Re: [PSES] Will there be an IEC electrical safety standard for E-cigarettes?

2020-12-11 Thread Joe Randolph 
Thanks to everyone who has responded to my question about IEC standards for 
E-cigarettes.  From reading all the responses, here is my current understanding:

 

1)  For ELECTRICAL SAFETY of E-cigarettes and vaping devices, the currently 
applicable standard is 60335-1.

 

2)  Work currently underway in TC 61 will eventually lead to 
product-specific sub-parts of 60335-1, but that will likely not happen until 
2023.

 

3)  Aside from questions of ELECTRICAL SAFETY, the EU has additional 
HEALTH-RELATED regulations that are in place today.  These are in addition to 
aspects of electrical safety covered by 60335-1.

 

Does this sound like a correct summary of the situation?

 

 

Thanks,

 

Joe Randolph

Telecom Design Consultant

Randolph Telecom, Inc.

781-721-2848 (USA)

  j...@randolph-telecom.com

  http://www.randolph-telecom.com

 

From: Bob Griffin [mailto:bobgrif...@nc.rr.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 12:29 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Will there be an IEC electrical safety standard for 
E-cigarettes?

 

Dan has the technical work correctly identified imo. IECEE CTL issued a 
Decision(DSH2115) that proposes the IEC60335-1 in the interim. This was 
affirmed by CTL in 2019 and IECEE WG29 in 2020. noting the TC61 development 
ongoing in Dan’s note.   Decision DSH 2115 is available on the IECEE’s website.

 

A broader or related issue was considered by IECEE management on the 
certification of ethically questionably products  like  e-cigarettes, weapons 
etc..(their terms, not mine) and it was referred to the IEC Conformity 
Assessment Board (CAB) to ensure their work is in line with IEC’s ethical codes 
and liability considerations. No idea if CAB did anything with this at their 
Nov2020 meeting

 

"Chaotic times have a way of reordering reality”  - wsj oped

 

Bob Griffin

919 426 9565

bobgrif...@nc.rr.com  

 

 





On 11Dec, 2020, at 09:49, Dan Roman 
<0d75e04ed751-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org 
 > wrote:

 

Hi Joe,

 

TC 61 is indeed working on this.  Of particular interest to you are probably:

 

 

 IEC 60335-2-120 ED1

Household and similar electrical appliances – Safety – Part 2-120: Particular 
requirements for electric heaters for tobacco products (EHTP)

 

 

 IEC 60335-2-121 ED1

Household and similar electrical appliances – Safety – Part 2-121: Particular 
requirements for portable vaping devices

 

Not sure how much immediate help they would be as the forecasted release date 
is July 2023.  They are both in the “Approved for CD” stage.  Our PSES friend 
and frequent presenter at PSES conferences Fiore Chiang (from UL I believe) is 
the project leader for -121.  Yusuke Suzuki is the project leader for -120.  
You can follow the links above for more information and if you know someone on 
TC 61 they may be able to give you info on the drafts.

 

Stay safe, stay well.

 

Dan

 

 

 

From: Joe Randolph [  
mailto:j...@randolph-telecom.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2020 2:00 PM
To:   EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Will there be an IEC electrical safety standard for 
E-cigarettes?

 

Hello All:

 

In 2018 here in the USA, UL published a Standard for Safety, UL-8139, 
“Electrical Systems of Electronic Cigarettes and Vaping Devices.”

 

I’ve looked at the IEC web site to see whether a similar international standard 
has emerged, but so far I have not found one.

 

Does anyone know whether such a standard is in the developmental stages within 
the IEC?

 

In the meantime, the closest existing IEC standard that might be used for 
electrical safety of E-cigarettes appears to be IEC 60335 for “Household and 
Similar Electrical Appliances - Safety.”

 

 

Thanks,

 

Joe Randolph

Telecom Design Consultant

Randolph Telecom, Inc.

781-721-2848 (USA)

  j...@randolph-telecom.com

  http://www.randolph-telecom.com

 

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Re: [PSES] Israel Ministry of Communications

2020-12-11 Thread N. Shani 
Search of said ministry brought me to the government portal: 
https://www.gov.il/en/Departments/ministry_of_communications 


Depending on the subject (for which you need to scroll down), you may - or may 
not - find your desired info as sadly, no Contact Us info is supplied.
If you do find something, and it’s given in Hebrew, I’ll be glad to assist 
(with the translation, am not on teh ground there).

Cheers,
Naftali Shani
Ottawa, ON

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[PSES] Israel Ministry of Communications

2020-12-11 Thread Chester Summers 
Greetings, all-
I'm looking for the email address and mailing address for Israel's Ministry of 
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Re: [PSES] Keytek EMC Pro direct surge output question

2020-12-11 Thread James Pawson (U3C) 
Hi Bob,

 

I know my KeyTek ECAT does have the 18uF. Not sure if that helps much
though.

 

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From: Sykes, Bob  
Sent: 11 December 2020 20:39
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Keytek EMC Pro direct surge output question

 

Worldly Experts,

 

I've been asked to perform data-line surge testing on shielded cables per EN
61000-4-5 (para. 7.6)

 

My question is:  Does anyone know if the Keytek EMC Pro surge generator has
the 18uF capacitor (referenced in para 7.6 and 6.2.3 of the standard) built
into the internal CDN?

This is the first time I have attempted this test.  The EMC Pro manual has
little details on this and Keytek (the company) is long gone.

 

adTHANKSvance,

Bob Sykes

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[PSES] Keytek EMC Pro direct surge output question

2020-12-11 Thread Sykes, Bob 
Worldly Experts,

I've been asked to perform data-line surge testing on shielded cables per EN 
61000-4-5 (para. 7.6)

My question is:  Does anyone know if the Keytek EMC Pro surge generator has the 
18uF capacitor (referenced in para 7.6 and 6.2.3 of the standard) built into 
the internal CDN?
This is the first time I have attempted this test.  The EMC Pro manual has 
little details on this and Keytek (the company) is long gone.

adTHANKSvance,
Bob Sykes


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Re: [PSES] Will there be an IEC electrical safety standard for E-cigarettes?

2020-12-11 Thread Bob Griffin 
Dan has the technical work correctly identified imo. IECEE CTL issued a 
Decision(DSH2115) that proposes the IEC60335-1 in the interim. This was 
affirmed by CTL in 2019 and IECEE WG29 in 2020. noting the TC61 development 
ongoing in Dan’s note.   Decision DSH 2115 is available on the IECEE’s website.

A broader or related issue was considered by IECEE management on the 
certification of ethically questionably products  like  e-cigarettes, weapons 
etc..(their terms, not mine) and it was referred to the IEC Conformity 
Assessment Board (CAB) to ensure their work is in line with IEC’s ethical codes 
and liability considerations. No idea if CAB did anything with this at their 
Nov2020 meeting

"Chaotic times have a way of reordering reality”  - wsj oped

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> On 11Dec, 2020, at 09:49, Dan Roman 
> <0d75e04ed751-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Joe,
>  
> TC 61 is indeed working on this.  Of particular interest to you are probably:
>  
> IEC 60335-2-120 ED1 
> 
> Household and similar electrical appliances – Safety – Part 2-120: Particular 
> requirements for electric heaters for tobacco products (EHTP)
>  
> IEC 60335-2-121 ED1 
> 
> Household and similar electrical appliances – Safety – Part 2-121: Particular 
> requirements for portable vaping devices
>  
> Not sure how much immediate help they would be as the forecasted release date 
> is July 2023.  They are both in the “Approved for CD” stage.  Our PSES friend 
> and frequent presenter at PSES conferences Fiore Chiang (from UL I believe) 
> is the project leader for -121.  Yusuke Suzuki is the project leader for 
> -120.  You can follow the links above for more information and if you know 
> someone on TC 61 they may be able to give you info on the drafts.
>  
> Stay safe, stay well.
>  
> Dan
>  
>  
>  
> From: Joe Randolph [mailto:j...@randolph-telecom.com 
> ] 
> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2020 2:00 PM
> To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG 
> Subject: [PSES] Will there be an IEC electrical safety standard for 
> E-cigarettes?
>  
> Hello All:
>  
> In 2018 here in the USA, UL published a Standard for Safety, UL-8139, 
> “Electrical Systems of Electronic Cigarettes and Vaping Devices.”
>  
> I’ve looked at the IEC web site to see whether a similar international 
> standard has emerged, but so far I have not found one.
>  
> Does anyone know whether such a standard is in the developmental stages 
> within the IEC?
>  
> In the meantime, the closest existing IEC standard that might be used for 
> electrical safety of E-cigarettes appears to be IEC 60335 for “Household and 
> Similar Electrical Appliances - Safety.”
>  
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> Joe Randolph
> Telecom Design Consultant
> Randolph Telecom, Inc.
> 781-721-2848 (USA)
> j...@randolph-telecom.com 
> http://www.randolph-telecom.com 
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Re: [PSES] Will there be an IEC electrical safety standard for E-cigarettes?

2020-12-11 Thread Dan Roman 
Hi Joe,

 

TC 61 is indeed working on this.  Of particular interest to you are
probably:

 

 
 IEC 60335-2-120 ED1

Household and similar electrical appliances - Safety - Part 2-120:
Particular requirements for electric heaters for tobacco products (EHTP)

 

 
 IEC 60335-2-121 ED1

Household and similar electrical appliances - Safety - Part 2-121:
Particular requirements for portable vaping devices

 

Not sure how much immediate help they would be as the forecasted release
date is July 2023.  They are both in the "Approved for CD" stage.  Our PSES
friend and frequent presenter at PSES conferences Fiore Chiang (from UL I
believe) is the project leader for -121.  Yusuke Suzuki is the project
leader for -120.  You can follow the links above for more information and if
you know someone on TC 61 they may be able to give you info on the drafts.

 

Stay safe, stay well.

 

Dan

 

 

 

From: Joe Randolph [mailto:j...@randolph-telecom.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2020 2:00 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Will there be an IEC electrical safety standard for
E-cigarettes?

 

Hello All:

 

In 2018 here in the USA, UL published a Standard for Safety, UL-8139,
"Electrical Systems of Electronic Cigarettes and Vaping Devices."

 

I've looked at the IEC web site to see whether a similar international
standard has emerged, but so far I have not found one.

 

Does anyone know whether such a standard is in the developmental stages
within the IEC?

 

In the meantime, the closest existing IEC standard that might be used for
electrical safety of E-cigarettes appears to be IEC 60335 for "Household and
Similar Electrical Appliances - Safety."

 

 

Thanks,

 

Joe Randolph

Telecom Design Consultant

Randolph Telecom, Inc.

781-721-2848 (USA)

j...@randolph-telecom.com  

http://www.randolph-telecom.com

 

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