Re: bad copyright years

2006-12-14 Thread Richard Stallman
The files who have copyright year before 1997 were released
every year as part of Mule package.  They are integrated
into Emacs in 1997.  And Emacs were released in 1997, 1998,
and 1999.  So, perhaps I didn't have to add the year 2000,
but I thought that having that year was not harmful.  And
actually most files are modified in 2000 too.

It is ok.


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Re: bad copyright years

2006-12-13 Thread Richard Stallman
They are written by me and not modified by any other
person.  So, I think it's ok not having FSF copyright.

That is right.


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Re: bad copyright years

2006-12-13 Thread Glenn Morris
Kenichi Handa wrote:

 I've just updated all AIST copyright years.

It seems as if in every case, you just added every year from the first
copyright date to the present. This is not exactly how it is supposed
to work. The idea is, you should add every year where the file was
released with a non-trivial amount of changes in either the file
itself or the package (ie Emacs in this case).

Since 2001, Emacs has been publicly available by anon CVS. This
counts as a release every year. So any file that was in Emacs 21 (in
2001) should have the years 2001-2006 inclusive added. Files added to
CVS since Emacs 21 should have the years N-2006 added, where N is the
year of addition.

Before 2001, you just need to add the dates of the Emacs releases
(assuming the files were in Emacs at the time). I suspect that few
files have actually had this done in a rigorous fashion. So if I were
you, I probably would just have added the years 2001-2006.

(disclaimer: this is my understanding).

 They are written by me and not modified by any other person. So, I
 think it's ok not having FSF copyright.

OK (I just found it odd to see files in Emacs which the FSF has no
claim on).



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Re: bad copyright years

2006-12-13 Thread Kenichi Handa
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Glenn Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Kenichi Handa wrote:
  I've just updated all AIST copyright years.

 It seems as if in every case, you just added every year from the first
 copyright date to the present. This is not exactly how it is supposed
 to work. The idea is, you should add every year where the file was
 released with a non-trivial amount of changes in either the file
 itself or the package (ie Emacs in this case).

 Since 2001, Emacs has been publicly available by anon CVS. This
 counts as a release every year. So any file that was in Emacs 21 (in
 2001) should have the years 2001-2006 inclusive added. Files added to
 CVS since Emacs 21 should have the years N-2006 added, where N is the
 year of addition.

 Before 2001, you just need to add the dates of the Emacs releases
 (assuming the files were in Emacs at the time). I suspect that few
 files have actually had this done in a rigorous fashion. So if I were
 you, I probably would just have added the years 2001-2006.

The files who have copyright year before 1997 were released
every year as part of Mule package.  They are integrated
into Emacs in 1997.  And Emacs were released in 1997, 1998,
and 1999.  So, perhaps I didn't have to add the year 2000,
but I thought that having that year was not harmful.  And
actually most files are modified in 2000 too.

---
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Re: bad copyright years

2006-12-13 Thread Glenn Morris
Kenichi Handa wrote:

 The files who have copyright year before 1997 were released
 every year as part of Mule package. 

Ok. Sorry for the lecture you did not need, then.

 They are integrated into Emacs in 1997. And Emacs were released in
 1997, 1998, and 1999. So, perhaps I didn't have to add the year
 2000, but I thought that having that year was not harmful. And
 actually most files are modified in 2000 too.

I _think_ it does not matter if the files were modified that year, if
those modifications were not released that year (though I agree with
you that this is not a huge issue).

The current maintain.texi does not seem to make it clear what rules
apply if you are not using a public repository, as in 2000.



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Re: bad copyright years

2006-12-12 Thread Kenichi Handa
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Glenn Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Kenichi Handa wrote:
  years that I modified the code.  But, AIST keeps copyright
  for all continuous years.  If we must list all years
  explicitely in such a case, could you please update the lines
  for AIST too?

 I've done my best, but I would ask you to check the files where AIST
 holds copyright to make sure that they are correct.

 In several cases, the AIST copyright had not been updated for many
 years (before Emacs 21), whereas the FSF one had. I therefore only
 updated the FSF years. You may want to update AIST years too. In
 particular, in lisp/language:

Thank you very much.   I've just updated all AIST copyright years.

 I would also draw attention to the following files, which have no FSF
 copyright at all, it seems. Maybe this is correct, I don't know:

 lisp/composite.el
 lisp/international/ja-dic-cnv.el
 lisp/international/ja-dic-utl.el
 lisp/language/greek.el
 lisp/language/misc-lang.el
 lisp/language/thai-word.el

They are written by me and not modified by any other
person.  So, I think it's ok not having FSF copyright.

