Re: [Orgmode] keeping track of sent emails in org?
On Oct 27, 2008, at 10:17 PM, Bill White wrote: On Mon Oct 27 2008 at 13:11, Eric Schulte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sebastian Rose [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill, to add links to autgoing mails automatically, adding a link to such a mail once should be enough, to add the right funciton to your 'mail-send-hook' (?? don't no which hook really...) since it's just a question of the link format. It seems like this could get complicated as it depends on how/where you store your sent messages. Also, it looks like org-mode links rely on the gnus group, and article id to link back to an article, so somehow you would need a hook which runs after the sent article has been saved into a group and given an ID. Ah ha! Something was bugging me about org's links to gnus messages. In the git version, message ids are now used for links to gnus articles. Could some of you please verify this change? Thanks to Ross and Michael for input, I looked at their code to implement this. - Carsten ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] keeping track of sent emails in org?
Hi Greg Sullivan, == Sullivan, Gregory (US SSA) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sullivan, Much of what I need to do is in some way related to email Sullivan, messages I have received. So, to the extent that org is Sullivan, my repository of things I have to do and notes related to Sullivan, those things, links to related email messages would be Sullivan, very useful. You should be able to do that already. Not sure what mail agent you use, but I use MH-E. If I want to link a mail msg to org, I do this: 1 - Type C-c l (org-store-link) which stores this message in a buffer (may be a ring actually). 2 - pop over to your org-mode buffer, get to the correct location (or use remember) and hit C-c C-l (org-insert-link) That's it. Opening that link in org-mode will open up the email message. I have mh-e set up to use mairix as my mail indexing tool, and a cron job that runs mairix once an hour. Org-mode uses mairix to pull out the message from the appropriate place (pretty sure it does this using the message ID). The mh-e manual gives detailed instructions on setting up mh-e with mairix (or other indexing tools, such as swish etc). I suspect you could also use gnus, VM etc. Now clearly this depends on you using an emacs mail agent, but why wouldn't you ? You can spend your whole working life inside emacs. Add viper-mode for those of us with vi hardwired into our brains, and you have productivity Nirvana! :-) Pete ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] keeping track of sent emails in org?
Carsten Dominik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In the git version, message ids are now used for links to gnus articles. Could some of you please verify this change? How to? I did a `C-c l' in an outgoing message and a `C-c C-l' in an Org-file. The link created was: [[file:emacs/gnus/News/drafts/drafts/2::asdf][Test for outgoing mail link]] Is this, what's expected? Or do I have to set something up first? The link works. Regards, -- Sebastian Rose, EMMA STIL - mediendesign, Niemeyerstr.6, 30449 Hannover Tel.: +49 (0)511 - 36 58 472 Fax: +49 (0)1805 - 233633 - 11044 mobil: +49 (0)173 - 83 93 417 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Http: www.emma-stil.de ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] keeping track of sent emails in org?
Sebastian == Sebastian Rose [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sebastian Carsten Dominik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In the git version, message ids are now used for links to gnus articles. Could some of you please verify this change? Sebastian How to? I did a `C-c l' in an outgoing message and a Sebastian `C-c C-l' in an Org-file. The link created was: Sebastian [[file:emacs/gnus/News/drafts/drafts/2::asdf][Test for Sebastian outgoing mail link]] Sebastian Is this, what's expected? Or do I have to set something Sebastian up first? As far as I am aware, message ID's are generated by the MTA, not the MUA. Therefore I doubt that you can link to a message that hasn't been through the MTA. Certainly in mh-e, when I'm editing a draft, there is no Message-ID in the header, so I doubt if what Sebastien is trying to do above will work (unless gnus generates the ID during composition of the email ?) Pete ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] keeping track of sent emails in org?
