Re: FW: ERO Newsflash No 30

[John Woodgate]

I read in !emc-pstc that Leslie Bai  wrote (in
<20020214191203.56528.qm...@web10908.mail.yahoo.com>) about 'FW: ERO
Newsflash No 30', on Thu, 14 Feb 2002:
>I am wondering why EN 301 893 (BRAN HIPERLAN TYPE 2, Harmonized EN 
>covering essential requirements of article 3.2 of the R&TTE 
>Directive) was not listed as specific standards (REC 70-03, Page 
>11), and only ETS 300 836-1 (HIPERLAN TYPE 1) was there. 
>
>Also, on Page 34, Annex 3: LAN, RLAN and HIPERLAN, Frequency band b 
>(5150-5350MHz) should be covered by EN 301 893, not ETS 300 836 
>which covers 5150-5300MHz, HIPERLAN TYPE 1. 
>
>I thought, EN 301 893 should be included as a specific standards 
>listed on Page 11, and also as a Harmonized stanadard listed on 
>Page 34 (Annex 3) to cover frequency band b. 
>
>What do you think? 
>

I think you should take these points up through your national standards
committee, which I can't determine because of the anonymising effects of
your e-mail address and the group protocols.
-- 
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Re: Existing EN50082-1 approved products

[John Woodgate]

I read in !emc-pstc that douglas_beckw...@mitel.com wrote (in
<85256b60.0068f0e2...@kanmta01.software.mitel.com>) about 'Existing
EN50082-1 approved products', on Thu, 14 Feb 2002:
>So far everyone has supported
>my position, that re-test is required and a declaration to EN50082-1 is no
>longer valid.

This does NOT apply to product that the manufacturer has released into
the supply chain on or before the deadline date. 'Release into the
supply chain' has been interpreted that the manufacturer has no
immediate contact with the product, i.e. it is not in a distribution
outlet or storage under his control.
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Re: LVD - Test lab in EU

[Kevin Keegan]

Try KTL in the U.K.

Regards

Kevin Keegan
KES & Associates
- Original Message -
From: 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 1:20 PM
Subject: LVD - Test lab in EU


>
> Hi all,
>
> We are searching for a test lab in Europe, which can carry out electrical
> safety tests on a Residual current monitor (earth fault detector).
>
> We assume that electrical safety on this unit is covered by the harmonized
> LVD standard EN62020:1998/IEC62020:1998 Electrical accessories - Residual
> current monitors for household and similar uses (RCMs).
>
> Been in contact with DEMKO/UL (Denmark), SEMKO (Sweden), SP (Sweden) and
> NEMKO (Norway), but it seems that they have problems with this standard.
>
> Any suggestion of other relevant test labs in EU?
>  and contact persons, please ...
>
>
> Best regards
> Amund Westin, Oslo/Norway
>
>
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RE: [URGENT] Need some information about NEBS..

[Gregg Kervill]

My experience is much the same - USE A STRUCTURED APPROACH - Identify the
Need - plan to Do what is Necessary for your product - CONFIRM THE NEED
before commitment.
 
Best regards
 
Gregg
 
PLEASE NOTE:

We are currently experiencing serious problems with our service provider
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[mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Robert Wilson
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 1:38 PM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: [URGENT] Need some information about NEBS..


Without getting into details, the main point is that it is brutal (and even
that is an understatement), and it is expensive. A full-on test involves
everything from EMI compliance, to earthquake testing, to flame and fire
tests. Costs can easily run to US$100,000 and time to do the test can range
from 6 weeks to months. There are several independent test labs in the US
that can do the testing. I have not personally put any equipment through
NEBS, but last spring I spent a couple of days at a test lab in the San
Francisco Bay area  (MET Labs)  looking at their capabilities and how NEBS
would impact the design of  our  telecom power electronics equipment.
Perhaps others with more actual testing experience may be able to fill in
the details.

Bob Wilson.



