Re: [PSES] Plenum Rated Speakers in the EU and Canada
Hi Scott, Try UL 1480Speakers for Fire Alarm and Signaling Systems, Including Accessories EU EN 54-24. Canadian CSA-C22.2 No. 205, "Signal Equipment." UL1480A Standard for Speakers for Commercial and Professional Use. EU try EN 60065 or EN 62368-1 Canadian CAN/CSA-E60065 or CAN/CSA-C22.2 No. 60065 or CAN/CSA-C22.2 No. 62368-1 Blurb on Air-handling Found at “Guide Information for Electrical Equipment for Use in Ordinary Locations Certified for Canada” UL page. Products such as LAN transceivers and baluns investigated for use in air-handling spaces are marked "Suitable for use in environmental air spaces (plenums) in accordance with Rules 16-220 and 60-402 of the Canadian Electrical Code," or equivalent. These products have been additionally investigated to ANSI/UL 2043,"Fire Test for Heat and Visible Smoke Release for Discrete Products and Their Accessories Installed in Air-Handling Spaces." Products that bear this marking are suitable for installation in accordance with Rules 16-220 and 60-402 of the CEC. Cheers, Chuck McDowell Compliance Specialist Meyer Sound Laboratories Inc. From: Scott Douglas [mailto:sdouglas...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2016 10:51 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: [PSES] Plenum Rated Speakers in the EU and Canada Fellow List Persons, Given audio speakers Listed to the following standards to be used in plenum, air handling, commercial spaces: UL 2043Standard for Fire Test for Heat and Visible Smoke Release for Discrete Products and Their Accessories Installed in Air-Handling Spaces UL 1480Speakers for Fire Alarm and Signaling Systems, Including Accessories UL1480A Standard for Speakers for Commercial and Professional Use. Is there a Canadian equivalent rating/listing/standard for same? Is there an EU equivalent rating/listing/standard for same? Thank you in advance for your help. Scott - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org>> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)<http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html> List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas mailto:sdoug...@ieee.org>> Mike Cantwell mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org>> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org>> David Heald mailto:dhe...@gmail.com>> NOTICE: This email may contain confidential information. Please see http://www.meyersound.com/confidential/ for our complete policy. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
Re: [PSES] Colour of affixed CE Mark?
Our powered loudspeaker products are typically non-reflective black color overall, and we use white or matt silver for required product labeling and CE label marking. Chuck McDowell Compliance Specialist Meyer Sound Laboratories Inc. From: STEVENSON Philip [mailto:philip.steven...@uk.thalesgroup.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2016 8:42 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Colour of affixed CE Mark? Dear Members I am writing to ask if there any requirements for the affixed "CE" Mark attached to a product must be a set colour i.e. must it be black? The product we are currently in the progress of CE Marking is dark grey and black markings are not clearly visible on this background, and therefore not meeting the "visibly" requirement. The other markings on the product are yellow. Therefore is it acceptable for the affixed "CE" mark to be yellow? I would be greatly for the members help. If you would prefer to contact directly instead of via the listing my Email address is philip.steven...@uk.thalesgroup.com<mailto:philip.steven...@uk.thalesgroup.com>. Regards Philip Stevenson Senior Specialist Engineer - Electronics, Advanced Weapons, Belfast Thales Land & Air Systems Alanbrooke Road, Belfast, Northern Ireland, BT6 9HB www.thalesgroup.com/uk<http://www.thalesgroup.com/uk> Tel: +44 (0)28 90465665 e-mail: philip.steven...@uk.thalesgroup.com<mailto:philip.steven...@uk.thalesgroup.com> Please consider the environment before printing a hard copy of this email. The information contained in this e-mail is confidential. It is intended only for the stated addressee(s) and access to it by any other person is unauthorised. If you are not an addressee, you must not disclose, copy, circulate or in any other way use or rely on the information contained in this e-mail. Such unauthorised use may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail in error, please inform us immediately on +44 (0) [28 905200] and delete it and all copies from your system. Thales UK Limited. A company registered in England and Wales. Registered Office: 2 Dashwood Lang Road, The Bourne Business Park, Addlestone, Weybridge, Surrey KT15 2NX. Registered Number: 868273 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org>> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)<http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html> List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas mailto:sdoug...@ieee.org>> Mike Cantwell mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org>> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org>> David Heald mailto:dhe...@gmail.com>> NOTICE: This email may contain confidential information. Please see http://www.meyersound.com/confidential/ for our complete policy. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
Re: [PSES] Highest clock frequency in a device.
