[PSES] SV: SRD for Japan
Hi Helge Thank you for the answer. This gives the need for reading the ARIB STD-19 standard or having it explained. Until now I have only been able to find it in Japanese; maybe it does not exist in an English version. Anybody knows? Best regards, Niels Niels Hougaard Bolls ApS Ved Gadekæret 11F DK-3660 Stenløse Denmark T: +45 48 18 35 66 F: +45 48 18 35 30 n...@bolls.dk www.bolls.dk http://www.bolls.dk/ Fra: Helge Knudsen [mailto:hknud...@mail.tele.dk] Sendt: 3. april 2012 18:11 Til: Niels Hougaard; emc-p...@ieee.org Emne: RE: SRD for Japan Hi Niels, Maybe this could help a bit. http://www.circuitdesign.de/compliance/japan2.asp Best regards Helge Knudsen Denmark From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Niels Hougaard Sent: 3. april 2012 16:48 To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: SRD for Japan Esteemed list-members, Product in question is a transmitter for a pager, using 429,100 MHz and 10 mW. Transmitter holds no previously approvals. Problem is that the transmitter frequency is not within the limit of one channel (channel separation 12,5 kHz). According to what I have found the frequency band of 400 MHz should be for Radio Pager which is regulated by ARIB standard STD-19. This standard I have found but only in Japanese. Do anybody know if the frequency band of 400 MHz could be used for a pager, and if yes what are the limitation of transmitted power and channel separation? Thank you very much in advance Niels Hougaard Niels Hougaard Bolls ApS Ved Gadekæret 11F DK-3660 Stenløse Denmark T: +45 48 18 35 66 F: +45 48 18 35 30 n...@bolls.dk www.bolls.dk http://www.bolls.dk/ - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
[PSES] Test Setup for a Display Powered by a PoE Injector
Dear Members, Could you please give your comments on the test setup for a display (touchpanel) powered by a PoE (power over Ethernet) injector? More specifically: 1. Does the PoE injector need to be part of the EUT (equipment under test) and placed on the turntable next to the EUT? Or, can the PoE injector be placed remotely (under the ground plane or outside of the chamber)? The PoE injector is marketed/packaged separately from the EUT. Both the EUT and PoE injector are marketed by the same manufacturer. 2. There are two ports, in addition to the power port, from the PoE injector: PoE LAN and LAN. PoE LAN port connects to the EUT. Need the LAN port of PoE injector be connected to LAN? 3. Need the LAN port of PoE injector be exercised? If yes, is Ping command good enough? Thank you very much for your time and look forward to hearing from you. Best regards, Grace Lin - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] SV: SRD for Japan
On Wed, 4 Apr 2012 08:19:59 +0200, Niels Hougaard n...@bolls.dk wrote: This gives the need for reading the ARIB STD-19 standard or having it explained. Until now I have only been able to find it in Japanese; maybe it does not exist in an English version. AFAIK, ARIB STD-19 is available only in Japanese, unfortunately. Maybe this could help a bit. http://www.circuitdesign.de/compliance/japan2.asp Although I think you can't do that for your paging transmitters, if your product comply with this extremely low power radio limit, you don't need to think of requirements of ARIB STD-19 including its channel separation requirements. According to what I have found the frequency band of 400 MHz should be for Radio Pager which is regulated by ARIB standard STD-19. This standard I have found but only in Japanese. Do anybody know if the frequency band of 400 MHz could be used for a pager, and if yes what are the limitation of transmitted power and channel separation? Yes, five bands from 429.7500 to 429.8000 can be used for paging systems, with or without answerback mechanism. The maximum transmitter power is 10 mW, and channel separation is 12.5 kHz (-40dBc). Regards, Tom -- Tomonori Sato vef00...@nifty.ne.jp URL: http://homepage3.nifty.com/tsato/ - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
[PSES] Offshore Caribbean Countries - NRTL Listing Required?
