Re: Crash during access_keymap

2005-11-11 Thread YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
> On Tue, 8 Nov 2005 00:57:19 +, David Reitter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

> If this is the same bug with corruption of keymaps that everybody is
> complaining about: please please find&fix it. This occurs not only
> in Aquamacs, but also in recent Carbon Emacs Package builds.  I've
> already spent hours on tracing this and finding a workaround, and I
> haven't gotten far with this. Thanks.

Still I can't see the "commandp" problem with the CVS version.  If it
only occurs on some distributions of modified Carbon Emacs, it is
difficult for me to help directly, sorry.

One thing I can think of is heap corruption caused by missing
BLOCK_INPUTs.  If -DSYNC_INPUT suppresses the error, it might be due
to this. (See the thread starting from
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2004-09/msg00074.html)

 YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Re: OS X: Character Palette input doesn't work

2005-11-11 Thread YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
> On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 21:41:20 +, David Reitter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> said:

> In the Carbon port, one cannot use the "Character Palette" to input
> characters into Emacs.

> The original report came from an Aquamacs user.

>> It's easy to insert a Unicode character in a window from a Keyboard
>> Viewer (e.g. a cyrillic character from an Ukrainian keyboard) but I
>> cannot insert a Unicode character from the Character Palette. The
>> "Insert" button remains grayed out.

> I confirmed this for a very recent Emacs CVS version.  The "Insert"
> function of Character Palette is disabled while in Emacs. All other
> applications are happy to take input from it.

This is documented in the Emacs info (the "Keyboard and Mouse Input on
Mac" section):

  Emacs recognizes the setting in the Keyboard control panel (Mac OS
  Classic) or the International system preference pane (Mac OS X) and
  supports international and alternative keyboard layouts (e.g.,
  Dvorak) if its script is either Roman, Japanese, Traditional
  Chinese, Korean, Cyrillic, Simplified Chinese, or Central European.
  Keyboard layouts based on Unicode may not work properly.  Selecting
  one of the layouts from the keyboard layout pull-down menu will
  affect how the keys typed on the keyboard are interpreted.

> I couldn't find out what the cause of the problem is - I was looking
> for issues with the Carbon event handling and a missing event
> handler for some text input event.

You may want to look at the following documents:

  "Understanding Text Input and the Text Services Manager in Carbon"
  
http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Carbon/Conceptual/UnderstandTextInput_TSM/index.html

  "Supporting Unicode Input"
  
http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Carbon/Conceptual/Supporting_Unicode_Input/index.html

 YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
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Re: Carbon / reported font width wrong?

2005-11-11 Thread YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
> On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 15:50:14 +, David Reitter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> said:

> In the Carbon port (current CVS), fontset-info or frame-char-width
> report wrong pixel widths for fonts.  In the example below, two
> fontsets are created. The I set the frame font (to load the font)
> and compare reported character width with (frame-char-width).

>  From my understanding of the documentation, the two should be the
> same - but they differ.

They are not necessarily the same: the former is the maximum width,
and the latter is the average width.

The reason why they are not the same even in a fixed-width font is
that the maximum metrics are confused by characters missing in the
font.  One way to avoid this is to define maximum/minimum metrics as
those among ASCII characters.  This is what ATSUI support code is
doing.

 YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Index: src/macterm.c
===
RCS file: /cvsroot/emacs/emacs/src/macterm.c,v
retrieving revision 1.142
diff -c -r1.142 macterm.c
*** src/macterm.c   11 Nov 2005 16:33:44 -  1.142
--- src/macterm.c   12 Nov 2005 05:31:57 -
***
*** 7572,7577 
--- 7572,7584 
  SetRect (&max_bounds, 0, 0, 0, 0);
  for (c = 0x20; c <= 0xff; c++)
{
+ if (c == 0x7f)
+   {
+ STORE_XCHARSTRUCT (font->min_bounds, min_width, min_bounds);
+ STORE_XCHARSTRUCT (font->max_bounds, max_width, max_bounds);
+ continue;
+   }
+ 
  ch = c;
  char_width = CharWidth (ch);
  QDTextBounds (1, &ch, &char_bounds);
***
*** 7594,7601 
  UnionRect (&max_bounds, &char_bounds, &max_bounds);
}
}
- STORE_XCHARSTRUCT (font->min_bounds, min_width, min_bounds);
- STORE_XCHARSTRUCT (font->max_bounds, max_width, max_bounds);
  if (min_width == max_width
  && max_bounds.left >= 0 && max_bounds.right <= max_width)
{
--- 7601,7606 


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Re: "emacs -f gnus" shows the splashscreen instead of Gnus

2005-11-11 Thread Richard M. Stallman
That would be inacurate. If you type SPC, then the SPC is actually
processed (either by opening the group at point for "emacs -f gnus",
or inserted in the file for "emacs foo.c bar.c").

