Re: [PSES] Language Translations for EU Declarations of Conformity (DOCs)

[Knighten, Jim L]

To the best of my knowledge the Commission has provided no guidance as to 
specific languages required relative to the RoHS Directive.

__
James L. Knighten, Ph.D.
EMC Engineer
Teradata Corporation
17095 Via Del Campo
San Diego, CA 92127
858-485-2537 - phone
858-485-3788 - fax (unattended)


From: Nick Williams [mailto:nick.willi...@conformance.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 4:24 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Language Translations for EU Declarations of Conformity 
(DOCs)

There is a list of the official languages in the Commission Guide to the 
Machinery Directive, available here:

http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/sectors/mechanical/machinery/

See §246.

English will not suffice - if the Directive says the Declaration needs to be 
translated, then it needs to be in one of the official languages of each state 
in which the product is sold.

I'm pretty sure that failure to deliver the Declaration in the correct 
language(s) has been cited as a non-compliance in enforcement actions in the 
past, although only as one item among several - I'v e never seen it cited as  
sole reason for rejection.

Nick.





On 28 Nov 2012, at 20:43, Monrad Monsen 
mailto:monrad.mon...@oracle.com>> wrote:


RoHS Directive 2011/65/EU, Article 13 (EU Declaration of Conformity) section 2 
states:  "The EU declaration of conformity ... shall be translated into the 
language or languages required by the Member State on the market of which the 
product is placed or made available."

This raises some questions:
1.  What languages are required by the member states for translating 
declarations of conformity (DOCs)?

2.  Would English suffice for a DOC?  I would hope that any one language within 
the community would be acceptable for the DOC, and English would be the easiest 
language for American companies to use.

3.  If a member state does want a DOC in a language other than English, would 
they the English version immediately and then allow the manufacturer time to 
translate the DOC like a period of two months?

RoHS Directive 2011/65/EU becomes mandatory on 1 January 2013, so these 
questions are urgent.

Monrad Monsen
+1.303.272.9612

-


This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc 
discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to 
mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org>>

All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: 
http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html

Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at 
http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used 
formats), large files, etc.

Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/
Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html
List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html

For help, send mail to the list administrators:
Scott Douglas mailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net>>
Mike Cantwell mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org>>

For policy questions, send mail to:
Jim Bacher mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org>>
David Heald mailto:dhe...@gmail.com>>

Nick Williams
Director
Direct line: +44 1298 873811
Mobile: +44 7702 995135
email: nick.willi...@conformance.co.uk

-

Conformance Ltd - Product safety, approvals and CE-marking consultants
The Old Methodist Chapel, Great Hucklow, Buxton, SK17 8RG England
Tel. +44 1298 873800, Fax. +44 1298 873801, 
www.conformance.co.uk
Registered in England, Company No. 3478646

-


This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc 
discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to 
mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org>>

All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: 
http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html

Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at 
http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used 
formats), large files, etc.

Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/
Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html
List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html

For help, send mail to the list administrators:
Scott Douglas mailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net>>
Mike Cantwell mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org>>

For policy questions, send mail to:
Jim Bacher mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org>>
David Heald mailto:dhe...@gmail.com>>

-

This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc 
discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to 


All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at:
http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html

Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at 
http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used 
formats), larg

Re: [PSES] Language Translations for EU Declarations of Conformity (DOCs)

[Nick Williams]

There is a list of the official languages in the Commission Guide to the 
Machinery Directive, available here:

http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/sectors/mechanical/machinery/

See §246. 

English will not suffice - if the Directive says the Declaration needs to be 
translated, then it needs to be in one of the official languages of each state 
in which the product is sold. 

I'm pretty sure that failure to deliver the Declaration in the correct 
language(s) has been cited as a non-compliance in enforcement actions in the 
past, although only as one item among several - I'v e never seen it cited as  
sole reason for rejection. 

Nick. 





On 28 Nov 2012, at 20:43, Monrad Monsen  wrote:

> RoHS Directive 2011/65/EU, Article 13 (EU Declaration of Conformity) section 
> 2 states:  "The EU declaration of conformity ... shall be translated into the 
> language or languages required by the Member State on the market of which the 
> product is placed or made available."
> 
> This raises some questions:
> 1.  What languages are required by the member states for translating 
> declarations of conformity (DOCs)?  
> 
> 2.  Would English suffice for a DOC?  I would hope that any one language 
> within the community would be acceptable for the DOC, and English would be 
> the easiest language for American companies to use.
> 
> 3.  If a member state does want a DOC in a language other than English, would 
> they the English version immediately and then allow the manufacturer time to 
> translate the DOC like a period of two months?
> 
> RoHS Directive 2011/65/EU becomes mandatory on 1 January 2013, so these 
> questions are urgent.
> 
> Monrad Monsen
> +1.303.272.9612
> -
> 
> This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc 
> discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to 
> 
> 
> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: 
> http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html
> 
> Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at 
> http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used 
> formats), large files, etc.
> 
> Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/
> Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html
> List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html
> 
> For help, send mail to the list administrators:
> Scott Douglas 
> Mike Cantwell 
> 
> For policy questions, send mail to:
> Jim Bacher 
> David Heald 
> 

Nick Williams
Director
Direct line: +44 1298 873811
Mobile: +44 7702 995135
email: nick.willi...@conformance.co.uk

-

Conformance Ltd - Product safety, approvals and CE-marking consultants
The Old Methodist Chapel, Great Hucklow, Buxton, SK17 8RG England
Tel. +44 1298 873800, Fax. +44 1298 873801, www.conformance.co.uk
Registered in England, Company No. 3478646


-

This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc 
discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to 


All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at:
http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html

Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at 
http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used 
formats), large files, etc.

