RE: CE Mark
Okay, now how about CB Gary -Original Message- From: Jody Leber [mailto:jle...@ustech-lab.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:13 AM To: 'emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org' Subject: CE Mark Update on what CE stands for according to the compliance community: 1. Conformite Europeene: 3 votes 2. Communaute European:2 votes 3. One of the above (undecided): 1 votes 4. No meaning: 1 vote Keep the answers coming. Best Regards, Jody Leber Laboratory Manager jle...@ustech-lab.com http://www.ustech-lab.com U. S. Technologies 3505 Francis Circle Alpharetta, GA 30004 770.740.0717 Fax: 770.740.1508 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Cancellation of Tonight's IEEE SCV EMC Chapter's Social meeting
Regrettably and out of respect for National events, the annual Social Event and Festivities are hereby cancelled. Our sincere condolences to those with affected families. The Technical presentation program will resume as usual on the second Tuesday of October. Regards Hans Mellberg Chair, Santa Clara Valley Chapter of IEEEs EMC Society __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
CE Mark
Update on what CE stands for according to the compliance community: 1. Conformite Europeene: 3 votes 2. Communaute European:2 votes 3. One of the above (undecided): 1 votes 4. No meaning: 1 vote Keep the answers coming. Best Regards, Jody Leber Laboratory Manager jle...@ustech-lab.com http://www.ustech-lab.com U. S. Technologies 3505 Francis Circle Alpharetta, GA 30004 770.740.0717 Fax: 770.740.1508 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Re: CE Mark
The correct French spelling for the English equivalent of community is communaute with an accent on the last e, according to my French dictionary. Ralph Cameron EMC Consulting and Suppression of Consumer Electronics (after sale) - Original Message - From: geor...@lexmark.com To: Jody Leber jle...@ustech-lab.com Cc: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 8:23 AM Subject: Re: CE Mark Jody, I seem to recall that CE is for European Community but in Frech, i.e. Communite European. You can try looking around the EU website: http://europa.eu.int/comm/enterprise/newapproach/legislation/guide/legislati on.htm George Jody Leber jleber%ustech-lab@interlock.lexmark.com on 09/11/2001 07:30:53 AM Please respond to Jody Leber jleber%ustech-lab@interlock.lexmark.com To: 'emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org' emc-pstc%majordomo.ieee@interlock.lexmark.com cc:(bcc: George Alspaugh/Lex/Lexmark) Subject: CE Mark Is there an offcial website that defines what the CE actually stands for? I believe it is Conformite Europeene, however I have seen other definitions. I seached the europa site but did not have any luck. Best Regards, Jody Leber Laboratory Manager jle...@ustech-lab.com http://www.ustech-lab.com U. S. Technologies 3505 Francis Circle Alpharetta, GA 30004 770.740.0717 Fax: 770.740.1508 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Re: CE Mark
Hi Jody According to sources within the European Commission the letters CE now have no meaning. Communitie European seems to have been assumed from the inception of the directives but now CE means CE. Slainté Mhath William McCafferty Safety Quality Manager Nikon Precision Europe Tel:00 44 (0)1506 405465 Mobile: 00 44 (0)411 208 988 Fax:00 44 (0)1506 464 411 Jody Leber jle...@ustech-lab.com on 11/09/2001 12:30:53 Please respond to Jody Leber jle...@ustech-lab.com To: 'emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org' emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org cc:(bcc: William McCafferty/LIV/NPEUROPE.COM) Subject: CE Mark Is there an offcial website that defines what the CE actually stands for? I believe it is Conformite Europeene, however I have seen other definitions. I seached the europa site but did not have any luck. Best Regards, Jody Leber Laboratory Manager jle...@ustech-lab.com http://www.ustech-lab.com U. S. Technologies 3505 Francis Circle Alpharetta, GA 30004 770.740.0717 Fax: 770.740.1508 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
RE: CE Mark
I have kept this link handy in case anyone ever asked me what CE stood for. http://www.conformance.co.uk/CE_MARKING/CELOGO/ce_logo.html John Juhasz Fiber Options Bohemia, NY -Original Message- From: Jody Leber [mailto:jle...@ustech-lab.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 7:31 AM To: 'emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org' Subject: CE Mark Is there an offcial website that defines what the CE actually stands for? I believe it is Conformite Europeene, however I have seen other definitions. I seached the europa site but did not have any luck. Best Regards, Jody Leber Laboratory Manager jle...@ustech-lab.com http://www.ustech-lab.com U. S. Technologies 3505 Francis Circle Alpharetta, GA 30004 770.740.0717 Fax: 770.740.1508 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Re: CE Mark
