RE: 8591EM monitor output

2000-07-25 Thread CARTER

The differences between PAL  NTSC go way beyond modulating RF. Even at
baseband, the monitors will be different  one may not work with the other's
signal. The Frame rate, or vertical interval is different - NTSC based on
North American AC at 60 Hz, as opposed to European 50 Hz, and the Horizontal
sync is different, as a result of being harmonically related to the vertical
sync. There is an issue (probably not with the signals in question) with the
color sub-carrier frequency offset from the video carrier, and the fact that
(because of the aforementioned) the video (baseband) bandwidth for PAL is
much wider than NTSC. A monitor may work with the other format if it is a
little forgiving (has some slop built into the sync'ing circuits). Give it a
shot with whatever is on hand, then go shopping if need be.

IMHO
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Mark Carter
AM Communications, Inc.
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Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 12:24 PM
To: Bailey, Jeff
Cc: 'emc-pstc'; 'brian.mcauli...@tellabs.com'
Subject: RE: 8591EM monitor output



A modulator for PAL is different than NTSC! PAL receivers use different
frequencies and I also think there are other differences!) . However, I
would assume that if you're in a locality that has PAL receivers then you
should be able to easily get a PAL modulator.
Remember also, that most new (last 5 years or so) receivers (at least US
NTSC ones) have a base-band video input (making them also a monitor!), then
you wouldn't need a RF modulator!
Tony
Colorado

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Calling Jim Foppiano

2000-07-25 Thread ChasGrasso

Jim - Please email me chasgra...@ieee.org or
call 303-666-1400 I need to chat with you.

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Re: Rack populating??-Rationalize it !!

2000-07-25 Thread ChasGrasso

Methinks I must protest against the keep adding  until no more
than xdB.
As near as I can tell that was put in place by the FCC and others to minimize
cable bundles - I cannot see how that applies to rack systems. The 
fundamental 
truth is that - no matter how one rationalizes it - if the full system is not
tested then you flat have no idea what the real emissions profile is.

Come on stop rationalizing - admit that there will be systems in the field 
that
fail - and move on. This is a byproduct of volume vs test. The higher the 
volume
the more rationalization takes place (witness the Class B procedures) until
the emissions standards will be rendered irrelevant.

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RE: Rack populating??

2000-07-25 Thread jestuckey

The statement is:

Additional cards of a representative mix will be added until the emissions
do not increase by less than 2 dB.

 JOHN E. STUCKEY
 EMC Engineer
 
 Micron Technology, Inc.
 Integrated Products Group 
 Micron Architectures Lab
 8455 West Emerald St.
 Boise, Idaho 83704
 PH: (208) 363-5313
 FX: (208) 363-5596
 jestuc...@micron.com
 
 


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To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: Rack populating??



I think I read in this forum that - in the context of emissions testing - it
isn't necessary to fully populate a rack with, say, 4 units. Was the premise
that emissions don't sum arithmetically, and the addition of the second,
third units doesn't significantly effect the profile? (Obviously, if the
rack is hermetic to RF, the addition of any number of units does not effect
the profile.) But with allowances for some leakage...

Does anyone a) remeber this thread, or b) have any opinions, or c) know of a
reference

WmFlanigan
Ameritherm Inc
Scottsville, NY

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RE: UL Recognized 24VDC PC Supply

2000-07-25 Thread Compliance

Hi Gary -

Even better...you can search on line at www.ul.com

Brent

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 From: owner-emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf
 Of Gary McInturff
 Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 1:34 PM
 To: 'John Chambors'; 'emc-p...@ieee.org.'
 Subject: RE: UL Recognized 24VDC PC Supply



   If you have a copy of the UL recognized component directory they
 have a gazillion companies that have recognized supplies. I am looking at
 the 2000 edition volume two (CCN QQGQ2)for power supplies used in
 ITE and it
 runs from page 845 to 1274. There are different sections for medical
 equipment and other uses. Its a good place to start hunting.
   Gary

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 Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 9:38 AM
 To: 'emc-p...@ieee.org.'
 Subject: UL Recognized 24VDC PC Supply



 Does anyone know of a good source for a UL Recognized 24VDC PC
 Supply? It's
 not too difficult to find 24VDC input power supplies, but finding one that
 is UL recognized is another matter. I'm trying to get a product certified
 for use in hazardous locations.

