Re: [Orgmode] [OT] Emacs for email?
On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 22:04 +0100, David Maus wrote: At Wed, 02 Dec 2009 08:43:51 -0500, Matt Price wrote: [1 multipart/signed (7bit)] [1.1 text/plain; UTF-8 (quoted-printable)] On Tue, 2009-12-01 at 20:57 -0300, Darlan Cavalcante Moreira wrote: I use wanderlust for email (including this list) and it works really well with imap. I was somewhat hard to configure, but now that everything is working I don't feel like going back to my previous e-mail client (evolution). darlan, would you be willing to share your config for wl? i can't seem to make any headway with it at all. i'm just looking for a light emacs-based mail reader/imap client on my aging laptop, which is mostly an emacs machine now. GNUS can see my mail, but it's just so heavy for what i'm looking for, and also doesn't seem to want to honor the imap conventions in terms of hiding deleted messages, which is sort of essential for me as things stand. Just pushed my Wanderlust configuration to github: http://github.com/dmj/dotfiles/blob/master/.wl A simple configuration: I use a local imap server to access my mails and gmail to send. What helped me to get in touch with Wanderlust after an unsuccessful attempt was this blog posting: http://emacs-fu.blogspot.com/2009/06/e-mail-with-wanderlust.html - describing a setup with a local maildir storage. thanks david, and also to eric, who sent me his. With both your help I have wanderlust up and running, though still with some confusions (how do I hide read or deleted messages? why won't wl actually send any mail? etc.). I'm sure i'll be able to clear those up soon, though. Anyway, thanks. matt Regards, -- David -- Matt Price matt.pr...@utoronto.ca signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] [OT] Emacs for email?
Sorry for the delay, but It took some time to organize the wanderlust configuration. I'm sending an org file with it as an attachment. - Darlan Cavalcante wlconfiguration.org Description: Binary data At Thu, 03 Dec 2009 11:53:14 -0500, Matt Price matt.pr...@utoronto.ca wrote: On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 22:04 +0100, David Maus wrote: At Wed, 02 Dec 2009 08:43:51 -0500, Matt Price wrote: [1 multipart/signed (7bit)] [1.1 text/plain; UTF-8 (quoted-printable)] On Tue, 2009-12-01 at 20:57 -0300, Darlan Cavalcante Moreira wrote: I use wanderlust for email (including this list) and it works really well with imap. I was somewhat hard to configure, but now that everything is working I don't feel like going back to my previous e-mail client (evolution). darlan, would you be willing to share your config for wl? i can't seem to make any headway with it at all. i'm just looking for a light emacs-based mail reader/imap client on my aging laptop, which is mostly an emacs machine now. GNUS can see my mail, but it's just so heavy for what i'm looking for, and also doesn't seem to want to honor the imap conventions in terms of hiding deleted messages, which is sort of essential for me as things stand. Just pushed my Wanderlust configuration to github: http://github.com/dmj/dotfiles/blob/master/.wl A simple configuration: I use a local imap server to access my mails and gmail to send. What helped me to get in touch with Wanderlust after an unsuccessful attempt was this blog posting: http://emacs-fu.blogspot.com/2009/06/e-mail-with-wanderlust.html - describing a setup with a local maildir storage. thanks david, and also to eric, who sent me his. With both your help I have wanderlust up and running, though still with some confusions (how do I hide read or deleted messages? why won't wl actually send any mail? etc.). I'm sure i'll be able to clear those up soon, though. Anyway, thanks. matt Regards, -- David -- Matt Price matt.pr...@utoronto.ca ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] [OT] Emacs for email?
At Tue, 1 Dec 2009 15:34:24 -0600, Keith Lancaster wrote: I apologize for the WAY off topic question, but since you folk are emacs expertsdo you use emacs for email, and if so, what do you use? Org-mode caused me to switch to emacs after programming for 30 years in other editors, and so like many emacs converts, I'm not wanting to exit the app :-). I use wanderlust. Works well. I have also used gnus in the past (but just couldn't get comfortable with its world view...). The only thing I would highlight is that, in my experience, emacs based MUAs are slow (say in comparison with mutt) and don't function well with mailboxes with, say, 5000 messages. I've moved to a 0 size mailbox approach to handling my email (which works well with org and, in fact, requires org to work at all really) so this is not an issue for me. HTH. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] [OT] Emacs for email?
