[Orgmode] Re: Org mode and emacs email
Robert Goldman wrote: Is this really true? In my days of using VM --- I eventually gave it up for Thunderbird --- VM never had true IMAP support that could interact with folders on the server. All it did was use the IMAP protocol to populate its local mail directory. This isn't really full IMAP support, and it's not really adequate if you want to get at your email from multiple different devices (hence my move to Thunderbird). Has this changed? I used VM for a long time, and wouldn't mind going back to it, if it could really talk to an IMAP server properly. I don't see how the architecture could be fixed to make that possible, though. Dear Robert, the VM's vm-imap.el file lists a certain Robert P. Goldman as a contributor in 2006. Is that you? I am not sure what problems you think there are in the architecture of VM, but I started working on the IMAP support in 2008 and have been adding to it off and on since then. The current public release (VM 8.1.0) caches an IMAP folder locally and sync's it with the server whenever you do 'save'. I have been using this functionality since 2008 without any problems. Some people say that they have very large IMAP folder and can't download them all into local caches. The current development version (future VM 8.2.0) has an experimental implementation of a headers-only mode, whereby you can download just the headers. Message bodies are retrieved as and when you view the messages. This is essentially how Thunderbird works, or Gnus for that matter. I would welcome you to give it a try and let me know if you face any problems. Cheers, Uday ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Org mode and emacs email
On 31 Mar 2010, at 21:09, Gary wrote: On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 08:53:17PM +0100, Leo wrote: although many people have been saying it is intimidating, it is not. Oh yes it is :) I kind of agree. This brings up another question, related to the recent discussion about making a 'ready to fly' emacs/org-mode package, suitable for the non-emacs-sapiens that are attracted by org-mode. I can imagine those people would like to send their carefully crafted org buffers by email. Do you expect them to set up gnus/vm/wanderlust/... ? I guess not. So, wouldn't it be good if org could send those nicely formatted emails using their mail clients? 'M-x org-send-email' and woosh, there it goes! Org prepares the body, then tells the mail app to prepare an mail with it. On the mac with Mail.app that's fairly easy to do with Applescript, and I guess other mac clients provide similar access. On Windows or *nix I don't know, but I can only assume similar functionality exists. Maybe we needs some hooks in some places to encode images and such, and a way to deal with the communication with the mail client, ... Wooosh, it would be nice. Cheers, Peter. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Org mode and emacs email
Hi Peter, peter.fri...@agfa.com writes: So, wouldn't it be good if org could send those nicely formatted emails using their mail clients? 'M-x org-send-email' and woosh, there it goes! I agree this would be nice, however my initial reaction is that this will be the sort of project which has to be rewritten/tweaked for each individual personal system configuration. That said, since mml is distributed as part of Emacs, then the entire mime encoding process could end up being relatively easy, the only question is how to convince guified email clients to send pre-packaged mime email. I suspect this will be difficult for most email applications, and impossible for web email clients (e.g. Gmail). Also, if user's can send fancy email from civilian email clients why would they switch to real Emacs based email clients. :) Org prepares the body, then tells the mail app to prepare an mail with it. On the mac with Mail.app that's fairly easy to do with Applescript, and I guess other mac clients provide similar access. On Windows or *nix I don't know, but I can only assume similar functionality exists. That's great that this would be easy with Mail.app. My uneducated guess is that it will also be fairly easy with *nix clients like Thunderbird, near impossible with MS Outlook, and fully impossible with web clients. Hopefully I'm wrong on this, and I'd be happy to work on the org export and mime-encoding portions of this task. Cheers -- Eric ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Org mode and emacs email
Eric Schulte schulte.e...@gmail.com writes: peter.fri...@agfa.com writes: Org prepares the body, then tells the mail app to prepare an mail with it. [...] On Windows or *nix I don't know, but I can only assume similar functionality exists. My uneducated guess is that it will [...] near impossible with MS Outlook My workflow for Outlook Express (6.00.29) + (Windows XP SP 3) is: + open a html formatted message in outlook express (oe) + switch to Emacs and + export my email text (mainly quotations, with tables!) in a html file, + view it in Firefox, + select with the mouse + cut paste in the oe message cheers, Giovanni ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Org mode and emacs email
