Re: [PSES] DoC on final product
Yes we have the latest copy. Thanks Ron From: Ron Pickard (RPQ) [mailto:rpick...@rpqconsulting.com] Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 11:10 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] DoC on final product Additionally, you should have a copy of the current reports associated with those standards from the radio module manufacturer for you to declare compliance of your CE marked product. Best regards, Ron Pickard Sent from my smartphone -- Original message-- From: Michael Derby Date: Mon, Jun 1, 2015 7:44 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGmailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG; Subject:Re: [PSES] DoC on final product Hello Amund,Yes, I would say that you do need to list the module's radio standards on the DoC of the final product.Afhttp://product.After all, the person putting the final product on the market is effectively using those standards to state compliance of their new radio product.Thhttp://product.Those standards are used to show compliance for the final product.Thhttp://product.Thanks,Michael.hthttp://Michael.http://acbcert.com/seminars/2015-Seminar-email/ACB-news-2015-Wireless-and-EMC-Training.htmlCertificationhttp://acbcert.com/seminars/2015-Seminar-email/ACB-news-2015-Wireless-and-EMC-Training.htmlCertification Resource for the Wireless Industry Web: www.acbcert.comhttp://www.acbcert.com e-mail: micha...@acbcert.commailto:%20micha...@acbcert.com Direct phone:(+1) 703 468 1746tel:+1)%20703%20468%201746 (USA area code) Mobile phone: (+44) 7939 880829tel:+44)%207939%20880829 (UK area code) Corporate office phone: USA: (+1) 703 847 4700tel:+1)%20703%20847%204700 Corporate office fax:USA: (+1) 703 847 6888tel:+1)%20703%20847%206888 -Original Message-From: Amund Westin [mailto:am...@westin-emission.nomailto::am...@westin-emission.no] Sent: 01 June 2015 12:42To: emc-p...@listserv.ieee.ORGSubmailto:%20emc-p...@listserv.ieee.ORGSubject: [PSES] DoC on final productA radio module (GSM/GPRS/EDGE) is tested according to a range of standards, which are listed in RTTE OJ. Then this radio module is installed into a non-radio ITE (EMC and LVD apply only).Question: The final product is now a radio product and the DoC shall refer to RTTE 1999/5/EC only.When listing the different standards in the DoC, shall all the radio standards (from the radio module DoC) be listed?I assume so, but like to check out if any comments.Brhttp://comments.BrAmund-This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at:http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.htmlAttachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.htmlFor help, send mail to the list administrators:Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to:Jim Bacher: David Heald: -This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at:http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.htmlAttachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.htmlFor help, send mail to the list administrators:Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to:Jim Bacher: David Heald: - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas sdoug...@ieee.orgmailto:sdoug...@ieee.org Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.orgmailto:mcantw...@ieee.org
[PSES] D of C and product safety warnings and caution markings
I have a question that has been presented to me for several years now and I need this groups help. When we ship our products to the end user and our products meets all of the LVD requirements (per IEC/EN 60950), we place a physical copy of our D of C with EACH terminal. I have been ask if we could put our D of C on our company web site and make reference, physically on the shipping box to the web address where our D of C would be posted. The issue I need help with is this. does the D of C have to be shipped physically with EACH product in the shipping box OR can the shipping box have a web address printed on it to direct the end user to our D of C? Also, if the D of C is NOT physically in the shipping box, how does the country customs inspector know if we meet the required EU LVD requirements? Thanks Ron Baugh This electronic message, including attachments, is intended only for the use of the individual or company named above or to which it is addressed. The information contained in this message shall be considered confidential and proprietary, and may include confidential work product. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any unauthorized use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by replying to this message and deleting this email immediately. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas sdoug...@ieee.org Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
RE: Current from Car 12V cigarette lighter socket
