Re: [Emc-developers] Got an almost show stopper buglet in the most recent 2.8.0-pre

2015-08-11 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 11 August 2015 05:16:55 andy pugh wrote:

 On 11 August 2015 at 01:45, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote:
  Thats tomorrows project, while I am mulling whether or not I make
  the jig, either air driven to bring it in or out, or, if I can
  figure out how to drive a cdroms tray motor to flip it down or up
  electrically.

 How about a rotary solenoid?
 http://www.ebay.com/itm/111625860989

Thats another possibility Andy, but that one, levered out to flip this 
bit of Mahogany, would have to be pretty stout in order to make its 45 
degrees move the gauge close to 120 degrees.  Its 3/8 thick, 1.75 
wide, and about a foot long, swinging on a stick of piano hinge about 
that same length.  Currently lays flat on the top of the white ash 
clamping platform when in the use position, or flips back out of the way 
by about a 170 degrees total turn of the piano hinge.

Thats one of the reasons I was looking at a teeny double acting air 
cylinder with perhaps a 3 stroke, or the cd tray gear assembly mounted 
out on the end of the table with a plastic hose serving as the relay 
medium from its final reduction gear to a 1/4 dowel set into the end of 
the stick, near the hinge, driven by a geared way down tray motor 
assembly would adequately handle the axis of rotation miss-alignment 
caused by the dowels small arc motion.  That would, by the time I got it 
boxed up for swarf  saw dust shielding, be about the width of the 
table, an inch thick and 2 tall at the axel output just to get it 
pointed at the stick.  Seems like a lot of box for what I want to do.

Would some pix help?

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: [Emc-developers] Got an almost show stopper buglet in the most recent 2.8.0-pre

2015-08-11 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 11 August 2015 07:58:20 andy pugh wrote:

 On 11 August 2015 at 12:51, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote:
  Thats another possibility Andy, but that one, levered out to flip
  this bit of Mahogany, would have to be pretty stout in order to make
  its 45 degrees move the gauge close to 120 degrees.  Its 3/8 thick,
  1.75 wide, and about a foot long, swinging on a stick of piano
  hinge about that same length.

 I had anticipated a small sensor, not a drawbridge.

 Are you sure that a chain and windlass wouldn't be more appropriate?

 :-)

Don't bite down too hard Andy, bitten tongues out in cheeks are slow to 
heal. ;-)

Its that stout because it also has to withstand me putting the end of a 4 
foot piece of Mahogany 1x12 against it, and a glued on gauge block on 
the left to precisely locate the board for machining.  The touch off 
gauge, a 3 contact point brass concoction I soldered up a year ago, is 
screwed  glued to the top face when in gauging position.  Currently I 
am attaching the probe wire to it by hand each time also, which is yet 
another point of failure I intend to do away with by making it a 
permanent connection for the duration that the main jig, about 15 lbs of 
white ash  maple, is secured to the table.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: [Emc-developers] Got an almost show stopper buglet in the most recent 2.8.0-pre

2015-08-10 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 10 August 2015 16:26:18 Gene Heskett wrote:

 To be specific, G92.1 is not clearing #5061, the g54 X offset. 
 Possibly not clearing #5062 or #5063, all of which I use to calibrate
 the machine

 I can code around it as there's nothing to stop me from putting a line
 in the earlier code to clear it.  It works from the MDI interface.

 #5061 = 0.000

And it works in the gcode too.

Except that doesn't stop the positioning error. I go to the MDI and enter 
G1 F5 X0.331, and it runs to nominally -0.887, a bit over an inch from 
where it should be going.  This is immediately after a G92.1.

I think I could use a clue.  We have OOT company we're supposed to meet 
for dinner shortly, so it will be a bit before I get back to a keyboard.

Thanks all.

 The symptoms are a continuously growing X offset in where it goes when
 the program, assuming its at zero, tells it to move to 0.337
 preparatory to executing a G38.2 to find the jig contact, which it
 should find by 0.425, the #5061 thereby recorded then being moved to
 the G54 co-ordinate system.  Instead it was running to a - value about
 3/4 away, and every iteration of the program made the error larger.

 Cheers, Gene Heskett


Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: [Emc-developers] Got an almost show stopper buglet in the most recent 2.8.0-pre

2015-08-10 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 10 August 2015 18:15:42 andy pugh wrote:

 On 10 August 2015 at 21:26, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote:
  To be specific, G92.1 is not clearing #5061, the g54 X offset. 
  Possibly not clearing #5062 or #5063, all of which I use to
  calibrate the machine

 Why do you think that it should?

 The Docs say:

 G92.1 - reset axis offsets to zero and set parameters 5211 - 5219 to
 zero.

And I can't read.  Duh.

 G92.2 - reset axis offsets to zero.

This is 'touch offs' only?

 If you want to reset G54 to Zero the code is:

 G10 L2 P1 X0 Y0 Z0

I'll do that, after homing it all, then relocate my jog doohicky so I can 
drive close to it, then find it with the G38.2's.  That repeatability  
is the general idea of all this.

Thanks Andy.

 Again, from the docs:

 G10 L2 P- axes R-

 P - coordinate system (0-9)

 R - rotation about the Z axis

 G10 L2 offsets the origin of the axes in the coordinate system
 specified to the value of the axis word. The offset is from the
 machine origin established during homing. The offset value will
 replace any current offsets in effect for the coordinate system
 specified. Axis words not used will not be changed.

 Program P0 to P9 to specify which coordinate system to change.


Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: [Emc-developers] Got an almost show stopper buglet in the most recent 2.8.0-pre

2015-08-10 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 10 August 2015 19:52:51 andy pugh wrote:

 On 11 August 2015 at 00:10, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote:
  G92.2 - reset axis offsets to zero.
 
  This is 'touch offs' only?

 No, it is _only_ the G92 offset. (Which you might well not be using)

I think I see.  The previous msg was the magic spell though, and I now 
have that 20 lines of code doing as it is supposed to.  And I have 
relocated the x offset from the jig, to the left edge of the guage 
blocks on the jig, but haven't recalibrated the Y offset just yet.  
Thats tomorrows project, while I am mulling whether or not I make the 
jig, either air driven to bring it in or out, or, if I can figure out 
how to drive a cdroms tray motor to flip it down or up electrically.

So I'm going to go rooting around in the fleabay midden heap for a 
suitable 12 volt air valve and a mini air cylinder.  I have 80 or so psi 
in the garage, so a 1/4 double action cylinder, with a 12 volt driven 
spool valve seems like the simplest way to automate it.

Thank you Andy.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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