 Thanks,

 John Chambors
 Senior Engineer

 Nematron Corp.
 Tel:  (734) 214-2021
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RE: 8591EM monitor output

2000-07-25 Thread Tony J. O'Hara

A modulator for PAL is different than NTSC! PAL receivers use different
frequencies and I also think there are other differences!) . However, I
would assume that if you're in a locality that has PAL receivers then you
should be able to easily get a PAL modulator.
Remember also, that most new (last 5 years or so) receivers (at least US
NTSC ones) have a base-band video input (making them also a monitor!), then
you wouldn't need a RF modulator!
Tony
Colorado

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RE: 8591EM monitor output

2000-07-25 Thread Bailey, Jeff

Yes, they will spit out PAL format, but again it will be unmodulated so
I suppose you will need baseband inputs or a modulator as I do.

Jeff

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Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 4:12 AM
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Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org
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Does anybody know if the 8590 series can spit out PAL format ? and if 
the same modulator would do the job ?

Brian
Tellabs

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Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject:Re: 8591EM monitor output


Jeff:

Radio Shack sells an RF modulator that will do the job. If you feed it 
to a
VCR you can also record the results as well as view it on a TV set.  As
mentioned, it produces NTSC compatible video on CH3 or 4.  Price should 
be
around $25. U.S.


Ralph Cameron
EMC Consulting and Suppression of Consumer Electronics
(after sale).

- Original Message -
From: Scott Lacey sco...@world.std.com
To: Jim Bacher jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com
Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 6:29 PM
Subject: RE: 8591EM monitor output



 Jeff,
 I think the piece of hardware you need is an RF Modulator. These 
output
your
 video on Channel 3 (sometimes switchable to channel 4). Should be
available
 for $25-$50 dollars. Try MCM Electronics (800 543-4330)if you can't 
find
one
 locally. The one I have is their P/N 33-1480 Audio/Video Modulator. 
It is
 about 3 x 5 x 1, with an attached (120V) line cord, and a switch to
 select CH3/CH4.

 Scott Lacey

 -Original Message-
 From: owner-emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@ieee.org]On 
Behalf
 Of Jim Bacher
 Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 3:42 PM
 To: Bailey; Jeff; 'emc-pstc'
 Subject: Fwd:8591EM monitor output



 forwarding for Jeff.

 Reply Separator
 Subject:8591EM monitor output
 Author: Bailey; Jeff jbai...@mysst.com
 Date:   7/24/00 12:06 PM

 Hello all,

 Have any of you successfully hooked up a television to an HP8590 
series
EMC
 analyzer?  The monitor output does provide NTSC format, I am now 
assuming
 that I need to provide a carrier for the monitor output to ride on in
order
 for the TV to see the NTSC signal and know what to do with it.  Is 
there
an
 easier way to do this than to build my own modulator?

 Thanks,

 Jeff Bailey
 Compliance Engineering
 SST - A Division of Woodhead Canada
 Phone: (519) 725 5136 ext. 363
 Fax: (519) 725 1515
 Email: jbai...@sstech.on.ca
 Web: www.sstech.on.ca

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Re: Rack populating??

2000-07-25 Thread Lfresearch

In an experiment we performed using a 16 slot rack we determined that the 
noise floor level increased with the number of cards we added to the system. 
But we also observed that the spectral line associated with the primary 
clocks on eack card did not increas significantly as more cards were added.

We finally ran the test with 4 cards as a good compromise.

Derek.

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RE: 8591EM monitor output

2000-07-25 Thread Michael Taylor

You can pick up a not feeling well or dead - older VCR in thrift shops or
garage sales for 2-5 dollars.  Most all of them had packaged modulators
inside.  A check of the modulator by connection to a TV and checking for
sync is advisable. Remember to measure the voltage prior to ripping it out
of the unit or proceed with caution as some of them I have encountered use
odd voltages (3.8 to 11 volts).  Good hunting  //M. Taylor - (Dodging fires
in Colorado)

-Original Message-
From: Ralph Cameron [mailto:ral...@igs.net]
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 9:16 PM
To: Scott Lacey; Jim Bacher
Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: Re: 8591EM monitor output



Jeff:

Radio Shack sells an RF modulator that will do the job. If you feed it to a
VCR you can also record the results as well as view it on a TV set.  As
mentioned, it produces NTSC compatible video on CH3 or 4.  Price should be
around $25. U.S.