Hello Regulatory Experts, Can anyone comment as to the requirement for an NRTL safety listing for commercial food equipment for use in the subject island countries? These units would be rated 120 V, 1 ph and either 50 or 60 Hz. Thanks for any input you may be able to offer. Good day, Richard Pittenger Agency Approval Engineer Food Machines Engineering Hobart/Berkel Disclaimer - This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and contain privileged or copyrighted information. You must not present this message to another party without first gaining permission from the sender. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, print, distribute or use this email or the information contained in it for any purpose other than to notify us. If you received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. We do not guarantee that this email is free from viruses or any other defects although due care has been taken to minimize the risk. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Test Setup for a Display Powered by a PoE Injector
Dear members, I would like to add a question to Lin's message. Should the touch panel be touched during the test (maybe with some moving fixture)? Dieter Paasche From: Grace Lin [mailto:graceli...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 7:51 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Test Setup for a Display Powered by a PoE Injector Dear Members, Could you please give your comments on the test setup for a display (touchpanel) powered by a PoE (power over Ethernet) injector? More specifically: 1. Does the PoE injector need to be part of the EUT (equipment under test) and placed on the turntable next to the EUT? Or, can the PoE injector be placed remotely (under the ground plane or outside of the chamber)? The PoE injector is marketed/packaged separately from the EUT. Both the EUT and PoE injector are marketed by the same manufacturer. 2. There are two ports, in addition to the power port, from the PoE injector: PoE LAN and LAN. PoE LAN port connects to the EUT. Need the LAN port of PoE injector be connected to LAN? 3. Need the LAN port of PoE injector be exercised? If yes, is Ping command good enough? Thank you very much for your time and look forward to hearing from you. Best regards, Grace Lin - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.netmailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.orgmailto:mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.orgmailto:j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.commailto:dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Test Setup for a Display Powered by a PoE Injector
Hi Grace, In regard to your 1st bullet, even though the touchpanel and the POE injector are sold separately and offered as two separate items, the potential of them being sold/bundled together with the intent of a single solution coming from a single manufacturer does exist. I am of the opinion that they need to be tested together. Bullets 2 and 3 are very good questions that I do not have an answer for. I am sure the group can help and look forward to their responses. Mark Schmidt From: Grace Lin [mailto:graceli...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 7:51 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Test Setup for a Display Powered by a PoE Injector Dear Members, Could you please give your comments on the test setup for a display (touchpanel) powered by a PoE (power over Ethernet) injector? More specifically: 1. Does the PoE injector need to be part of the EUT (equipment under test) and placed on the turntable next to the EUT? Or, can the PoE injector be placed remotely (under the ground plane or outside of the chamber)? The PoE injector is marketed/packaged separately from the EUT. Both the EUT and PoE injector are marketed by the same manufacturer. 2. There are two ports, in addition to the power port, from the PoE injector: PoE LAN and LAN. PoE LAN port connects to the EUT. Need the LAN port of PoE injector be connected to LAN? 3. Need the LAN port of PoE injector be exercised? If yes, is Ping command good enough? Thank you very much for your time and look forward to hearing from you. Best regards, Grace Lin - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.netmailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.orgmailto:mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.orgmailto:j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.commailto:dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Test Setup for a Display Powered by a PoE Injector
Hi Grace, 1. Both the display (POE Powered Device (PD)) and POE injector (POE source) should have separate reports. Recommend testing them separately because the general idea of POE source is to provide power to a device at some distance from AC mains source. But they could be tested at the same time. 2 and 3. Yes plug into LAN and yes it must be exercised. Ping may be acceptable for some or most test but Telecom conducted requires a percentage of the rated speed. Immunity requires monitoring performance. Investigate worse case modes of Ethernet speed, 10/100/1000 megabits per second. If POE source is also being evaluated consider worse case loads, may require other POE PDs to get different loads. Looking forward to discussion on Dieter Paasche's added question; Should the touch panel be touched during the test (maybe with some moving fixture)? Is it even possible? Good luck, Rick From: Grace Lin [mailto:graceli...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 5:51 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Test Setup for a Display Powered by a PoE Injector Dear Members, Could you please give your comments on the test setup for a display (touchpanel) powered by a PoE (power over Ethernet) injector? More specifically: 1. Does the PoE injector need to be part of the EUT (equipment under test) and placed on the turntable next to the EUT? Or, can the PoE injector be placed remotely (under the ground plane or outside of the chamber)? The PoE injector is marketed/packaged separately from the EUT. Both the EUT and PoE injector are marketed by the same manufacturer. 2. There are two ports, in addition to the power port, from the PoE injector: PoE LAN and LAN. PoE LAN port connects to the EUT. Need the LAN port of PoE injector be connected to LAN? 3. Need the LAN port of PoE injector be exercised? If yes, is Ping command good enough? Thank you very much for your time and look forward to hearing from you. Best regards, Grace Lin - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.netmailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.orgmailto:mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.orgmailto:j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.commailto:dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Test Setup for a Display Powered by a PoE Injector