<>

RE: Creating a Reliability Department

[Matt Kilkenny]

>3) Reliability in manufacturing would not constitute a conflict of interest
>as compliance could. Compliance is more like an unbiased judge where
>Reliability provides input to improve products to make them more robust.

I respectfully disagree with Paul. While I'm sure there are some reliability
functions that are effective working in engineering or manufacturing (i.e.
that management really understands the importance and makes it a priority),
I believe it's the exception not the rule.  The reliability function
generally should report to an organization independent of manufacturing and
engineering. This ensures honesty in decion making by making sure all
viewpoints are really considered and can be taken all the way to the CEO if
the issue is important enough and won't be stifled by an executive who
really has a different agenda. Or stopping a part that's being pushed
through the ECO process before Reliability has their time to evaluate the
part.  We all know the game...If you have reliability buried in
manufacturing such as the quality organization usually is, input from R&Q
are usually overriden because management in mfg is evaluated on quantity and
not quality/reliability of design. Evaluating on Quality is usually nothing
more than lip service and bad news will get filtered up.  Reliability is no
different than how most compliance organizations should be set up, IMO. 

Matthew Kilkenny
Reliability Engineer



-Original Message-
From: Darrell Locke [mailto:dlo...@advanced-input.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 10:44 AM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: FW: Creating a Reliability Department



Forwarding for Paul

Darrell Locke

-Original Message-
From: Paul Paroff 
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 7:44 AM
To: Darrell Locke
Subject: RE: Creating a Reliability Department


1) From the Manufacturing side I would study warranty and other returns,
customer complaints, and field service and repairs. So you may need a
database to organize and the means to collect the data. From there I would
find the top 5 to 10 most frequent and most expensive problems and work with
both Development and Manufacturing to improve materials, designs and
manufacturing techniques. The contribution to the bottom line can be tracked
through lower warranty expense and fewer service calls. An increase in
customer satisfaction is likely to occur over time which will likely result
in more sales and increased customer loyalty but it's hard to connect the
effort in reliability with such soft numbers. (Besides, Sales will take the
credit.)

2) Start with one person as you outlined, but they will need support in
gathering and processing data. A second step could be to add a reliability
engineer on the development side who would work on proving the reliability
of new designs. This function would get early prototypes and see what breaks
or wears out first under different use models and environments. You could
then add a technician or two as the work load warrants.


Good luck,

Paul Paroff
Reliability Engineer.


-Original Message-
From: marti...@appliedbiosystems.com
[mailto:marti...@appliedbiosystems.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 1:16 PM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: Creating a Reliability Department



I have been given a consulting opportunity to develop a plan for a
Reliability Department for a fairly large manufacturing company of
Laboratory Equipment.

Since my background is in compliance I could use some advice on how to get
started.

1.   The goal is to hire one permanent employee and grow over time.  What
are some justifications/success stories/strategies for having a Reliability
Department?

2.   Assuming the goal is to have the best reliability department in the
world, how do we get started?  What are the stages which should be followed
for developing a Reliability Group?  What would staffing requirements look
like for each phase?

3.   The goal is to have this position report to Manufacturing Engineering.
>From a compliance standpoint, this would be a conflict of interest.  Does
the same hold true for Reliability Engineering?

4.   This department may include a global function.  What is the best
method to integrate this department globally?

All responses are greatly appreciated

Regards

Joe Martin
EMC/Product Safety Engineer


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Re: FW: ERO Newsflash No 30

[Leslie Bai]

Rich and all interested members:
I am wondering why EN 301 893 (BRAN HIPERLAN TYPE 2, Harmonized EN covering 
essential requirements of article 3.2 of the R&TTE Directive) was not listed as 
specific standards (REC 70-03, Page 11), and only ETS 300 836-1 (HIPERLAN TYPE 
1) was there.
Also, on Page 34, Annex 3: LAN, RLAN and HIPERLAN, Frequency band b 
(5150-5350MHz) should be covered by EN 301 893, not ETS 300 836 which covers 
5150-5300MHz, HIPERLAN TYPE 1.
I thought, EN 301 893 should be included as a specific standards listed on Page 
11, and also as a Harmonized stanadard listed on Page 34 (Annex 3) to cover 
frequency band b.
What do you think?
Leslie
 
  richwo...@tycoint.com wrote: 