To quote from BS EN 55032:2012 with 2014 update 3.1.19 highest internal frequency Fx highest fundamental frequency generated or used within the EUT or highest frequency at which it operates NOTE This includes frequencies which are solely used within an integrated circuit. Chuck McDowell Compliance Specialist Meyer Sound Laboratories Inc. From: Gary McInturff [mailto:gary.mcintu...@esterline.com] Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 11:16 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Highest clock frequency in a device. I was looking through standards I have but can't find an absolute description of highest clock frequency. The overall device has clocks well below 105MHz, the point at which the spectrum above 1 GHZ must be investigated during radiated emissions. However one of the IC's has an internal frequency well above that. My understanding of highest clock would include this IC internal, contained within the chip and not provided to any I/O pins. Others disagree, but I can't find any explicit documentation that defines this. Can anyone pin point a textual definition? Thank you - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org>> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)<http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html> List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas mailto:sdoug...@ieee.org>> Mike Cantwell mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org>> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org>> David Heald mailto:dhe...@gmail.com>> NOTICE: This email may contain confidential information. Please see http://www.meyersound.com/confidential/ for our complete policy. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
[PSES] China GB Standard version of CISPR 32
Greetings from Berkeley, I an writing to ask if anyone might know if China CQC plans to issue a GB standard based on CISPR 32 or EN 55032:2012? Thank you, Chuck McDowell Compliance Specialist Meyer Sound Laboratories Inc. NOTICE: This email may contain confidential information. Please see http://www.meyersound.com/confidential/ for our complete policy. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
Re: [PSES] CE Marking on Packaging of Assembly Components
I can across this European Commission document on spare parts this week. It maybe of interest. I believe it states that for EMC Directive OEM parts do not require a DoC ergo no CE mark. Google "APPLICATION OF EMC DIRECTIVE AND/OR EMC VEHICLE DIRECTIVE TO AFTERMARKET EQUIPMENT" http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB4QFjAAahUKEwjfy73C2MnHAhUQRYgKHWphDz4&url=http%3A%2F%2Fec.europa.eu%2FDocsRoom%2Fdocuments%2F4543%2Fattachments%2F1%2Ftranslations%2Fen%2Frenditions%2Fnative&ei=7zvfVZ-YL5CKoQTqwr3wAw&usg=AFQjCNHmvmnYBItTKhMu7bZUXyC2olsYGA See if category B applies to you sub-assemblies? Chuck McDowell Compliance Specialist Meyer Sound Laboratories Inc. -Original Message- From: Nyffenegger, Dave [mailto:dave.nyffeneg...@bhemail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 8:28 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] CE Marking on Packaging of Assembly Components It depends on which directives apply to the product/components. The Machinery Direct is clear that partly complete machinery is not to carry a CE mark to avoid confusion when it's integrated with the complete system. Partly completed machinery should be accompanied by a DoI.However if your items are not machinery but instead fall under the LVD for example and you are going to provide a separate DoC for those items then it would make sense that they be marked. If you are not providing a separate DoC/DoI for these items because they have not been assessed as individual products then perhaps provide documentation/statement that they are part of the larger system to be integrated and provide a copy of the DoC of the complete system but do not CE mark the items/shipping container itself. I wouldn't put a CE mark on a component that falls under MD or LVD without having a DoC/DoI and technical file to back it up. -Dave -Original Message- From: Carl Newton [mailto:emcl...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 8:39 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] CE Marking on Packaging of Assembly Components Group, I'm dealing with a scenario in which a storage assembly that includes some electronic functionality is assembled on-site by end-users. Various elements of this storage product are shipped from different factories. One package may include the electronic subassembly that has the product label attached. Another package may include plastic panels with no inherent standalone function (RoHS does not apply at this time). The set of component packages that comprise the product are imported into the EU from the USA. The UK distributor has asked that all packages have the CE Marking on the box. I'm reluctant to sign-up to this procedure in view of the fact that the CE Marking should not be applied to most sub-assemblies. I've reviewed the 2014 Blue Guide, Regulation (EC) No 765/2008, and 768/2008/E seeking guidance on this scenario but find nothing. Is anybody within the group aware of some form of legal guidance that applies? Thanks, Carl - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald: - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald: NOTICE: This email may contain confidential information. Please see http://www.meyersound.com/confidential/ for our complete policy. - This m
Re: [PSES] EU Customs and EMC test report