I guess it should say "C-l" instead of SPC, which is what
(someone pointed out) the existing message says.


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Re: custom-set-variables fails to set variable

2005-11-11 Thread Glenn Morris
Luc Teirlinck wrote:

> I do not know wether the fact that a hook is unbound caused problems
> back in July 2003, but it certainly causes no problems in today's
> CVS. Many hooks are unbound until add-hook gets called for them.

I haven't made myself clear. There was no _real_ problem with hooks
not being bound; it just confused someone to read the docstring of
outline-mode and see:

Turning on outline mode calls the value ... of `outline-mode-hook'

; then to try `C-h v outline-mode-hook' and get [No match].

Many packages (eg sh-script.el) that define modes "by hand" explicitly
defcustom the associated hook. As you say, they don't need to; it just
helps document things for the user, I guess. That was the motivation
here.



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Re: custom-set-variables fails to set variable

2005-11-11 Thread Luc Teirlinck
Glenn Morris wrote:

   I am he, but Stefan has it right anyway. It was just a cosmetic
   change, in response to bug report "outline mode doesn't call
   outline-mode-hook as promised (patch)" (Jul 16 2003). Without it, when
   one read the docstring for a mode defined with define-derived-mode it
   referenced a hook that did not seem to be defined.

I do not know wether the fact that a hook is unbound caused problems
back in July 2003, but it certainly causes no problems in today's CVS.
Many hooks are unbound until add-hook gets called for them.

Sincerely,

Luc.


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Re: custom-set-variables fails to set variable

2005-11-11 Thread Glenn Morris
Stefan Monnier wrote:

> I'm not Glenn, but IIRC the motivation was to make sure that foo-mode-hook
> was always bound.  It's not needed from elisp's point of view.

I am he, but Stefan has it right anyway. It was just a cosmetic
change, in response to bug report "outline mode doesn't call
outline-mode-hook as promised (patch)" (Jul 16 2003). Without it, when
one read the docstring for a mode defined with define-derived-mode it
referenced a hook that did not seem to be defined.



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Re: menu-updating-frame is nil on X

2005-11-11 Thread Juri Linkov
>> My previous change (i.e. using `(or menu-updating-frame (selected-frame))')
>> assumes that if `menu-updating-frame' is nil, this means that the menu
>> frame is the same as the selected frame.
>
> I'm not sure this is the right assumption.  I will think about this
> problem some more and try to find a better solution.
>
> Btw, if Vmenu_updating_frame is not set, it probably means that tmm
> has trouble in the non-toolkit build.  Is that indeed so?

Yes, in the menu buffer created by tmm in the non-toolkit version,
some valid menu items are disabled (i.e. the same menu items that are
normally enabled in a toolkit version or on a text-only terminal,
like "Save As..." or "Split Window").

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Re: custom-set-variables fails to set variable

2005-11-11 Thread Stefan Monnier
>> > AFAIK, Gerd isn't listening, so I CC'ed him.
>> > 
>> > Gerd, can you please help?
>> > 
>> > > revision 1.2
>> > > date: 2003/07/23 00:00:13;  author: gm;  state: Exp;  lines: +5 -1
>> 
>> I don't recognize the author "gm", but I'm pretty sure it's not me :-).

> Oops, sorry, you are right.  It was Glenn Morris.  Glenn, any
> insights why this change added a defvar for the hook?

I'm not Glenn, but IIRC the motivation was to make sure that foo-mode-hook
was always bound.  It's not needed from elisp's point of view.