On Oct 29, 2008, at 12:27 PM, Pete Phillips wrote: Sebastian == Sebastian Rose [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sebastian Carsten Dominik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In the git version, message ids are now used for links to gnus articles. Could some of you please verify this change? Sebastian How to? I did a `C-c l' in an outgoing message and a Sebastian `C-c C-l' in an Org-file. The link created was: Sebastian [[file:emacs/gnus/News/drafts/drafts/2::asdf][Test for Sebastian outgoing mail link]] Sebastian Is this, what's expected? Or do I have to set something Sebastian up first? As far as I am aware, message ID's are generated by the MTA, not the MUA. Therefore I doubt that you can link to a message that hasn't been through the MTA. Certainly in mh-e, when I'm editing a draft, there is no Message-ID in the header, so I doubt if what Sebastien is trying to do above will work (unless gnus generates the ID during composition of the email ?) Sacha calls the link creating code in message-sent-hook, and I believe at this moment in time, the message-id is present. So `C-c l' before sending will not help. But a function in the hook cold get there. Here is an idea for storing links to sent messages in the outline- tree: Write a function that remembers the current location in the outline tree (by creating a marker), calls up a message buffer, and installs a special hook function that will create a link to the sent message and insert it back at the position in the outline tree where the email command was called. This could be made to work even from an agenda view. - Carsten ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] keeping track of sent emails in org?
Hi all, I just saw this thread and believe that http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/org-mairix.el might contain parts of the answer, at least. I've been trying to come up with a better solution, and kept meaning to come back to it, but haven't managed thus far. The fundamental problem of getting the message ID, which is sufficient for linking to an article through mairix search has been solved, though. Sorry for not being more helpful - hope it'll be useful anyways. Regards, Georg -- Georg C. F. Greve [EMAIL PROTECTED] Free Software Foundation Europe (http://fsfeurope.org) President +41 43 500 03 66 ext 400 Join the Fellowship and protect your freedom! (http://www.fsfe.org) pgpXzNJ7FsnI4.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] keeping track of sent emails in org?
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 02:07:57PM +0100, Georg C. F. Greve wrote: I just saw this thread and believe that http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/org-mairix.el might contain parts of the answer, at least. I've been trying to come up with a better solution, and kept meaning to come back to it, but haven't managed thus far. The fundamental problem of getting the message ID, which is sufficient for linking to an article through mairix search has been solved, though. For the very few people who use OS X, mutt, Quicksilver and org-mode, I've got a solution to this at http://claviclaws.net/org/ I use Quicksilver to trigger an AppleScript which send a key command to mutt, triggering the following macro: macro index,pager I pipe-message/usr/bin/formail -X Message-ID -X Subject | cut -d\\ -f1 | tr -d \\ | ~/.mutt/org-mairix-link.sh\n This uses formail to pass the Message-ID and Subject to a shell script (available at above site) which in turn formats an org-mairix link and sends it to the Emacs kill-ring. Hope this might be of some use, Christopher ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] keeping track of sent emails in org?
Hi, I think there are interesting ideas coming up in this tasks, in particular the question if message IDs can be used to find articles in gnus, even if they have been moved around. I am not sure if this questions has been fully answered, but I have not read the thread carefully enough yet, and certainly not tried Michaels code. Right now I would like to take a little step back and understand better what the original poster is trying to do. I can see that in an Emacs/Planner environment it makes sense to create links to sent emails on the days page. The reason for this is that the planner day page is not only used for listing the planned tasks for the day, but also as a way of creating a daily journal. Sacha Chua's blog shows that she is using it just like that, and I think this is one of te unique and great features of planner. However, the basic setup of Org is different. There is no equivalent of a daily page. The agenda views created by Org are dynamic and list tasks, and the tasks disappear when they are done. Yes, you can look at the achievements of a day by checking closed tasks and log messages, but still this is no equivalent to the planner day pages which is a document that can be edited and preserved for the future. Maybe you can create something similar with Org, but I think it is not straight forward. On the other hand, every decent email program does have a SENT folder, and an easy way to list the emails sent on a specific date. To me it seems that instead of creating a sequential list of links to emails for each day, it would be more interesting to create a way to collect links relating to a project or a task in the outline node of the project, or maybe in an attachment file of the project (if the list of emails is long). Just my 5 cents. - Carsten On Oct 26, 2008, at 6:31 PM, Bill White wrote: Hi all - I'm looking into porting my planner/muse/gnus infrastructure to org. One indispensible bit of code in my current system writes a gnus message link in the current day's planner file every time I send a message from gnus. It uses Sacha Chua's sacha/planner-gnus-track-sent method here: http://sachachua.com/notebook/wiki/2006.08.10.php#anchor-3 http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.wiki.general/6017 Has someone already written something like this for org? Perhaps a remember-like mechanism that writes a link to, say, Email.org? Perhaps messages could be filed under date headlines: * Sunday, October 26, 2008 ** message 1 recipient:subject [link] (or contents?) ** message 2 recipient:subject [link] (or contents?) or somesuch. Thanks for any thoughts about this - bw -- Bill White . [EMAIL PROTECTED] . http://members.wolfram.com/billw No ma'am, we're musicians. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] keeping track of sent emails in org?