Website:  http://www.ieee-pses.org/
Instructions:  http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html
List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html

For help, send mail to the list administrators:
Scott Douglas 
Mike Cantwell 

For policy questions, send mail to:
Jim Bacher:  
David Heald: 

Re: [PSES] Recent information from Germany on Once an Article Always an Article

[Ralph . McDiarmid]

"When law can do no right, let it be lawful that law bar no wrong" 

Shakespeare - from his play "King John"
___ 


Ralph McDiarmid  |   Schneider Electric   |  Solar Business  |   CANADA  | 
  Regulatory Compliance Engineering 




From:
Ed Price 
To:
EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG, 
Date:
11/28/2012 02:39 PM
Subject:
Re: [PSES] Recent information from Germany on Once an Article Always an 
Article



Too late Brian.
By the time I pulled my plug, I was doing more lawyering than EMC
engineering.
Almost all we ever talk about now are legalisms.

Ed Price
Chula Vista, CA
USA
 

-Original Message-
From: Brian Oconnell [mailto:oconne...@tamuracorp.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 11:21 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Recent information from Germany on Once an Article
Always an Article

Must strive to remove lawyers from this process

Brian

-

This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc 
discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to 


All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at:
http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html

Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at 
http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in 
well-used formats), large files, etc.

Website:  http://www.ieee-pses.org/
Instructions:  http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html
List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html

For help, send mail to the list administrators:
Scott Douglas 
Mike Cantwell 

For policy questions, send mail to:
Jim Bacher:  
David Heald: 

__
This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service.
__



-

This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc 
discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to 


All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at:
http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html

Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at 
http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used 
formats), large files, etc.

Website:  http://www.ieee-pses.org/
Instructions:  http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html
List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html

For help, send mail to the list administrators:
Scott Douglas 
Mike Cantwell 

For policy questions, send mail to:
Jim Bacher:  
David Heald: 

Re: [PSES] Recent information from Germany on Once an Article Always an Article

[Ed Price]

Too late Brian.
By the time I pulled my plug, I was doing more lawyering than EMC
engineering.
Almost all we ever talk about now are legalisms.

Ed Price
Chula Vista, CA
USA
 

-Original Message-
From: Brian Oconnell [mailto:oconne...@tamuracorp.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 11:21 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Recent information from Germany on Once an Article
Always an Article

Must strive to remove lawyers from this process

Brian

-

This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc 
discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to 


All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at:
http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html

Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at 
http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used 
formats), large files, etc.

Website:  http://www.ieee-pses.org/
Instructions:  http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html
List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html

For help, send mail to the list administrators:
Scott Douglas 
Mike Cantwell 

For policy questions, send mail to:
Jim Bacher:  
David Heald: 

[PSES] DIY 6 GHz Harmonic Comb Generator

[Ken Wyatt]

Hi All,

I just posted details on a neat DIY 6 GHz comb generator circuit that can be 
ordered as a kit of parts and built for under $30. Most comb generators run out 
of steam about 1 GHz, so this one might be useful to characterize or compare 
chambers up to the FCC limit.

Here's the link: 
http://www.tmworld.com/electronics-blogs/the-emc-blog/4402169/DIY-6-GHz-comb-generator

Hope this is helpful.

Cheers, Ken
___
Kenneth Wyatt
Wyatt Technical Services LLC
Woodland Park, CO
Email Me! | Web Site | Blog
The EMC Blog (T&M World)
Subscribe to Newsletter
Connect with me on LinkedIn


-

This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc 
discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to 


All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at:
http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html

Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at 
http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used 
formats), large files, etc.

Website:  http://www.ieee-pses.org/
Instructions:  http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html
List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html

For help, send mail to the list administrators:
Scott Douglas 
Mike Cantwell 

For policy questions, send mail to:
Jim Bacher:  
David Heald: 

Re: [PSES] Language Translations for EU Declarations of Conformity (DOCs)

[Knighten, Jim L]

Monrad,


1.   To the best of my knowledge there is no definition as to which 
specific languages are required.  My company has taken the position to provide 
the DoC in English plus four European languages (German, French, Italian, & 
Spanish).  If more languages become required, we will deal with it then. 
Practically, the DoC text must be translated.  The list of Directives and 
Standards largely unchanged product to product and do not require much effort 
to translate.  In other words, we have DoC templates in each language.

2.   We have accepted that the implied position of the Directive is that 
English only is not sufficient for DoCs.

3.   Will your approach be sufficient?  I think it is unknown, but clearly 
the intent of the Directive is to provide the DoC in European languages.

P.S.: Our products are not consumer products, so user expectations may be 
different than for consumer products.

Jim

__
James L. Knighten, Ph.D.
EMC Engineer
Teradata Corporation
17095 Via Del Campo
San Diego, CA 92127
858-485-2537 – phone
858-485-3788 – fax (unattended)


From: Monrad Monsen [mailto:monrad.mon...@oracle.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 12:43 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Language Translations for EU Declarations of Conformity (DOCs)

RoHS Directive 2011/65/EU, Article 13 (EU Declaration of Conformity) section 2 
states:  "The EU declaration of conformity ... shall be translated into the 
language or languages required by the Member State on the market of which the 
product is placed or made available."

This raises some questions:
1.  What languages are required by the member states for translating 
declarations of conformity (DOCs)?

2.  Would English suffice for a DOC?  I would hope that any one language within 
the community would be acceptable for the DOC, and English would be the easiest 
language for American companies to use.

3.  If a member state does want a DOC in a language other than English, would 
they the English version immediately and then allow the manufacturer time to 
translate the DOC like a period of two months?

RoHS Directive 2011/65/EU becomes mandatory on 1 January 2013, so these 
questions are urgent.

Monrad Monsen
+1.303.272.9612

-


This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc 
discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to 
mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org>>

All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: 
http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html

Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at 
http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used 
formats), large files, etc.

Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/
Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html
List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html

For help, send mail to the list administrators:
Scott Douglas mailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net>>
Mike Cantwell mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org>>

For policy questions, send mail to:
Jim Bacher mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org>>
David Heald mailto:dhe...@gmail.com>>

-

This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc 
discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to 


All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at:
http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html

Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at 
http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used 
formats), large files, etc.