Stefan


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Re: custom-set-variables fails to set variable

2005-11-11 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 12:26:47 +0100
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> > AFAIK, Gerd isn't listening, so I CC'ed him.
> > 
> > Gerd, can you please help?
> > 
> > > revision 1.2
> > > date: 2003/07/23 00:00:13;  author: gm;  state: Exp;  lines: +5 -1
> 
> I don't recognize the author "gm", but I'm pretty sure it's not me :-).

Oops, sorry, you are right.  It was Glenn Morris.  Glenn, any
insights why this change added a defvar for the hook?



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Re: custom-set-variables fails to set variable

2005-11-11 Thread Bill Wohler
Stefan Monnier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > revision 1.2
> > date: 2003/07/23 00:00:13;  author: gm;  state: Exp;  lines: +5 -1
> > branches:  1.2.2;
> > (define-derived-mode): Mention hook in doc string.  Defvar the derived
> > hook.
> 
> > Maybe someone familiar with that code can take it out...
> 
> I'll gladly take it out if nobody objects.

Thanks. I tried taking it out and found that the output of make
bootstrap didn't change in a meaningful way. It also fixed the setting
of those two MH-E hooks.

I'd feel better if someone else who could articulate the reason in the
ChangeLog better checked this in.

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Carbon / reported font width wrong?

2005-11-11 Thread David Reitter
In the Carbon port (current CVS), fontset-info or frame-char-width  
report wrong pixel widths for fonts.
In the example below, two fontsets are created. The I set the frame  
font (to load the font) and compare reported character width with  
(frame-char-width).


From my understanding of the documentation, the two should be the  
same - but they differ.


Please correct me if my understanding is wrong and this is not a bug.  
In that case it'd be helpful to know how to determine the height and  
normal width of characters in a fontset before the fontset is  
actually loaded. The reason why I'd like to do this is to change the  
font of a given frame without changing its pixel size (or at least  
with only minimal changes in pixel size). For this, I need to  
calculate the new (character-based) width and height using the old  
ones and the old and new font character dimensions.


Thanks
D

---

(defun create-aquamacs-fontset (maker name weight variety style  
sizes  &optional fontsetname)
  "Create a mac fontset with the given properties (leave nil to  
under-specify).
SIZES is a list of integers, indicating the desired font sizes in  
points.
Errors are signalled with ``signal-font-error'', unless ''ignore-font- 
errors''

is non-nil. (This function is part of Aquamacs and subject to change.)"
  (message (concat "Defining fontset: " (or fontsetname name)))
  (condition-case e
  (dolist (size sizes)

(create-fontset-from-mac-roman-font
 (format "-%s-%s-%s-%s-%s-*-%s-*-*-*-*-*-mac-roman"
 (or maker "*")
 (or name "*")
 (or weight "*")
 (or variety "*")
 (or style "*")
 size
 )
 nil
 (concat (or fontsetname name) (int-to-string size))
 )
)
(error (signal-font-error e)))

)

(create-aquamacs-fontset
"apple" "lucida grande*" "medium" "r" "normal" '(9 10 11 12 13 14 16  
18) "lucida" )

(create-aquamacs-fontset
"apple" "monaco*" "medium" "r" "normal" '(9 10 11 12 13 14 16 18)  
"monaco" )



(set-frame-font "fontset-lucida13")
(fontset-info "fontset-lucida13")
;; "SIZE is the maximum bound width of ASCII font in the fontset,"
;; first element of vector is 15 (width in pixels)
(frame-char-width)


(set-frame-font "fontset-monaco12")
(fontset-info "fontset-monaco12")
;; width reported is 8
(frame-char-width)
;; real width is 7


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Re: custom-set-variables fails to set variable

2005-11-11 Thread Bill Wohler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > AFAIK, Gerd isn't listening, so I CC'ed him.
> > 
> > Gerd, can you please help?
> > 
> > > revision 1.2
> > > date: 2003/07/23 00:00:13;  author: gm;  state: Exp;  lines: +5 -1
> 
> I don't recognize the author "gm", but I'm pretty sure it's not me :-).

Ooops ;-).

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Re: "emacs -f gnus" shows the splashscreen instead of Gnus

2005-11-11 Thread Matthieu Moy
"Richard M. Stallman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> How about
>
>Type SPC to proceed to editing the files foo.c and bar.c
>
> or
>
>Type SPC to proceed to use gnus.