Giovanni Ridolfi giovanni.rido...@yahoo.it writes: Eric Schulte schulte.e...@gmail.com writes: peter.fri...@agfa.com writes: Org prepares the body, then tells the mail app to prepare an mail with it. [...] On Windows or *nix I don't know, but I can only assume similar functionality exists. Just a suggestion from an almost beginner: All Gnu Emacs distributions include both org-mode and gnus by default. Maybe we could provide and .emacs file with code for org-mode and gnus for IMAP and POP3 commented out in sections. Then we could explain that in case you need A and B you un-comment these sections and fill in the appropriate data and so on. Or if you need A and C then you un-comment It still would require some basic editing of a text file, but since someone has already decided to use a text editor that should not be a major impediment. I know it would have helped me immensely when I started out. -- Henri-Paul Indiogine Email: hindiog...@gmail.com Skype: hindiogine Website: http://www.coe.tamu.edu/~enrico ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Org mode and emacs email
I too am a non-programmer-type who loves emacs/org-mode. I second this approach. I don't think it will ever be possible -- nor desirable -- to create a pure out-of-the-box setup as in window's programs -- but this approach would work well for those of us able to tinker and learn a little but not quick enough to build from scratch. A good initial setup(s) and a good manual entry should suffice. d. On Thu, 01 Apr 2010, Henri-Paul Indiogine wrote: Giovanni Ridolfi giovanni.rido...@yahoo.it writes: Eric Schulte schulte.e...@gmail.com writes: peter.fri...@agfa.com writes: Org prepares the body, then tells the mail app to prepare an mail with it. [...] On Windows or *nix I don't know, but I can only assume similar functionality exists. Just a suggestion from an almost beginner: All Gnu Emacs distributions include both org-mode and gnus by default. Maybe we could provide and .emacs file with code for org-mode and gnus for IMAP and POP3 commented out in sections. Then we could explain that in case you need A and B you un-comment these sections and fill in the appropriate data and so on. Or if you need A and C then you un-comment It still would require some basic editing of a text file, but since someone has already decided to use a text editor that should not be a major impediment. I know it would have helped me immensely when I started out. -- Daniel Goldin 213.926.1960 ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: Org mode and emacs email
Manuel Hermenegildo herme at fi.upm.es writes: I have to say in VM's defense that it is working very well for me (and has supported IMAP for a very long time) Is this really true? In my days of using VM --- I eventually gave it up for Thunderbird --- VM never had true IMAP support that could interact with folders on the server. All it did was use the IMAP protocol to populate its local mail directory. This isn't really full IMAP support, and it's not really adequate if you want to get at your email from multiple different devices (hence my move to Thunderbird). Has this changed? I used VM for a long time, and wouldn't mind going back to it, if it could really talk to an IMAP server properly. I don't see how the architecture could be fixed to make that possible, though. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Org mode and emacs email
Robert Goldman rpgold...@sift.info wrote: Manuel Hermenegildo herme at fi.upm.es writes: I have to say in VM's defense that it is working very well for me (and has supported IMAP for a very long time) Is this really true? In my days of using VM --- I eventually gave it up for Thunderbird --- VM never had true IMAP support that could interact with folders on the server. All it did was use the IMAP protocol to populate its local mail directory. This isn't really full IMAP support, and it's not really adequate if you want to get at your email from multiple different devices (hence my move to Thunderbird). Has this changed? I used VM for a long time, and wouldn't mind going back to it, if it could really talk to an IMAP server properly. I don't see how the architecture could be fixed to make that possible, though. From the VM manual: , | IMAP Folders | | VM's traditional mode of operation is to treat all remote mail sources | as spool files, pulling all mail down from remote sources into local | folders and deleting the remote copies. But sometimes it is more | convenient to treat a remote mail source as a folder instead of a spool | file, manipulating the remote source as if it were a folder instead of | just a holding area for incoming messages. | | The command vm-visit-imap-folder allows you to visit a IMAP mailbox as | if it were a folder. When you visit a IMAP folder, VM will