RE: IEC 60950-1 section 4.7.3.2 regarding openings in fire enclosures
There also appears to be no requirement for a top and sides of the fire enclosure, only a specific clause for the bottom of the fire enclosure. However I guess any manufacturer who shipped product requiring a fire enclosure without the top and sides of such an enclosure would be quickly called to account. Regards, Craig From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Jim Eichner Sent: 07 January 2009 20:08 To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: IEC 60950-1 section 4.7.3.2 regarding openings in fire enclosures IEC 60950-1 section 4.7.3.2 contains the following paragraph: Materials for components that fill an opening in a FIRE ENCLOSURE, and that are intended to be mounted in this opening shall: − be of V-1 CLASS MATERIAL; or − pass the tests of Clause A.2; or − comply with the flammability requirements of the relevant IEC component standard. Seems ok to require most of the fire enclosure to be 5V with small sections of V1 allowed, but the above has no size restriction, which seems odd to me. Does anyone know if this is the subject of a CTL decision or any other “official†interpretation? I’ve seen UL and CSA standards with similar easements but there’s a dimensional cap (for example openings no more than 1†(25.4mm) in any dimension). Thanks, Jim Eichner, P.Eng. Compliance Engineering Manager Xantrex Technology Inc. e-mail: jim.eich...@xantrex.com web: www.xantrex.com Any opinions expressed are those of my invisible friend. Confidentiality Notice: This email message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Power Cord Question
Must a European power cord (H05VV-F) be marked as HAR for harmonised or is a marking of VDE permissible as it indicates approval by VDE, a harmonised European safety agency (harmonised indicted by the use of )? Regards, Craig - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
CCC Parts Certifications and Periodic Verification
Good morning list members, We currently have 3 lists of ‘critical’ parts from CQC for our ATMs going through the CCC certification process: 1. Parts Modules Requiring CCC Certification These are ATM parts and modules which have already been identified by CQC as requiring CCC certification at the module level – currently being worked by the suppliers. 2) Parts Modules Indentified in CQC Product Test Reports These are ATM parts and modules which have or will be identified by CQC during ATM product testing as safety critical items which will be called out in the product CQC approval report and which require to remain on the current supplier until further suppliers can be approved through CQC 3) Parts Modules which Require to Meet China National Standards These are ATM parts and modules which NCR will be required to demonstrate that it can verify ongoing compliance of the part to China National Standards through supplier provided data. Could I ask any of you who have been involved in this process before to spare a few minutes to advise (off or online) on any experience you have on handling parts lists like explained above, the various CCC parts categories, how you learn of new categories, and also how you meet the CQC ongoing parts compliance verification process requirements. Thanks and regards, Craig Craig Petrie, Product Safety Engineer, NCR Financial Solutions Group Ltd., 3rd Floor East, Discovery Centre, 3 Fulton Road, Dundee, Scotland. DD2 4SW E-Mail: craig.d.pet...@ncr.com Tel: +44(0)1382 592803 (direct) / 592609 (lab) - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Obsolete standards
Good morning experts, Would anyone be able to forward me a copy of the following obsolete standards? IEC335-1:1991 IEC 34-1 Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Craig Craig Petrie, Product Safety Engineer, NCR Financial Solutions Group Ltd., 3rd Floor East, Discovery Centre, 3 Fulton Road, Dundee, Scotland. DD2 4SW E-Mail: craig.d.pet...@ncr.com Tel: +44(0)1382 592803 (direct) / 592609 (lab) - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
CCC Question - alternate parts
Dear experts, The CB reports for our products allow for the use of alternates for the majority of the d.c. powered components as long as the alternate parts provided are to the same procurement spec's as the part listed in the CB report. These parts are rated +24Vdc or less and the majority of them are supplied for limited power sources. We have been informed CQC will not accept this practice for products which are to be CCC certified. We do not understand what added safety this restriction brings provided the alternate parts are bought to the same spec. Enforcing this rule would have serious implications for us. Before we do it I would like to know: Have you experienced similar issues? If so, how did you manage to comply with it? Any information or advice would be gratefully received. Thanks for your time, Craig - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: CCC Question - alternate parts