Website:  http://www.ieee-pses.org/
Instructions:  http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html
List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html

For help, send mail to the list administrators:
Scott Douglas 
Mike Cantwell 

For policy questions, send mail to:
Jim Bacher:  
David Heald: 

Re: [PSES] Language Translations for EU Declarations of Conformity (DOCs)

[Peter_Kelleher]

Some good questions there:

What language is 'required' is up to each member state to decide. Some may well 
accept English (as they have done for many years) but the new wording does 
offer them some additional flexibility. There are precedents for certain 
countries requesting localised DoCs.

The wording does say "shall be translated" rather than "shall be provided" or 
made available.

The timing of the "translation" or how it should be presented is not specified. 
These aspects may be dealt with in future guidance documents. E.g an updated 
Blue Guide or directive specific guide.

Unfortunately we cannot expect to see a revised Blue Guide before the new RoHS 
directive comes into force and I don't think the RoHS FAQ deals with these 
matters either.

Regards

Peter

-



-Original Message-
From: Monrad Monsen [monrad.mon...@oracle.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 08:41 PM GMT Standard Time
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: Language Translations for EU Declarations of Conformity (DOCs)

RoHS Directive 2011/65/EU, Article 13 (EU Declaration of Conformity) section 2 
states:  "The EU declaration of conformity ... shall be translated into the 
language or languages required by the Member State on the market of which the 
product is placed or made available."

This raises some questions:
1.  What languages are required by the member states for translating 
declarations of conformity (DOCs)?

2.  Would English suffice for a DOC?  I would hope that any one language within 
the community would be acceptable for the DOC, and English would be the easiest 
language for American companies to use.

3.  If a member state does want a DOC in a language other than English, would 
they the English version immediately and then allow the manufacturer time to 
translate the DOC like a period of two months?

RoHS Directive 2011/65/EU becomes mandatory on 1 January 2013, so these 
questions are urgent.

Monrad Monsen
+1.303.272.9612
-


This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc 
discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to 
>

All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: 
http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html

Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at 
http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used 
formats), large files, etc.

Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/
Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html
List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html

For help, send mail to the list administrators:
Scott Douglas >
Mike Cantwell >

For policy questions, send mail to:
Jim Bacher >
David Heald >

-

This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc 
discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to 


All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at:
http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html

Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at 
http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used 
formats), large files, etc.

Website:  http://www.ieee-pses.org/
Instructions:  http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html
List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html

For help, send mail to the list administrators:
Scott Douglas 
Mike Cantwell 

For policy questions, send mail to:
Jim Bacher:  
David Heald: 

[PSES] Language Translations for EU Declarations of Conformity (DOCs)

[Monrad Monsen]

RoHS Directive 2011/65/EU, Article 13 (EU Declaration of Conformity) 
section 2 states:  "The EU declaration of conformity ... shall be 
translated into the language or languages required by the Member State 
on the market of which the product is placed or made available."


This raises some questions:
1.  What languages are required by the member states for translating 
declarations of conformity (DOCs)?


2.  Would English suffice for a DOC?  I would hope that any one language 
within the community would be acceptable for the DOC, and English would 
be the easiest language for American companies to use.


3.  If a member state does want a DOC in a language other than English, 
would they the English version immediately and then allow the 
manufacturer time to translate the DOC like a period of two months?


RoHS Directive 2011/65/EU becomes mandatory on 1 January 2013, so these 
questions are urgent.


Monrad Monsen
+1.303.272.9612

-

This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion 
list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to 

All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at:
http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html

Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at 
http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used 
formats), large files, etc.

Website:  http://www.ieee-pses.org/
Instructions:  http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html
List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html

For help, send mail to the list administrators:
Scott Douglas 
Mike Cantwell 

For policy questions, send mail to:
Jim Bacher:  
David Heald: 

Re: [PSES] EN 300 328 V1.8.1 new Adaptive equipment requirements

[Mark Gandler]

Charlie,current mandatory version is 1.7.1. Future (2015) is 1.8.1. Both 
harmonized. 
There is an application note in question which describes additional 
requirements. Only as of last month this Note became mandatory. Note in OJ from 
2009 was simply stating what actual tests been developed in draft 1.8.1. 
Should the "note" be treated as any other new version of the standard, allowing 
grace period? 
Better question: how does one challenge or ask for "official" clarification on 
the matter? 
Mark

From: char...@sulisconsultants.com
To: j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: [PSES] EN 300 328 V1.8.1 new Adaptive equipment requirements
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 08:48:55 +









I’ll write that correctly this time
J
 
UNLIKE many other Directives, the R&TTE Directive REQUIRES the use of a 
Notified Body where Radio Spectrum Standards are NOT applied in full.
 
Harmonised Standards are, in effect, mandatory unless you use a NB – and even 
then, you can’t choose not to apply them because you don’t like them
 


From: Charlie
 Blackham 

Sent: 28 November 2012 08:47

To: 'John Woodgate'; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG

Subject: RE: [PSES] EN 300 328 V1.8.1 new Adaptive equipment requirements


 
UNLIKE many other Directives, the R&TTE Directive REQUIRES the use of a 
Notified Body where Radio Spectrum Standards are applied in full.
 
Regards
Charlie
 
-Original Message-

From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk]


Sent: 28 November 2012 08:23

To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG

Subject: Re: [PSES] EN 300 328 V1.8.1 new Adaptive equipment requirements
 
In message , dated Tue, 27 Nov 
2012, Mark Gandler 
 writes:
 
> I'm not sure how anyone can justify this makes any sense and seems

>like going against the spirit of RTTE and any other EU Directives,

>allowing grace period for any requirement to take place. Simple

>mentioning of something been developed does not substitute a legal 
>recruitment.
 
Agreed; this seems like an erosion of the protection of manufacturers against 
instant changes. Like other Directives, the RTTE Directive contains no 
mandatory requirement to apply harmonized standards and carry out tests (except 
in the
 case of Full Quality Control).
--
OOO - Own Opinions Only. See 
www.jmwa.demon.co.uk The longer it takes to make a point, the more obtuse it 
proves to be.
John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK
 
-

This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc 
discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to 

 
All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at:
http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html
 
Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at
http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used 
formats), large files, etc.
 
