Re: [JunkMail] 1500 ohms 100 pF gun?
Hi Cortland and the group (from vacation in Orange County, CA), I remember using such a network in a home built ESD simulator many years ago at Bell Labs, a human finger model. Electronic telephones that had no problem with such a simulator did not come back for warrantee repairs. The IEC network, which models a piece of metal in the hand, is much more severe and is often an overtest of small plastic items like telephones and PDAs. I have copied Michael King on this. He is an early pioneer in ESD and perhaps can shed some light on this in addition to what I have said above. Much of what we now do in ESD was laid out by Michael decades ago and is still valid. Doug Cortland Richmond wrote: Was looking for one for some military testing at work. I seem to recall that the Andy Hish ESD-255 used this network in one of its probes. Am I wrong? Cortland Richmond KA5S - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc -- ___ _Doug Smith \ / ) P.O. Box 1457 = Los Gatos, CA 95031-1457 _ / \ / \ _TEL/FAX: 408-356-4186/358-3799 / /\ \ ] / /\ \ Mobile: 408-858-4528 | q-( ) | o | Email: d...@dsmith.org \ _ /]\ _ / Web: http://www.dsmith.org - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: Requirements for evaluations kits
Mr. Jensen, FCC Cellular and PCM are regulated under 47CFR Part 22 24, and the Bluetooth must meet 47CFR Part 15 requirements, and all are subject to certification. The transmitter circuit board can be Certified for evaluation or demonstration purposes so long as it is not intended to be used as a module to be evaluated within a host device such as a laptop computer. Marketing of the device shall not be to the general public. Certification requires appropriate grant conditions and user instructions to limit marketing and use of the device. The user manual must also agree with these conditions. Transmitter boards used for evaluation in host devices must be modular approved and comply with the modular approval requirements including shielding. Bill Stumpf D.L.S. Electronics 166 South Carter Street Genoa City WI 53128 bstu...@dlsemc.com phone: 262.279.0210 From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Ferry, Allen Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 4:21 AM To: Kim Boll Jensen; EMC PSTC Subject: RE: Requirements for evaluations kits Hi, There is a guidance document on radio kits from the RTTECA. http://www.rtteca.com/TGN02.doc Regards Allen From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Kim Boll Jensen Sent: 20 June 2006 15:32 To: EMC PSTC Subject: Requirements for evaluations kits Hi all I have a special evaluation kit consisting of both GSM, Bluetooth and several HW com lines. It will be sold world wide in rather big quantities, and therefore I will like to know under which rules it can be sold arround the world. Any answer just concerning one or mor countries are very welcome. Best regards. Kim Boll Jensen Bolls Rådgivning Ved Gadekæret 11F DK-3660 Stenløse Tlf.: 48 18 35 66 Fax: 48 18 35 30 Mobil: 22 99 69 91 E-mail: k...@bolls.dk web: www.bolls.dk - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: CISPR22 Edition 5 SLCE and Ethernet
In message 231db4b2f2634a4c94d87d89a4fa81d201542...@ny13ex011.global.ds.honeywell.c om, dated Wed, 21 Jun 2006, Sterner, David [SFS] david.ster...@honeywell.com writes If a pair of lines connects only two ports, each of the two ports is 100 ohms impedance, and the cable is uniform, please explain how the Ethernet line can have an impedance imbalance between the two ports? I'm not sure what you mean by 'an impedance imbalance between the two ports'. We were not discussing impedance mismatch but mode conversion from differential to common (leading potentially to emissions from the cable) or vice versa (leading to a lack of immunity). The functioning of balanced circuits in not radiating the signal and rejecting common-mode disturbances depends on the impedances at each end of the cable, from each conductor to a common reference point, being closely equal. Any voltage between the common reference points is then the input to a balanced bridge, and none of that voltage appears between the signal conductors. And vice versa, of course. While transformers CAN be made with excellent symmetry and very closely equal impedances to the common point, they are not always so designed, and it would be appropriate for the system standard to specify the permitted unbalance, in one of the many ways that can be done. I think this is what the original enquirer is asking about. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk 2006 is YMMVI- Your mileage may vary immensely. John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: CISPR22 Edition 5 SLCE and Ethernet
In a message 21-Jun-06 Mr. Woodgate stated I don't understand why you have sent this information. I've no doubt it's all true, but you haven't quoted any of the message you are responding to, and you haven't commented on the permitted unbalance of the port impedances, which is one subject under discussion. If a pair of lines connects only two ports, each of the two ports is 100 ohms impedance, and the cable is uniform, please explain how the Ethernet line can have an impedance imbalance between the two ports? Given the requirements of IEE 802.3, a port imbalance is inconsistant with transmission line theory. My answer is for the Ethernet communications lines only (tx, rx); termination imbalance is quite possible in the case of 'power over Ethernet', where DC travels over the CAT-n wires not used for communications. . Honeywell David W. Sterner Quality Assurance Engineering Security Custom Electronics 165 Eileen Way P.O. Box 9035 Syosset, NY 11791 Phone: (516) 921-6704 x6970 Fax # (516) 364-6953 david.ster...@honeywell.com http://www.honeywell.com david.ster...@ieee.org http://www.IEEE.LI Electromagnetic Compatibility IEEE 05888136 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: CISPR22 Edition 5 SLCE and Ethernet