Keith Lancaster wrote: I apologize for the WAY off topic question, but since you folk are emacs expertsdo you use emacs for email, and if so, what do you use? Org-mode caused me to switch to emacs after programming for 30 years in other editors, and so like many emacs converts, I'm not wanting to exit the app :-). I use wanderlust. It interacts with Org-mode pretty well. See back on topic :). I used to use VM, but at the time (a few years ago), the imap was a bit of an afterthought. Some people like mew, I think it is a bit simpler than wanderlust if you don't need the offline features of wanderlust. A very new contender is notmuch, but IMHO, it is not quite ready for general use. d ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] [OT] Emacs for email?
I've moved to a 0 size mailbox approach to handling my email (which works well with org and, in fact, requires org to work at all really) so this is not an issue for me. That sounds like an interesting approach. Could you elaborate on that? Yes, I also have problems with my huge longstanding mailboxes :( ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] [OT] Emacs for email?
On Tue, 2009-12-01 at 20:57 -0300, Darlan Cavalcante Moreira wrote: I use wanderlust for email (including this list) and it works really well with imap. I was somewhat hard to configure, but now that everything is working I don't feel like going back to my previous e-mail client (evolution). darlan, would you be willing to share your config for wl? i can't seem to make any headway with it at all. i'm just looking for a light emacs-based mail reader/imap client on my aging laptop, which is mostly an emacs machine now. GNUS can see my mail, but it's just so heavy for what i'm looking for, and also doesn't seem to want to honor the imap conventions in terms of hiding deleted messages, which is sort of essential for me as things stand. My main machine at home runs evolution, and for now, i'm not ready to to move away entirely -- I hate evolution, but i'm used to it, and don't want to break my work habits till i've figured something else out. Anyway thanks much in advance! matt - Darlan Cavalcante At Tue, 1 Dec 2009 15:34:24 -0600, Keith Lancaster klancaster1...@acm.org wrote: I apologize for the WAY off topic question, but since you folk are emacs expertsdo you use emacs for email, and if so, what do you use? Org-mode caused me to switch to emacs after programming for 30 years in other editors, and so like many emacs converts, I'm not wanting to exit the app :-). TIA, Keith Lancaster klancaster1...@acm.org ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode -- Matt Price matt.pr...@utoronto.ca signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] [OT] Emacs for email?
At Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:01:38 +0100, jema...@gnu.org wrote: I've moved to a 0 size mailbox approach to handling my email (which works well with org and, in fact, requires org to work at all really) so this is not an issue for me. That sounds like an interesting approach. Could you elaborate on that? Yes, I also have problems with my huge longstanding mailboxes :( google zero email approach and you'll get all kinds of blogs etc on this topic, including those that recommend the complete opposite approach (never delete email). For instance, here are two: http://interimvptoday.com/email-inbox-zero-versus-never-delete-email/ http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog/archives/009311.html These and the others you will find allude to this approach fitting in with the more general GTD view, which is why org-mode is critical (for me) to get this working. The summary is 5 actions when dealing with new email: * Delete: just get rid of it (or archive it) * Delegate: get someone else to deal with it * Respond: if it takes just a few minutes, do it right now * Defer: put it on a todo list, archive it, and deal with it later * Do: handle whatever the email actually needs you to do The aim is to not have to go back to your inbox to see what you have to deal with -- that's what org-mode (or whatever) is for. Too much time is wasted trawling through huge inboxes looking for actions to respond to which means you're using an inbox as a todo list. This is not effective. Others will of course argue otherwise! All I can say is that I switched to this approach about 9 months ago and I couldn't go back! The stress relief is incredible... ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] [OT] Emacs for email?
