RE: RTTE and E-Mark applicable?
Thank you all for helping. I believe I know the right approach now for devices that can straddle the fence. It will be interesting if there is more clarification about this before Oct 2002 like Mr. Woodgate mentioned. Neil, my scenario for the laptop needing E-Mark would then only apply to the cigarrette lighter adapter that powers the laptop, simalr to your hands-free kit scenario for cellphones. Thank you all again. W W --- Barker, Neil neil.bar...@e2vtechnologies.com wrote: I believe that your interpretation of the marking requirements is correct. Devices that are intended for use in vehicles need to be e-marked, and devices for use elsewhere need to be CE marked. Devices intended for both environments will need both markings. I am concerned, however, with your interpretation of the type of devices that may need to be e-marked. A laptop would only need to be e-marked if it was intended to be installed in a vehicle. A regular laptop that is simply used in a vehicle is not subject to the Automotive EMC Directive. If this were not the case, then potentially all laptops could be used in vehicles and all would require to be e-marked! Similarly for radio devices. A mobile radio (receiver or transmitter) that is intended for installation in a vehicle does need to be e-marked. However, a portable radio that can be carried in and out of a vehicle (e.g. cellphone) does not require to be e-marked, but any adaptor that is intended to be permanently installed in the vehicle for use with such a portable device would need to be e-marked. So, your cellphone does not need to be e-marked, but the installed hands-free adaptor does need to be e-marked. I hope that this clarifies the position for you. Best regards, Neil R. Barker Compliance Engineering Manager E2V Technologies Waterhouse Lane Chelmsford Essex CM1 2QU U.K. Tel: +44 (01245) 453616 Fax: +44 (01245) 453410 E-mail: neil.bar...@e2vtechnologies.com -Original Message- From: w w [mailto:kro...@yahoo.com] Sent: 21 August 2002 19:21 To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RTTE and E-Mark applicable? Hello Group, 1) Assuming I have learned corrrectly from past discussions, devices that can fall under two EU Directives: examples: Laptop's used in vehicle (E-Mark requirements) and non-vehicle (CE-Mark requirements)environments. or Radio devices used in vehicles (E-Mark CE Mark/RTTE) would need to show compliance to both EU Directives...entailing a combined test plan and placing both marks on the device(E CE Mark). One does not supercede the other. Thank you in advance. W W __ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list ATTACHMENT part 2 application/octet-stream name=Neil R. Barker (E-mail).vcf __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
Fwd: RTTE and E-Mark applicable?
Note: forwarded message attached. OopsQuestion is Is this correct, the scenario I proposed? Thx again __ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com---BeginMessage--- Hello Group, 1) Assuming I have learned corrrectly from past discussions, devices that can fall under two EU Directives: examples: Laptop's used in vehicle (E-Mark requirements) and non-vehicle (CE-Mark requirements)environments. or Radio devices used in vehicles (E-Mark CE Mark/RTTE) would need to show compliance to both EU Directives...entailing a combined test plan and placing both marks on the device(E CE Mark). One does not supercede the other. Thank you in advance. W W __ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list---End Message---
Radar Detectors, RTTE standards
Hello again, Forgot to ask, can someone refer me which EN 300/301-XXX would be applicable for radar detecors? Thanks in advance. W W __ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RTTE and E-Mark applicable?
Hello Group, 1) Assuming I have learned corrrectly from past discussions, devices that can fall under two EU Directives: examples: Laptop's used in vehicle (E-Mark requirements) and non-vehicle (CE-Mark requirements)environments. or Radio devices used in vehicles (E-Mark CE Mark/RTTE) would need to show compliance to both EU Directives...entailing a combined test plan and placing both marks on the device(E CE Mark). One does not supercede the other. Thank you in advance. W W __ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
JAA testing??
Hello Group, Does anyone know what JAA testing is? I heard something it may be affiliated with RTCA requirements? Any feedback is most appreciated. WW __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
IEC 61000-4-5 Surge Lower Levels
Thank you all for the feedback on lower levels for ESD. What an education! Without question, we certainly need to consider lower-levels to minimize ESD failures/issues in the field. How about Surge? Is it overkill performing lower levels? Should this only be considered for devices with gas tube arrestors etc..? Then the last question, is lower levels only a concern for the -2 -5? Why not IEC 61000-4-3, -4, -6, -8 etc.. (I'm guessing because these are considered continuous phenomenons and only non-continuous seems to be of concern) Thx __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
IEC 61000-4-2 ESD 61000-4-5 Surge lower levels
Hello all, I'm confused. When preparing an EMC test plan for CE requirements I've been told to narrow in on Generic or Product Standards (which ever is more applicable) to help demonstrate compliance. For example, if testing to EN 55024 ITE immunity, the standard calls for various IEC Basic Standards to be carried out. The severity levels to be perfromed on the EUT is given in the EN 55024 tables. I've always been told that: - The level called out in the Generic/Product standard takes precedent over the the informative- recommended sevrity levels (for a given environment,level 1-4 etc)in the IEC Basic's - The Basic's are only to be used for set-up and how to perfrom the test. Here's the question: In the ESD and Surge standard there is mention in the test methodology that lower levels shall be applied (I don't see this in the EFT, Rad Susc. or Cond RF standards). I have heard comments that only the one set of levels called out in the Generic/Product standard is all that needs to be performed. Then I've also been told from other camps that lower levels MUST be carried out. If the EN 55024 calls for 1,2 kV for surge on the AC, does this mean we have to repeat the test @ .5, 1kV too? For ESD, 8 air, 4 cont should really be 8,6,4,2 air and 4,2,1 cont?? Any guidance would be appreciated. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