download | copies of the messages that it finds there for you to read. If you | delete and expunge messages in the local copy of the folder, the | corresponding messages on the IMAP server will be removed when you save | the changes with vm-save-folder. | | Message attributes (new, replied, filed, etc.) are stored on the IMAP | server and are also cached locally. Labels cannot be stored on the IMAP | server but you can use them lcoally. | | In order for VM to know about IMAP servers that you can access, you must | declare them by setting the variable vm-imap-server-list. The variable's | value should be a list of the form: | | (IMAPDROP IMAPDROP ...) | | IMAPDROP is a IMAP maildrop specification in the same format used by | vm-spool-files. | | For example: | | (setq vm-imap-server-list '( | imap-ssl:mail.foocorp.com:993:inbox:login:becky:* | imap:crickle.lex.ky.us:143:inbox:login:becky:* ) ) | | The mailbox (`inbox' in the example) is ignored; when when | vm-visit-imap-folder asks for a folder name you can enter any folder | that is acessible to you on the IMAP server. ` HTH, Nick ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Org mode and emacs email
Robert Goldman rpgold...@sift.info wrote: Thanks for the news. I'm looking forward to having a new look at VM, if it works well with IMAP now. Unfortunately, at least the documentation on the emacs wiki for how to use IMAP is badly ambiguous. There's a paragraph on the distinction between the use of local folders and server folders, but no discussion of how to get the server folder behavior, and there's no discussion of how to configure to use server folders, although there's very detailed discussion of how to configure given that one is using remote folders Robert, I got the snippet out of the VM manual at http://www.wonderworks.com/vm/user-manual Maybe that is more detailed/less ambiguous than the emacs wiki? Nick PS. BTW, I'm an MH-E user, so I know very little about VM. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Org mode and emacs email
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 08:53:17PM +0100, Leo wrote: although many people have been saying it is intimidating, it is not. Oh yes it is :) I fondly[1] remember spending *ages* trying to find out how to set the citation line (you don't, you setq message-citation-line-function 'my-message-insert-citation-line instead). [1] That may not be entirely true... Anyway, isn't this all rather OT for this list? There is a *very* good gnus list over there - ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: Org mode and emacs email
Simon Brown simon at cliffestones.demon.co.uk writes: Hi all, I currently use mutt as my email client but I'm looking for greater emacs integration and better html support. Org mode supports at least gnus, vm and wanderlust. Can anybody advise on the relative pros and cons? My main restriction is that I don't want to break my mutt setup, so the client must be able to work with my current collection of mbox files. I also have 3 IMAP accounts. Using emacs 23 and current org-mode. Simon Wanderlust seems best at IMAP -- I would go there first, but if you've tolerated mutt's IMAP support this long, maybe you don't need good IMAP support. VM has nice integration with w3m for HTML. IMHO don't start on gnus if you've never used it. Then there's MEW, which is also a good one. They all work with mbox-style mail files. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Org mode and emacs email
* Scott Brim (s...@employees.org) wrote: Wanderlust seems best at IMAP -- I would go there first, but if you've tolerated mutt's IMAP support this long, maybe you don't need good IMAP support. VM has nice integration with w3m for HTML. IMHO don't start on gnus if you've never used it. Then there's MEW, which is also a good one. They all work with mbox-style mail files. I'm trying Wanderlust, but I've started to wonder if it's worth the effort. I've moved from mbox to Maildirs but wanderlust doesn't seem to be able to recognise the subdirectories. I don't want to be changing config everytime I change a list subscription. I also have yet to get it to successfully autheniticate with any imap server. I've got nowhere near trying the org integration. I might try installing vm 8.1 but at the moment I've already squandered far too much time on this. Thanks Simon -- Simon Brown ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: Org mode and emacs email
Simon Brown si...@cliffestones.demon.co.uk writes: * Richard Riley (rileyrg...@gmail.com) wrote: This is pretty fanboi of me but its really simple : use Gnus. It can do imap fine (you can always move to using a local dovecot server and use offlineimap to sync if performance is a problem). I've had a quick look at the gnus manual and it seems to depend upon importing your mail which rules it out for me. I'm not prepared to start collecting mail in a mail reader specific way. Most of my mail is collected by fetchmail, the IMAP accounts are quite low traffic. Simon I'm not sure I understand. Just point it at your mbox. Nothing to import. Nothing at all is mail reader specific with regard to your actual email as far as I know. Or did I misunderstand when you mentioned importing email? Even if you use fetchmail (I do too), you can fetchmail into maildir (for example) and have something like dovecot serve it via IMAP. This can be really handy for remote access. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Org mode and emacs email