Thank you to all who replied. Our test lab send along this note reflecting a change in their policy: During a recent assessment we've been told independent test labs should not be listing the EMC directive on the test report. We only list the standards and the test results. It's the manufacture who must generate the DoC listing the current applicable directive (2014/30/EU). The only exception to this would be independent test labs who are authorized to issue a Notified Body Statement of Opinion. Cheers, Chuck McDowell Compliance Specialist Meyer Sound Laboratories Inc. From: itl-emc user group [mailto:itl...@itl.co.il] Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 10:38 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EU Customs and EMC test report Our customers' experiences with Turkish authorities varies. In many cases, the Turks are trying to "stick to the letter of the law" and will not let in anything for which not all the "I's" are dotted and "t's" crossed. I have come across reports both with and without the Directive. Sometimes the Directive when listed, appears in a list of applicable documents but not in a list of standards for testing. Regards, David Shidlowsky | Technical Reviewer Address 1 Bat-Sheva St. POB 87, LOD 71100 Israel Tel 972-8-9186113 Fax 972-8-9153101 Mail dav...@itl.co.il<mailto:dav...@itl.co.il>/e...@itl.co.il Web www.itl.co.il<http://www.itl.co.il/> Fill out Customer Satisfaction Survey<http://app.sqm.co.il/SitePages/Questionnaire.aspx> Global Certifications You Can Trust From: Michael Derby [mailto:micha...@acbcert.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 12:09 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] EU Customs and EMC test report Hello, As others have said, I do not think the Directive needs to be listed in the test reports. You test to standards and the manufacturer deals with the Directive. Probably, the person saw the incorrect Directive reference and flagged it up. If there had not been any reference to any Directive, it might not have become an issue or even been noticed. Michael. From: Chuck McDowell [mailto:chu...@meyersound.com] Sent: 15 June 2015 21:03 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: [PSES] EU Customs and EMC test report Dear Compliance Professionals, Does a EMC test report issued by a accredited testing laboratory need to also reference the current EMC Directive 2004/108/EC? My belief is that the EMC Directive needs to noted on the product Declaration of Conformity, and not in the EMC test report. Is this correct? A EU Customs official stop a shipment because the EMC Directive noted in the EMC test report was out-of-date. I would like to remove EMC Directive dated notations from future reports. Thank you in advance for your comments, Chuck McDowell Compliance Specialist Meyer Sound Laboratories Inc. 2832 San Pablo Ave. Berkeley, CA 94702-2204 Phone 510-486-1166 Ext. 270 Fax 510-486-8356 Email cmcdow...@meyersound.com<mailto:cmcdow...@meyersound.com> NOTICE: This email may contain confidential information. Please see http://www.meyersound.com/confidential/ for our complete policy. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org>> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)<http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html> List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas mailto:sdoug...@ieee.org>> Mike Cantwell mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org>> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org>> David Heald mailto:dhe...@gmail.com>> - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org>> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)<http://www.ieee-pses.org/li
[PSES] EU Customs and EMC test report
Dear Compliance Professionals, Does a EMC test report issued by a accredited testing laboratory need to also reference the current EMC Directive 2004/108/EC? My belief is that the EMC Directive needs to noted on the product Declaration of Conformity, and not in the EMC test report. Is this correct? A EU Customs official stop a shipment because the EMC Directive noted in the EMC test report was out-of-date. I would like to remove EMC Directive dated notations from future reports. Thank you in advance for your comments, Chuck McDowell Compliance Specialist Meyer Sound Laboratories Inc. 2832 San Pablo Ave. Berkeley, CA 94702-2204 Phone 510-486-1166 Ext. 270 Fax 510-486-8356 Email cmcdow...@meyersound.com NOTICE: This email may contain confidential information. Please see http://www.meyersound.com/confidential/ for our complete policy. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
[PSES] Professional Audio and EN 55032: 2012
I am writing to ask if I am reading EN 55032: 2012 wrong, because I believe it states that non-residential Professional Audio Equipment the limits are Class A. "Equipment intended primarily for use in a residential environment shall meet the Class B limits. All other equipment shall comply with the Class A limits." Comments? Chuck McDowell NOTICE: This email may contain confidential information. Please see http://www.meyersound.com/confidential/ for our complete policy. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
Re: [PSES] CE-magazine
Might I suggest searching the internet archive if you have a URL. https://archive.org/web/ 435 billion web pages saved over time. Chuck McDowell Compliance Specialist Meyer Sound Laboratories Inc. From: Schaefer, David [mailto:dschae...@tuvam.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 6:20 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] CE-magazine Hi all, I'm trying to track down an article from CE magazine from a few years ago. I had a link to it, but it seems their website is gone. Does anyone know if there is an archive available anywhere else online? Thanks, David Schaefer EMC Chief Technical Advisor TÜV SÜD America Inc Office: 651 638 0251 Cell: 612 578 6038 Fax: 651 638 0285 The mail and/or attachments are confidential and may also be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this email and/or attachments is strictly prohibited. If you were not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately by email at helpd...@tuvam.com<mailto:helpd...@tuvam.com> and delete this message and all its attachments. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org>> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)<http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html> List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas mailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net>> Mike Cantwell mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org>> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org>> David Heald mailto:dhe...@gmail.com>> NOTICE: This email may contain confidential information. Please see http://www.meyersound.com/confidential/ for our complete policy. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
Re: [PSES] Disconnect power before servicing label required?