These and the others you will find allude to this approach fitting in with the more general GTD view, which is why org-mode is critical (for me) to get this working. I actually do something similar, but keeping the physical emails. I maintain (in wanderlust) an Inbox folder and a General folder to hold my emails. I process the Inbox in a GTD style. For each message: 1) If it is not interesting, delete. 2) If it is useful for reference, archive it in the ref system and move the email to General, without storing any link to it in my reference system. 3) If it is an email that I can answer quickly, do it and move the email to General. 4) If it is an email that I want to answer but that requires some previous investigation/action, I move the email to General and, using remember, create a new NEXT item in my todo.org. The NEXT item has an hyperlink pointing to the email in the General mbox. Now, I wonder if is it possible to implement the previous system without having to maintain the General mbox (that is huge). It is clear that I could simply remove the emails in 2) after archiving its contents in my reference system. But, what about the emails in 3) and 4)? How do you store an email that you will eventually answer if not in an mbox? ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] [OT] Emacs for email?
On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 12:01:38PM +0100, jema...@gnu.org wrote:
I've moved to a 0 size mailbox approach to handling my email
(which works well with org and, in fact, requires org to work at
all really) so this is not an issue for me.
That sounds like an interesting approach. Could you elaborate on
that? Yes, I also have problems with my huge longstanding mailboxes
:(
Since I use maildir its fairly easy to perform mass operations on
email.
I have a shell script which nightly moved messages that are over two
weeks old and aren't flagged to an archive folder, which keeps my
normal mailbox access quick. Typically less than 300 messages in any
incoming folder, and archives grow forever.
Incoming folder: ~/Mail/.Domain.com/Inbox/{cur,tmp,new}
Archive folder: ~/Mail/.Archive.Domain.com/Inbox/{cur,tmp,new}
# Any directory with an Archive subdir will be autoarchived.
# /home/rladams/Maildir/.Adamsinfoserv_com.Inbox is archived to
# /home/rladams/Maildir/.Archive.Adamsinfoserv_com.Inbox
echo ** $0 running at `date`
find /home/rladams/Maildir -type d -name .Archive.\* | \
while read MyArchive
do
SRC=`echo $MyArchive | sed 's/\.Archive//g'`
# If file is older than 14 days, and isn't flagged, move it.
[ -d ${SRC}/cur ] {
echo ** Archiving $SRC to $MyArchive.
find ${SRC}/cur -type f -mtime +14 ! -name '*,*F*' | \
grep '^/home/rladams/Maildir' | \
while read X
do
echo mv $X ${MyArchive}/cur
mv $X ${MyArchive}/cur
done
}
done
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Re: [Orgmode] [OT] Emacs for email?
Eric S Fraga ucec...@ucl.ac.uk writes: http://interimvptoday.com/email-inbox-zero-versus-never-delete-email/ http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog/archives/009311.html These and the others you will find allude to this approach fitting in with the more general GTD view, which is why org-mode is critical (for me) to get this working. The summary is 5 actions when dealing with new email: * Delete: just get rid of it (or archive it) * Delegate: get someone else to deal with it * Respond: if it takes just a few minutes, do it right now * Defer: put it on a todo list, archive it, and deal with it later * Do: handle whatever the email actually needs you to do FWIW I've been using gnus for ~1year (moved from VM) and I find that the gnus ticks are perfect for this sort of workflow -- if I tick an article is persists and I know I need to respond at some point, if I don't tick an article is disappears -- hidden but still in my inbox until it is automatically archived after a month or so. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] [OT] Emacs for email?
At Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:31:05 +0100, jema...@gnu.org wrote: These and the others you will find allude to this approach fitting in with the more general GTD view, which is why org-mode is critical (for me) to get this working. I actually do something similar, but keeping the physical emails. I maintain (in wanderlust) an Inbox folder and a General folder to hold my emails. I process the Inbox in a GTD style. For each message: 1) If it is not interesting, delete. 2) If it is useful for reference, archive it in the ref system and move the email to General, without storing any link to it in my reference system. 3) If it is an email that I can answer quickly, do it and move the email to General. 4) If it is an email that I want to answer but that requires some previous investigation/action, I move the email to General and, using remember, create a new NEXT item in my todo.org. The NEXT item has an hyperlink pointing to the email in the General mbox. Now, I wonder if is it possible to implement the previous system without having to maintain the General mbox (that is huge). It is clear that I could simply remove the emails in 2) after archiving its contents in my reference system. But, what about the emails in 3) and 4)? How do you store an email that you will eventually answer if not in an mbox? I just started to stop maintaining my inbox at all appr. 3 weeks ago and up to now it's working fine. I am currently not getting that much email so I can't tell if it will work out but I seems to be a interesting way to go. So, what I do is this: - I do not use the regular orgmode link to wanderlust messages, because up to now the folder a message is in (or is refiled to) is part of the link; what means that if I move the message somewhere else I know for certain that the link in orgmode is broken. I want to store a link to a message regardless where the message resides, so I use a Namazu search folder (Manual 3.9). That is: I index my messages regularly (once per hour is enough for me) with Namazu (www.namazu.org) and use a special remember template for messages with a hand-crafted link to the search folder: , | [[wl:%5B%:message-id%5D~/.elmo/namazu#%:message-id][%:message-id]] ` Opening these links with Orgmode works fine: It fires up Wanderlust and opens the message with the particular message id. The only thing that bugs me is that I have to hand craft the search-folder-links manually and hence need a special remember template for messages. Luckily Orgmode is free software so I started to work on a patch that expands Orgmode's capabilities on storing links to wanderlust messages, including Namazu search folders[1]. - all new messages go in the inbox - I do not access the inbox directly but use a Filter Folder (Manual 3.11) that shows unread messages and messages flagged as important ($) .folders , | /flag:digest/%INBOX Inbox (Digest) ` - If new messages are in the inbox they are show in this folder; I read every message: - if the message is useful for reference, I use a remember template that stores a special hand-crafted link mentioned above - if the message requires an answer, I mark it important und file a remember template that references this message with the hand-crafted link - if I am not certain whether I should answer the message or not it is marked important; so they stay in sight. - in all other cases reading the message moves it out of the filter folder next time I open it - I archived received and sent messages of the previous year in january but playing with Wanderlust's build-in archive functions (Manual, Chp. 9: Automatic Expiration and Archiving of Messages) is on my list To sum it up: I solved the problem of Zero Inbox not by moving and/or deleting mails but by using Wanderlust's capabilities of showing messages based on different criterions. So maybe the question is not where to /store/ messages but how to access them. Regards, -- David PS: Hum. While writing this I notice that marking messages as important and filing a todo-item is redundant. So mark important should go for messages I am not certain about whether I should reply or not. [1] There will be a proposal soon. -- OpenPGP... 0x316F4BE4670716FD Jabber dmj...@jabber.org Email. maus.da...@gmail.com ICQ... 241051416 ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] [OT] Emacs for email?
At Wed, 02 Dec 2009 08:43:51 -0500, Matt Price wrote: [1 multipart/signed (7bit)] [1.1 text/plain; UTF-8 (quoted-printable)] On Tue, 2009-12-01 at 20:57 -0300, Darlan Cavalcante Moreira wrote: I use wanderlust for email (including this list) and it works really well with imap. I was somewhat hard to configure, but now that everything is working I don't feel like going back to my previous e-mail client (evolution). darlan, would you be willing to share your config for wl? i can't seem to make any headway with it at all. i'm just looking for a light emacs-based mail reader/imap client on my aging laptop, which is mostly an emacs machine now. GNUS can see my mail, but it's just so heavy for what i'm looking for, and also doesn't seem to want to honor the imap conventions in terms of hiding deleted messages, which is sort of essential for me as things stand. Just pushed my Wanderlust configuration to github: http://github.com/dmj/dotfiles/blob/master/.wl A simple configuration: I use a local imap server to access my mails and gmail to send. What helped me to get in touch with Wanderlust after an unsuccessful attempt was this blog posting: http://emacs-fu.blogspot.com/2009/06/e-mail-with-wanderlust.html - describing a setup with a local maildir storage. Regards, -- David -- OpenPGP... 0x316F4BE4670716FD Jabber dmj...@jabber.org Email. maus.da...@gmail.com ICQ... 241051416 ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] [OT] Emacs for email?