At this point it feels somewhat more like voting rather than a discussion, but I feel compelled to say... +1 for gnus! Gnus has far and away the biggest user base, the best support, and is the most actively developed (as far as I can tell VM -- which I used for a couple of years-- is a dead project). Gnus is distributed with Emacs and all of it's mime and message handling libraries are distributed with Emacs. The config can be daunting if you don't have any help, however there are many friendly people on this list who I'm sure would be happy to share their gnus imap config (please feel free to contact me off list), and once you have the basics working it's really a joy to use. Just my personal subjective biased opinion :) -- Eric Simon Brown si...@cliffestones.demon.co.uk writes: * Scott Brim (s...@employees.org) wrote: Wanderlust seems best at IMAP -- I would go there first, but if you've tolerated mutt's IMAP support this long, maybe you don't need good IMAP support. VM has nice integration with w3m for HTML. IMHO don't start on gnus if you've never used it. Then there's MEW, which is also a good one. They all work with mbox-style mail files. I'm trying Wanderlust, but I've started to wonder if it's worth the effort. I've moved from mbox to Maildirs but wanderlust doesn't seem to be able to recognise the subdirectories. I don't want to be changing config everytime I change a list subscription. I also have yet to get it to successfully autheniticate with any imap server. I've got nowhere near trying the org integration. I might try installing vm 8.1 but at the moment I've already squandered far too much time on this. Thanks Simon ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: Org mode and emacs email
Simon Brown si...@cliffestones.demon.co.uk writes: * Scott Brim (s...@employees.org) wrote: Wanderlust seems best at IMAP -- I would go there first, but if you've tolerated mutt's IMAP support this long, maybe you don't need good IMAP support. VM has nice integration with w3m for HTML. IMHO don't start on gnus if you've never used it. Then there's MEW, which is also a good one. They all work with mbox-style mail files. I'm trying Wanderlust, but I've started to wonder if it's worth the effort. I've moved from mbox to Maildirs but wanderlust doesn't seem to be able to recognise the subdirectories. I don't want to be Maybe its like dovecot - the . prefix on the mailboxes. changing config everytime I change a list subscription. I also have What do you mean by that? Why would you need to reconfigure each and every time? yet to get it to successfully autheniticate with any imap server. I've got nowhere near trying the org integration. I might try installing vm 8.1 but at the moment I've already squandered far too much time on this. If you decided to move to maildir I'm wondering why you then decided to use Wanderlust. Do you have your own IMAP server serving up from a maildir? Thanks Simon Gnus has excellent maildir support ... ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Org mode and emacs email
I have to say in VM's defense that it is working very well for me (and has supported IMAP for a very long time) and there are indeed people working actively it. The old 7.19 version has indeed been frozen for a long time, but I am using the latest versions out of the repo on Launchpad and Savannah, https://launchpad.net/vm https://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/viewmail/ with emacs 23. While it is clear that it does not have a huge team behind it, as you can see there Uday S. Reddy and Ulrich Mueller are quite active maintainers (there were 28 commits in March, for example). VM provides all the functionality I need (including very good MIME and html support, interacting very well with w3w) with an interface that is very natural to emacs users (similar to rmail) and which avoids the complications of gnus. There is a good interface to maildir for example, and also to org mode. The virtual folder mechanism is really very good. The only missing thing for me is direct support for maildir but the VM maintainers are currently working on it. Manuel -- --- Manuel Hermenegildo | Prof., C.S.Dept., T.U. Madrid (UPM) Director, IMDEA Software and CLIP Group | +34-91-336-7435 (W) -352-4819 (Fax) --- ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Org mode and emacs email
Eric Schulte schulte.e...@gmail.com writes:
At this point it feels somewhat more like voting rather than a
discussion, but I feel compelled to say...