On Tue Oct 28 2008 at 12:58, Carsten Dominik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I think there are interesting ideas coming up in this tasks, in particular the question if message IDs can be used to find articles in gnus, even if they have been moved around. I am not sure if this questions has been fully answered, but I have not read the thread carefully enough yet, and certainly not tried Michaels code. Right now I would like to take a little step back and understand better what the original poster is trying to do. I'm the OP; I think you captured it well in the rest of your message. Using planner/muse, I've come to think of the day page as the fundamental unit of information (though I suppose it can be used in other ways). What I do today is recorded on today's page - outgoing emails, notes, remember records; also, any planner items/projects/etc marked as 'done' are left behind on today's page. When a new day page is generated, all ongoing projects from the previous day migrate like a herd of elephants across the savannah to the new day page. My main use of that day-based information is in writing weekly and monthly reports - a collection of stuff I've done that I and others may find helpful now and in the distant future when all details have been forgotten. It seems to me so far that org doesn't have the same notion of a day page; perhaps the fundamental unit of information is the note? There seems to be a certain 'timeless' quality to org pages, aside from deadlines and schedules. That timelessness is disconcerting when coming from planner. [...snip...] To me it seems that instead of creating a sequential list of links to emails for each day, it would be more interesting to create a way to collect links relating to a project or a task in the outline node of the project, or maybe in an attachment file of the project (if the list of emails is long). Indeed. There's surely no pressing need to implement a feature that isn't useful in org's philosophy of the universe. Perhaps if I can switch over to org and begin to think in its ways, I'll find a useful fundamental unit of information other than the day page and its date-based contents. Cheers - bw -- Bill White . [EMAIL PROTECTED] . http://members.wolfram.com/billw No ma'am, we're musicians. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
RE: [Orgmode] keeping track of sent emails in org?
Much of what I need to do is in some way related to email messages I have received. So, to the extent that org is my repository of things I have to do and notes related to those things, links to related email messages would be very useful. --Greg -- Gregory T. Sullivan, Ph.D. BAE Systems Advanced Information Technologies 6 New England Executive Park, Burlington, MA 01803 781-262-4553 (office), 978-430-3461 (cell) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carsten Dominik Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 1:58 PM To: Bill White Cc: Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Subject: Re: [Orgmode] keeping track of sent emails in org? Hi, I think there are interesting ideas coming up in this tasks, in particular the question if message IDs can be used to find articles in gnus, even if they have been moved around. I am not sure if this questions has been fully answered, but I have not read the thread carefully enough yet, and certainly not tried Michaels code. Right now I would like to take a little step back and understand better what the original poster is trying to do. I can see that in an Emacs/Planner environment it makes sense to create links to sent emails on the days page. The reason for this is that the planner day page is not only used for listing the planned tasks for the day, but also as a way of creating a daily journal. Sacha Chua's blog shows that she is using it just like that, and I think this is one of te unique and great features of planner. However, the basic setup of Org is different. There is no equivalent of a daily page. The agenda views created by Org are dynamic and list tasks, and the tasks disappear when they are done. Yes, you can look at the achievements of a day by checking closed tasks and log messages, but still this is no equivalent to the planner day pages which is a document that can be edited and preserved for the future. Maybe you can create something similar with Org, but I think it is not straight forward. On the other hand, every decent email program does have a SENT folder, and an easy way to list the emails sent on a specific date. To me it seems that instead of creating a sequential list of links to emails for each day, it would be more interesting to create a way to collect links relating to a project or a task in the outline node of the project, or maybe in an attachment file of the project (if the list of emails is long). Just my 5 cents. - Carsten On Oct 26, 2008, at 6:31 PM, Bill White wrote: Hi all - I'm looking into porting my planner/muse/gnus infrastructure to org. One indispensible bit of code in my current system writes a gnus message link in the current day's planner file every time I send a message from gnus. It uses Sacha Chua's sacha/planner-gnus-track-sent method here: http://sachachua.com/notebook/wiki/2006.08.10.php#anchor-3 http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.wiki.general/6017 Has someone already written something like this for org? Perhaps a remember-like mechanism that writes a link to, say, Email.org? Perhaps messages could be filed under date headlines: * Sunday, October 26, 2008 ** message 1 recipient:subject [link] (or contents?) ** message 2 recipient:subject [link] (or contents?) or somesuch. Thanks for any thoughts about this - bw -- Bill White . [EMAIL PROTECTED] . http://members.wolfram.com/billw No ma'am, we're musicians. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] keeping track of sent emails in org?