Jody, I seem to recall that CE is for European Community but in Frech, i.e. Communite European. You can try looking around the EU website: http://europa.eu.int/comm/enterprise/newapproach/legislation/guide/legislation.htm George Jody Leber jleber%ustech-lab@interlock.lexmark.com on 09/11/2001 07:30:53 AM Please respond to Jody Leber jleber%ustech-lab@interlock.lexmark.com To: 'emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org' emc-pstc%majordomo.ieee@interlock.lexmark.com cc:(bcc: George Alspaugh/Lex/Lexmark) Subject: CE Mark Is there an offcial website that defines what the CE actually stands for? I believe it is Conformite Europeene, however I have seen other definitions. I seached the europa site but did not have any luck. Best Regards, Jody Leber Laboratory Manager jle...@ustech-lab.com http://www.ustech-lab.com U. S. Technologies 3505 Francis Circle Alpharetta, GA 30004 770.740.0717 Fax: 770.740.1508 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
RE: CE Mark
Jody, CE is an abbreviation of a French phrase Conformite Europeene. I have seen this on multiple websites but here is one for reference. http://www.ce-mark.com/cedoc.html Regards, Mark --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Re: Standard 3-Phase Voltages in Brazil
Doug The most common 3-phase voltage here in Brazil is 127V phase/neutral (220V phase/phase). Some states have 220V phase/neutral (380V phase/phase). All 60Hz. More information can be found at www.aneel.gov.br (national agency of electric power). Sérgio Rocha Loures Siemens Ltda. - Brazil Supply Chain - Quality and Engineering IC SC QE L Tel: +55 41 341-5755 Fax: +55 41 341-5058 E-mail: sergioro...@siemens.com.br POWELL, DOUG doug.pow...@aei.com 10/09/01 14:26 Hello group, I am interested in learning what is standard 3-phase power for Brazil. Probably in the 120/208V range similar to North America. Any help is appreciated.. -doug = Douglas E. Powell Regulatory Compliance Engineer Advanced Energy Industries, Inc. 1625 Sharp Point Dr. Ft. Collins, Co 80525 mailto:doug.pow...@aei.com http://www.advanced-energy.com/ = --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
CE Mark
Is there an offcial website that defines what the CE actually stands for? I believe it is Conformite Europeene, however I have seen other definitions. I seached the europa site but did not have any luck. Best Regards, Jody Leber Laboratory Manager jle...@ustech-lab.com http://www.ustech-lab.com U. S. Technologies 3505 Francis Circle Alpharetta, GA 30004 770.740.0717 Fax: 770.740.1508 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
RE: EU Parliament Unexpectedly Votes to Ban BDEs
Hi folks There appear to be a number of documents published this year on related subjects Try this Search Engine URL http://www3.europarl.eu.int/omk/omnsapir.so/pv2?PRG=TITREAPP=PV2LANGUE=EN; TYPEF=TITREYEAR=01Find=restrictionsFILE=BIBLIOPLAGE=1 The key word restrictions in the arguement provides a list of about 6 documents. Regards John Allen -Original Message- From: wo...@sensormatic.com [mailto:wo...@sensormatic.com] Sent: 10 September 2001 18:30 To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: EU Parliament Unexpectedly Votes to Ban BDEs The EU Parliament voted 6 Sept. to expand the ban on brominated flame retardants (BFR's) to include pentaBDE's, octa BDE's and deccaBDE's. The ban would be effective by 2003 rather than the previously proposed 2007 contained in the draft Restrictions on Substances Directive. Check: http://www.europarl.eu.int/plenary/default_en.htm http://www.europarl.eu.int/plenary/default_en.htm Question: are any of these BFRs commonly used today as flame retardants in wire, cable and plastics? --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Re: Standard 3-Phase Voltages in Brazil