+1 for gnus!
Hi Simon,
I use gnus, and received help from people on the list. Here's a small
contribution if you do get going with it:
The listing of emails in the summary buffer will look *terrible* with
the default settings. But you can make it look really nice using unicode
characters for arrows etc. (Example settings below, screenshot at
http://www.princeton.edu/~ddavison/gnus.png)
(Plus, if you use gnus you don't have to see these ridiculous
Kindergarten-style dotted lines and scissors that people put in
emails :) )
Dan
--8---cut here---start-8---
;;
http://groups.google.com/group/gnu.emacs.gnus/browse_thread/thread/a673a74356e7141f
(when window-system
(setq gnus-sum-thread-tree-indent )
(setq gnus-sum-thread-tree-root ) ;; ● )
(setq gnus-sum-thread-tree-false-root ) ;; ◯ )
(setq gnus-sum-thread-tree-single-indent ) ;; ◎ )
(setq gnus-sum-thread-tree-vertical│)
(setq gnus-sum-thread-tree-leaf-with-other ├─► )
(setq gnus-sum-thread-tree-single-leaf ╰─► ))
(setq gnus-summary-line-format
(concat
%0{%U%R%z%}
%3{│%} %1{%d%} %3{│%} ;; date
%4{%-20,20f%} ;; name
%3{│%}
%1{%B%}
%s\n))
(setq gnus-summary-display-arrow t)
--8---cut here---end---8---
Gnus has far and away the biggest user base, the best support, and is
the most actively developed (as far as I can tell VM -- which I used for
a couple of years-- is a dead project). Gnus is distributed with Emacs
and all of it's mime and message handling libraries are distributed with
Emacs.
The config can be daunting if you don't have any help, however there are
many friendly people on this list who I'm sure would be happy to share
their gnus imap config (please feel free to contact me off list), and
once you have the basics working it's really a joy to use.
Just my personal subjective biased opinion :) -- Eric
Simon Brown si...@cliffestones.demon.co.uk writes:
* Scott Brim (s...@employees.org) wrote:
Wanderlust seems best at IMAP -- I would go there first, but if you've
tolerated
mutt's IMAP support this long, maybe you don't need good IMAP support. VM
has nice integration with w3m for HTML. IMHO don't start on gnus if you've
never used it. Then there's MEW, which is also a good one. They all work
with
mbox-style mail files.
I'm trying Wanderlust, but I've started to wonder if it's worth the
effort. I've moved from mbox to Maildirs but wanderlust doesn't seem
to be able to recognise the subdirectories. I don't want to be
changing config everytime I change a list subscription. I also have
yet to get it to successfully autheniticate with any imap server.
I've got nowhere near trying the org integration. I might try
installing vm 8.1 but at the moment I've already squandered far too
much time on this.