Website:  http://www.ieee-pses.org/
Instructions:  
http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html
List rules: 
http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html
 
For help, send mail to the list administrators:
Scott Douglas 
Mike Cantwell 
 
For policy questions, send mail to:
Jim Bacher:  
David Heald: 



-



This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc 
discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to 


All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at:
http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html

Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at 
http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used 
formats), large files, etc.


Website:  http://www.ieee-pses.org/

Instructions:  http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html

List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html

For help, send mail to the list administrators:

Scott Douglas 

Mike Cantwell 

For policy questions, send mail to:

Jim Bacher  

David Heald 
  
-

This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc 
discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to 


All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at:
http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html

Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at 
http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used 
formats), large files, etc.

Website:  http://www.ieee-pses.org/
Instructions:  http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html
List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html

For help, send mail to the list administrators:
Scott Douglas 
Mike Cantwell 

For policy questions, send mail to:
Jim Bacher:  
David Heald: 

Re: [PSES] Recent information from Germany on Once an Article Always an Article

[Brian Oconnell]

Must strive to remove lawyers from this process. What is the INTENDED
purpose of the REACH directive? To prevent bad stuff from entering your
common market? To control concentrations of bad stuff in equipment that will
eventually go to a landfill? To control exposure to bad stuff outside of a
controlled environ? The technical answers to these questions will determine
definition of article.

For at least Germany, the IC is an article only to the end-item mfr as
received. Upon assembly, all that is soldered into the PCB cannot be
considered 'reversibly' removed, so the 'article' is the PCB assembly minus
all of the stuff that can be disconnect by manual means. And the German FAQ
seems to rely on the principle of attachment and containment.

So it seems to be dependent on the equipment's construction, per when it is
placed on the market. And it also seems to depend on the whims and
interpretations of each individual member state.

Brian

-Original Message-
From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of John
Woodgate
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 9:54 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: Recent information from Germany on Once an Article Always
an Article

In message

, dated Wed, 28 Nov 2012, "Crane, Lauren" 
writes:

>ust saw an apparent German REACH CLP helpdesk position from September
>on the ?Once an Article Always an Article?

The lawyers will grow even richer. Is an IC an article? Is a die an
article? Is a bonding wire an article? Is an atom an article? Where does
it stop?
--
OOO - Own Opinions Only. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk
The longer it takes to make a point, the more obtuse it proves to be.
John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK

-

This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc 
discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to 


All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at:
http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html

Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at 
http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used 
formats), large files, etc.

Website:  http://www.ieee-pses.org/
Instructions:  http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html
List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html

For help, send mail to the list administrators:
Scott Douglas 
Mike Cantwell 

For policy questions, send mail to:
Jim Bacher:  
David Heald: 

Re: [PSES] Recent information from Germany on Once an Article Always an Article

[Brian Oconnell]

Did you see this [emphasis is mine]?
 
"Disclaimer 
This information is an interpretation of the Regulations (EC) No. 1907/2006
and / or (EC) No. 
1272/2008 by the Federal Institute for Occupational Safety and Health. It
has been drawn up with the 
greatest possible care and is based on sound knowledge of chemical law. The
information represents 
the national view, which may change on consultation on a European level. Any
legal 
recommendations, information and indications are not binding, and it is
expressly the case that no 
legal advice is given. 
Any liability claims of a material or immaterial nature against the Federal
Institute for Occupational 
Safety and Health which arise from the use or non-use of the information
provided or from the use of 
faulty and incomplete information are hereby invariably excluded unless they
are demonstrably 
attributable to wilful or grossly negligent action by our organisation. 
Any duplication, publication and propagation of the text, including in
electronic form, is subject to the 
express permission of the German Helpdesk."
 
-Original Message-
From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Crane, Lauren
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 9:09 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Recent information from Germany on Once an Article Always an
Article



Just saw an apparent German REACH CLP helpdesk position from September on
the "Once an Article Always an Article" (1O5A) interpretation of articles,
particularly as it relates to REACH article 33. ( link
 )

 

Does anyone have experience with this German position being enforced?

 

Note that the position qualifies the 1O5A a bit by introducing the idea of
"removed reversibly". It seems that under this methodology an IC soldered to
a PCB would not be a separate article any more, but one that is plugged in
would be a separate article. 

 

Regards,

Lauren Crane

KLA-Tencor


-

This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc 
discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to 


All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at:
http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html

Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at 
http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used 
formats), large files, etc.

Website:  http://www.ieee-pses.org/
Instructions:  http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html
List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html

For help, send mail to the list administrators:
Scott Douglas 
Mike Cantwell 

For policy questions, send mail to:
Jim Bacher:  
David Heald: 

Re: [PSES] SV: [PSES] RoHS2 - Harm. Std List in OJ

[Crane, Lauren]

No. You only have presumption of conformity to the issues covered by EN
50581. It's annex ZZ says it only covers the criteria of Article 7 in
the directive. There are many other Articles/obligations to consider.  

 

Regards,

Lauren Crane

KLA-Tencor

 

From: Knighten, Jim L [mailto:jim.knigh...@teradata.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 11:46 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] SV: [PSES] RoHS2 - Harm. Std List in OJ

 

I think the answer is yes.

 

Also, if you meet the requirements of the Harmonized Standard EN
50581:2012, I assume you then have the presumption of conformity to the
RoHS Directive, 2011/65/EU.

 

Jim

 

__ 

James L. Knighten, Ph.D. 
EMC Engineer 
Teradata Corporation 
17095 Via Del Campo 
San Diego, CA 92127 

858-485-2537 - phone 
858-485-3788 - fax (unattended) 

 

From: Amund Westin [mailto:am...@westin-emission.no] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 11:32 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] SV: [PSES] RoHS2 - Harm. Std List in OJ

 

So, the DoC must include have a reference to EN 50581:2012?