Hi Bill, to add links to autgoing mails automatically, adding a link to such a mail once should be enough, to add the right funciton to your 'mail-send-hook' (?? don't no which hook really...) since it's just a question of the link format. If no one has done this until now, please share it here. I use gnus, but I still BCC myself to 'store' my outgoing mail :-) As for me, I'd prefer a way to keep my outgoing mails directly in gnus. Something like this should work: (setq org-remember-templates '((sent-mails ?m * Mail sent %u\n %a\n organizer.org Sent))) (defun my-store-link() Docs for my-store-link (org-remember ?m)) ;; the `m' is the short cut for the template. (add-hook 'your-hook-here 'my-store-link) I don't know how to suppress the interactive part of it (C-c C-c to store it away), but sometimes you might add a short note anyway. Regards, Sebastian Sebastian Rose wrote: Hi Bill, links are one of the great features of Org-mode. Basically, links are added in two ways: a) Remember templates (automatic): You're reading an email in Gnus or another emacs mail reader, and want to add a note somewhere. To do this, you set up (once) a so called 'remember template'. See http://orgmode.org/manual/Remember.html#Remember how to do this. Org automatically adds a link to the mail/file/whatever, which brings you back to that mail/file/whatever, as you click on it. b) Semi-automatic: You want to add a link to an email/file/whatever to existing notes. To do this, visit the email/file/whatever and press 'C-c l' (org-store-link) to store a link to that location for later use. Back in your Org-file, you press 'C-c C-l' (org-insert-link), which provides you with a list of all stored links during your emacs session. You select the last one by pressing 'UP' once, and you're done. See http://orgmode.org/manual/Handling-links.html#Handling-links c) By hand: Also, you may add links to locations by hand. The syntax for links is described here: http://orgmode.org/manual/Hyperlinks.html#Hyperlinks Best regards, Sebastian Bill White wrote: Hi all - I'm looking into porting my planner/muse/gnus infrastructure to org. One indispensible bit of code in my current system writes a gnus message link in the current day's planner file every time I send a message from gnus. It uses Sacha Chua's sacha/planner-gnus-track-sent method here: http://sachachua.com/notebook/wiki/2006.08.10.php#anchor-3 http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.wiki.general/6017 Has someone already written something like this for org? Perhaps a remember-like mechanism that writes a link to, say, Email.org? Perhaps messages could be filed under date headlines: * Sunday, October 26, 2008 ** message 1 recipient:subject [link] (or contents?) ** message 2 recipient:subject [link] (or contents?) or somesuch. Thanks for any thoughts about this - bw ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] keeping track of sent emails in org?