Thanks
Simon
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Re: [Orgmode] Re: Org mode and emacs email
Dan Davison davi...@stats.ox.ac.uk writes: http://www.princeton.edu/~ddavison/gnus.png) Thanks for the .gnus code. Actually, I do not use .gnus and place all in .emacs but I do not think that matters. I run Ubuntu Karmic + Gnu Emacs 23. Both updated Anyway, now my summary buffer looks very much like the image that you placed on-line. However I have some differences: 1. I do not have the arrows. Does that have to do with some unicode settings that I may have to change? 2. This is my old gnus-summary-line-format: '(gnus-summary-line-format %U%R%z%user-date;%(%[: %-23,23f%]%) %s) I liked the user-date because it would display the time of today's emails that dates for older ones. 3. There are also color differences: I do not have the dates colored blue as you have. My subject lines are colored green, red, white and blue according to the marks that they have. I find that useful and would like to keep those colors. Thanks, -- Henri-Paul Indiogine Email: hindiog...@gmail.com Skype: hindiogine Website: http://www.coe.tamu.edu/~enrico ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Org mode and emacs email
Henri-Paul Indiogine hindiog...@gmail.com writes:
Dan Davison davi...@stats.ox.ac.uk writes:
http://www.princeton.edu/~ddavison/gnus.png)
Thanks for the .gnus code. Actually, I do not use .gnus and place all
in .emacs but I do not think that matters.
I run Ubuntu Karmic + Gnu Emacs 23. Both updated
Anyway, now my summary buffer looks very much like the image that you placed
on-line. However I have some differences:
1. I do not have the arrows. Does that have to do with some unicode
settings that I may have to change?
Ah, sorry, I think I should have included the following two variable
settings:
(setq gnus-thread-sort-functions
'(gnus-thread-sort-by-number
gnus-thread-sort-by-most-recent-date))
(setq gnus-summary-thread-gathering-function
'gnus-gather-threads-by-references)
Does that do it?
[...]
3. There are also color differences: I do not have the dates colored
blue as you have. My subject lines are colored green, red, white and
blue according to the marks that they have. I find that useful and
would like to keep those colors.
These settings don't alter the faces, just the text. The colours in my
image are whatever color-theme-charcoal-black gave me (in the
color-themes package.)
Dan
So the full settings, including the ones I originally posted are:
--8---cut here---start-8---
(setq gnus-thread-sort-functions
'(gnus-thread-sort-by-number
gnus-thread-sort-by-most-recent-date))
(setq gnus-summary-thread-gathering-function
'gnus-gather-threads-by-references)
(setq gnus-summary-line-format
(concat
%0{%U%R%z%}
%3{│%} %1{%d%} %3{│%} ;; date
%4{%-20,20f%} ;; name
%3{│%}
%1{%B%}
%s\n))
(setq gnus-summary-display-arrow t)
;;
http://groups.google.com/group/gnu.emacs.gnus/browse_thread/thread/a673a74356e7141f
(when window-system
(setq gnus-sum-thread-tree-indent )
(setq gnus-sum-thread-tree-root ) ;; ● )
(setq gnus-sum-thread-tree-false-root ) ;; ◯ )
(setq gnus-sum-thread-tree-single-indent ) ;; ◎ )
(setq gnus-sum-thread-tree-vertical│)
(setq gnus-sum-thread-tree-leaf-with-other ├─► )
(setq gnus-sum-thread-tree-single-leaf ╰─► ))
--8---cut here---end---8---
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[Orgmode] Re: Org mode and emacs email
On 2010-03-30 18:34 +0100, Manuel Hermenegildo wrote: I have to say in VM's defense that it is working very well for me (and has supported IMAP for a very long time) and there are indeed people working actively it. The old 7.19 version has indeed been frozen for a long time, but I am using the latest versions out of the repo on Launchpad and Savannah, https://launchpad.net/vm https://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/viewmail/ with emacs 23. While it is clear that it does not have a huge team behind it, as you can see there Uday S. Reddy and Ulrich Mueller are quite active maintainers (there were 28 commits in March, for example). VM provides all the functionality I need (including very good MIME and html support, interacting very well with w3w) with an interface that is very natural to emacs users (similar to rmail) and which avoids the complications of gnus. There is a good interface to maildir for example, and also to org mode. The virtual folder mechanism is really very good. The only missing thing for me is direct support for maildir but the VM maintainers are currently working on it. Manuel Now that message mode has become the default mailer in Emacs 23.2+ unless people are already using a mua that they like, it is highly advisable to use Gnus, which although many people have been saying it is intimidating, it is not. It is intimidating only because it is like org, it can do so many things related to email/news but you don't need to do them all at the beginning. Give it a news server such as news.gmane.org then you can start using it on browsing mailing lists of projects of your interest including this one. Leo -- H A P P Y H O L I D A Y S! ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Org mode and emacs email