ANSI/UL 60065 has the key word CAUTION- and "No User Serviceable Parts Inside" text with symbols to "Dangerous voltages: risk of electric shock" and "Important operating instructions." Earlier UL 813 has a long paragraph of warning and cautions text or use the above note and symbols. In both standards symbols must be decoded in the manual. We now provide this caution in the French language as well for Canada. ANSI/UL 60065 Required instruction in the manual #14: "Refer all servicing to qualified service personnel." Servicing is required when the apparatus has been damaged in any way, such as power-supply cord or plug is damaged, liquid has been spilled or objects have fallen into the apparatus, the apparatus has been exposed to rain or moisture, does not operate normally, or has been dropped. Chuck McDowell Compliance Specialist Meyer Sound Laboratories Inc. From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 12:19 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Disconnect power before servicing label required? I used to see a common statement on consumer products that says, "No User Serviceable Parts Inside". I wonder what standard required that because it is just a statement, not a warning. It should says something like, "Hey, if this is not working chances are you cannot fix it, so don't open it up or you might hurt yourself and then try to sue our company." But still, the user is not informed what the hazard is. Might be high voltage, radioactive, kinetic energy, or a small alligator waiting to bite your hand off. Smile. It's almost Friday. The Other Brian PS: You are right; ISM and machinery are generally repaired when not working right where consumer products are tossed. We have to protect our service personnel as well. From: Ted Eckert [mailto:ted.eck...@microsoft.com] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 2:59 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] Disconnect power before servicing label required? The requirements vary depending on the product type. To some extent, the requirements for marking panels that enclose hazardous voltages depend on the risk that the end user will remove the panel. It is reasonable to anticipate that the end user would remove panels on industrial equipment. However, this is not necessarily true for many consumer products. For a product used in the home, Torx screws may be sufficient to make a panel considered a non-removable part. This view has become more prevalent as we move more towards a throw-away society. If a $15 hand mixer stops working, the owner is far more likely to throw it away than to unscrew the case to see what is wrong. There will be some people who will try to repair their appliances, but it becomes their responsibility to unplug it first. I can also note that I believe that there is a general principle that plug connected consumer equipment is viewed differently. As I noted, it is expected that the device will be unplugged before servicing. Industrial equipment is more likely to be hard wired where the service personnel may not know which parts are live or which parts are de-energized by a disconnect. Of course, product standards will vary in marking requirements and what I have said can be viewed only as a general guideline. Ted Eckert Compliance Engineer Microsoft Corporation ted.eck...@microsoft.com<mailto:ted.eck...@microsoft.com> The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer. They do not necessarily reflect those of any standards writing organization. They may not reflect reality. Consider them just a stream of consciouness from somebody with a few spare minutes before their next meeting starts. From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 11:21 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] Disconnect power before servicing label required? I thought it was common in most safety standards to require such a warning marking on panels with AC Mains hazard behind them. Something like this statement from IEC/EN/UL 61010-1 for ISM equipment: "If the instructions for use state that an OPERATOR is permitted to gain access, using a TOOL, to a part which in NORMAL USE may be HAZARDOUS LIVE, there shall be a warning marking which states that the equipment must be isolated or disconnected from the HAZARDOUS LIVE voltage before access." I thought a high voltage warning marking was required on all panels with such hazards behind them. Is this not true or just not true for IT equipment? I also thought that devices with multiple power sources, such as two AC power cords, had to have a warning marking informing the user to disconnect both or all power connections before gaining access. The Other Brian F
Re: [PSES] Symbols for CCC Approval
Hi Scott, For standard reference we would need to know what type of product this is? Audio & Video products are GB8898-2011 a nationalized version of IEC 60065. IT are standard GB4943 a version of IEC 60950. UL wrote a good guide for GB4943 that includes the symbols at <http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCYQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Ful.com%2Fglobal%2Fdocuments%2Fofferings%2Findustries%2Fhightech%2Fresources%2Fccc%2Fgb8898_2011_upgrade_guidance_cqc_cz_july_10_2012_final.pdf&ei=pDkrVLOoHYKsogS5rIDYCQ&usg=AFQjCNEhIoOtaC7pMdDct_0M6Sq18PAFsw&bvm=bv.76477589,d.cGE> Impact Analysis IEC 60950-1_2nd+A1 vs GB 4943 1_2011_MZ_final<http://ul.com/global/documents/offerings/industries/hightech/resources/ccc/iec60950-1_2nd_a1_vs_gb4943%201_2011_mz_final.pdf> Respectfully, Chuck McDowell Compliance Specialist Meyer Sound Laboratories Inc. From: Scott Douglas [mailto:sdouglas...