Sebastian Rose [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill, to add links to autgoing mails automatically, adding a link to such a mail once should be enough, to add the right funciton to your 'mail-send-hook' (?? don't no which hook really...) since it's just a question of the link format. It seems like this could get complicated as it depends on how/where you store your sent messages. Also, it looks like org-mode links rely on the gnus group, and article id to link back to an article, so somehow you would need a hook which runs after the sent article has been saved into a group and given an ID. If this has been done before with planner, then it should be fairly straightforward to examine the previous implementation and adapt it to org-mode. Or I could be horribly wrong. If no one has done this until now, please share it here. I use gnus, but I still BCC myself to 'store' my outgoing mail :-) As for me, I'd prefer a way to keep my outgoing mails directly in gnus. I'm straying slightly off topic here, but take a look at `gcc-self' under gnus:Group Parameters. It automatically saves a copy of outgoing mail into the group from which the mail was sent. I use the following to turn it on for all of my mail groups. (setq gnus-parameters '((mail\\..* (gcc-self . t Cheers -- Eric Something like this should work: (setq org-remember-templates '((sent-mails ?m * Mail sent %u\n %a\n organizer.org Sent))) (defun my-store-link() Docs for my-store-link (org-remember ?m)) ;; the `m' is the short cut for the template. (add-hook 'your-hook-here 'my-store-link) I don't know how to suppress the interactive part of it (C-c C-c to store it away), but sometimes you might add a short note anyway. Regards, Sebastian Sebastian Rose wrote: Hi Bill, links are one of the great features of Org-mode. Basically, links are added in two ways: a) Remember templates (automatic): You're reading an email in Gnus or another emacs mail reader, and want to add a note somewhere. To do this, you set up (once) a so called 'remember template'. See http://orgmode.org/manual/Remember.html#Remember how to do this. Org automatically adds a link to the mail/file/whatever, which brings you back to that mail/file/whatever, as you click on it. b) Semi-automatic: You want to add a link to an email/file/whatever to existing notes. To do this, visit the email/file/whatever and press 'C-c l' (org-store-link) to store a link to that location for later use. Back in your Org-file, you press 'C-c C-l' (org-insert-link), which provides you with a list of all stored links during your emacs session. You select the last one by pressing 'UP' once, and you're done. See http://orgmode.org/manual/Handling-links.html#Handling-links c) By hand: Also, you may add links to locations by hand. The syntax for links is described here: http://orgmode.org/manual/Hyperlinks.html#Hyperlinks Best regards, Sebastian Bill White wrote: Hi all - I'm looking into porting my planner/muse/gnus infrastructure to org. One indispensible bit of code in my current system writes a gnus message link in the current day's planner file every time I send a message from gnus. It uses Sacha Chua's sacha/planner-gnus-track-sent method here: http://sachachua.com/notebook/wiki/2006.08.10.php#anchor-3 http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.wiki.general/6017 Has someone already written something like this for org? Perhaps a remember-like mechanism that writes a link to, say, Email.org? Perhaps messages could be filed under date headlines: * Sunday, October 26, 2008 ** message 1 recipient:subject [link] (or contents?) ** message 2 recipient:subject [link] (or contents?) or somesuch. Thanks for any thoughts about this - bw ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] keeping track of sent emails in org?
On Mon Oct 27 2008 at 13:11, Eric Schulte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sebastian Rose [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill, to add links to autgoing mails automatically, adding a link to such a mail once should be enough, to add the right funciton to your 'mail-send-hook' (?? don't no which hook really...) since it's just a question of the link format. It seems like this could get complicated as it depends on how/where you store your sent messages. Also, it looks like org-mode links rely on the gnus group, and article id to link back to an article, so somehow you would need a hook which runs after the sent article has been saved into a group and given an ID. Ah ha! Something was bugging me about org's links to gnus messages. From what I've seen so far in my cursory tours of org, links to gnus nnml messages are, by default, of the form group#nnmlFileName rather than messageID. Message-ID is known and retrievable when gnus calls message-sent-hook (which is how Sacha's link auto-filer works), but I'm not sure the nnml filename is known at that point. Can org create message-id links to gnus messages? (sorry, that's probably a FAQ) Cheers - bw -- Bill White . [EMAIL PROTECTED] . http://members.wolfram.com/billw No ma'am, we're musicians. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] keeping track of sent emails in org?