Ralph Cameron
EMC Consulting and Suppression of Consumer Electronics
(after sale).

- Original Message -
From: Scott Lacey sco...@world.std.com
To: Jim Bacher jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com
Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 6:29 PM
Subject: RE: 8591EM monitor output



 Jeff,
 I think the piece of hardware you need is an RF Modulator. These output
your
 video on Channel 3 (sometimes switchable to channel 4). Should be
available
 for $25-$50 dollars. Try MCM Electronics (800 543-4330)if you can't find
one
 locally. The one I have is their P/N 33-1480 Audio/Video Modulator. It is
 about 3 x 5 x 1, with an attached (120V) line cord, and a switch to
 select CH3/CH4.

 Scott Lacey

 -Original Message-
 From: owner-emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf
 Of Jim Bacher
 Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 3:42 PM
 To: Bailey; Jeff; 'emc-pstc'
 Subject: Fwd:8591EM monitor output



 forwarding for Jeff.

 Reply Separator
 Subject:8591EM monitor output
 Author: Bailey; Jeff jbai...@mysst.com
 Date:   7/24/00 12:06 PM

 Hello all,

 Have any of you successfully hooked up a television to an HP8590 series
EMC
 analyzer?  The monitor output does provide NTSC format, I am now assuming
 that I need to provide a carrier for the monitor output to ride on in
order
 for the TV to see the NTSC signal and know what to do with it.  Is there
an
 easier way to do this than to build my own modulator?

 Thanks,

 Jeff Bailey
 Compliance Engineering
 SST - A Division of Woodhead Canada
 Phone: (519) 725 5136 ext. 363
 Fax: (519) 725 1515
 Email: jbai...@sstech.on.ca
 Web: www.sstech.on.ca

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RE: 8591EM monitor output

2000-07-25 Thread Brian . McAuliffe

Does anybody know if the 8590 series can spit out PAL format ? and if 
the same modulator would do the job ?

Brian
Tellabs

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Sent:   Tuesday, July 25, 2000 4:16 AM
To: sco...@world.std.com; jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com
Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject:Re: 8591EM monitor output


Jeff:

Radio Shack sells an RF modulator that will do the job. If you feed it 
to a
VCR you can also record the results as well as view it on a TV set.  As
mentioned, it produces NTSC compatible video on CH3 or 4.  Price should 
be
around $25. U.S.


Ralph Cameron
EMC Consulting and Suppression of Consumer Electronics
(after sale).

- Original Message -
From: Scott Lacey sco...@world.std.com
To: Jim Bacher jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com
Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 6:29 PM
Subject: RE: 8591EM monitor output



 Jeff,
 I think the piece of hardware you need is an RF Modulator. These 
output
your
 video on Channel 3 (sometimes switchable to channel 4). Should be
available
 for $25-$50 dollars. Try MCM Electronics (800 543-4330)if you can't 
find
one
 locally. The one I have is their P/N 33-1480 Audio/Video Modulator. 
It is
 about 3 x 5 x 1, with an attached (120V) line cord, and a switch to
 select CH3/CH4.

 Scott Lacey

 -Original Message-
 From: owner-emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@ieee.org]On 
Behalf
 Of Jim Bacher
 Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 3:42 PM
 To: Bailey; Jeff; 'emc-pstc'
 Subject: Fwd:8591EM monitor output



 forwarding for Jeff.

 Reply Separator
 Subject:8591EM monitor output
 Author: Bailey; Jeff jbai...@mysst.com
 Date:   7/24/00 12:06 PM

 Hello all,

 Have any of you successfully hooked up a television to an HP8590 
series
EMC
 analyzer?  The monitor output does provide NTSC format, I am now 
assuming
 that I need to provide a carrier for the monitor output to ride on in
order
 for the TV to see the NTSC signal and know what to do with it.  Is 
there
an
 easier way to do this than to build my own modulator?