 

Best regards,

Amund

 

 

 

-Opprinnelig melding-
Fra: Ron Pickard [mailto:rpick...@equinoxpayments.com] 
Sendt: 27. november 2012 19:38
Til: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Emne: [PSES] RoHS2 - Harm. Std List in OJ

 

Well, it had to happen I suppose. FYI.

 

On 23-Nov, the EU OJ published the first harmonized standards list for
the new RoHS Directive, 2011/65/EU. It can be found at
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:C:2012:363:0006
:0007:EN:PDF
 . There is only the following standard in that list:

 

EN 50581:2012, Technical documentation for the assessment of electrical
and electronic products with respect to the restriction of hazardous
substances

 

Best regards,

 

Ron

 

 

-



This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society
emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your
e-mail to mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org> >

 

All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at:

http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html
 

 

Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site
at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/
  can be used for graphics (in
well-used formats), large files, etc.

 

Website:  http://www.ieee-pses.org/  

Instructions:  http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html
 

List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html
 

 

For help, send mail to the list administrators:

Scott Douglas mailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net>
>

Mike Cantwell mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org> >

 

For policy questions, send mail to:

Jim Bacher:  mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org> >

David Heald: mailto:dhe...@gmail.com> >

-


This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society
emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your
e-mail to 

All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at:
http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html

Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site
at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in
well-used formats), large files, etc.

Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/
Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html
List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html 

For help, send mail to the list administrators:
Scott Douglas 
Mike Cantwell  

For policy questions, send mail to:
Jim Bacher 
David Heald  

-


This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society
emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your
e-mail to 

All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at:
http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html

Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site
at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in
well-used formats), large files, etc.

Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/
Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html
List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html 

For help, send mail to the list administrators:
Scott Douglas 
Mike Cantwell  

For policy questions, send mail to:
Jim Bacher 
David Heald  


-

This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc 
discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to 


All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at:
http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html

Attachm

Re: [PSES] Recent information from Germany on Once an Article Always an Article

[John Woodgate]

In message 

, dated Wed, 28 Nov 2012, "Crane, Lauren"  
writes:


ust saw an apparent German REACH CLP helpdesk position from September 
on the ?Once an Article Always an Article?


The lawyers will grow even richer. Is an IC an article? Is a die an 
article? Is a bonding wire an article? Is an atom an article? Where does 
it stop?

--
OOO - Own Opinions Only. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk
The longer it takes to make a point, the more obtuse it proves to be.
John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK

-

This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion 
list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to 

All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at:
http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html

Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at 
http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used 
formats), large files, etc.

Website:  http://www.ieee-pses.org/
Instructions:  http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html
List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html

For help, send mail to the list administrators:
Scott Douglas 
Mike Cantwell 

For policy questions, send mail to:
Jim Bacher:  
David Heald: 

Re: [PSES] SV: [PSES] RoHS2 - Harm. Std List in OJ

[Knighten, Jim L]

I think the answer is yes.

Also, if you meet the requirements of the Harmonized Standard EN 50581:2012, I 
assume you then have the presumption of conformity to the RoHS Directive, 
2011/65/EU.

Jim

__
James L. Knighten, Ph.D.
EMC Engineer
Teradata Corporation
17095 Via Del Campo
San Diego, CA 92127
858-485-2537 - phone
858-485-3788 - fax (unattended)


From: Amund Westin [mailto:am...@westin-emission.no]
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 11:32 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] SV: [PSES] RoHS2 - Harm. Std List in OJ


So, the DoC must include have a reference to EN 50581:2012?



Best regards,

Amund







-Opprinnelig melding-
Fra: Ron Pickard [mailto:rpick...@equinoxpayments.com]
Sendt: 27. november 2012 19:38
Til: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Emne: [PSES] RoHS2 - Harm. Std List in OJ



Well, it had to happen I suppose. FYI.



On 23-Nov, the EU OJ published the first harmonized standards list for the new 
RoHS Directive, 2011/65/EU. It can be found at 
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:C:2012:363:0006:0007:EN:PDF.
 There is only the following standard in that list:



EN 50581:2012, Technical documentation for the assessment of electrical and 
electronic products with respect to the restriction of hazardous substances



Best regards,



Ron





-



This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc 
discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to 
mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org>>



All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at:

http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html



Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at 
http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used 
formats), large files, etc.



Website:  http://www.ieee-pses.org/

Instructions:  http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html

List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html



For help, send mail to the list administrators:

Scott Douglas mailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net>>

Mike Cantwell mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org>>



For policy questions, send mail to:

Jim Bacher:  mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org>>

David Heald: mailto:dhe...@gmail.com>>
-


This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc 
discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to 
mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org>>

All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: 
http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html

Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at 
http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used 
formats), large files, etc.

Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/
Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html
List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html

For help, send mail to the list administrators:
Scott Douglas mailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net>>
Mike Cantwell mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org>>

For policy questions, send mail to:
Jim Bacher mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org>>
David Heald mailto:dhe...@gmail.com>>

-

This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc 
discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to 


All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at:
http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html

Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at 
http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used 
formats), large files, etc.

Website:  http://www.ieee-pses.org/
Instructions:  http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html
List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html

For help, send mail to the list administrators:
Scott Douglas 
Mike Cantwell 

For policy questions, send mail to:
Jim Bacher:  
David Heald: 

Re: [PSES] SV: [PSES] RoHS2 - Harm. Std List in OJ

[Crane, Lauren]

The use of standards to demonstrate compliance is voluntary, not
mandatory, but if it conformance to the standard is the basis for your
compliance that you want to 'advertise' then yes, mention it in the DoC.


 

Regards,

Lauren Crane

KLA-Tencor

 

From: Amund Westin [mailto:am...@westin-emission.no] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 1:32 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] SV: [PSES] RoHS2 - Harm. Std List in OJ

 

So, the DoC must include have a reference to EN 50581:2012?