-Original Message-
From: Pia Hammer Bloch [mailto:bl...@ero.dk]
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 9:07 AM
To: ERO-NEWS
Subject: ERO Newsflash No 30


ERO NEWSFLASH No 30
14 February 2002
--
Recommendation 70-03 updated

The Short Range Device Recommendation 70-03 has been updated with new
regulations and a 
new format. Changes have been agreed to several of its annexes, including
Annex 1 on duty 
cycle in 433 MHz, Annex 10 on Radio microphone and Annex 13 on Wireless
Audio 
application. A new Annex 11 on RFID has been added.

The document is available for downloading at
http://www.ero.dk/doc98/Official/Pdf/Rec7003e.pdf. 

Regards
ERO
.



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Re: Existing EN50082-1 approved products

[Douglas_Beckwith]

From:  Douglas Beckwith@MITEL on 02/14/2002 02:06 PM
Hi All,
Thanks for the response. I just want to clarify that this is not our product, it
was prompted by a discussion I had with a someone. So far everyone has supported
my position, that re-test is required and a declaration to EN50082-1 is no
longer valid.

Many thanks to all, I was beginning to doubt my sanity.

Regards

Doug




"Ron Pickard"  on 02/14/2002 12:41:55 PM

To:   Douglas Beckwith/Kan/Mitel@Mitel
cc:   emc-p...@ieee.org

Subject:  Re: Existing EN50082-1 approved products




Doug,

After July 1, 2001, EN50082-1:(1992 or 1997) no longer gives a presumption of
conformity for ITE to
the EMC Directive. This is, of course, assuming your product is ITE, then
EN55024 must indeed apply.
Your declaration of conformity also needs to be updated to reflect this. If your
product is not ITE,
then another immunity standard will likely apply to your product.

I hope this helps.

Best regards,

Ron Pickard
rpick...@hypercom.com







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RE: Existing EN50082-1 approved products

[Binnom, Cyril A]

Douglas, 

EN 55024:1998 only supercedes EN 50082-1 if your product is by definition
ITE equipment. Assuming your product is ITE, if you intend to sell that
product after the date of withdrawl 2001-07-01, the product has to comply
with EN 55024 and this has to be noted on a new DoC. 

Cyril A. Binnom Jr.
EMI/EMC Approvals Engineer
LXE, Inc.
(770) 447-4224 Ext. 3240
(770) 447-6928 Fax
binno...@lxe.com  

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From: douglas_beckw...@mitel.com [mailto:douglas_beckw...@mitel.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 8:53 AM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: Existing EN50082-1 approved products



Hi All,
As we all know, I hope, EN55024 came into effect on July 1, 2001, and
superceded
EN50082-1. If a product was legally being sold in the EU, before that date,
and
was compliant to EN50082-1, does the product need to be re-tested to EN55024
to
be sold after that date, if there are no changes to that product, i.e. is a
declaration to EN50082-1 still legal?

Regards

Doug Beckwith



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FW: Creating a Reliability Department

[Darrell Locke]

Forwarding for Paul

Darrell Locke

-Original Message-
From: Paul Paroff 
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 7:44 AM
To: Darrell Locke
Subject: RE: Creating a Reliability Department


1) From the Manufacturing side I would study warranty and other returns,
customer complaints, and field service and repairs. So you may need a
database to organize and the means to collect the data. From there I would
find the top 5 to 10 most frequent and most expensive problems and work with
both Development and Manufacturing to improve materials, designs and
manufacturing techniques. The contribution to the bottom line can be tracked
through lower warranty expense and fewer service calls. An increase in
customer satisfaction is likely to occur over time which will likely result
in more sales and increased customer loyalty but it's hard to connect the
effort in reliability with such soft numbers. (Besides, Sales will take the
credit.)