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 3:13 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Symbols for CCC Approval Hello all, I am being asked to add two symbols to my product silkscreen for CCC Approvals. One symbol is a not circle with waves at the bottom (water) and curled lines above (moisture I guess). This is to signify not for use in tropical regions. The second symbol is a circle with mountains and <=2000m inside it. This signifies use only below 2,000 meters in altitude. Can anyone tell me where these two symbols come from (standards reference) and where one can get vector artwork for same? Thank you in advance for any help provided. Scott - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org>> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)<http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html> List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas mailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net>> Mike Cantwell mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org>> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org>> David Heald mailto:dhe...@gmail.com>> NOTICE: This email may contain confidential information. Please see http://www.meyersound.com/confidential/ for our complete policy. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
[PSES] FW: IEC 62368-1 rated AC input connector amperage differs from North America
Dear Colleagues, Does EN/IEC 60065 and/or EN/IEC 62368-1 allow product marking a AC input to use rating 250V~, 32A when the appliance coupler AC rating is 250V~, 32A rating by VDE license? I plan to use a IEC 60309 style 250V~ 32A Plug connector with appropriate cordage. This is single phase Line, Neutral, Earth cabling. Summary for the EU 32 plug with 32 Inlet = 32A rated input. The USA and Canadian versions of IEC 60065 require a cord connector at 125% of the inlet rating so we are re-rating the product to 24A using a NEMA L6-30 Plug (30A plug). The same inlet from above is rated 32A USA and 30A Canada. Will agencies sign-off on a dual AC Input current rating such as: 100-250V~ 50-60Hz 24A rated cNRTLus Listed 32A rated EN/IEC Certified Any suggestions of the correct text to use would be gladly accepted. Respectfully, Chuck McDowell NOTICE: This email may contain confidential information. Please see http://www.meyersound.com/confidential/ for our complete policy. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
Re: [PSES] Meaning of "regulating network" in 61010-1
For what it is worth, the IEC 60050 - International Electrotechnical Vocabulary - online Was blank on the exact phrase "regulating network" http://www.electropedia.org/ Chuck McDowell Meyer Sound Laboratories -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: 31 January, 2014 11:19 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Meaning of "regulating network" in 61010-1 In message , dated Fri, 31 Jan 2014, "Crane, Lauren" writes: >Does anyone have a clear idea as to what ?regulating network? means in >61010-1:2010 section 9.4? It's not a defined term, so any static 'network' (circuit) that meets the electrical requirements is acceptable. But something that depends on software working correctly is probably not acceptable. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Nondum ex silvis sumus John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald: NOTICE: This email may contain confidential information. Please see http://www.meyersound.com/confidential/ for our complete policy. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
Re: [PSES] Rejected Manufacturer Declarations
I looked for a Directive (Citation in OJEU) and the standards used. Directive 765/2008 setting out the requirements for accreditation and market surveillance relating to the marketing of Products was modified by Regulation (EC) No 1221/2009; This specifies (voluntary participation) using EN ISO/IEC 17050-1:2010., -2:2010. BSI has this listing: BS EN ISO/IEC 17050-1:2010 replaced BS EN ISO/IEC 17050-1:2004 replaced BS EN 45014:1998 ISO has this listing: ISO/IEC 17050-1:2004 Replacing ISO/IEC Guide 22:1996 So I will need to order up the 2010 editions for the coming holidays. Our DoC issue in 2002 was not signing them in Blue ink. Chuck McDowell Meyer Sound Laboratories Inc. -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 9:29 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Rejected Manufacturer Declarations In message <1d8b4eb0ebe341ff90686842f3f7d...@blupr02mb116.namprd02.prod.outlook.com> , dated Thu, 14 Nov 2013, Brian Oconnell writes: >Is EN45014 still applicable? It doesn't seem to have been withdrawn. >Is ISO17050-1,-2 the correct ref? For Europe, not 'correct' unless it's been adopted by CEN/CENELEC as EN ISO 17050... However, DoCs compliant with it would be accepted in most countries. > >Another question - have been told by (Yet Another Import Authority) >that these standards represent the minimum required information, and >additional stuff not necessarily excluded. Comments? Certainly true for EN 45014, which is a recommendation. But information deemed misleading would not be tolerated. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Nondum ex silvis sumus John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald: NOTICE: This email may contain confidential information. Please see http://www.meyersound.com/confidential/ for our complete policy. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
[PSES] Cat5e or Cat6 in emissions test