Hi, wow, that looks really great, thanks :-)! Do you know by chance if it's possible to link sent mails in threads? I'm using Gmail and all my sent mail is in a folder called INBOX and it would be really great if I could see my own messages in the threads. Geralt. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: Org mode and emacs email
Simon Brown si...@cliffestones.demon.co.uk writes: Hi all, I currently use mutt as my email client but I'm looking for greater emacs integration and better html support. Org mode supports at least gnus, vm and wanderlust. Can anybody advise on the relative pros and cons? My main restriction is that I don't want to break my mutt setup, so the client must be able to work with my current collection of mbox files. I also have 3 IMAP accounts. Using emacs 23 and current org-mode. Simon This is pretty fanboi of me but its really simple : use Gnus. It can do imap fine (you can always move to using a local dovecot server and use offlineimap to sync if performance is a problem). While I personally detest html email of any kind I understand that we need to, at least, receive it ;) Gnus does that nicely with w3m rendering if necessary. I use maildir : you could always (should you want of course) simply move all messages from an mbox group to a maildir inside gnus. While I cant attest to Gnus and mbox, the documentation indicates full support. Mairix also works well in gnus for fast indexed mail search. The only thing I would say is that Gnus can be quite daunting to start with but if you're familiar with Emacs and Elisp then there's nothing insurmountable and its a question of getting the basics right at the start. It also has quite amazingly (complex!) powerful spam handling which I finally got working only recently... Nothing really relative there but my gut feeling is that the other clients are pretty minimally supported these days and not in the same league regarding general functionality but obviously have their own strengths - Wanderlust in particular has far better Imap support I am told. But the person who told me that also claimed that Gnus could not do IMAP which is not correct. Gnus also works well with things like gpg-agent and gnupgp for reading of encrypted files. e.g My local imap connection , |(add-to-list 'gnus-secondary-select-methods |'(nnimap mymail |(nnimap-stream network) |(nnimap-address offlineimap) |(nnimap-authinfo-file ~/.authinfo.gpg) |(nnir-search-engine imap))) ` Feel free to drop me a line when you get started if you need a shove. Oh ... And it reads News ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Org mode and emacs email
* Richard Riley (rileyrg...@gmail.com) wrote: This is pretty fanboi of me but its really simple : use Gnus. It can do imap fine (you can always move to using a local dovecot server and use offlineimap to sync if performance is a problem). I've had a quick look at the gnus manual and it seems to depend upon importing your mail which rules it out for me. I'm not prepared to start collecting mail in a mail reader specific way. Most of my mail is collected by fetchmail, the IMAP accounts are quite low traffic. Simon -- Simon Brown ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: Org mode and emacs email
Simon Brown si...@cliffestones.demon.co.uk writes: * Richard Riley (rileyrg...@gmail.com) wrote: This is pretty fanboi of me but its really simple : use Gnus. It can do imap fine (you can always move to using a local dovecot server and use offlineimap to sync if performance is a problem). I've had a quick look at the gnus manual and it seems to depend upon importing your mail which rules it out for me. I'm not prepared to start collecting mail in a mail reader specific way. Most of my mail is collected by fetchmail, the IMAP accounts are quite low traffic. This is not a problem. I've used (or do I still do it?) gnus with fetchmail witho no trouble whatsoever. As it's been stated geting Gnus set and ready may take some time but its worth it. Gnus supports mbox quite well with nnfolder backend. -- Miłego dnia, Łukasz Stelmach ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