2) Start with one person as you outlined, but they will need support in
gathering and processing data. A second step could be to add a reliability
engineer on the development side who would work on proving the reliability
of new designs. This function would get early prototypes and see what breaks
or wears out first under different use models and environments. You could
then add a technician or two as the work load warrants.

3) Reliability in manufacturing would not constitute a conflict of interest
as compliance could. Compliance is more like an unbiased judge where
Reliability provides input to improve products to make them more robust. 

Good luck,

Paul Paroff
Reliability Engineer.


-Original Message-
From: marti...@appliedbiosystems.com
[mailto:marti...@appliedbiosystems.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 1:16 PM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: Creating a Reliability Department



I have been given a consulting opportunity to develop a plan for a
Reliability Department for a fairly large manufacturing company of
Laboratory Equipment.

Since my background is in compliance I could use some advice on how to get
started.

1.   The goal is to hire one permanent employee and grow over time.  What
are some justifications/success stories/strategies for having a Reliability
Department?

2.   Assuming the goal is to have the best reliability department in the
world, how do we get started?  What are the stages which should be followed
for developing a Reliability Group?  What would staffing requirements look
like for each phase?

3.   The goal is to have this position report to Manufacturing Engineering.
>From a compliance standpoint, this would be a conflict of interest.  Does
the same hold true for Reliability Engineering?

4.   This department may include a global function.  What is the best
method to integrate this department globally?

All responses are greatly appreciated

Regards

Joe Martin
EMC/Product Safety Engineer


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RE: [URGENT] Need some information about NEBS..

[Robert Wilson]

Without getting into details, the main point is that it is brutal (and
even that is an understatement), and it is expensive. A full-on test
involves everything from EMI compliance, to earthquake testing, to flame
and fire tests. Costs can easily run to US$100,000 and time to do the
test can range from 6 weeks to months. There are several independent
test labs in the US that can do the testing. I have not personally put
any equipment through NEBS, but last spring I spent a couple of days at
a test lab in the San Francisco Bay area  (MET Labs)  looking at their
capabilities and how NEBS would impact the design of  our  telecom power
electronics equipment. Perhaps others with more actual testing
experience may be able to fill in the details.

Bob Wilson.

USB Interface and Cables

[brian_kunde]

Greetings,

We have an analyzer that is controlled by a standard PC through the USB
interface. When performing Fast Transient Burst test on the analyzer (according
to EN61000-4-4 Level 3) at 2KV the USB communications goes down and does not
recover without re-powering up the unit.  We found that the 3 meter long USB
cable we are using has a poor connection between the connector's backshell and
the braid-over-foil shield.  By cutting open the cable and improving this
connection, the system passes all immunity tests.

Knowing this, we have been trying to find a manufacturer of USB cable that has a
better quality cable and has a good low impedance shield/ground connection from
connector to connector.  We have received samples from 6 different manufacturers
but have not found any that has consistent quality.  They all seem to use the
same basic construction methods.

Has anyone else out there experienced the same problem we are having?  Can
anyone recommend a cable vendor that produces a good quality USB cable (US
source preferred)?

We know that most PCs are only tested for Fast Transient Burst to Level 2 (1kV
on AC, 500V through Clamp).  Does anyone know if the USB interface is only
specified to work in a level 2 environment?  Are we exceeding the USB abilities
by trying to get it to pass at level 3?

Thanks,
Brian Kunde
LECO Corp.


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LVD - Test lab in EU

[amund]

Hi all,

We are searching for a test lab in Europe, which can carry out electrical
safety tests on a Residual current monitor (earth fault detector).

We assume that electrical safety on this unit is covered by the harmonized
LVD standard EN62020:1998/IEC62020:1998 Electrical accessories - Residual
current monitors for household and similar uses (RCMs).

Been in contact with DEMKO/UL (Denmark), SEMKO (Sweden), SP (Sweden) and
NEMKO (Norway), but it seems that they have problems with this standard.