Doug, I am attaching an e-mail posted to this group some time back in 1999. To add to that e-mail, a colleague from South America explained to me long ago that many towns close to another border may be actually connected to the other country's power grid and not their own if they are much further away from their own grid. It all depends. Note the however it is possible clause in the attached e-mail. taniagr...@msn.com - Original Message - From: POWELL, DOUG Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 9:24 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Cc: ADENSAM, JAMES Subject: Standard 3-Phase Voltages in Brazil Hello group, I am interested in learning what is standard 3-phase power for Brazil. Probably in the 120/208V range similar to North America. Any help is appreciated.. -doug = Douglas E. Powell Regulatory Compliance Engineer Advanced Energy Industries, Inc. 1625 Sharp Point Dr. Ft. Collins, Co 80525 mailto:doug.pow...@aei.com http://www.advanced-energy.com/ = --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. Electrical power tolerance.doc Description: MS-Word document
Re: UL vs CSA (IT product)
Regarding the issue how well the CSA NRTL mark is acceptable in the U.S. and how well the cUL mark is acceptable in Canada;-- this is where it really pays to know and understand your customer. CSA for many many years now has a very heavy advertising campaign in Canada that only products that are CSA Certified are safe to use by the consumer. I seriously doubt that today they also include the cUL mark in the same ad! Thus, the conscientious Canadian consumer would probably not recognize the cUL Listing mark. On the other hand, in my previous job we were shipping equipment to Bell Canada and other big enterprise customers with the cUL mark with absolutely no problem. I have also seen UL acceptance of the CSA mark with no problem. My gut feel is that UL would accept the CSA mark before they would accept another NRTL mark, but I have no proof of this statement. As far as the U.S. consumer is concerned, my gut feel (and also with no proof) is that 97% of them could care less what markings are on the equipment they buy. Several of my peers at work ever so often drop buy and announce to me proudly that they purchased something that had the UL/CSA/CE or whatever appropriate markings on the product. The reason that they are proud is because the recognized something I was telling them about previously. And how often does this happen?? Know and find out what your costumer wants and expects. taniagr...@msn.com - Original Message - From: geor...@lexmark.com Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 11:41 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: UL vs CSA (IT product) Amund, I believe some additional clarification is warranted. UL and CSA are private agencies and do not determine what is acceptable to market goods (ITE) in their respective countries. This is determined by government bodies. The U.S. OSHA has approved multiple Nationally Recognized Testing Laboratories to (NRTLs) to perform testing to the UL standards for ITE. These include UL and CSA. See: http://www.osha-slc.gov/dts/otpca/nrtl/index.html The Standards Council of Canada has approved multiple Certification Bodies to perform testing to the CSA standards for ITE. These include UL and CSA. See http://www.scc.ca/certific/colist_e.html Neither UL nor CSA is obliged to recognize or accept testing performed by the other agency, although their respective governments do so. Canada requires either CSA, c-UL, or marks of the other listed certification bodies. U.S. requires UL, CSA/NRTL, or marks of the other listed NRTLs. So, you can use either agency to get a mark acceptable in both countries. However, here is the down side of each: CSA/NRTL--Not as well known in the U.S. by large corporate customers. Requires some selling to convince that it is equal to UL. c-UL--OK for both country consumer/business markets, but Canadian government tends to give precidence to CSA marked ITE when bidding for its own use. George Alspaugh Lexmark International Inc. Ralph Cameron ralphc%igs@interlock.lexmark.com on 09/10/2001 09:33:00 AM Please respond to Ralph Cameron ralphc%igs@interlock.lexmark.com To: Horst Haug innova.ps%t-online...@interlock.lexmark.com, Peter Merguerian pmerguerian%itl.co...@interlock.lexmark.com, amund%westin@interlock.lexmark.com, emc-pstc%majordomo.ieee@interlock.lexmark.com cc:(bcc: George Alspaugh/Lex/Lexmark) Subject: Re: UL vs CSA (IT product) CSA accepts approval by ULC. The C is indicative of Canadian UL. UL is normally not accpetable by itself in Canada Ralph Cameron EMC Consulting and Suppresion of Consumer Electronics (after sale) - Original Message - From: Horst Haug innova...@t-online.de To: Peter Merguerian pmerguer...@itl.co.il; am...