---
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Re: bad copyright years

2006-12-11 Thread Glenn Morris
Nick Roberts wrote:

   PS Fun times ahead in 3 weeks when every single file in Emacs needs
   2007 adding to the Copyright years...

 Doesn't this make it a bit silly then to just to do it for 2006?

I'm not just doing it for 2006. I'm clearing up the mess (IMO) that
remains several months after the copyright statements in general were
supposedly all checked. Adding 2007 when the time comes ought to be
almost totally automatic, as you say.



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Re: bad copyright years

2006-12-09 Thread Eli Zaretskii
 From: Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org
 Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 20:26:07 -0500
 
 There's not a single change that has been done in config.bat in the
 years 2003 and 2005.  maintain.texi says (in node Copyright
 Notices):
 
  To update the list of year numbers, add each year in which you have
   made nontrivial changes to the package.
 
 The package is GNU Emacs.  There have been changes in GNU Emacs every year.
 
 We used to have a different practice, which you probably remember.
 We changed it this year based on Eben Moglen's advice.

That change of policy doesn't make sense to me.


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Re: bad copyright years

2006-12-09 Thread Eli Zaretskii
 From: Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org
 Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2006 01:00:52 -0500
 
  Btw, why isn't this change reflected in ChangeLog?
 
 To be honest, because the prospect of potentially writing ChangeLog
 entries for 4000 files appalled me. These changes are all changes in
 comments (essentially), which have no impact on how the code
 performs.
 
 In general we don't make change log entries for changes in comments.

Changing the copyright notice is not just any change in a comment.

If writing 4000 entries is too much (I don't understand why, a simple
script or even an Emacs macro could do that), then I suggest that at
least some general entry should be made about these mass changes.


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Re: bad copyright years

2006-12-09 Thread Richard Stallman
 We used to have a different practice, which you probably remember.
 We changed it this year based on Eben Moglen's advice.

That change of policy doesn't make sense to me.

He's the lawyer, so we follow his advice.

The new policy is much simpler to implement.  Every year, when we've
made more than a tiny change, we add the new year to every file.
Nothing else to do, except when we add a file.



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Re: bad copyright years

2006-12-09 Thread Richard Stallman
 In general we don't make change log entries for changes in comments.

Changing the copyright notice is not just any change in a comment.

For software maintenance purposes, just as for copyright recording
purposes, this is almost as trivial as a whitespace change.  There is
no reason to record this change in ChangeLog.


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Re: bad copyright years

2006-12-09 Thread Glenn Morris
Kenichi Handa wrote:

 years that I modified the code.  But, AIST keeps copyright
 for all continuous years.  If we must list all years
 explicitely in such a case, could you please update the lines
 for AIST too?

I've done my best, but I would ask you to check the files where AIST
holds copyright to make sure that they are correct.

In several cases, the AIST copyright had not been updated for many
years (before Emacs 21), whereas the FSF one had. I therefore only
updated the FSF years. You may want to update AIST years too. In
particular, in lisp/language:

chinese.el
devan-util.el
english.el
hebrew.el
japanese.el
korea-util
korean
lao-util
tibet-util
tibetan
viet-util
vietnamese


I would also draw attention to the following files, which have no FSF
copyright at all, it seems. Maybe this is correct, I don't know:

lisp/composite.el
lisp/international/ja-dic-cnv.el
lisp/international/ja-dic-utl.el
lisp/language/greek.el
lisp/language/misc-lang.el
lisp/language/thai-word.el



I am becoming increasingly unhappy with the state of the Emacs
copyright headers, despite a big exercise earlier in the year where
every subdirectory was supposedly signed off as up to date.



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Re: bad copyright years

2006-12-08 Thread Eli Zaretskii
I don't understand this change:

Index: config.bat
===
RCS file: /cvsroot/emacs/emacs/config.bat,v
retrieving revision 1.42
retrieving revision 1.43
diff -u -r1.42 -r1.43
--- config.bat  20 Apr 2006 06:59:37 -  1.42
+++ config.bat  5 Dec 2006 05:36:19 -   1.43
@@ -1,8 +1,8 @@
 @echo off
 rem   
--
 rem   Configuration script for MSDOS
-rem   Copyright (C) 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2001, 2004, 2006
-rem   Free Software Foundation, Inc.
+rem   Copyright (C) 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2001, 2002, 2003
+rem   2004, 2005, 2006  Free Software Foundation, Inc.

 rem   This file is part of GNU Emacs.

There's not a single change that has been done in config.bat in the
years 2003 and 2005.  maintain.texi says (in node Copyright
Notices):

   To update the list of year numbers, add each year in which you have
made nontrivial changes to the package.