Any suggestion of other relevant test labs in EU?
 and contact persons, please ...


Best regards
Amund Westin, Oslo/Norway


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THE 2003 IEEE INTERNATIONAL SYMPOSIUM ON ELECTROMAGNETIC COMPATIB ILITY (EMC), Tel Aviv, ISRAEL, May 11-16, 2003

[Jim Bacher]

Forwarding for Nicky.

-Original Message-
From: Nicky Jowett 
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 8:06 AM
Subject: THE 2003 IEEE INTERNATIONAL SYMPOSIUM ON ELECTROMAGNETIC COMPATIB
ILITY (EMC), Tel Aviv, ISRAEL, May 11-16, 2003


THE 2003 IEEE INTERNATIONAL SYMPOSIUM ON ELECTROMAGNETIC 
COMPATIBILITY (EMC)

David Intercontinental Hotel, Tel Aviv, ISRAEL, May 11-16, 2003

Dear Colleagues and Fellow EMC Engineers, Shalom from Israel,

We are delighted to announce the 2003 IEEE International Symposium on EMC to
be held in Tel-Aviv, Israel on May 11-16, 2003.

The Symposium will provide a platform for the presentation and discussion of
new developments in the field of Electromagnetic Compatibility and related
topics. Paper sessions will include topics on the Electromagnetic
Environmental Effects, EMC Education and Management, EMC Design, from
circuit to System, Spectrum Engineering, 
High Power Microwave Effects and Electromagnetic Threats,
Signal Integrity and High Speed Considerations, Product Safety, Radiation
Hazards and Biological Effects of EMF, and many, many other exciting topics.

Workshops, tutorials, "Birds of a Feather" panels and special invited
sessions will be organized on stimulating topics.

PAPER SUBMISSION
Prospective authors are invited to submit by July 15, 2002, an abstract and
preliminary manuscripts in English, either electronically, via e-mail or by
regular mail.

The official language is English.

For detailed instructions on file submission please visit the Symposium's
official web site at http://www.ortra.com/emc2003/


TECHNICAL EXHIBITION
The Symposium will be accompanied by a technical exhibition on EMC.
Prospective exhibitors are invited to order a booking kit from the Symposium
Secretariat for exhibition space, constructed stands, showcases, mural
display areas and advertisement space in conference publications. We expect
exciting new product launches and exhibitor events during the Symposium. 

Do not miss this unique opportunity!


For additional information or questions, please contact the symposium
secretariat:

ORTRA Ltd.
1 Nirim Street, P.O. Box 9352
61092 Tel-Aviv, Israel
Tel:+972-3-638
Fax:+972-3-6384455
E-mail: emc2...@ortra.co.il

OR VISIT OUR WEB SITE AT:
Web site: http://www.ortra.com/emc2003

Looking forward to welcoming you in Israel,

Best Regards

Elya B. Joffe, Symposium Chairman


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Re: Existing EN50082-1 approved products

[Ron Pickard]

Doug,

After July 1, 2001, EN50082-1:(1992 or 1997) no longer gives a presumption of 
conformity for ITE to
the EMC Directive. This is, of course, assuming your product is ITE, then 
EN55024 must indeed apply.
Your declaration of conformity also needs to be updated to reflect this. If 
your product is not ITE,
then another immunity standard will likely apply to your product.

I hope this helps.

Best regards,

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RE: Existing EN50082-1 approved products

[richwoods]

If you choose to apply standards, then each of every unit placed on the
market or into distribution after the DOW of 2001-07-01 must comply with
EN55024 and this must be stated on a new DoC. Re-testing is only required if
a requirement of the new standard differs from the old standard and the
requirement is applicable to your product.

Richard Woods
Sensormatic Electronics
Tyco International


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Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 8:53 AM
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Hi All,
As we all know, I hope, EN55024 came into effect on July 1, 2001, and
superceded
EN50082-1. If a product was legally being sold in the EU, before that date,
and
was compliant to EN50082-1, does the product need to be re-tested to EN55024
to
be sold after that date, if there are no changes to that product, i.e. is a
declaration to EN50082-1 still legal?