@westin.org; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 5:24 AM Subject: AW: UL vs CSA (IT product) Amund, UL accept components approved by CSA and CSA accepts components approved by UL. A CSA approved Power Supply within an end product with UL approval is no problem any more (that is my experience). The UL PAG practical application guide about is 1.5.002. I send it to you in a separate EMAIL. With best regards Horst Haug -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]Im Auftrag von Peter Merguerian Gesendet: Montag, 10. September 2001 09:44 An: 'am...@westin.org'; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Betreff: RE: UL vs CSA (IT product) Amend, See my answers in body of your message. UL and/or CSA certification are mandatory within the electrical safety area,to have access to the US and Canadian marked. Right ? I know there are some differences between them, the certification fee, the certification-handling period and the number of audit/year. My questions are: 1.Do they have the same status? Peter: Yes, to a certain extent. You must check the scope of their acceditations in OSHA's and
RE: STP vs FTP Ethernet cables (2)
In fact a standard for 150 Ohms STP cable does exist but is intended for FDDI Token Ring applications, to which the ANSI X3.263 standard applies, and I assume not for Ethernet. Maybe the story I heard was about someone who used this type of cable for Ethernet. Although it was a logical guess, the 150 ohms value is not from the combination of the 100 ohm characteristic impedance and the 50 ohm output from equipment. Sorry for the confusion, Eric -Original Message- From: KC CHAN [PDD] [SMTP:kcc...@hkpc.org] Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 8:52 PM To: pronc...@cisco.com; james_al...@milgo.com Cc: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject:RE: STP vs FTP Ethernet cables (2) I guess this 150 ohms is from the combination of the 100 ohm characteristic impedance and the 50 ohm output form equipment, like the power amplifier for conducted immunity test. Allan, James james_al...@milgo.com 09/07/01 09:03pm Paolo: Try this link to Quabbin wire company. It is a product selector guide with the types of wire used for different applications. All Ethernet applications are 100 ohm characteristic impedance and only have overall shields if shielded. Telecom cable (T1, DSL etc.) if shielded, are also 100 ohm but the shield (if present) is over the individual wire pairs with no overall shield. I find no reference to standard Ethernet cable at 150 ohms. LINK http://www.quabbin.com/finder/finder.cgi?cmd=app_form Jim Allan Manager, Engineering Services Nextira Solutions LLC 1619 N Harrison Parkway Sunrise, FL, 33323 E-mail james_al...@milgo.com Phone (954) 846-3720 Fax (954) 846-6282 -Original Message- From: Paolo Roncone [SMTP:pronc...@cisco.com] Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 5:28 AM To: Meunier, Eric Cc: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: STP vs FTP Ethernet cables (2) Eric, this 150 ohm story of STP cables sounds completely new to me. Also, my understanding is that both UTP and STP are used for 10bT ethernet. In the STP definition of IEEE802.3, there is no mention about different characteristic impedances from the required 100ohm of 10bT. Unfortunately I haven't yet received an answer to my original question as to how STP cables should be actually made (shielded twisted pairs vs overall shield) . As I already said in previous e-mails, the STP cables that I got look pretty much the same as FTP cables, that is they have just an overall shield (aluminum foil) around all wires. And they are all declared to be 100 ohms. Paolo At 16:56 06/09/2001 -0400, you wrote: Paolo, You may want to check if the FTP cable has a 100 Ohms characteristic impedance which would make it compatible with interfaces designed for UTP cable. STP cable is supposed to have a 150 Ohms impedance which is not compatible with standard 10baseT interfaces which are usually designed for UTP. Eric === Eric Meunier Hardware Architect E-mail: eric.meun...@ca.kontron.com mailto:emeun...@teknor.com Kontron Communication Inc. (Teknor) 616, rue Cure-Boivin Boisbriand, Quebec Canada, J7G 2A7 Tel: 1-450-437-4661 ext. 2419 Fax: 1-450-437-8053 Web: http://www.teknor.com/ http://www.teknor.com/ -Original Message- From: Paolo Roncone [SMTP:pronc...@cisco.com] Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 4:18 AM To: Doug McKean Cc: EMC-PSTC Discussion Group Subject:Re: STP vs FTP Ethernet cables (2) Doug, I re-paste the first part of the definition in IEEE 802.3 (2000): 1.4.249 shielded twisted-pair (STP)cable: An electrically conducting cable,comprising one or more ele- ments,each of which is individually shielded.There may be an overall shield,in which case the cable is referred to as