So why add to config.bat years that didn't see any changes in that
file?

Btw, why isn't this change reflected in ChangeLog?


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Re: bad copyright years

2006-12-08 Thread Glenn Morris
Eli Zaretskii wrote:

 There's not a single change that has been done in config.bat in the
 years 2003 and 2005.  maintain.texi says (in node Copyright
 Notices):

To update the list of year numbers, add each year in which
 you have made nontrivial changes to the package.

Changes to the _package_, not to the _file_.

 So why add to config.bat years that didn't see any changes in that
 file?

Because the Emacs package saw change in those years.

 Btw, why isn't this change reflected in ChangeLog?

To be honest, because the prospect of potentially writing ChangeLog
entries for 4000 files appalled me. These changes are all changes in
comments (essentially), which have no impact on how the code
performs.



PS Fun times ahead in 3 weeks when every single file in Emacs needs
2007 adding to the Copyright years...



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Re: bad copyright years

2006-12-08 Thread Richard Stallman
There's not a single change that has been done in config.bat in the
years 2003 and 2005.  maintain.texi says (in node Copyright
Notices):

   To update the list of year numbers, add each year in which you have
made nontrivial changes to the package.

The package is GNU Emacs.  There have been changes in GNU Emacs every year.

We used to have a different practice, which you probably remember.
We changed it this year based on Eben Moglen's advice.


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Re: bad copyright years

2006-12-07 Thread Nick Roberts
   t-mouse.el was added in 2006 so it is correct.
  
  It can't be correct. See my thread in emacs-devel.
  If Rubini and Zimmermann have signed assignments, their names should
  not appear as copyright holders. If they haven't, the file should not
  be in Emacs, AFAIU.

And I thought we said that CC mode was added to Emacs in 1992, yet e.g

;;; cc-langs.el --- language specific settings for CC Mode

;; Copyright (C) 1985, 1987, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998,
;;   1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006  Free Software
;;   Foundation, Inc.

i.e the years before 1992 are still in the header

Q. to RMS: What *should* the header for t-mouse.el look like?

Currently:

;; Copyright (C) 1994,1995 Alessandro Rubini [EMAIL PROTECTED]
;;   parts are by Ian T Zimmermann [EMAIL PROTECTED], 1995,1998
;; Copyright (C) 2006
;; Free Software Foundation, Inc.



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Re: bad copyright years

2006-12-07 Thread Glenn Morris
Nick Roberts wrote:

 And I thought we said that CC mode was added to Emacs in 1992, yet e.g

 ;;; cc-langs.el --- language specific settings for CC Mode

 ;; Copyright (C) 1985, 1987, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998,
 ;;   1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006  Free Software
 ;;   Foundation, Inc.

 i.e the years before 1992 are still in the header

Yes, this is fine. Presumably cc-mode was released as a separate
package several times before it was added to Emacs. So in 1992 the
header may have looked like:

1985, 1987, 1992  John Smith

Then when the copyright got assigned to the FSF in 1992, this changes
to become:

1985, 1987, 1992  FSF

The older years do not get removed, you just change the copyright
holder.

 Q. to RMS: What *should* the header for t-mouse.el look like?

 Currently:

 ;; Copyright (C) 1994,1995 Alessandro Rubini [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 ;;   parts are by Ian T Zimmermann [EMAIL PROTECTED], 1995,1998
 ;; Copyright (C) 2006
 ;; Free Software Foundation, Inc.

If I may answer, then normally you remove the old names and replace
them with FSF, but keep the old dates. So it would look like:

1994, 1995, 1998, 2006 FSF

I suppose there are corner cases when things may be different.



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Re: bad copyright years

2006-12-07 Thread Richard Stallman
 ps-bdf.el should have all the from 2001 to 2006.

Do I update the years for AIST as well as FSF?

I think only those for FSF, but please ask Handa-san.

 t-mouse.el was added in 2006 so it is correct.

It can't be correct. See my thread in emacs-devel.

I meant that the years were correct.  I tend to focus too narrowly
these days, so I didn't even notice the issue about Rubini until
someone pointed it out.


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Re: bad copyright years

2006-12-07 Thread Kenichi Handa
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 ps-bdf.el should have all the from 2001 to 2006.
 Do I update the years for AIST as well as FSF?

 I think only those for FSF, but please ask Handa-san.

Long ago, I updated AIST's copyright line to list only such
years that I modified the code.  But, AIST keeps copyright
for all continuous years.  If we must list all years
explicitely in such a case, could you please update the lines
for AIST too?

---
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Re: bad copyright years

2006-12-06 Thread Richard Stallman
ps-bdf.el should have all the from 2001 to 2006.
t-mouse.el was added in 2006 so it is correct.
I asked about composite.el.