In the same area, has anyone had any experience with the VM links in org mode? I cannot get the link to take me to the specified message in vm. I could be way off base here, but what is preventing Org mode from just using the remember code from Planner. That seems to work out very well, and would prevent org from reinventing the wheel. - Chris Bill White writes: On Mon Oct 27 2008 at 13:11, Eric Schulte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sebastian Rose [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill, to add links to autgoing mails automatically, adding a link to such a mail once should be enough, to add the right funciton to your 'mail-send-hook' (?? don't no which hook really...) since it's just a question of the link format. It seems like this could get complicated as it depends on how/where you store your sent messages. Also, it looks like org-mode links rely on the gnus group, and article id to link back to an article, so somehow you would need a hook which runs after the sent article has been saved into a group and given an ID. Ah ha! Something was bugging me about org's links to gnus messages. From what I've seen so far in my cursory tours of org, links to gnus nnml messages are, by default, of the form group#nnmlFileName rather than messageID. Message-ID is known and retrievable when gnus calls message-sent-hook (which is how Sacha's link auto-filer works), but I'm not sure the nnml filename is known at that point. Can org create message-id links to gnus messages? (sorry, that's probably a FAQ) Cheers - bw -- Bill White . [EMAIL PROTECTED] . http://members.wolfram.com/billw No ma'am, we're musicians. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode -- Chris McMahan | [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] keeping track of sent emails in org?
On Oct 27, 2008, at 10:17 PM, Bill White wrote: On Mon Oct 27 2008 at 13:11, Eric Schulte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sebastian Rose [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill, to add links to autgoing mails automatically, adding a link to such a mail once should be enough, to add the right funciton to your 'mail-send-hook' (?? don't no which hook really...) since it's just a question of the link format. It seems like this could get complicated as it depends on how/where you store your sent messages. Also, it looks like org-mode links rely on the gnus group, and article id to link back to an article, so somehow you would need a hook which runs after the sent article has been saved into a group and given an ID. Ah ha! Something was bugging me about org's links to gnus messages. Can Gnus in general find messages by message-id? Then it would be nice if we could do that. I believe the mhe interface does use message-id already, maybe others too. Maybe some gnus-enables person would like to look into this and create patches? - Carsten From what I've seen so far in my cursory tours of org, links to gnus nnml messages are, by default, of the form group#nnmlFileName rather than messageID. Message-ID is known and retrievable when gnus calls message-sent-hook (which is how Sacha's link auto-filer works), but I'm not sure the nnml filename is known at that point. Can org create message-id links to gnus messages? (sorry, that's probably a FAQ) Cheers - bw -- Bill White . [EMAIL PROTECTED] . http://members.wolfram.com/billw No ma'am, we're musicians. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] keeping track of sent emails in org?
On Mon Oct 27 2008 at 16:35, Carsten Dominik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 27, 2008, at 10:17 PM, Bill White wrote: On Mon Oct 27 2008 at 13:11, Eric Schulte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sebastian Rose [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill, to add links to autgoing mails automatically, adding a link to such a mail once should be enough, to add the right funciton to your 'mail-send-hook' (?? don't no which hook really...) since it's just a question of the link format. It seems like this could get complicated as it depends on how/where you store your sent messages. Also, it looks like org-mode links rely on the gnus group, and article id to link back to an article, so somehow you would need a hook which runs after the sent article has been saved into a group and given an ID. Ah ha! Something was bugging me about org's links to gnus messages. Can Gnus in general find messages by message-id? Then it would be nice if we could do that. I believe the mhe interface does use message-id already, maybe others too. I know this link, generated by remember, works from planner: [[gnus://nnml:wri.d-wpt/[EMAIL PROTECTED]][E-Mail from Soandso]] And this, generated from Sacha's code, also works from planner: [[gnus://nnml:archive.2008-10/[EMAIL PROTECTED]][Eric Schulte: Re: %5BOrgmode%5D keeping track of sent emails in org?]] (I store this month's outgoing mail in ~/Mail/archive/2008-10) I don't know how planner's gnus:// link works, though. Maybe some gnus-enables person would like to look into this and create patches? Gnus-enabled and time-enriched :-) - Carsten From what I've seen so far in my cursory tours of org, links to gnus nnml messages are, by default, of the form group#nnmlFileName rather than messageID. Message-ID is known and retrievable when gnus calls message-sent-hook (which is how Sacha's link auto-filer works), but I'm not sure the nnml filename is known at that point. Can org create message-id links to gnus messages? (sorry, that's probably a FAQ) Cheers - bw -- Bill White . [EMAIL PROTECTED] . http://members.wolfram.com/billw No ma'am, we're musicians. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] keeping track of sent emails in org?