Grace, Thanks for your prompt response. Do this procedure have to be followed for every alternate part, e.g. a parts shortage of a +24Vdc, 0.15A fan would require us to have to go through CQC change process prior to being able to pick up a fan to the exact same procurement spec from a different vendor? Thanks and regards, Craig From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Grace Lin Sent: 29 October 2008 11:34 To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: CCC Question - alternate parts Hi Craig, For alternate parts, the certificate holder submits an application for change (or application for modification, depending on translation) to CQC (not a new application), according to a vice president of the CQC. Please let me know if I can be of any further assistance. Regards, Grace On 10/29/08, Petrie, Craig D cp185...@ncr.com wrote: Dear experts, The CB reports for our products allow for the use of alternates for the majority of the d.c. powered components as long as the alternate parts provided are to the same procurement spec's as the part listed in the CB report. These parts are rated +24Vdc or less and the majority of them are supplied for limited power sources. We have been informed CQC will not accept this practice for products which are to be CCC certified. We do not understand what added safety this restriction brings provided the alternate parts are bought to the same spec. Enforcing this rule would have serious implications for us. Before we do it I would like to know: Have you experienced similar issues? If so, how did you manage to comply with it? Any information or advice would be gratefully received. Thanks for your time, Craig - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
CCC Standard - IEC Equivalent request (60950 topic)
Good morning experts, I'm working on CCC approval for some of our products but have come across a stumbling block. The standard CCC are using for their certification is GB 4943-2001. The European equivalent version of this is IEC60950: 1999 (although I have been told not all items are the same). Unfortunately I do not have a copy of IEC 60950: 1999 and I have not been able to find this now obsolete standard for sale anywhere (I would be loathe to buy an obsolete standard anyway). Could someone possibly be kind enough to send me a copy? Thanks and regards, Craig Craig Petrie, Product Safety Engineer, NCR Financial Solutions Group Ltd., 3rd Floor East, Discovery Centre, 3 Fulton Road, Dundee, Scotland. DD2 4SW E-Mail: craig.d.pet...@ncr.com Tel: +44(0)1382 592803 (direct) / 592609 (lab) - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
CCC Requirements for Harnesses and Manuals
Dear approval experts, I am working on CCC approvals for some Automated Teller Machines (ATMs) at present, and have come across some certification difficulties regarding harnesses and operator manuals. I would be grateful if you could share any similar CCC experiences with me, either by way of mailing list or off-line. I have been informed that all mains carrying cords (including internal ATM conductors) must have CCC approval. We had originally believed it was only the power cord (from wall socket to ATM inlet filter) which required this approval. Have you had any experience with such a requirement, and if so, how did you handle this? What type of power cord did you have to use (our ATMs use SJT type for external power cord and SVT type for internal mains carrying cords)? Also, we have been told that we must ship a Chinese Operator Manual either in hard copy or on a CD with each ATM destined for the Chinese market. Again, could you share any experiences you've have had regarding manuals etc? Thanks for your advice, Craig - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: CCC processes
I am beginning to look into how to achieve CCC also. I would be obliged if I was copied on any reply to Richard. Thanks and regards, Craig From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of 'Rich Nute' Sent: 02 July 2008 02:29 To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: CCC processes Is there a good document (in English) on CCC processes? How to do it? Are there any agents in England who can assist or get CCC? Thanks for your help, Richard Nute San Diego - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
EMC Standards for Contactless Card Readers
On behalf of a friend, I am enquiring about what EMC standards would be applicable in Europe for a Contactless Card Reader operating at 13.56Mhz. Could anyone be kind enough to advise? Regards, Craig Craig Petrie, Product Safety Engineer, NCR Financial Solutions Group Ltd., 3rd Floor East, Discovery Centre, 3 Fulton Road, Dundee, Scotland. DD2 4SW E-Mail: craig.d.pet...@ncr.com Tel: +44(0)1382 592803 (direct) / 592609 (lab) - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