That would be inacurate. If you type SPC, then the SPC is actually
processed (either by opening the group at point for "emacs -f gnus",
or inserted in the file for "emacs foo.c bar.c").

(that's what made it very anoying in my case with "emacs -f gnus")

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Re: "emacs -f gnus" shows the splashscreen instead of Gnus

2005-11-11 Thread Miles Bader
2005/11/11, Romain Francoise <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> There is one already: when you're visiting a file, the splash screen
> says "Type C-l to begin editing your file." on the second line.
>
> Perhaps it's not obvious enough...

I think it's too generic -- it sounds like the sort of random
boilerplate that might always be displayed.

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Re: "emacs -f gnus" shows the splashscreen instead of Gnus

2005-11-11 Thread Romain Francoise
Miles Bader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I think it would be good if there was some obvious indicator on the
> splash screen that would make the true state of affairs obvious.

There is one already: when you're visiting a file, the splash screen
says "Type C-l to begin editing your file." on the second line.

Perhaps it's not obvious enough...

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Saving SVN-managed files over Tramp fails

2005-11-11 Thread Magnus Henoch
I had opened a file on a remote host over Tramp.  The file is in an
SVN tree.  When trying to save the file, I get the following
backtrace.  (I don't have SVN installed on the local machine)

Debugger entered--Lisp error: (error "Running svn...FAILED (status 127)")
  signal(error ("Running svn...FAILED (status 127)"))
  error("Running %s...FAILED (%s)" "svn" "status 127")
  vc-do-command(t 0 "svn" "/sshx:[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]:/jabber/src/production/msn.jabber.cd.chalmers.se-svn/config.xml" 
"status" "-v")
  apply(vc-do-command t 0 "svn" "/sshx:[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]:/jabber/src/production/msn.jabber.cd.chalmers.se-svn/config.xml" 
("status" "-v"))
  vc-svn-command(t 0 "/sshx:[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]:/jabber/src/production/msn.jabber.cd.chalmers.se-svn/config.xml" 
"status" "-v")
  vc-svn-registered("/sshx:[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]:/jabber/src/production/msn.jabber.cd.chalmers.se-svn/config.xml")
  apply(vc-svn-registered "/sshx:[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]:/jabber/src/production/msn.jabber.cd.chalmers.se-svn/config.xml")
  vc-call-backend(SVN registered "/sshx:[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]:/jabber/src/production/msn.jabber.cd.chalmers.se-svn/config.xml")
  #[(b) "ÂÃ#..Ä   Å#..ÆÇÈ\"." [b file vc-call-backend registered 
vc-file-setprop vc-backend throw found t] 4](SVN)
  mapcar(#[(b) "ÂÃ #..Ä   Å#..ÆÇÈ\"." [b file vc-call-backend 
registered vc-file-setprop vc-backend throw found t] 4] (RCS CVS SVN SCCS Arch 
MCVS))
  byte-code("ÃÄ\".ÅÆ   .. Ç=..\n..  \nB\".)ÈÄÇ#.É." [file backend 
vc-handled-backends vc-file-getprop vc-backend mapcar #[(b) "ÂÃ #..Ä   
Å#..ÆÇÈ\"." [b file vc-call-backend registered vc-file-setprop vc-backend 
throw found t] 4] none vc-file-setprop nil] 4)
  vc-registered("/sshx:[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]:/jabber/src/production/msn.jabber.cd.chalmers.se-svn/config.xml")
  apply(vc-registered "/sshx:[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]:/jabber/src/production/msn.jabber.cd.chalmers.se-svn/config.xml")
  tramp-run-real-handler(vc-registered ("/sshx:[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]:/jabber/src/production/msn.jabber.cd.chalmers.se-svn/config.xml"))
  tramp-sh-file-name-handler(vc-registered "/sshx:[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]:/jabber/src/production/msn.jabber.cd.chalmers.se-svn/config.xml")
  apply(tramp-sh-file-name-handler vc-registered "/sshx:[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]:/jabber/src/production/msn.jabber.cd.chalmers.se-svn/config.xml")
  tramp-file-name-handler(vc-registered "/sshx:[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]:/jabber/src/production/msn.jabber.cd.chalmers.se-svn/config.xml")
  vc-registered("/sshx:[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]:/jabber/src/production/msn.jabber.cd.chalmers.se-svn/config.xml")
  vc-backend("/sshx:[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]:/jabber/src/production/msn.jabber.cd.chalmers.se-svn/config.xml")
  vc-before-save()
  basic-save-buffer()
  save-buffer(1)
  call-interactively(save-buffer)