Yes Charles it's UL 2089 Vehicle Battery Adapters. I also have a unit (ITE Listed) that will operate from a auto battery and I have to make sure that all my 12V devices meets this standard. Ron Baugh VeriFone, Inc. -Original Message- From: Charles Blackham [SMTP:cblac...@airspan.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 2:07 AM To: 'emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org' Subject:Current from Car 12V cigarette lighter socket Some of our equipment runs off 12Vdc. Typically this is provided by a UL Listed ac/dc power supply that meets the Limited Power Source requirement of IEC60950. We wish to be able to power this from the 12V cigarette lighter socket in a car: Is there a standard that covers the output of 12V sockets in cars? Do they have to meet something similar to the Limited Power Source requirements of IEC60950? regards Charlie Blackham Senior Approvals Engineer Airspan Communications Ltd. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: Compliance Primer
Hi Scott, I would first show your director the reference in the 2002 NEC Article 90.7 (Page 70-31) Examination of Equipment for Safety. It doesn't get specific information as what you are asking for, but it does give the reason we have to do what we do. From that point on, I'm sure other list members have more specific ideas. Ron Baugh VeriFone, Inc. -Original Message- From: Scott Douglas [SMTP:dougl...@naradnetworks.com] Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 6:15 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject:Compliance Primer Hi, Does anyone know of any primers on regulatory compliance? Like what compliance is, why we do it, how does one figure out what standards apply to a product, and whatever? Reason I ask is I had these questions posed to me by one of our directors. He wants to learn about compliance. I was caught flat footed. How do you explain what took you 19 years to learn? And that you really don't know as much as you think? I showed him my stack of standards but didn't think that would be a good place for him to start. Looking forward to your comments. Regards, Scott Douglas Senior Compliance Engineer Narad Networks 515 Groton Road Westford, MA 01886 office: 978 589-1869 cell: 978-239-0693 dougl...@naradnetworks.com www.naradnetworks.com http://www.naradnetworks.com/ --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: C-Tick Artwork
Hi Bob, Try this link!! It's a good resource for such issues. http://www.safetylink.com/ http://www.safetylink.com/ Regards, Ron Baugh VeriFone, Inc. -Original Message- From: rehel...@mmm.com [SMTP:rehel...@mmm.com] Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 6:49 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject:C-Tick Artwork Does anyone know if Australian C-Tick electronic artwork is publically available for downloading from the Web? I did not find anything on the ACA website. Thank you, Bob Heller 3M Product Safety, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651- 778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: mechanical deformation rating under repeated impact
Chet, You might want to look in UL Safety Standard 508 starting with Part 1 Paragraph 6. This standards requires some very aggressive mechanical tests for enclosures. Ron Baugh VeriFone, Inc. -Original Message- From: Summers, Chet [SMTP:csumm...@pelco.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 10:23 AM To: Emc-Pstc (E-mail) Subject:mechanical deformation rating under repeated impact Hello group, I am looking for a standard (or standards) that rates the repeated impact or detent withstand of small electronic enclosures (app. one cubic foot or less in volume). I am aware of UL's impact rating test, but I am looking for something a bit more aggressive. Is there such a standard or guideline published that characterizes the amount of deformation an enclosure exhibits under repeated hammer blows, for example? The object delivering the blow is not limited to hammers, it could be any such weapon--lead pipe, pipe wrench, ice pick, screwdriver, combat boot(?)... Any info or direction is much appreciated! Chet Summers Compliance Engineering Group Pelco Ph: (559) 292-1981 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: EN54-7; Impact - swinging hammer
Hi Amund, I would contact Factory Mutual, because they do world wide testing for fire equipment. Their URL is: http://www.fmglobal.com/ http://www.fmglobal.com/ Good luck, Ron Baugh -Original Message- From: am...@westin.org [SMTP:am...@westin.org] Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 11:42 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject:EN54-7; Impact - swinging hammer Hi all, The European standard EN54-7 specifies requirements and test methods for smoke detectors for use in fire alarm systems for buildings. Chapter 5.14 is the Impact test. A swinging hammer is required to carry out the test and the following conditions applies : Impact enery = 1.9J and velocity=1.5m/s Where can I find a EU laboratory who can do this test and in addition is accredited for this specific test ? Best regards Amund Westin, Oslo/Norway -- Get your firstname@lastname email for FREE at http://Nameplanet.com/?su --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