Greetings from Berkeley, I'm gearing-up for another fun year of testing Radiated Emissions 30MHz-2GHz. Does anyone have opinions on using Cat5e, Cat5e Shielded, or Cat6 for Ethernet ports for audio streaming, monitoring via proprietary control software. Thank you, Chuck McDowell NOTICE: This email may contain confidential information. Please see http://www.meyersound.com/confidential/ for our complete policy. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
Re: [PSES] Product safety requirements
In America, a few years ago at Lucent, we built a DSL device that was remotely powered by a separate power supply with a NEC ANSI/NFPA 70 Class 2 DC output. The power supply had a NRTL safety marking, and as you suggest, the DSL device itself did not carry a NRTL safety mark, only EMC and Fcc approval marks. Chuck McDowell Meyer Sound Laboratories Inc. From: emc-p...@ieee.org<mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org> [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Aldous, Scott Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 8:36 AM To: Mcburney, Ian; emc-p...@ieee.org<mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org> Subject: RE: Product safety requirements You would need to make sure that the output of the power supply is a Limited Power Source in order to deal with fire hazards. The nameplate output ratings are necessary but insufficient information to determine if a fire hazard may be present. Also, it is possible that your regulators (maybe just the boost) could produce voltages internally that would be considered a shock hazard, which would require evaluation of the output circuits as SELV. There are a wide variety of DC/DC converters commercially available that have SELV inputs and SELV outputs which nonetheless still have 3rd party safety certifications. You should be able to find a certified one OTS (or multiple converters) that will work for you if you don't want to deal with the certification piece yourself. Maybe that defeats the purpose of what you are trying to do since you could just as easily find OTS certified AC/DC power supplies. Technical considerations aside, you could always run into trouble with any given local authority or customs official wanting to see certification on your mixer, not just on the power supply that connects to it or that it ships with. Also, you should be aware that most notebook power supplies nowadays have more than just the power output pins - they have feedback signals that are intended to keep the supplies in a low power consumption mode when the computer is in the off state in order to comply with various efficiency regulations. If you don't provide the right signal, you won't get power out of them. Scott Aldous Compliance Engineer AE Solar Energy +1.970.492.2065 Direct +1.970.407.5872 Fax +1.541.312.3832 Main scott.ald...@aei.com<mailto:scott.ald...@aei.com> 1625 Sharp Point Drive Fort Collins, CO 80525 www.advanced-energy.com/solarenergy<http://www.advanced-energy.com/solarenergy> From: emc-p...@ieee.org<mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org> [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Mcburney, Ian Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 8:24 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org<mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org> Subject: Product safety requirements Dear Colleagues We are a manufacturer of audio mixing consoles with a range that varies from A4 size up to large 2m long 2 man lift consoles. Most have internal ac/dc power supplies. We are researching changing the way we power are future products to rationalise the psu range as worldwide approval costs increase. One of the options is to purchase 60-80W PC laptop power supplies and power the smaller mixers from the DC output of the external laptop supply. The DC output voltage from a laptop PSU is typically 19V. However; most mixers require typically +/-15V, +10V & +48V internal voltage rails. We propose to buck regulate the +/-15V and +10V rails & boost the +48V rail from the 19V DC input. If the total power consumption of the mixer was no more than 80W and the +48V was current limited to no more than 1 Amp, would the mixer require approval testing for north America or any other country as the input voltage would only be 19V DC. Obviously the external ac to dc laptop power supply would have all the necessary approvals; probably to IEC60950 and be class 1 construction. Your opinions would be appreciated. Thank you in advance; Ian McBurney Design Engineer Allen & Heath Ltd Kernick Industrial Estate Penryn, Cornwall TR10 9LU United Kingdom +44 (0)1326 370121 ian.mcbur...@dmh-global.com<mailto:ian.mcbur...@dmh-global.com> www.allen-heath.com<http://www.allen-heath.com/> A DMH Pro Company<http://www.dmh-global.com/>. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org>> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas mailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.n
Re: [PSES] Shielding materials