In message 231db4b2f2634a4c94d87d89a4fa81d201542...@ny13ex011.global.ds.honeywell.c om, dated Wed, 21 Jun 2006, Sterner, David [SFS] david.ster...@honeywell.com writes Per ANSI/IEEE 8032.3x Ethernet Cat 5, 6, and 7 cables have only two ports, additional ports are forbidden. Both ports are transformer isolated for a 100-ohm impedance termination. Communication to other network locations is always through an active device (e.g. hub, switch, router). I don't understand why you have sent this information. I've no doubt it's all true, but you haven't quoted any of the message you are responding to, and you haven't commented on the permitted unbalance of the port impedances, which is one subject under discussion. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk 2006 is YMMVI- Your mileage may vary immensely. John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: CISPR22 Edition 5 SLCE and Ethernet
Per ANSI/IEEE 8032.3x Ethernet Cat 5, 6, and 7 cables have only two ports, additional ports are forbidden. Both ports are transformer isolated for a 100-ohm impedance termination. Communication to other network locations is always through an active device (e.g. hub, switch, router). The only variation is full-duplex communication where 4 lines are active and connexion is to a switch (hubs do not support full duplex). In full-duplex both ports have two transformer terminations, one for transmit and the other for receive. Ethernet adapter cards (NICS) support full duplex, but negotiate to half duplex if connected to a hub. . Honeywell David W. Sterner Quality Assurance Engineering Security Custom Electronics 165 Eileen Way P.O. Box 9035 Syosset, NY 11791 Phone: (516) 921-6704 x6970 Fax # (516) 364-6953 david.ster...@honeywell.com http://www.honeywell.com david.ster...@ieee.org http://www.IEEE.LI Electromagnetic Compatibility IEEE 05888136 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
1500 ohms 100 pF gun?
Was looking for one for some military testing at work. I seem to recall that the Andy Hish ESD-255 used this network in one of its probes. Am I wrong? Cortland Richmond KA5S - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
IEEE PSES Newsletter and Symposium
The latest issue of the IEEE PSES Product Safety Newsletter is now available on line at : http://www.ieee-pses.org/newsletters.html Note: You must be a member of the IEEE Product Safety Society to access the current versions of the newsletters. Abstracts for papers being presented at the upcoming (October) IEEE Product Safety and Compliance Symposium are at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/symposium/abstracts.html PSEN Publication Schedule The Product Safety Engineering Newsletter is published quarterly during the last month of each calendar quarter. The following deadlines are necessary in order to meet that schedule. Closing dates for submitted articles 1Q issue: February 1 2Q issue: May 1 3Q issue: August 1 4Q issue: November 1 Closing dates for news items 1Q issue: February 15 2Q issue: May 15 3Q issue: August 15 4Q issue: November 15 eDJ Publication Schedule The eDJ is published as a special section of the PSEN. Contact Mike Sherman for details. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: Requirements for evaluations kits
Hi, There is a guidance document on radio kits from the RTTECA. http://www.rtteca.com/TGN02.doc Regards Allen From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Kim Boll Jensen Sent: 20 June 2006 15:32 To: EMC PSTC Subject: Requirements for evaluations kits Hi all I have a special evaluation kit consisting of both GSM, Bluetooth and several HW com lines. It will be sold world wide in rather big quantities, and therefore I will like to know under which rules it can be sold arround the world. Any answer just concerning one or mor countries are very welcome. Best regards. Kim Boll Jensen Bolls Rådgivning Ved Gadekæret 11F DK-3660 Stenløse Tlf.: 48 18 35 66 Fax: 48 18 35 30 Mobil: 22 99 69 91 E-mail: k...@bolls.dk web: www.bolls.dk - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: CISPR22 Edition 5 SLCE and Ethernet
In message 062120060433.25342.4498CC271E7162FE2207020853CECE020A900A02@comc ast.net, dated Wed, 21 Jun 2006, neve...@comcast.net writes I am looking for the actual data supporting the chosen LCL characteristics for the CAT5, 6 and 7 ISN per the standard. Yes, and I think that data (or a specification for the balance of the cables) may be in the standards I mentioned. Of course, you are also concerned with the impedance balance specifications at the cable ports, and I suppose those are specified in the Ethernet standards, which are not, of course, IEC standards. I believe they are very large, but I don't know where you get them from. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk 2006 is YMMVI- Your mileage may vary immensely. John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: Source for soft copy network licensed Euro Normes, and maybe consolidated versions!?!?