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Re: bad copyright years

2006-12-06 Thread Glenn Morris

Thanks for checking on the ones I was unsure of.

Richard Stallman wrote:

 ps-bdf.el should have all the from 2001 to 2006.

Do I update the years for AIST as well as FSF?

 t-mouse.el was added in 2006 so it is correct.

It can't be correct. See my thread in emacs-devel.
If Rubini and Zimmermann have signed assignments, their names should
not appear as copyright holders. If they haven't, the file should not
be in Emacs, AFAIU.

 I asked about composite.el.


I have since checked lisp/ subdirs: calc, calendar, emacs-lisp,
emulation and erc.



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Re: bad copyright years

2006-12-04 Thread Glenn Morris

On this subject, was it ever decided whether 2001 (the year 21.1 was
released) should be added to all files that were present in Emacs at
that time? When we went through this copyright update process the
first time, sometimes it was added and sometimes it was not. Or is it
not important?



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Re: bad copyright years

2006-12-04 Thread Richard Stallman
Don't the copyright years need to be updated to include all years from
2001-2006 inclusive, the period over which they have been available
from the Emacs CVS repository?

Yes, they should be.


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Re: bad copyright years

2006-12-04 Thread Richard Stallman
On this subject, was it ever decided whether 2001 (the year 21.1 was
released) should be added to all files that were present in Emacs at
that time?

Yes, it should be.


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Re: bad copyright years

2006-12-04 Thread Glenn Morris
Richard Stallman wrote:

 On this subject, was it ever decided whether 2001 (the year 21.1 was
 released) should be added to all files that were present in Emacs at
 that time?

 Yes, it should be.

Marvellous. It is missing from a large number of files. I just fixed
lisp/*.el, which was enormous fun. If people want to jump in and do
some others, that would be good. The only thing stopping it being
automatic is files that were added to Emacs since 2001. Comparing with
an Emacs-21.x tree can help spot these.

I omitted these, which have odd copyrights:

composite.el
ps-bdf.el
t-mouse.el



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Re: bad copyright years

2006-12-02 Thread Richard Stallman
OK, I didn't appreciate that.  Now I fail to see why the original question 
was
`interesting' at all, or why you wished to know when CC mode became part of
Emacs, as it seems to have a striaghtforward answer.

It has to do with which years it was released in.  For the time it was
distributed in Emacs, we know the answer--it is the same as the rest
of Emacs.


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Re: bad copyright years

2006-12-01 Thread Richard Stallman
I also see there that the Copyright years 1992-1998 were all listed
explicitly at one point, then in 1999 got changed to the compact
form. So it seems pretty clear they should be put back.

Yes, please do.


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Re: bad copyright years

2006-12-01 Thread Richard Stallman
A few other files have odd Copyright notices, eg

leim/MISC-DIC/CTLau.html
leim/quail/CTLau.el
lisp/international/titdic-cnv.el
lisp/language/thai-word.el

Eg who owns the copyright for thai-word.el in 2006? Who has owned
titdic-cnv.el since 2002?

Handa, can you answer?


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Re: bad copyright years

2006-12-01 Thread Richard Stallman
  I think this means don't delete years, not don't reformat the way
  years appear.

I guess it also means list the copyright owners at the time.  

No, definitely not.

If someone has assigned copyright to the FSF, then the copyright notices
for his work should say Free Software Foundation, Inc.

It gets released separately though, and works with XEmacs from what I
understand

That does not affect this issue at all.


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Re: bad copyright years

2006-12-01 Thread Nick Roberts
I think this means don't delete years, not don't reformat the way
years appear.
  
  I guess it also means list the copyright owners at the time.  
  
  No, definitely not.
  
  If someone has assigned copyright to the FSF, then the copyright notices
  for his work should say Free Software Foundation, Inc.

OK, I didn't appreciate that.  Now I fail to see why the original question was
`interesting' at all, or why you wished to know when CC mode became part of
Emacs, as it seems to have a striaghtforward answer.

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Re: bad copyright years

2006-12-01 Thread Kenichi Handa
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 A few other files have odd Copyright notices, eg
 leim/MISC-DIC/CTLau.html

This is a verbatim copy of the original file.

 leim/quail/CTLau.el

This file is automatically generated from leim/MISC-DIC/CTLau.html.

 lisp/international/titdic-cnv.el
 lisp/language/thai-word.el

 Eg who owns the copyright for thai-word.el in 2006?

AIST, as well as the other files that I wrote and no one
else have modified.

 Who has owned titdic-cnv.el since 2002?