 Thanks,

 Jeff Bailey
 Compliance Engineering
 SST - A Division of Woodhead Canada
 Phone: (519) 725 5136 ext. 363
 Fax: (519) 725 1515
 Email: jbai...@sstech.on.ca
 Web: www.sstech.on.ca

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Re: 8591EM monitor output

2000-07-25 Thread Ralph Cameron

Jeff:

Radio Shack sells an RF modulator that will do the job. If you feed it to a
VCR you can also record the results as well as view it on a TV set.  As
mentioned, it produces NTSC compatible video on CH3 or 4.  Price should be
around $25. U.S.


Ralph Cameron
EMC Consulting and Suppression of Consumer Electronics
(after sale).

- Original Message -
From: Scott Lacey sco...@world.std.com
To: Jim Bacher jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com
Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 6:29 PM
Subject: RE: 8591EM monitor output



 Jeff,
 I think the piece of hardware you need is an RF Modulator. These output
your
 video on Channel 3 (sometimes switchable to channel 4). Should be
available
 for $25-$50 dollars. Try MCM Electronics (800 543-4330)if you can't find
one
 locally. The one I have is their P/N 33-1480 Audio/Video Modulator. It is
 about 3 x 5 x 1, with an attached (120V) line cord, and a switch to
 select CH3/CH4.

 Scott Lacey

 -Original Message-
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 Of Jim Bacher
 Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 3:42 PM
 To: Bailey; Jeff; 'emc-pstc'
 Subject: Fwd:8591EM monitor output



 forwarding for Jeff.

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 Subject:8591EM monitor output
 Author: Bailey; Jeff jbai...@mysst.com
 Date:   7/24/00 12:06 PM

 Hello all,

 Have any of you successfully hooked up a television to an HP8590 series
EMC
 analyzer?  The monitor output does provide NTSC format, I am now assuming
 that I need to provide a carrier for the monitor output to ride on in
order
 for the TV to see the NTSC signal and know what to do with it.  Is there
an
 easier way to do this than to build my own modulator?

 Thanks,

 Jeff Bailey
 Compliance Engineering
 SST - A Division of Woodhead Canada
 Phone: (519) 725 5136 ext. 363
 Fax: (519) 725 1515
 Email: jbai...@sstech.on.ca
 Web: www.sstech.on.ca

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RE: UL Recognized 24VDC PC Supply

2000-07-25 Thread Mel Pedersen

Hello:

QQPX2 would be the UL category you should check.  ITE or other type power
supplies will not do for a hazardous location.

There are many things one needs to consider when dealing with Explosive
Atmospheres not considered in ITE or other safety standards.

Listed under QQPX2 are:

Diversified Technical Services
1400 Distributors Row
Harahan  LA  70123

Sola/Hevi-Duty
Unit of General Signal
1101 S Wells Street
Lake Geneva  W1  53147

Vicor Corp
25 Frontage Road
Andover  MA  01810


Hope this helps,


Mel Pedersen
Homolgations Engineer
Ph:  (605) 882-8535
mailto:mpeder...@midcom-inc.com

-Original Message-
From: Gary McInturff [mailto:gary.mcintu...@worldwidepackets.com]
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 3:34 PM
To: 'John Chambors'; 'emc-p...@ieee.org.'
Subject: RE: UL Recognized 24VDC PC Supply



If you have a copy of the UL recognized component directory they
have a gazillion companies that have recognized supplies. I am looking at
the 2000 edition volume two (CCN QQGQ2)for power supplies used in ITE and it
runs from page 845 to 1274. There are different sections for medical
equipment and other uses. Its a good place to start hunting.
Gary

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From: John Chambors [mailto:john.chamb...@nematron.com]
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 9:38 AM
To: 'emc-p...@ieee.org.'
Subject: UL Recognized 24VDC PC Supply



Does anyone know of a good source for a UL Recognized 24VDC PC Supply? It's
not too difficult to find 24VDC input power supplies, but finding one that
is UL recognized is another matter. I'm trying to get a product certified
for use in hazardous locations.

Thanks,

John Chambors
Senior Engineer

Nematron Corp.
Tel:  (734) 214-2021
Fax: (734) 994-8408


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