Regards

Doug Beckwith



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Re: INNOVA Product Service GmbH

[Anthony Villasenor]

Brian,

The person to contact would be Horst Haug, email address: 
innova...@t-online.de

Anthony



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Subject:INNOVA Product Service GmbH
Date sent:  Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:58:27 -
Send reply to:  "MCA Compliance" 

> 
> Can anyone provide information on this test lab ? Are they part of TUV group
> ?? contact details 
> 
> thanks
> 
> Brian McAuliffe
> 
> email: i...@mcac.ie
> 
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Re: [URGENT] Need some information about NEBS..

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Re: Existing EN50082-1 approved products

[JRadomski]

Doug,

> EN55024 came into effect on July 1, 2001, and superceded EN50082-1. If a
product was legally being sold in the EU, before that date, and was
compliant to EN50082-1, does the product need to be re-tested to EN55024 to
be sold after that date,

YES, to EN55024.

> if there are no changes to that product, i.e. is a declaration to
EN50082-1 still legal?

Only for products sold before July 2001. For products sold after this date
you have to issue a new declaration (to EN55024).

John Radomski
Clare


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INNOVA Product Service GmbH

[MCA Compliance]

Can anyone provide information on this test lab ? Are they part of TUV group
?? contact details 

thanks

Brian McAuliffe

email: i...@mcac.ie


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Fw: EMC Cost Benefit Analysis Report

[Alan E Hutley]

Hi All
I apologise for confusion the link for the Cost Benefit Analysis was pasted in 
wrong message. Sorry.
Alan

http://europa.eu.int/comm/enterprise/electr_equipment/engin/cba.pdf

- Original Message - 
From: Alan E Hutley 
To: Emc-Pstc Discussion Group 
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 9:09 AM
Subject: EMC Cost Benefit Analysis Report


Hi Group

The above report(197 pages).  Full title " Cost Benefit Analysis on the Draft 
Amendment of the EC Directive on Electromagnetic Compatibility " prepared for 
the Directorate-General Enterprise of the EU.

Can be found here in pdf format.

Enjoy

Cheers
Alan E Hutley
EMC Compliance Journal
www.compliance-club.com

FW: ERO Newsflash No 30

[richwoods]

-Original Message-
From: Pia Hammer Bloch [mailto:bl...@ero.dk]
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 9:07 AM
To: ERO-NEWS
Subject: ERO Newsflash No 30


ERO NEWSFLASH No  30
14 February 2002
--
Recommendation 70-03 updated
 
The Short Range Device Recommendation 70-03 has been updated with new
regulations and a 
new format. Changes have been agreed to several of its annexes, including
Annex 1 on duty 
cycle in 433 MHz, Annex 10 on Radio microphone  and Annex 13 on Wireless
Audio 
application. A new Annex 11 on RFID has been added.

The document is available for downloading at
http://www.ero.dk/doc98/Official/Pdf/Rec7003e.pdf. 

Regards
ERO
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RE: [URGENT] Need some information about NEBS..

[Mike Cantwell]

NEBS compliance is required by the US Regional Bell Operating Companies
(RBOCs). The major aspect of this consist of Telcordia standards (
www.telcordia.com  ):
 
GR-1089-CORE:EMC and safety
GR-63-CORE:Environmental
 
If you have products that must comply with NEBS, you need to purchase these
standards and review them, the requirements are substantial and definitely
have an effect on the design of your product. They also have an impact on
your schedule and budget as the testing can easily take 2 months and cost
$100k (if you pass).
 
Hope this gives you a good start.

-Original Message-
From: Michelle Cho / INT Compliance [mailto:m...@intcompliance.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 1:32 AM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: [URGENT] Need some information about NEBS..


Dear all,
 
I need some help about something called NEBS(Network Equipment Building
System). The whole procedure...
What exactly the NEBS is and where can I do the testing? How much? How long
does it take?
 