On Tue, Dec 01, 2009 at 08:56:08PM -0600, Russell Adams wrote: - Mutt automatically changes my email address depending on the recipient or folder according to a series of roles Not to reply to myself, but one item I've found lacking in other mailreaders and one of my primary reasons for using mutt is the concept of roles. Do any of the emacs readers support that effectively from someones direct experience? -- Russell Adamsrlad...@adamsinfoserv.com PGP Key ID: 0x1160DCB3 http://www.adamsinfoserv.com/ Fingerprint:1723 D8CA 4280 1EC9 557F 66E8 1154 E018 1160 DCB3 ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] [OT] Emacs for email?
I apologize for the WAY off topic question, but since you folk are emacs expertsdo you use emacs for email, and if so, what do you use? Org-mode caused me to switch to emacs after programming for 30 years in other editors, and so like many emacs converts, I'm not wanting to exit the app :-). TIA, Keith Lancaster klancaster1...@acm.org ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] [OT] Emacs for email?
Keith Lancaster klancaster1...@acm.org wrote: I apologize for the WAY off topic question, but since you folk are emacs = expertsdo you use emacs for email, and if so, what do you use? = Org-mode caused me to switch to emacs after programming for 30 years in = other editors, and so like many emacs converts, I'm not wanting to exit = the app :-). I've used MH for more than 20 years and I have never been tempted by anything else (I tried gnus/mutt/thunderbird and I still use them on defective (i.e. non-mh capable :-)) machines - but I will stop using MH only when they pry it from my cold, dead fingers). Of course, I use mh-e as the emacs interface, but it's handy to have the underlying MH programs available. I use fetchmail to download my mail from a couple of different pop/imap servers I use and store it locally on my laptop (where I also use mairix to index it). So MH only has to read the local store. It can also do pop with the appropriate incantation but it is fundamentally inconsistent with imap (imap insists on storing mail on the server, whereas MH wants it local). But I like the separation of concerns: fetchmail runs around like crazy and downloads the mail from all the servers out there, using all sorts of protocols; MH has only to worry about the local setup. This is just my 2 cents and it's not worth much more than that either: email is a very personal choice and finger memory is probably the most important advantage of my solution, so it may be worse than useless for you. HTH, Nick ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] [OT] Emacs for email?
I use wanderlust for email (including this list) and it works really well with imap. I was somewhat hard to configure, but now that everything is working I don't feel like going back to my previous e-mail client (evolution). - Darlan Cavalcante At Tue, 1 Dec 2009 15:34:24 -0600, Keith Lancaster klancaster1...@acm.org wrote: I apologize for the WAY off topic question, but since you folk are emacs expertsdo you use emacs for email, and if so, what do you use? Org-mode caused me to switch to emacs after programming for 30 years in other editors, and so like many emacs converts, I'm not wanting to exit the app :-). TIA, Keith Lancaster klancaster1...@acm.org ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] [OT] Emacs for email?
I ended up choosing Gnus. It is way to complex for me, but it is included in the standard Gnu Emacs distribution. To add packets to Gnu Emacs is much more complicated than it should be. For example, I would like to read html email in Gnus using w3m, but it seems that the latest version of emacs-w3m does not work with Emacs 23. I am very happy that orgmode is included in Gnu Emacs and that it is fairly easy to update. I am still learning Gnus, and I am starting to like it. Henri-Paul -- Henri-Paul Indiogine Texas AM University http://www.coe.tamu.edu/~enrico ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] [OT] Emacs for email?