We have used British Standards in the past for a multi site licence agreement, they do have a partner in the US. Also ILI in the UK have quoted us in the past for multi licence downloads. as a final note I shall be leaving my job here at the end of June and would like to thank everyone on the list for their help and contributions, they have help tremendously over the years. Many Thanks Keith Spicer Chief Engineer Quality Assurance Defence Tactical Communications Thales Land Joint Systems Worton Grange Reading RG2 0SB Tel. 0118 923 8441 Fax 0118 923 8459 The information contained in this e-mail is confidential. It may also be legally privileged. It is intended only for the stated addressee(s) and access to it by any other person is unauthorised. If you are not an addressee, you must not disclose, copy, circulate or in any other way use or rely on the information contained in this e-mail. Such unauthorised use may be unlawful. We may monitor all e-mail communications through our networks. If you have received this e-mail in error, please inform us immediately on +44 (0) 1293 518855 and delete it and all copies from your system. We accept no responsibility for changes to any e-mail which occur after it has been sent. Attachments to this e-mail may contain software viruses which could damage your system. We therefore recommend you virus-check all attachments before opening. A business of Thales UK Ltd. Registered Office: 2 Dashwood Lang Road, The Bourne Business Park, Addlestone, Weybridge, Surrey KT15 2NX Registered in England No. 868273Business Park, Addlestone, Weybridge, Surrey KT15 2NX Registered in England No. 868273. From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Jim Eichner Sent: 20 June 2006 20:40 To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: Source for soft copy network licensed Euro Normes, and maybe consolidated versions!?!? No takers? Not a single bite so far! Do I take that to mean nobody has found anyone that offers what I'm after? Just in case that's the situation, let me open it up a bit. Who are people using for network licensed soft copies of EN's, and what features do they offer? Thanks, Jim Eichner, P.Eng. Compliance Engineering Manager Xantrex Technology Inc. e-mail: jim.eich...@xantrex.com web: www.xantrex.com Any opinions expressed are those of my invisible friend. Confidentiality Notice: This email message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. From: emc-p...@ieee.org On Behalf Of Jim Eichner Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:39 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Source for soft copy network licensed Euro Normes, and maybe consolidated versions!?!? Like I'm sure many of you do, we maintain a collection of EN's in soft copy on our network. Being good corporate citizens, when we set this up we searched around for sources that could give us what we needed (in English, by the way) with a license that either directly allowed network installation, or at least did not preclude network installation. We ended up with ILI Infodisk, who gives us network licensed subscriptions (automatic updates) to EN's published by Irish Standards. The service has been good and their pricing was competitive at the time. But it's been a few years, and I want to do a bit of comparison shopping. My question is who are people using for this? Specifically, who can people recommend that fit the following criteria: Mandatory: - English language EN's (primarily for LVD and EMCD) - PDF or other convenient soft-copy format - legally allowed to be installed on our corporate intranet - able to copy and paste extracts out of the standards (for design doc's, e-mails etc.) - able to print from the standards - automatic notification of availability of revisions and new versions Desired but not mandatory: - consolidated editions (*see below) - able to annotate the standards electronically (e.g. using the comments tool in Acrobat Reader) so that we can highlight passages, put in clarifying notes, etc.) - automatic downloads of revisions and new versions A far distant second choice would be internet-based access. Regarding my term consolidated editions, here's what I'm on about. It drives me nuts that the standards we currently receive have a structure
Re: CISPR22 Edition 5 SLCE and Ethernet
John, I am looking for the actual data supporting the chosen LCL characteristics for the CAT5, 6 and 7 ISN per the standard. According to the described intent of the standard, the ISN characteristics are such to purposely introduce imbalance, supposedly to replicate the LCL characteristics of a typical network installation, but I do not find any published data on the LCL of the typical CAT5, 6, and 7 installations. The method of the measuremtn is described in ITU-T G.117 standard. I hope that there is a considerable work somewhere available that supports the chosen CAT5, 6, and 7 LCL characteristics, but I also fear that the information is not available, and I believe it should certainly be available for a standard with such a broad consequence for the industry. My back-of-the-envelope calculation tells me that 10 BaseT Ethernet, with maximum 5.6Vpk-pk amplitude, as defined per IEEE 802.3 standard is most likely to fail ClassB limit with the CAT5 LCL as defined by CISPR22, 2005. Most manufacturers do not generate as high voltage, but it is possible per the IEEE Ethernet standard. Laptop/PC and other SOHO Ethernet-product manufacturers are going to have hell of a time trying to make it through. Regards, Neven -- Original message -- From: John Woodgate j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk In message 062020062152.8474.44986E288DE2211A2205886442CECE020A900A02@comca st.net, dated Tue, 20 Jun 2006, neve...@comcast.net writes Does anyone have or know the sources (preferably published, verifiable, with the exact test method described) of the LCL (Longitudinal Conversion Loss, i.e. balance) of typical installation that support the LCL values required by CSPR22 for ISN for CAT5, 6, and 7 cables? (CISPR22 5th edition, 2005, page 51) Are you looking for a method of testing the actual cables for unbalance? I think you need to look at IEC standards in the IEC 61156 series, at: http://tinyurl.com/zarag If you click on the standard number, you get a detailed page about it, and if you click on the 'Preview' icon you get the Table of contents, the Scope clause and a few more pages of the standard to view for free. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk 2006 is YMMVI- Your mileage may vary immensely. John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