FSF and AIST, as well as the other files that I wrote and
have been modified by someone else who assigned his changes
to FSF.

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[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Re: bad copyright years

2006-11-30 Thread Richard Stallman
Should things of the form 1992-2003 be expanded to every member
year?

That is an interesting question.  I don't think CC mode was part
of Emacs during all those years.  When did it become part of Emacs?
And what copyright years did it have then?



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Re: bad copyright years

2006-11-30 Thread Nick Roberts
  Should things of the form 1992-2003 be expanded to every member
  year?
  
  That is an interesting question.  I don't think CC mode was part
  of Emacs during all those years.  When did it become part of Emacs?
  And what copyright years did it have then?

I updated copyright years in the progmodes directory (for 2005 and 2006).  I
might have overlooked 1992-2003 but I think I was following guidance at the
time - I can't remember.  Discussion on emacs-devel in 2005 about copyright
years might shed some light.

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Re: bad copyright years

2006-11-30 Thread Glenn Morris
Nick Roberts wrote:

 I updated copyright years in the progmodes directory (for 2005 and
 2006). I might have overlooked 1992-2003 but I think I was
 following guidance at the time - I can't remember. Discussion on
 emacs-devel in 2005 about copyright years might shed some light.

Snippet from message from rms to emacs-devel:

Subject: Simpler rules for copyright notices
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 17:58:24 -0500

[...]

Do not abbreviate the year list using a range; for instance, do not
write @samp{1996--1998}; instead, write @samp{1996, 1997, 1998}.



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Re: bad copyright years

2006-11-30 Thread Nick Roberts
   I updated copyright years in the progmodes directory (for 2005 and
   2006). I might have overlooked 1992-2003 but I think I was
   following guidance at the time - I can't remember. Discussion on
   emacs-devel in 2005 about copyright years might shed some light.
  
  Snippet from message from rms to emacs-devel:
  
  Subject: Simpler rules for copyright notices
  Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 17:58:24 -0500
  
  [...]
  
  Do not abbreviate the year list using a range; for instance, do not
  write @samp{1996--1998}; instead, write @samp{1996, 1997, 1998}.

I didn't abbreviate the year list, it was already abbreviated.  IANAL but
how about the paragraph before that one:

If you copy a file into the package from some other program, keep the
copyright years that come with the file.

All the files you mention, apart from vhdl-mode.el, are from CC mode.

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Re: bad copyright years

2006-11-30 Thread Glenn Morris
Richard Stallman wrote:

 Should things of the form 1992-2003 be expanded to every member
 year?

 That is an interesting question.  I don't think CC mode was part
 of Emacs during all those years.  When did it become part of Emacs?
 And what copyright years did it have then?

The CVS repository for cc-mode.el (from the cc-mode website) shows
that the statements This file is part of GNU Emacs and Copyright FSF
were added in 1992.

http://cc-mode.cvs.sourceforge.net/cc-mode/cc-mode/cc-mode.el?r1=2.193r2=2.194
http://cc-mode.cvs.sourceforge.net/cc-mode/cc-mode/cc-mode.el?r1=2.192r2=2.193

I also see there that the Copyright years 1992-1998 were all listed
explicitly at one point, then in 1999 got changed to the compact
form. So it seems pretty clear they should be put back.


A few other files have odd Copyright notices, eg

leim/MISC-DIC/CTLau.html
leim/quail/CTLau.el
lisp/international/titdic-cnv.el
lisp/language/thai-word.el

Eg who owns the copyright for thai-word.el in 2006? Who has owned
titdic-cnv.el since 2002?



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Re: bad copyright years

2006-11-30 Thread Nick Roberts
Glenn Morris writes:
IANAL but how about the paragraph before that one:
  
   If you copy a file into the package from some other program, keep the
   copyright years that come with the file.
  
  I think this means don't delete years, not don't reformat the way
  years appear.

I guess it also means list the copyright owners at the time.  

   All the files you mention, apart from vhdl-mode.el, are from CC mode.
  
  Which has been part of Emacs since 1992, it seems.

It gets released separately though, and works with XEmacs from what I
understand e.g

2006-02-24  Alan Mackenzie  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

* CC Mode Update to 5.31.3.

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bad copyright years

2006-11-29 Thread Glenn Morris

These files still have bad Copyright years:

Makefile.in

lisp/progmodes:
cc-align.el
cc-awk.el
cc-cmds.el
cc-compat.el
cc-defs.el
cc-engine.el
cc-langs.el
cc-menus.el
cc-mode.el
cc-styles.el
cc-vars.el
vhdl-mode.el


Should things of the form 1992-2003 be expanded to every member
year?



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