Thanks in advance!
 
Michelle
 
 

Existing EN50082-1 approved products

[Douglas_Beckwith]

Hi All,
As we all know, I hope, EN55024 came into effect on July 1, 2001, and superceded
EN50082-1. If a product was legally being sold in the EU, before that date, and
was compliant to EN50082-1, does the product need to be re-tested to EN55024 to
be sold after that date, if there are no changes to that product, i.e. is a
declaration to EN50082-1 still legal?

Regards

Doug Beckwith



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A Report: EMC in European Electricity suppl Networks

[Alan E Hutley]

Hi All

A summary of a report soon to be issued has been released by EURELECTRIC the 
Union of the Electricity Industry. on trends in harmonic distortion. This is in 
response to intensive lobbying activities by the US IT manufacturers and their 
representatives in the EU, it says in the summary.

The 12 page summary report can be downloaded from our web site home page in pdf 
format.
www.compliance-club.com

Cheers
Alan E Hutley
EMC Compliance Journal 

Fw: A Report: EMC in European Electricity suppl Networks

[Alan E Hutley]

Oops forgot to add link

http://europa.eu.int/comm/enterprise/electr_equipment/engin/cba.pdf

- Original Message - 
From: Alan E Hutley 
To: Emc-Pstc Discussion Group 
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 10:26 AM
Subject: A Report: EMC in European Electricity suppl Networks


Hi All

A summary of a report soon to be issued has been released by EURELECTRIC the 
Union of the Electricity Industry. on trends in harmonic distortion. This is in 
response to intensive lobbying activities by the US IT manufacturers and their 
representatives in the EU, it says in the summary.

The 12 page summary report can be downloaded from our web site home page in pdf 
format.
www.compliance-club.com

Cheers
Alan E Hutley
EMC Compliance Journal 

RE: [URGENT] Need some information about NEBS..

[Peter Merguerian]

Michelle,
 
I am forwarding your e-mail to our NEBS expert, Ilan Cohen, for help. For
your info, we are also holding a NEBS seminar March 18 and 19th here in
Israel with speakers from the USA. You are most welcome to attend.
 

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PETER S. MERGUERIAN

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I.T.L. (Product Testing) Ltd.

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Or Yehuda 60251, Israel

Tel: + 972-(0)3-5339022  Fax: + 972-(0)3-5339019

Mobile: + 972-(0)54-838175




-Original Message-
From: Michelle Cho / INT Compliance [mailto:m...@intcompliance.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 9:32 AM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: [URGENT] Need some information about NEBS..


Dear all,
 
I need some help about something called NEBS(Network Equipment Building
System). The whole procedure...
What exactly the NEBS is and where can I do the testing? How much? How long
does it take?
 
Thanks in advance!
 
Michelle
 
 

EMC Cost Benefit Analysis Report

[Alan E Hutley]

Hi Group

The above report(197 pages).  Full title " Cost Benefit Analysis on the Draft 
Amendment of the EC Directive on Electromagnetic Compatibility " prepared for 
the Directorate-General Enterprise of the EU.

Can be found here in pdf format.

Enjoy

Cheers
Alan E Hutley
EMC Compliance Journal
www.compliance-club.com

Need a screened room?

[Schaefer, Rolf]

Restructuring and move to another location has caused that a screened room
is available immediately, its size is  5240 x 4150 x 2220 mm. 
It is still installed near Frankfurt/Main.

If you are interested contact our facility manager directly (Ulf Wittich:
email ulf.witt...@de.unisys.com - tel +49 6196 99 1656 - fax +49 6196 99
1799).




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[URGENT] Need some information about NEBS..

[Michelle Cho / INT Compliance]

Dear all,

I need some help about something called NEBS(Network Equipment Building 
System). The whole procedure...
What exactly the NEBS is and where can I do the testing? How much? How long 
does it take?

Thanks in advance!