 

Best regards,

Amund

 

 

 

-Opprinnelig melding-
Fra: Ron Pickard [mailto:rpick...@equinoxpayments.com] 
Sendt: 27. november 2012 19:38
Til: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Emne: [PSES] RoHS2 - Harm. Std List in OJ

 

Well, it had to happen I suppose. FYI.

 

On 23-Nov, the EU OJ published the first harmonized standards list for
the new RoHS Directive, 2011/65/EU. It can be found at
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:C:2012:363:0006
:0007:EN:PDF
 . There is only the following standard in that list:

 

EN 50581:2012, Technical documentation for the assessment of electrical
and electronic products with respect to the restriction of hazardous
substances

 

Best regards,

 

Ron

 

 

-



This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society
emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your
e-mail to mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org> >

 

All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at:

http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html
 

 

Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site
at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/
  can be used for graphics (in
well-used formats), large files, etc.

 

Website:  http://www.ieee-pses.org/  

Instructions:  http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html
 

List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html
 

 

For help, send mail to the list administrators:

Scott Douglas mailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net>
>

Mike Cantwell mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org> >

 

For policy questions, send mail to:

Jim Bacher:  mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org> >

David Heald: mailto:dhe...@gmail.com> >

-


This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society
emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your
e-mail to 

All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at:
http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html

Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site
at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in
well-used formats), large files, etc.

Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/
Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html
List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html 

For help, send mail to the list administrators:
Scott Douglas 
Mike Cantwell  

For policy questions, send mail to:
Jim Bacher 
David Heald  


-

This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc 
discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to 


All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at:
http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html

Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at 
http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used 
formats), large files, etc.

Website:  http://www.ieee-pses.org/
Instructions:  http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html
List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html

For help, send mail to the list administrators:
Scott Douglas 
Mike Cantwell 

For policy questions, send mail to:
Jim Bacher:  
David Heald: 

[PSES] Recent information from Germany on Once an Article Always an Article

[Crane, Lauren]

Just saw an apparent German REACH CLP helpdesk position from September
on the "Once an Article Always an Article" (1O5A) interpretation of
articles, particularly as it relates to REACH article 33. (link
 )

 

Does anyone have experience with this German position being enforced?

 

Note that the position qualifies the 1O5A a bit by introducing the idea
of "removed reversibly". It seems that under this methodology an IC
soldered to a PCB would not be a separate article any more, but one that
is plugged in would be a separate article. 

 

Regards,

Lauren Crane

KLA-Tencor

 


-

This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc 
discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to 


All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at:
http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html

Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at 
http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used 
formats), large files, etc.

Website:  http://www.ieee-pses.org/
Instructions:  http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html
List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html

For help, send mail to the list administrators:
Scott Douglas 
Mike Cantwell 

For policy questions, send mail to:
Jim Bacher:  
David Heald: 

Re: [PSES] RoHS2 - Harm. Std List in OJ

[Helge Knudsen]

Hello Ilan,

The list is on the EU web site now, try again.

Br
Helge Knudsen
Denmark

-Original Message-
From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Ilan Cohen
Sent: 28. november 2012 09:42
To: oconne...@tamuracorp.com; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: RoHS2 - Harm. Std List in OJ

Guys

It is not showing up on the EU web site?!
http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/policies/european-standards/harmonised-standa
rds/restriction-of-hazardous-substances/index_en.htm

Ilan 

-Original Message-
From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Brian
Oconnell
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 9:10 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: RoHS2 - Harm. Std List in OJ

Thank you sir, for this most unkind news.

So we have formal report and data requirements, but no approved test method.
The European regulators really need to get a life...

So what will happen to EN62321 and IEC62476?

Brian

-Original Message-
From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Ron Pickard
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 10:38 AM
To: EMC-PSTC (EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG)
Subject: RoHS2 - Harm. Std List in OJ

Well, it had to happen I suppose. FYI.

On 23-Nov, the EU OJ published the first harmonized standards list for the
new RoHS Directive, 2011/65/EU. It can be found at
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:C:2012:363:0006:000
7:EN:PDF. There is only the following standard in that list:

EN 50581:2012, Technical documentation for the assessment of electrical and
electronic products with respect to the restriction of hazardous substances

Best regards,

Ron

-

This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc
discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to


All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at:
http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html

Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at
http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in
well-used formats), large files, etc.

Website:  http://www.ieee-pses.org/
Instructions:  http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html
List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html

For help, send mail to the list administrators:
Scott Douglas 
Mike Cantwell 

For policy questions, send mail to:
Jim Bacher:  
David Heald: 

-

This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc
discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to


All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at:
http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html

Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at
http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in
well-used formats), large files, etc.

Website:  http://www.ieee-pses.org/
Instructions:  http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html
List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html

For help, send mail to the list administrators:
Scott Douglas 
Mike Cantwell 

For policy questions, send mail to:
Jim Bacher:  
David Heald: 

-

This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc 
discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to 


All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at:
http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html

Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at 
http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used 
formats), large files, etc.

Website:  http://www.ieee-pses.org/
Instructions:  http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html
List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html

For help, send mail to the list administrators:
Scott Douglas 
Mike Cantwell 

For policy questions, send mail to:
Jim Bacher:  
David Heald: 

Re: [PSES] RoHS2 - Harm. Std List in OJ

[Ron Pickard RPQ]

Hi Ilan,
Please check again as it is showing now. They may have updated it just after
your email was sent.

Best regards,

Ron Pickard

-Original Message-
From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Ilan Cohen
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 1:42 AM
To: oconne...@tamuracorp.com; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: RoHS2 - Harm. Std List in OJ

Guys

It is not showing up on the EU web site?!
http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/policies/european-standards/harmonised-standa
rds/restriction-of-hazardous-substances/index_en.htm

Ilan 

-Original Message-
From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Brian
Oconnell
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 9:10 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: RoHS2 - Harm. Std List in OJ

Thank you sir, for this most unkind news.

So we have formal report and data requirements, but no approved test method.
The European regulators really need to get a life...

So what will happen to EN62321 and IEC62476?