You might try Tech Flex. http://www.techflex.com/land_metal.asp Chuck McDowell Meyer Sound Laboratories Inc. From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Derek Walton Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 8:27 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Shielding materials HI Folks, I'm looking for a source of either very fine braid, or even foil that I can use to make up a set of shielded cables. The typical braid has much too poor optical coverage. I'm envisaging most likely using 2 layers. cabels are less than 1/2" diameter. Suggestions appreciated. Cheers, Derek Walton L F Research - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org>> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas mailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net>> Mike Cantwell mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org>> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org>> David Heald mailto:dhe...@gmail.com>> NOTICE: This email may contain confidential information. Please see http://www.meyersound.com/confidential/ for our complete policy. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
Re: [PSES] RoHS Question
publish binding opinions? I was told only courts in the EU can do that. Chuck McDowell Meyer Sound Laboratories Inc. -Original Message- From: [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Brian Oconnell Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 10:01 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: [PSES] RoHS Question They seem to be the UK body for OIML representation. Do not know what this has to do with enforcement of marking directives. Someone from the other side of the pond needs to explain to the colonists which organizations publish binding opinions. From the website with the URL www.bis.gov.uk/nmo <http://www.bis.gov.uk/nmo> : Our mission To provide policy support to Ministers on measurement issues and a measurement infrastructure which enables innovation and growth, promotes trade and facilitates fair competition and the protection of consumers, health and the environment. -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Brown, William Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 8:45 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: [PSES] RoHS Question One interpretation we received: National Measurement Office of the Department for Business Innovation and Skills ( www.nmo.gov.uk <http://www.nmo.gov.uk> ) The recast RoHS Directive was published in the Official Journal of the European Union on 1 July 2011 and entered into force on 21 July 2011. It will be transposed into national law on 2 January 2013. The RoHS Directive is now a CE Marking Directive. The general principles governing the CE marking are set out in Regulation (EC) No 765/2008. It should also be noted that point 21 of the preamble of the RoHS Directive states that: "Procedures for assessing the conformity of EEE subject to this Directive should be consistent with relevant Union legislation, in particular Decision No 768/2008/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 9 July 2008 on a common framework for the marketing of products. Harmonising conformity assessment procedures should give manufacturers legal certainty as to what they have to provide as proof of compliance to the authorities throughout the Union." Regulation 768/2008/EC establishes a common framework for the marketing of products and states! in the preamble that: (29) The CE marking, indicating the conformity of a product, is the visible consequence of a whole process comprising conformity assessment in a broad sense. General principles governing the CE marking are set out in Regulation (EC) No 765/2008 of the European Parliament and the Council of 9 July 2008 setting out the requirements for accreditation and market surveillance relating to the marketing of products. Rules governing the affixing of the CE marking, to be applied in Community harmonisation legislation providing for the use of that marking, should be laid down in this Decision. (30) The CE marking should be the only marking of conformity indicating that a product is in conformity with Community harmonisation legislation. However, other markings may be used as long as they contribute to the improvement of consumer protection and are not covered by Community harmonisation legislation. (31) It is crucial to make clear to both manufacturers and users that by affixing the CE marking to a product the manufacturer declares that the product is in conformity with all applicable requirements and that he takes full responsibility therefore. This clearly indicates that RoHS symbols or other markings should not b! e used as a conformity mark [WB - emphasis added]. For information the Commission has published an FAQ consultation paper which provides clarity on this point. On page 25 it states that: "From 2nd January 2013 EEE in scope that bears a CE marking is presumed to be in conformity with the requirements of RoHS 2 and therefore is presumed not to contain more than the tolerated maximum concentration values as mentioned in Annexes II, III and IV of RoHS 2. From 2nd January 2013, CE marking shall be the only marking which attests the conformity of the product with the requirements of RoHS 2." The 'phase in period' is considered as beginning on entry into force (21 July 2011) and ending upon transposition into national law (2 January 2013). Therefore products placed on the market on or after 2 January 2013 must comply with all requirements of RoHS Directive 2011/65/EU. The term placing on the market is the initial action of making a product available for the first time on the Community market, with a view to distribution or use in the Community. This is considered to take place when a product is transferred from the stage of manufacture with the intention of distribution or use on the Community market and applies to each individual product, and not a type, series or line of product. I hope that this clarification re. use of RoHS symbols makes sense and is of use. -
[PSES] Change to EMC regulation in South Korea on Audio Products?