On Oct 27, 2008, at 10:49 PM, Bill White wrote: On Mon Oct 27 2008 at 16:35, Carsten Dominik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 27, 2008, at 10:17 PM, Bill White wrote: On Mon Oct 27 2008 at 13:11, Eric Schulte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sebastian Rose [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill, to add links to autgoing mails automatically, adding a link to such a mail once should be enough, to add the right funciton to your 'mail-send-hook' (?? don't no which hook really...) since it's just a question of the link format. It seems like this could get complicated as it depends on how/where you store your sent messages. Also, it looks like org-mode links rely on the gnus group, and article id to link back to an article, so somehow you would need a hook which runs after the sent article has been saved into a group and given an ID. Ah ha! Something was bugging me about org's links to gnus messages. Can Gnus in general find messages by message-id? Then it would be nice if we could do that. I believe the mhe interface does use message-id already, maybe others too. I know this link, generated by remember, works from planner: [[gnus://nnml:wri.d-wpt/[EMAIL PROTECTED]][E-Mail from Soandso]] And this, generated from Sacha's code, also works from planner: [[gnus://nnml:archive.2008-10/[EMAIL PROTECTED]][Eric Schulte: Re: %5BOrgmode%5D keeping track of sent emails in org?]] (I store this month's outgoing mail in ~/Mail/archive/2008-10) I don't know how planner's gnus:// link works, though. This looks to me that the link needs to know in which group the message is located, so such links will probably get broken when you move the message. So when you create the link in a group, then move it to a different group or folder, does the link then still work? - Carsten ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] keeping track of sent emails in org?
On Mon Oct 27 2008 at 16:59, Carsten Dominik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 27, 2008, at 10:49 PM, Bill White wrote: On Mon Oct 27 2008 at 16:35, Carsten Dominik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 27, 2008, at 10:17 PM, Bill White wrote: On Mon Oct 27 2008 at 13:11, Eric Schulte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sebastian Rose [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill, to add links to autgoing mails automatically, adding a link to such a mail once should be enough, to add the right funciton to your 'mail-send-hook' (?? don't no which hook really...) since it's just a question of the link format. It seems like this could get complicated as it depends on how/where you store your sent messages. Also, it looks like org-mode links rely on the gnus group, and article id to link back to an article, so somehow you would need a hook which runs after the sent article has been saved into a group and given an ID. Ah ha! Something was bugging me about org's links to gnus messages. Can Gnus in general find messages by message-id? Then it would be nice if we could do that. I believe the mhe interface does use message-id already, maybe others too. I know this link, generated by remember, works from planner: [[gnus://nnml:wri.d-wpt/[EMAIL PROTECTED]][E-Mail from Soandso]] And this, generated from Sacha's code, also works from planner: [[gnus://nnml:archive.2008-10/[EMAIL PROTECTED]][Eric Schulte: Re: %5BOrgmode%5D keeping track of sent emails in org?]] (I store this month's outgoing mail in ~/Mail/archive/2008-10) I don't know how planner's gnus:// link works, though. This looks to me that the link needs to know in which group the message is located, so such links will probably get broken when you move the message. So when you create the link in a group, then move it to a different group or folder, does the link then still work? I don't know - I never do that. Just a minute [fiddles with files...] So I went to the archive group in gnus, moved the message to nnml:temp via 'B m', then clicked the planner link to that message. The code called by the link eventually calls (gnus-summary-goto-article article-id nil t) where article-id is, in my case, the message-id. Somehow, gnus found that message and displayed it *in the archive group* (with an article ID number of -1) even though it isn't in that group anymore and I don't have gnus-registry enabled. There lurk gnus mysteries. Dunno whether that helps :-/ Cheers - bw -- Bill White . [EMAIL PROTECTED] . http://members.wolfram.com/billw No ma'am, we're musicians. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