If emacs crashed, and you have the emacs process in the gdb debugger,
please include the output from the following gdb commands:
`bt full' and `xbacktrace'.
If you would like to further debug the crash, please read the file
/usr/local/share/emacs/22.0.50/etc/DEBUG for instructions.


In GNU Emacs 22.0.50.1 (powerpc-unknown-netbsd3.99.10, X toolkit, Xaw3d scroll 
bars)
 of 2005-11-01 on zemdatav
X server distributor `The XFree86 Project, Inc', version 11.0.4040
Important settings:
  value of $LC_ALL: nil
  value of $LC_COLLATE: nil
  value of $LC_CTYPE: en_US.UTF-8
  value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil
  value of $LC_MONETARY: nil
  value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil
  value of $LC_TIME: nil
  value of $LANG: nil
  locale-coding-system: utf-8
  default-enable-multibyte-characters: t

Major mode: Debugger

Minor modes in effect:
  desktop-save-mode: t
  file-name-shadow-mode: t
  jabber-activity-mode: t
  jabber-mode-line-mode: t
  iswitchb-mode: t
  icomplete-mode: t
  tooltip-mode: t
  auto-compression-mode: t
  mouse-wheel-mode: t
  global-font-lock-mode: t
  font-lock-mode: t
  blink-cursor-mode: t
  unify-8859-on-encoding-mode: t
  utf-translate-cjk-mode: t
  line-number-mode: t

Recent input:
 C-s C-w C-w C-w C-s C-s
 C-x C-f v c - s v  
 C-s v c - s v n - a  m a k e - 
C-w C-w C-w C-s C-s  C-x 1   C-h 
v C-g C-h f v c SPC s t a y SPC l o c  M-x 
   C-g C-x C-s C-x  C-x  
C-x  C-x C-s  C-x h M-w M-x e m  
 r e p o r t SPC e m 

Recent messages:
Quit
Type C-x 1 to remove help window.  C-M-v to scroll the help.
Fri Nov 11 10:35:57 2005: sending keepalive packet
Fri Nov 11 10:35:58 2005: got keepalive response
Quit
(No changes need to be saved)
Message from kotsje in Esperanto
Entering debugger...
Mark set [2 times]
Loading emacsbug...done


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Re: custom-set-variables fails to set variable

2005-11-11 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 19:32:44 -0800
> From: Bill Wohler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org
> 
> Luc Teirlinck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Bill Wohler wrote:
> > 
> >Also, why does the same code work in Emacs 21 and not in Emacs 22?
> > 
> > I believe that I answered this in an earlier reply, but maybe you had
> > not yet read that reply when you asked this.
> 
> Yes, that is correct. I liked your proposal to revert to Emacs 21
> semantics. This would also fix the problem with the two broken MH-E
> hooks which, as far as I can tell, shouldn't be broken (although I might
> be confused about how require works ;-). (Who knows how many other hooks
> are broken in the same way.)
> 
> If Gerd is listening, perhaps he can let us know why he added that
> defvar:

AFAIK, Gerd isn't listening, so I CC'ed him.

Gerd, can you please help?

> revision 1.2
> date: 2003/07/23 00:00:13;  author: gm;  state: Exp;  lines: +5 -1
> branches:  1.2.2;
> (define-derived-mode): Mention hook in doc string.  Defvar the derived
> hook.
> 
> Maybe someone familiar with that code can take it out...


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Re: "emacs -f gnus" shows the splashscreen instead of Gnus

2005-11-11 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: "Richard M. Stallman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 15:49:21 -0500
> Cc: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> Why not use the splash screen as a "screen saver", i.e. if emacs has
> been idle for N seconds, show the splash screen  (of course, people
> should have a chance to turn this off).
> 
> Would people like that?  I think it would be very annoying?

Annoying, yes.  People who want this should use "M-x zone", which was
specifically designed as a joke.


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