Possible - sure. You can get a air powered actuator to touch it, but depending on whether its resistive or capacitive. If capacitive you will likely have to build up a little human model pcb for the probe and get it to ground. The air actuator can be driven outside the chamber, if your air reservoir is sufficient. The electronics for the actuator can be located outside of the chamber itself so won't add noise to the measurement. The drawback is that the actuator itself will provide a little metal cylindrical surface right next to the CRT. You might be able to get low pressure ones that are plastic, but the one's I work with are metal. The one time a tried something similar I was just driving a contact point across a keyboard touchpad primarily for immunity testing, but left it going during the emissions testing and I didn't see any problems associated with having the metal actuator inside the chamber. You could actually put more than one cylinder so that you were touching different areas of the screen if you want. Should you do it, I don't know. Gary From: Rick Linford [mailto:rlinf...@sonicwall.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 10:11 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Test Setup for a Display Powered by a PoE Injector Hi Grace, 1. Both the display (POE Powered Device (PD)) and POE injector (POE source) should have separate reports. Recommend testing them separately because the general idea of POE source is to provide power to a device at some distance from AC mains source. But they could be tested at the same time. 2 and 3. Yes plug into LAN and yes it must be exercised. Ping may be acceptable for some or most test but Telecom conducted requires a percentage of the rated speed. Immunity requires monitoring performance. Investigate worse case modes of Ethernet speed, 10/100/1000 megabits per second. If POE source is also being evaluated consider worse case loads, may require other POE PDs to get different loads. Looking forward to discussion on Dieter Paasche's added question; Should the touch panel be touched during the test (maybe with some moving fixture)? Is it even possible? Good luck, Rick From: Grace Lin [mailto:graceli...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 5:51 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Test Setup for a Display Powered by a PoE Injector Dear Members, Could you please give your comments on the test setup for a display (touchpanel) powered by a PoE (power over Ethernet) injector? More specifically: 1. Does the PoE injector need to be part of the EUT (equipment under test) and placed on the turntable next to the EUT? Or, can the PoE injector be placed remotely (under the ground plane or outside of the chamber)? The PoE injector is marketed/packaged separately from the EUT. Both the EUT and PoE injector are marketed by the same manufacturer. 2. There are two ports, in addition to the power port, from the PoE injector: PoE LAN and LAN. PoE LAN port connects to the EUT. Need the LAN port of PoE injector be connected to LAN? 3. Need the LAN port of PoE injector be exercised? If yes, is Ping command good enough? Thank you very much for your time and look forward to hearing from you. Best regards, Grace Lin - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.netmailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.orgmailto:mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.orgmailto:j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.commailto:dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the
Re: [PSES] Test Setup for a Display Powered by a PoE Injector
There is provision for an artificial hand in leakage tests. Here, the user acts as antenna while using the device and if that's the only radiating conductor on a touch panel, that probably should not be ignored (to avert field problems if nothing else). However, I don't recall anything requiring an artificial user! It would be interesting if a list member has tried the experiment of having a real operator use the touchpad and seeing what resonances are excited, so as to find a suitable wire equivalent. Other wires may make this unnecessary. I believe ports that MAY be used in normal operation, MUST be used during testing. But to exercise them, one needs a signal that occurs often enough to not slow down the test too much. For Quasi-Peak testing, I'd use a signal long enough to allow fully charging the QP detector time constant specified, so if a ping does not last long enough to allow that time constant to charge, a longer test signal should be used. This argues for a message. Cortland Richmond On 4/4/2012 1009, Mark Schmidt wrote: Hi Grace, In regard to your 1^st bullet, even though the touchpanel and the POE injector are sold separately and offered as two separate items, the potential of them being sold/bundled together with the intent of a single solution coming from a single manufacturer does exist. I am of the opinion that they need to be tested together. Bullets 2 and 3 are very good questions that I do not have an answer for. I am sure the group can help and look forward to their responses. Mark Schmidt *From:*Grace Lin [mailto:graceli...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, April 04, 2012 7:51 AM *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG *Subject:* [PSES] Test Setup for a Display Powered by a PoE Injector Dear Members, Could you please give your comments on the test setup for a display (touchpanel) powered by a PoE (power over Ethernet) injector? More specifically: 1. Does the PoE injector need to be part of the EUT (equipment under test) and placed on the turntable next to the EUT? Or, can the PoE injector be placed remotely (under the ground plane or outside of the chamber)? The PoE injector is marketed/packaged separately from the EUT. Both the EUT and PoE injector are marketed by the same manufacturer. 2. There are two ports, in addition to the power port, from the PoE injector: PoE LAN and LAN. PoE LAN port connects to the EUT. Need the LAN port of PoE injector be connected to LAN? 3. Need the LAN port of PoE injector be exercised? If yes, is Ping command good enough? Thank you very much for your time and look forward to hearing from you. Best regards, Grace Lin - - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