Brian

-Original Message-
From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Ron Pickard
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 10:38 AM
To: EMC-PSTC (EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG)
Subject: RoHS2 - Harm. Std List in OJ

Well, it had to happen I suppose. FYI.

On 23-Nov, the EU OJ published the first harmonized standards list for the
new RoHS Directive, 2011/65/EU. It can be found at
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:C:2012:363:0006:000
7:EN:PDF. There is only the following standard in that list:

EN 50581:2012, Technical documentation for the assessment of electrical and
electronic products with respect to the restriction of hazardous substances

Best regards,

Ron

-

This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc
discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to


All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at:
http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html

Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at
http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in
well-used formats), large files, etc.

Website:  http://www.ieee-pses.org/
Instructions:  http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html
List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html

For help, send mail to the list administrators:
Scott Douglas 
Mike Cantwell 

For policy questions, send mail to:
Jim Bacher:  
David Heald: 

-

This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc
discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to


All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at:
http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html

Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at
http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in
well-used formats), large files, etc.

Website:  http://www.ieee-pses.org/
Instructions:  http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html
List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html

For help, send mail to the list administrators:
Scott Douglas 
Mike Cantwell 

For policy questions, send mail to:
Jim Bacher:  
David Heald: 

-

This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc 
discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to 


All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at:
http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html

Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at 
http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used 
formats), large files, etc.

Website:  http://www.ieee-pses.org/
Instructions:  http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html
List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html

For help, send mail to the list administrators:
Scott Douglas 
Mike Cantwell 

For policy questions, send mail to:
Jim Bacher:  
David Heald: 

[PSES] DO-160 testing solution

[J.D Kim]

Dear All

 

I'm interested in DO-160 Testing.

I'm collecting some information about manufacture to provide solution
related with DO-160 EMC section.

If you know about manufacture or DO-160 specialist, please let me know.

 

Thanks and Best Regards

J.D

 

 


-

This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc 
discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to 


All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at:
http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html

Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at 
http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used 
formats), large files, etc.

Website:  http://www.ieee-pses.org/
Instructions:  http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html
List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html

For help, send mail to the list administrators:
Scott Douglas 
Mike Cantwell 

For policy questions, send mail to:
Jim Bacher:  
David Heald: 

Re: [PSES] RoHS2 - Harm. Std List in OJ

[Ilan Cohen]

Guys

It is not showing up on the EU web site?!
http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/policies/european-standards/harmonised-standards/restriction-of-hazardous-substances/index_en.htm

Ilan 

-Original Message-
From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Brian Oconnell
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 9:10 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: RoHS2 - Harm. Std List in OJ

Thank you sir, for this most unkind news.

So we have formal report and data requirements, but no approved test method.
The European regulators really need to get a life...

So what will happen to EN62321 and IEC62476?

Brian

-Original Message-
From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Ron Pickard
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 10:38 AM
To: EMC-PSTC (EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG)
Subject: RoHS2 - Harm. Std List in OJ

Well, it had to happen I suppose. FYI.

On 23-Nov, the EU OJ published the first harmonized standards list for the new 
RoHS Directive, 2011/65/EU. It can be found at
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:C:2012:363:0006:000
7:EN:PDF. There is only the following standard in that list:

EN 50581:2012, Technical documentation for the assessment of electrical and 
electronic products with respect to the restriction of hazardous substances

Best regards,

Ron

-

This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc 
discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to 


All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at:
http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html

Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at 
http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used 
formats), large files, etc.

Website:  http://www.ieee-pses.org/
Instructions:  http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html
List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html

For help, send mail to the list administrators:
Scott Douglas 
Mike Cantwell 

For policy questions, send mail to:
Jim Bacher:  
David Heald: 

-

This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc 
discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to 


All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at:
http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html

Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at 
http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used 
formats), large files, etc.

Website:  http://www.ieee-pses.org/
Instructions:  http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html
List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html

For help, send mail to the list administrators:
Scott Douglas 
Mike Cantwell 

For policy questions, send mail to:
Jim Bacher:  
David Heald: 

[PSES] I am out of the office - until 10/23/2012

[Rene Charton/Twn/TUV]

I will be out of the office starting  11/28/2012 and will not return until
11/30/2012.

I will have very limited access to my e-mail,
therefore please contact my deputy:
arvin...@twn.tuv.com

-

This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc 
discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to 


All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at:
http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html

Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at 
http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used 
formats), large files, etc.

Website:  http://www.ieee-pses.org/
Instructions:  http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html
List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html

For help, send mail to the list administrators:
Scott Douglas 
Mike Cantwell 

For policy questions, send mail to:
Jim Bacher:  
David Heald: 

Re: [PSES] EN 300 328 V1.8.1 new Adaptive equipment requirements

[Charlie Blackham]

I'll write that correctly this time :)

UNLIKE many other Directives, the R&TTE Directive REQUIRES the use of a 
Notified Body where Radio Spectrum Standards are NOT applied in full.

Harmonised Standards are, in effect, mandatory unless you use a NB - and even 
then, you can't choose not to apply them because you don't like them

From: Charlie Blackham
Sent: 28 November 2012 08:47
To: 'John Woodgate'; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: [PSES] EN 300 328 V1.8.1 new Adaptive equipment requirements


UNLIKE many other Directives, the R&TTE Directive REQUIRES the use of a 
Notified Body where Radio Spectrum Standards are applied in full.



Regards

Charlie



-Original Message-
From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk]
Sent: 28 November 2012 08:23
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] EN 300 328 V1.8.1 new Adaptive equipment requirements



In message 
mailto:snt108-w4738469ded84b4fb7df60ad...@phx.gbl>>,
 dated Tue, 27 Nov 2012, Mark Gandler 
mailto:markgand...@hotmail.com>> writes:



> I'm not sure how anyone can justify this makes any sense and seems

>like going against the spirit of RTTE and any other EU Directives,

>allowing grace period for any requirement to take place. Simple

>mentioning of something been developed does not substitute a legal

>recruitment.