Greetings from Berkeley, I am writing to ask if any other manufactures have been ask to do additional EMC testing on audio products in South Korea. The agent I use is saying that testing just a representative model will not be allowed and I will now need to test each model, which for me is audio frequency tuning changes and size of the wooden box. Neither of these change the EMC profile. This is a analog amplifier with liner power supply. "Until June 30th, EMC testing and Safety testing for this types of product (Audio Speaker) were done by KTC in Korea under MKE standard. However, from July 1st, EMC testing part shall be performed under KCC standard, and EMC part is regulated by KCC KN standard though safety was still regulated under MKE." Comments? Chuck McDowell Meyer Sound Laboratories Inc. NOTICE: This email may contain confidential information. Please see http://www.meyersound.com/confidential/ for our complete policy. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
[PSES] Low voltage DC electrical wire and cables require CCC approval?
I am writing to ask for help in identifying if a cable carrying 48VDC at 2A maximum current will require a CCC certified cable. The cable is used to interconnect a AC line to DC power supply to a 48VDC speaker. The cable does not run inside a wall or other building construction. The cable similar to a AC wall wart output supplying 48 VDC. I understand CCC controls these 5 categories of Electrical wires and cables. 0101: Cord sets 0102: Flexible rubber-sheathed cables for mining purposes 0103: Insulated cables (wires) for railway vehicles of rated voltage up to and including 3kV 0104: Rubber insulated cables of rated voltages up to and including 450/750V 0105: Polyvinyl chloride insulated cables of rated voltages up to and including 450/750V I am failing to understand where the lower limit is for these types. Do all current carrying conductors with a insulation surrounding in China require CCC approval? Can you direct me to the document , GB standard or law that specifies the lower limits of the above electrical wires and cables or is this found in a clause of my GB 8988;2001 (IEC60065;1998) standard? Thank you in advance, Chuck McDowell NOTICE: This email may contain confidential information. Please see http://www.meyersound.com/confidential/ for our complete policy. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
Re: [PSES] RoHS
Try NSL Analytical Services, Inc. 4450 Cranwood Parkway Cleveland OH 44128 Chuck McDowell Meyer Sound Laboratories Inc. From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of McInturff, Gary Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 2:34 PM To: 'EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG' Subject: RoHS We have an adhesive with no RoHS certs, Are there RoHS capable test labs in the US. I would presume there is some % of total content that is allowed if one only knew what materials are in the adhesive. Not my area just asking for a panicked compatriot. He's looking for any means at the moment to clear this gap. Gary McInturff Reliability/Compliance Engineer Esterline Interface Technologies Featuring ADVANCED INPUT, MEMTRON, and LRE MEDICAL products 600 W. Wilbur Avenue Coeur d'Alene, ID 83815-9496 Office:208-635-8306 Cell: 509 868 2279 Toll Free: 800-444-5923 X 1238 gary.mcintu...@esterline.com<mailto:brian.s...@esterline.com> www.esterline.com/interfacetechnologies<http://www.esterline.com/advancedinput> Technology, Innovation, Performance... - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org>> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas mailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net>> Mike Cantwell mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org>> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org>> David Heald mailto:dhe...@gmail.com>> NOTICE: This email may contain confidential information. Please see http://www.meyersound.com/confidential/ for our complete policy. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
[PSES] EMC Compliance Engineer Career Opening
Meyer Sound in Berkeley California has a Career Opening for a EMC Compliance Engineer. Short list of requirements: Must be able to understand and operate EMI/EMC test laboratory equipment, troubleshoot when testing. PCB layout experience is a must (using Altium preferred), preferably digital layout, grounding, and I/O layout. Layout of class-D amplifier experience a plus. Read the full position posting at: http://meyersound.com/about/careers/?id=258 How to Apply Email your cover letter and resume to h...@meyersound.com<mailto:h...@meyersound.com>. Please put the title of the position for which you are applying as the "EMC Compliance Engineer " of the email. Fax your resume and cover letter to 510 486.8356. Please put the title EMC Compliance Engineer on the Fax. Mail your resume and cover letter to: EMC Compliance Engineer 2832 San Pablo Avenue Berkeley, California 94702 Attn: Human Resources Please, no calls! Respectfully yours, Chuck McDowell Meyer Sound Laboratories Inc. NOTICE: This email may contain confidential information. Please see http://www.meyersound.com/confidential/ for our complete policy. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
