[PSES] CISPR 32; CISPR 35

[itl-emc user group]

Hello,
Does anyone have any idea/indication as to when CISPR 32 and CISPR 35 will be 
adopted by the EU and appear in the EMCD list of harmonised standards?
Also I saw on the IEC website that Edition 2.0 of CISPR 32 is being prepared. 
Any ideas?


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Re: [PSES] standards update and legal madness

[McInturff, Gary]

Point 2 - the manufacturer likely built to the prints and requirements stated 
in the functional specification at the time the product was being bid, and 
subsequent development. If there were known changes coming into effect that 
would be a point of discussion during the product development and the 
functional specification update at that time to reference the changed standard. 
But they are not soothsayers who can predict the entire future of a standard. 
It appears the company in this case did exactly the correct thing. They built 
the equipment to the customers functional specifications, maintained the design 
in a consistent fashion with those specifications and when a change that was 
not in the functional specification came about they contacted the customer to 
see if they wished to make said changes, and informed them of the cost and time 
required to make them. 



Gary

-Original Message-
From: John Shinn [mailto:jmsh...@pacbell.net] 
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 1:09 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] standards update and legal madness

1. John Woodgate makes an excellent point regarding why didn't the 
manufacture
know about the Standard Changes.

2. Does the manufacturer build to the customer's prints and requirements? 
If so,
why didn't the customer know about the Standard Changes?

John Shinn

-Original Message- 
From: John Woodgate
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 11:45 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] standards update and legal madness

In message
<518cfcd229674efe916347038430c...@blupr02mb116.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
, dated Fri, 8 Nov 2013, Brian Oconnell 
writes:

>A company makes a component for North American market designed for the 
>needs of a single customer. The company received notices from CSA and UL 
>with tabulation of standards corrections. The company informed affected 
>customer of time and cost to update.

H'mmm. Why didn't the manufacturer know about the changes to the
standards? Or is it a case of a running product that now needs to
conform to updated, **improved** standards? That's how the real world
works, not how the inhabitants of Planet Legal might like it to work.
>
>The company then receives letter from the customer's legal dweebs - they 
>want to see complete list of organizations and individuals that 
>"contributed to the errors" that caused a mandatory update to the standard.

I'd be inclined to say that the culprits, if there are any, are UL and
CSA and their managers! Standards committee members offer their work for
approval at several stages in the organizations before the work is
published.

There is a big and vulnerable assumption that 'errors' are involved, but
a defence based on 'state of the art' can be problematical because the
legal people who have to present the case, however intelligent, cannot
possibly absorb all the background that is involved in determining
'state of the art'. For example, what has been done once, or even a
hundred times, in a university laboratory isn't state of the art in the
real world. It's only state of the art if you can buy it or manufacture
it.
>
>The company's customer is considering pursuing a tort for lost opportunity 
>and professional incompetence. Has this ever been done? Has a member of a 
>TC/WG ever been served with a subpoena for this stuff? Is this stupid or 
>just insane?

It is beside the point but in Britain the British Standards Institution
has legal protection against such an action.
-- 
OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk
Nondum ex silvis sumus
John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK

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Re: [PSES] standards update and legal madness

[Peter Tarver]

Brian -

Threats of tort is commonly used to try to get someone else to absorb the
types of costs described below.  Depending on the actual cost of the
required product fixes, one side or the other may decide to eat the costs,
simply based on the typically exorbitant legal costs for pursuing a tort
and the potential for losing.

The contracted company's legal dweebs need to review the contract to see
if "professional incompetence" is on their side or on the part of the
contracting company.  Meaning, how specific was the contract in specifying
the applicable standards and was there any presumption of continuing
compliance over time.  This ties into John Shinn's question about, "build
to print," which is a contract manufacturer's backup Plan A.

As far as the who's who, simply direct them to the committee responsible
for the standard and let them tease out its membership.  It should not be
the contracted company's responsibility to take action beyond this minimal
level, unless there's a desire to play extra nice until it's time to not
play nice.

If the contracted company's legal dweebs are on the ball, they're most
likely already on these issues.


Regards,

Peter Tarver

> -Original Message-
> From: Brian Oconnell [mailto:oconne...@tamuracorp.com]
> Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 10:46
> To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> Subject: [PSES] standards update and legal madness
>
> None of this is a representation of my employer.
>
> A company makes a component for North American market
> designed for the needs of a single customer. The
> company received notices from CSA and UL with
> tabulation of standards corrections. The company
> informed affected customer of time and cost to update.
>
> The company then receives letter from the customer's
> legal dweebs - they want to see complete list of
> organizations and individuals that "contributed to the
> errors" that caused a mandatory update to the standard.
>
> The company's customer is considering pursuing a tort
> for lost opportunity and professional incompetence. Has
> this ever been done? Has a member of a TC/WG ever been
> served with a subpoena for this stuff? Is this stupid
> or just insane?
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[PSES] Lead/Staff EMC Design engineer position in Bangalore, India

[Oscar Fallah]

Hello,

We have an immediate opening for a Lead/Staff EMC Design engineer.  I am
the hiring manager, and position is in Bangalore, India.

Below please find the description and requirements for this position.

Thanks,
Oscar Fallah

Sr. Manager, EMC Design Engineering
Juniper Networks Inc.



**Lead/EMC Staff Design Engineer**
As an EMC Staff Design Engineer at Juniper Networks, you will be working as
part of a multi-disciplinary team involved in product design and
development from concept through final release.  ensuring that EMC
compliance is designed-in to the product.  You will work with development
engineering teams on EMC issues at the PCB and system level. The ability to
work well with project teams in a highly-matrix organization to achieve
results that meet all product requirements is a required asset.

The position requires:

· Solid understanding of EM phenomenon physics

· System design and EMC testing experience with high speed (
multi-gigahertz) networking systems.  (Mechanical & Design background).

· Experience with EMC modeling and prediction tools.

· Experience in design of power supply modules and systems for
power integrity and EMC.

· Good understanding of mechanical constraints, and ability to
evaluate a chassis concept design for EMC Analysis.

· Participation in project teams to design EMC into the products
from concept stage, to production, and during sustenance.

·  Current on international EMC standards including GR1089-CORE
with emphasis on section-4 that are applicable to networking equipment.

· Experience in EMC design and compliance aspects of wireless
technologies including WLAN 802.11+ and 3G are a plus.

*Education:* BS or post graduate work in electrical engineering or physics
with 8+ years of direct experience

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