Agreed; this seems like an erosion of the protection of manufacturers against 
instant changes. Like other Directives, the RTTE Directive contains no 
mandatory requirement to apply harmonized standards and carry out tests (except 
in the case of Full Quality Control).

--

OOO - Own Opinions Only. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk 
The longer it takes to make a point, the more obtuse it proves to be.

John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK



-



This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc 
discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to 
mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org>>



All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at:

http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html



Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at 
http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used 
formats), large files, etc.



Website:  http://www.ieee-pses.org/

Instructions:  http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html

List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html



For help, send mail to the list administrators:

Scott Douglas mailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net>>

Mike Cantwell mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org>>



For policy questions, send mail to:

Jim Bacher:  mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org>>

David Heald: mailto:dhe...@gmail.com>>

-

This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc 
discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to 


All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at:
http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html

Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at 
http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used 
formats), large files, etc.

Website:  http://www.ieee-pses.org/
Instructions:  http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html
List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html

For help, send mail to the list administrators:
Scott Douglas 
Mike Cantwell 

For policy questions, send mail to:
Jim Bacher:  
David Heald: 

Re: [PSES] EN 300 328 V1.8.1 new Adaptive equipment requirements

[Charlie Blackham]

UNLIKE many other Directives, the R&TTE Directive REQUIRES the use of a 
Notified Body where Radio Spectrum Standards are applied in full.



Regards

Charlie



-Original Message-
From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk]
Sent: 28 November 2012 08:23
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] EN 300 328 V1.8.1 new Adaptive equipment requirements



In message 
mailto:snt108-w4738469ded84b4fb7df60ad...@phx.gbl>>,
 dated Tue, 27 Nov 2012, Mark Gandler 
mailto:markgand...@hotmail.com>> writes:



> I'm not sure how anyone can justify this makes any sense and seems

>like going against the spirit of RTTE and any other EU Directives,

>allowing grace period for any requirement to take place. Simple

>mentioning of something been developed does not substitute a legal

>recruitment.



Agreed; this seems like an erosion of the protection of manufacturers against 
instant changes. Like other Directives, the RTTE Directive contains no 
mandatory requirement to apply harmonized standards and carry out tests (except 
in the case of Full Quality Control).

--

OOO - Own Opinions Only. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk 
The longer it takes to make a point, the more obtuse it proves to be.

John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK



-



This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc 
discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to 
mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org>>



All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at:

http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html



Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at 
http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used 
formats), large files, etc.



Website:  http://www.ieee-pses.org/

Instructions:  http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html

List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html



For help, send mail to the list administrators:

Scott Douglas mailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net>>

Mike Cantwell mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org>>



For policy questions, send mail to:

Jim Bacher:  mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org>>

David Heald: mailto:dhe...@gmail.com>>

-

This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc 
discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to 


All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at:
http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html

Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at 
http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used 
formats), large files, etc.

Website:  http://www.ieee-pses.org/
Instructions:  http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html
List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html

For help, send mail to the list administrators:
Scott Douglas 
Mike Cantwell 

For policy questions, send mail to:
Jim Bacher:  
David Heald: 

Re: [PSES] EN 300 328 V1.8.1 new Adaptive equipment requirements

[John Woodgate]

In message , dated Tue, 27 
Nov 2012, Mark Gandler  writes:


I'm not sure how anyone can justify this makes any sense and seems 
like going against the spirit of RTTE and any other EU Directives, 
allowing grace period for any requirement to take place. Simple 
mentioning of something been developed does not substitute a 
legal recruitment.


Agreed; this seems like an erosion of the protection of manufacturers 
against instant changes. Like other Directives, the RTTE Directive 
contains no mandatory requirement to apply harmonized standards and 
carry out tests (except in the case of Full Quality Control).

--
OOO - Own Opinions Only. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk
The longer it takes to make a point, the more obtuse it proves to be.
John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK

-

This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion 
list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to 

All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at:
http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html

Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at 
http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used 
formats), large files, etc.

Website:  http://www.ieee-pses.org/
Instructions:  http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html
List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html

For help, send mail to the list administrators:
Scott Douglas 
Mike Cantwell 

For policy questions, send mail to:
Jim Bacher:  
David Heald: 

[PSES] SV: [PSES] RoHS2 - Harm. Std List in OJ

[Amund Westin]

So, the DoC must include have a reference to EN 50581:2012?

 

Best regards,

Amund

 

 

-Opprinnelig melding-
Fra: Ron Pickard [mailto:rpick...@equinoxpayments.com] 
Sendt: 27. november 2012 19:38
Til: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Emne: [PSES] RoHS2 - Harm. Std List in OJ

 

Well, it had to happen I suppose. FYI.

 

On 23-Nov, the EU OJ published the first harmonized standards list for the
new RoHS Directive, 2011/65/EU. It can be found at

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:C:2012:363:0006:000
7:EN:PDF. There is only the following standard in that list:

 

EN 50581:2012, Technical documentation for the assessment of electrical and
electronic products with respect to the restriction of hazardous substances

 

Best regards,

 

Ron

 

 

-



This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc
discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <
 emc-p...@ieee.org>

 

All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at:

 
http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html

 

Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at

http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in
well-used formats), large files, etc.

 

Website:    http://www.ieee-pses.org/

Instructions:   
http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html

List rules:  
http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html

 

For help, send mail to the list administrators:

Scott Douglas <  emcp...@radiusnorth.net>

Mike Cantwell <  mcantw...@ieee.org>

 

For policy questions, send mail to:

Jim Bacher:  <  j.bac...@ieee.org>

David Heald: <  dhe...@gmail.com>


-

This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc 
discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to 


All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at:
http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html

Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at 
http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used 
formats), large files, etc.

Website:  http://www.ieee-pses.org/
Instructions:  http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html
List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html

For help, send mail to the list administrators:
Scott Douglas 
Mike Cantwell 

For policy questions, send mail to:
Jim Bacher:  
David Heald: