Re: [PSES] Electrical safety certification for US / Canada

[Doug Nix]

The same is true for Canada. You can check the scope of accreditation for an 
organization by looking them up on the SCC website: 
https://www.scc.ca/en/accreditation/programs/product-process-and-service-certification/directory
 


If you’re looking for the accreditation scope for an Inspection Body, you can 
find that here: 
https://www.scc.ca/en/accreditation/programs/inspection-bodies/directory 


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> On 16-Feb-21, at 11:28, Douglas E Powell  wrote:
> 
> If you check with the OSHA NRTL listing you can click into each organization 
> and see the list of standards to which they are authorized to test and 
> certify.  I have not compiled a full list as it can be time consuming.  
> 
> https://www.osha.gov/nationally-recognized-testing-laboratory-program/current-list-of-nrtls
>  
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> On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 2:54 AM Amund Westin  > wrote:
> The following can issue Electrical safety certifications:
> CSA
> UL
> FM
> 
> Any others?
> 
> It's IT-products.
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> BR
> Amund
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Re: [PSES] Electrical safety certification for US / Canada

[Richard Nute]

 

USA:

https://www.osha.gov/nationally-recognized-testing-laboratory-program/current-list-of-nrtls

 

Canada:

https://www.scc.ca/en/accreditation/programs/product-process-and-service-certification/directory

 

For both countries, check the standards or products for which a certification 
house is qualified.

 

 

From: Amund Westin  
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2021 1:55 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Electrical safety certification for US / Canada

 

The following can issue Electrical safety certifications:
CSA
UL
FM

Any others?

It's IT-products.

BR
Amund


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Re: [PSES] RED: Legal requirement to use LVD or EMCD Harmonized Standards

[Charlie Blackham]

Paul  / All

Just to clarify - the RED requires a Risk Assessment for all products, whether 
HS are used or not.
It's just that where they have not been used, manufacturers should be prepared 
for greater scrutiny

Best regards
Charlie

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From: Charlie Blackham
Sent: 16 February 2021 17:56
To: Paul Scott ; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: RED: Legal requirement to use LVD or EMCD Harmonized Standards

Paul

There's no legal requirement to apply Harmonised Standards from the LVD and 
EMCD under RED (or under LVD or EMCD for that matter)

However, I've recently been told that where HS from these Directives have not 
been applied, market surveillance/enforcement would want to see that the 
manufacturer had  documented a proper Risk Assessment in arriving at the 
standards chosen. This would be relevant where, for example, a manufacturer was 
continuing to apply EN 60950-1 and not EN 62368-1: 2014

For EMC, it's useful to review guidance in EN 303 446-1 V1.2.1 and EN 303 446-2 
V1.2.1 for application of EMC standards to radio and non-radio function of the 
product

Best regards
Charlie

Charlie Blackham
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From: Paul Scott mailto:paul.sc...@mitel.com>>
Sent: 16 February 2021 14:38
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Subject: [PSES] RED: Legal requirement to use LVD or EMCD Harmonized Standards

The RED refers to the LVD and EMCD objectives when it comes to setting the 
essential requirements.

Is there a legal requirement to apply harmonized standards (from the LVD and 
EMCD where applicable) in order to achieve presumption of conformity for CE 
marking requirements?

Regards,

Paul Scott

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Re: [PSES] RED: Legal requirement to use LVD or EMCD Harmonized Standards

[Bart De Geeter]

Hi Paul,

 

Maybe you can look into the following document:
https://ec.europa.eu/docsroom/documents/33162

 

Check paragraph 2.6.

 

Greetings,

Bart

 

From: Paul Scott  
Sent: dinsdag 16 februari 2021 15:38
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] RED: Legal requirement to use LVD or EMCD Harmonized
Standards

 

The RED refers to the LVD and EMCD objectives when it comes to setting the
essential requirements. 

 

Is there a legal requirement to apply harmonized standards (from the LVD and
EMCD where applicable) in order to achieve presumption of conformity for CE
marking requirements?

 

Regards,

 

Paul Scott

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Re: [PSES] RED: Legal requirement to use LVD or EMCD Harmonized Standards

[Charlie Blackham]

Paul

There's no legal requirement to apply Harmonised Standards from the LVD and 
EMCD under RED (or under LVD or EMCD for that matter)

However, I've recently been told that where HS from these Directives have not 
been applied, market surveillance/enforcement would want to see that the 
manufacturer had  documented a proper Risk Assessment in arriving at the 
standards chosen. This would be relevant where, for example, a manufacturer was 
continuing to apply EN 60950-1 and not EN 62368-1: 2014

For EMC, it's useful to review guidance in EN 303 446-1 V1.2.1 and EN 303 446-2 
V1.2.1 for application of EMC standards to radio and non-radio function of the 
product

Best regards
Charlie

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Sulis Consultants Ltd
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From: Paul Scott 
Sent: 16 February 2021 14:38
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] RED: Legal requirement to use LVD or EMCD Harmonized Standards

The RED refers to the LVD and EMCD objectives when it comes to setting the 
essential requirements.

Is there a legal requirement to apply harmonized standards (from the LVD and 
EMCD where applicable) in order to achieve presumption of conformity for CE 
marking requirements?

Regards,

Paul Scott

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Re: [PSES] Electrical safety certification for US / Canada

[Douglas E Powell]

If you check with the OSHA NRTL listing you can click into each
organization and see the list of standards to which they are authorized to
test and certify.  I have not compiled a full list as it can be time
consuming.

https://www.osha.gov/nationally-recognized-testing-laboratory-program/current-list-of-nrtls

-Doug


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[PSES] RED: Legal requirement to use LVD or EMCD Harmonized Standards

[Paul Scott]

The RED refers to the LVD and EMCD objectives when it comes to setting the 
essential requirements.

Is there a legal requirement to apply harmonized standards (from the LVD and 
EMCD where applicable) in order to achieve presumption of conformity for CE 
marking requirements?

Regards,

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[PSES] AW: [PSES] Electrical safety certification for US / Canada

[Dürrer Bernd]

Hi Amund,

you may find the list of Nationally Recognized Testing Laboratories for the USA 
at https://www.osha.gov/nationally-recognized-testing-laboratory-program. For 
Canada, the list of accredited Certification Bodies can be found at 
https://www.scc.ca/en/accreditation/product-process-and-service-certification/directory-of-accredited-clients.
 You have to check whether your product or the applicable safety standard is in 
the scope of the test house.

Kind regards,

Bernd

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The following can issue Electrical safety certifications:
CSA
UL
FM

Any others?

It's IT-products.

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[PSES] Electrical safety certification for US / Canada

[Amund Westin]

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CSA
UL
FM

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[PSES] ECE R10 - Addendum 9 - rev. 6 / Applicability of this regulation for ESA type of equipment with a particular 'interface type"

[bart . de . geeter]

Dear All, 

In this regulation there is a flowchart under section 3.2.1 which helps you to 
determine whether this regulation is applicable for testing for 
Electrical/electronic sub assembly products (ESAs) 

At a certain moment the following question appears in this flowchart: 
"Connected via an interface type approved to this regulation as amended?". Is 
there somebody that knows how I should interpret this question? Where can I 
find the 'approved interface types as amended?" 

If the product to be tested is connected only to the standard cigar lighter 
(for 12V supply). Is this interface an interface which is approved as amended?? 

Thanks in advance for any advice related to this topic. 

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