Michelle

Re: Flammabilty requirement for cloth used on loudspeaker / UL6500

[John Woodgate]

I read in !emc-pstc that Peter Tarver 
wrote (in )
about 'Flammabilty requirement for cloth used on loudspeaker / UL6500',
on Wed, 13 Feb 2002:
>My note on the outside says
>"hexamethylene tetramine C16H12N4," that last bit being the
>precise chemical composition.

Not precisely! It's C6H12N4, or, more informatively if rather
repetitively, NH2CH2CH2NH2CHCHNH2CH2CH2NH2, and certain variations on
that theme.
-- 
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk 
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3H AC Source

[Brian O'Connell]

Good People

My AC source just died. Manual & schematics we have are not for this
particular model (3H Industries Model 3001). Does anyone have a manual that
I can buy or pay for a copy???

My safety testing is on hold until I can fix this 15 year-old beast.

much thanks,
Brian O'Connell
Taiyo Yuden (USA), Inc.


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Re: Creating a Reliability Department

[Doug McKean]

> I have been given a consulting opportunity to develop a plan for a
> Reliability Department for a fairly large manufacturing company of
> Laboratory Equipment.
>
> Since my background is in compliance I could use some advice on how
to get
> started.
>
> 1.   The goal is to hire one permanent employee and grow over time.
What
> are some justifications/success stories/strategies for having a
Reliability
> Department?

Any part or device that's mission critical  (for lack of a better
phrase)
needs reliability. There are wide range of functions that reliability
engineers perform, so it's necessary to define exactly what it is this
reliability person will be doing. Someone in aeronautical reliability
will have a vastly different job function than say someone in an
integrated circuit mfr-ing environment. Someone who's a reliability
engineer could have their whole career in the hard-drive industry
and yet some other reliability engineer could have their whole career
in the automotive industry.

> 2.   Assuming the goal is to have the best reliability department in
the
> world, how do we get started?

Define exactly what it is that is required of these people. In other
words,
if all the customer requires are calculated MTBFs, that's easy.
Internally,
the reliability engineer should be constantly comparing calculated
failure
rates with actual demonstrated failure rates from the field. From
either
the calculated failures or the actual demonstrated failures, the
reliability
engineer is the one to *advise* how often things will perform for the
given requirement and how often things should be inspected, replaced,
or maintained.

It can be a huge job, or it can be made very simple.

> What are the stages which should be followed for developing a
> Reliability Group?  What would staffing requirements look
> like for each phase?

First, a widely experienced person to define what it is required of
the Reliability department, what inputs will be used and/or monitored,
what tools and standards are needed to be used or followed, how
the data is to be massaged, and to whom the results are to be
presented.

Then the staffing moves into (depending upon what this company is
and how big) people who are able to do failure calculations, glean
out demonstrated failures in the field from Customer Service, and
who can do testing in a lab.

> 3.   The goal is to have this position report to Manufacturing
Engineering.
> From a compliance standpoint, this would be a conflict of interest.
Does
> the same hold true for Reliability Engineering?

Yes.  Ultimately, reliability should be part of say Quality.  And
Quality should
be a department seperate from engineering and mfr-ing. Some here may
shudder at the thought but that's just my opinion.

> 4.   This department may include a global function.  What is the
best
> method to integrate this department globally?

Refine the way customer service reports and returns from the
field are done.

- Doug McKean



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Re: Flammability requirement for cloth used on loudspeaker / UL6500

[JRadomski]

Hi Pierre,

Here is my suggestion: request this information from the manufacturer (I
doubt you will get it), buy the tablets and conduct this test in your own
lab.

Regards,

John Radomski
Clare




 
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Dear members,

I work on a loudspeaker project in the frame of UL6500.
Reading the standard, I understand that the cloth used on the front of the
loudspeaker (external to fire enclosure) has to be tested according the
"tablet test" (see Table 13).
Do you know this test ?
Do you know if this information can be provided by the cloth manufacturer ?

Many thanks for your answers,
Pierre SELVA


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