Keith Lancaster klancaster1...@acm.org writes: I apologize for the WAY off topic question, but since you folk are emacs expertsdo you use emacs for email, and if so, what do you use? Org-mode caused me to switch to emacs after programming for 30 years in other editors, and so like many emacs converts, I'm not wanting to exit the app :-). Also gnus. It's very nice once it's working and it's fine to get it set up if you're good at that sort of thing or have a few spare weeks. The manual is extremely comprehensive and pretty funny but basically horrifying. The summary buffer containing news/emails will look awful to start off with but it is possible to make it look nice (e.g. the wikipedia screenshot) by configuring gnus-summary-line-format and (if not in a terminal) by using non-ascii arrow characters to represent threads e.g. (setq gnus-sum-thread-tree-vertical│) (setq gnus-sum-thread-tree-leaf-with-other ├─► ) (setq gnus-sum-thread-tree-single-leaf ╰─► )) Dan TIA, Keith Lancaster klancaster1...@acm.org ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] [OT] Emacs for email?
On Tue, Dec 01, 2009 at 09:15:27PM -0500, Dan Davison wrote: Keith Lancaster klancaster1...@acm.org writes: I apologize for the WAY off topic question, but since you folk are emacs expertsdo you use emacs for email, and if so, what do you use? Org-mode caused me to switch to emacs after programming for 30 years in other editors, and so like many emacs converts, I'm not wanting to exit the app :-). Also gnus. It's very nice once it's working and it's fine to get it set up if you're good at that sort of thing or have a few spare weeks. The manual is extremely comprehensive and pretty funny but basically horrifying. The summary buffer containing news/emails will look awful to start off with but it is possible to make it look nice (e.g. the wikipedia screenshot) by configuring gnus-summary-line-format and (if not in a terminal) by using non-ascii arrow characters to represent threads e.g. (setq gnus-sum-thread-tree-vertical???) (setq gnus-sum-thread-tree-leaf-with-other ? ) (setq gnus-sum-thread-tree-single-leaf ? )) Dan I'm suppose I'm still an exception here. I'm using Mutt, though I edit outbound messages in emacs. My email toolchain goes like this: - fetchmail downloads from several different servers - procmail sorts email into the proper inbox or other folder - I use maildir for backend storage, I gave up on mbox a long time ago - Mutt reads the email in all the various folders - Mutt automatically changes my email address depending on the recipient or folder according to a series of roles - Mutt spawns an emacsclient in order to edit an outgoing message - msmtp uses the from header to determine which mail server to use for outbound SMTP Gnus, MH, Wanderlust, etc would only replace the Mutt portion, which is really only reading the email and the roles support. As a sidenote I have dovecot setup so that my maildir folders are accessible to Thunderbird in Windows should I choose to access it inside VMWare. I'm open to using Emacs constantly, so whats the big draw for these other mail modes? -- Russell Adamsrlad...@adamsinfoserv.com PGP Key ID: 0x1160DCB3 http://www.adamsinfoserv.com/ Fingerprint:1723 D8CA 4280 1EC9 557F 66E8 1154 E018 1160 DCB3 ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] [OT] Emacs for email?
I have used vm for a very long time (after using rmail for an even longer time), and am reasonably happy with it: it manages mime and attachments pretty well, specially in combination with w3m, handles imap/pop well (although I use fetchmail), it is very fast in use, and its virtual folder capabilities are extremely useful. It also has a mairix interface. Hey, if we also had a good browser I would never exit emacs... ;-) (*) I have also tried gnus but I find it a bit too hard to configure and overall too complicated for the task. Having said the above, I think an emacs mail reader based on modern search and tags would be *fantastic*. Notmuch looks very interesting! (Although I have not had time yet to test it thoroughly.) Manuel (*) I use conkeror as external browser, which is the closest thing to staying inside emacs. I also use w3m for quick stuff (e.g., within vm), but it falls short on certain things. -- --- Manuel Hermenegildo | Prof., C.S.Dept., T.U. Madrid (UPM) Director, IMDEA Software and CLIP Group | +34-91-336-7435 (W) -352-4819 (Fax) --- ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
