Re: [PSES] FCC label - stick-on / permanently affixed ....
That test, in various slightly different forms, has been in many IEC standards for years but it does not really address 2 areas which are covered in the UL (and I assume CSA) labelling systems Standards - legibility and adhesion in the sorts of adverse environment/usage/cleaning conditions that some equipment can encounter even in "normal operation"; - the need for on-going label and adhesives manufacturing controls to ensure that the labels continue to be compliant. Always had some reservations about those IEC-related issues as product manufacturing techniques and "product improvements" (including cost -reductions) could easily involve labelling changes resulting in non-compliances (and thus was often happier when appropriately Recognized/Certified labelling systems were used if the products get externally warm and/or were designed for anything other than very benign environments). John Allen W.London, UK -Original Message- From: Nyffenegger, Dave [mailto:dave.nyffeneg...@bhemail.com] Sent: 13 August 2015 15:24 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] FCC label - stick-on / permanently affixed I also refer to EN 60950-1:2006 1.7.11 DURABILITY which has stringent test criteria as this is required for CE marked products for the Low Voltage Directive. -Dave -Original Message- From: John Barnes [mailto:jrbar...@iglou.com] Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 9:55 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] FCC label - stick-on / permanently affixed Amund, It has been over 13 years since I was last involved with product labels at Lexmark. But at that time the Canadian Standards Association (CSA) had the most stringent requirements for the LABELLING SYSTEM (as mentioned by John Allen) used for product-safety labels: * Label stock, * Ink or toner, AND * Pressure-sensitive adhesive (PSA), compatible with the housing material used on your product. As I recall, a CSA-Approved LABELLING SYSTEM had to meet a number of durability tests for the markings on the label, including adhesion and legibility tests after scrubbing labels *on the product housing* with water and kerosene. We found quite a few types of plastic labels available in various colors, shapes, and sizes, that could be run through a laser printer-- using specific toner cartridges-- that constituted CSA-approved LABELLING SYSTEMS. Some of these labels were available in tamperproof versions that would tear, or left a "void" message on the product, if someone tried to pull up the label. The major disadvantage of these LABELLING SYSTEMS was that we had to print an entire sheet of labels at one time. Our basic approach at Lexmark-- while I was in Product Development from 1990 to 2002-- was to have a fairly-large label that included: * The product model. * The unit's serial number. * FCC, CE, and other electromagnetic compatibility (EMC) markings and statements. * Product safety information, including all applicable safety marks. If there wasn't room on the back of the product for the label, we'd put it on the bottom in a large, flat area. Our labels were designed from the beginning with all of the EMC and product safety marks that we intended to get for the product. Then for early production-- while some EMC/product-safety certifications were still in progress-- we'd manually cover up those marks/markings on the label with a black Sharpie permanent marker. In production, we had a system (usually a personal computer running a special program) that would write the unit's serial number to its flash ROM, based on the serial number printed on the label. I think that we had some type of protection built into the firmware, that kept this information from being overwritten by any "ordinary" means. I remember the head of Product Safety grumbling to me once, that it seemed like half of the work of his department was dealing with the d**ned labels, and had nothing to do with the product itself Again, this information is 13+ years old. But it might give you some starting points for working with your developers, vendors, and production folks. Thanks! John Barnes KS4GL, PE, NCE, NCT, ESDC Eng, ESDC Tech, PSE, Master EMC Design Eng, SM IEEE Lexington, KY http://www.dbicorporation.com/ - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://
Re: [PSES] FCC label - stick-on / permanently affixed ....
My older copy of UL 60950/CSA C22.2 No. 60950-00 3rd edition from 2000 has the same durability requirements in section 1.7.13 as the EN standard. -Dave -Original Message- From: Nyffenegger, Dave [mailto:dave.nyffeneg...@bhemail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 10:24 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] FCC label - stick-on / permanently affixed I also refer to EN 60950-1:2006 1.7.11 DURABILITY which has stringent test criteria as this is required for CE marked products for the Low Voltage Directive. -Dave -Original Message- From: John Barnes [mailto:jrbar...@iglou.com] Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 9:55 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] FCC label - stick-on / permanently affixed Amund, It has been over 13 years since I was last involved with product labels at Lexmark. But at that time the Canadian Standards Association (CSA) had the most stringent requirements for the LABELLING SYSTEM (as mentioned by John Allen) used for product-safety labels: * Label stock, * Ink or toner, AND * Pressure-sensitive adhesive (PSA), compatible with the housing material used on your product. As I recall, a CSA-Approved LABELLING SYSTEM had to meet a number of durability tests for the markings on the label, including adhesion and legibility tests after scrubbing labels *on the product housing* with water and kerosene. We found quite a few types of plastic labels available in various colors, shapes, and sizes, that could be run through a laser printer-- using specific toner cartridges-- that constituted CSA-approved LABELLING SYSTEMS. Some of these labels were available in tamperproof versions that would tear, or left a "void" message on the product, if someone tried to pull up the label. The major disadvantage of these LABELLING SYSTEMS was that we had to print an entire sheet of labels at one time. Our basic approach at Lexmark-- while I was in Product Development from 1990 to 2002-- was to have a fairly-large label that included: * The product model. * The unit's serial number. * FCC, CE, and other electromagnetic compatibility (EMC) markings and statements. * Product safety information, including all applicable safety marks. If there wasn't room on the back of the product for the label, we'd put it on the bottom in a large, flat area. Our labels were designed from the beginning with all of the EMC and product safety marks that we intended to get for the product. Then for early production-- while some EMC/product-safety certifications were still in progress-- we'd manually cover up those marks/markings on the label with a black Sharpie permanent marker. In production, we had a system (usually a personal computer running a special program) that would write the unit's serial number to its flash ROM, based on the serial number printed on the label. I think that we had some type of protection built into the firmware, that kept this information from being overwritten by any "ordinary" means. I remember the head of Product Safety grumbling to me once, that it seemed like half of the work of his department was dealing with the d**ned labels, and had nothing to do with the product itself Again, this information is 13+ years old. But it might give you some starting points for working with your developers, vendors, and production folks. Thanks! John Barnes KS4GL, PE, NCE, NCT, ESDC Eng, ESDC Tech, PSE, Master EMC Design Eng, SM IEEE Lexington, KY http://www.dbicorporation.com/ - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald: - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses
Re: [PSES] FCC label - stick-on / permanently affixed ....
I also refer to EN 60950-1:2006 1.7.11 DURABILITY which has stringent test criteria as this is required for CE marked products for the Low Voltage Directive. -Dave -Original Message- From: John Barnes [mailto:jrbar...@iglou.com] Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 9:55 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] FCC label - stick-on / permanently affixed Amund, It has been over 13 years since I was last involved with product labels at Lexmark. But at that time the Canadian Standards Association (CSA) had the most stringent requirements for the LABELLING SYSTEM (as mentioned by John Allen) used for product-safety labels: * Label stock, * Ink or toner, AND * Pressure-sensitive adhesive (PSA), compatible with the housing material used on your product. As I recall, a CSA-Approved LABELLING SYSTEM had to meet a number of durability tests for the markings on the label, including adhesion and legibility tests after scrubbing labels *on the product housing* with water and kerosene. We found quite a few types of plastic labels available in various colors, shapes, and sizes, that could be run through a laser printer-- using specific toner cartridges-- that constituted CSA-approved LABELLING SYSTEMS. Some of these labels were available in tamperproof versions that would tear, or left a "void" message on the product, if someone tried to pull up the label. The major disadvantage of these LABELLING SYSTEMS was that we had to print an entire sheet of labels at one time. Our basic approach at Lexmark-- while I was in Product Development from 1990 to 2002-- was to have a fairly-large label that included: * The product model. * The unit's serial number. * FCC, CE, and other electromagnetic compatibility (EMC) markings and statements. * Product safety information, including all applicable safety marks. If there wasn't room on the back of the product for the label, we'd put it on the bottom in a large, flat area. Our labels were designed from the beginning with all of the EMC and product safety marks that we intended to get for the product. Then for early production-- while some EMC/product-safety certifications were still in progress-- we'd manually cover up those marks/markings on the label with a black Sharpie permanent marker. In production, we had a system (usually a personal computer running a special program) that would write the unit's serial number to its flash ROM, based on the serial number printed on the label. I think that we had some type of protection built into the firmware, that kept this information from being overwritten by any "ordinary" means. I remember the head of Product Safety grumbling to me once, that it seemed like half of the work of his department was dealing with the d**ned labels, and had nothing to do with the product itself Again, this information is 13+ years old. But it might give you some starting points for working with your developers, vendors, and production folks. Thanks! John Barnes KS4GL, PE, NCE, NCT, ESDC Eng, ESDC Tech, PSE, Master EMC Design Eng, SM IEEE Lexington, KY http://www.dbicorporation.com/ - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald: - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
Re: [PSES] FCC label - stick-on / permanently affixed ....
Amund, It has been over 13 years since I was last involved with product labels at Lexmark. But at that time the Canadian Standards Association (CSA) had the most stringent requirements for the LABELLING SYSTEM (as mentioned by John Allen) used for product-safety labels: * Label stock, * Ink or toner, AND * Pressure-sensitive adhesive (PSA), compatible with the housing material used on your product. As I recall, a CSA-Approved LABELLING SYSTEM had to meet a number of durability tests for the markings on the label, including adhesion and legibility tests after scrubbing labels *on the product housing* with water and kerosene. We found quite a few types of plastic labels available in various colors, shapes, and sizes, that could be run through a laser printer-- using specific toner cartridges-- that constituted CSA-approved LABELLING SYSTEMS. Some of these labels were available in tamperproof versions that would tear, or left a "void" message on the product, if someone tried to pull up the label. The major disadvantage of these LABELLING SYSTEMS was that we had to print an entire sheet of labels at one time. Our basic approach at Lexmark-- while I was in Product Development from 1990 to 2002-- was to have a fairly-large label that included: * The product model. * The unit's serial number. * FCC, CE, and other electromagnetic compatibility (EMC) markings and statements. * Product safety information, including all applicable safety marks. If there wasn't room on the back of the product for the label, we'd put it on the bottom in a large, flat area. Our labels were designed from the beginning with all of the EMC and product safety marks that we intended to get for the product. Then for early production-- while some EMC/product-safety certifications were still in progress-- we'd manually cover up those marks/markings on the label with a black Sharpie permanent marker. In production, we had a system (usually a personal computer running a special program) that would write the unit's serial number to its flash ROM, based on the serial number printed on the label. I think that we had some type of protection built into the firmware, that kept this information from being overwritten by any "ordinary" means. I remember the head of Product Safety grumbling to me once, that it seemed like half of the work of his department was dealing with the d**ned labels, and had nothing to do with the product itself Again, this information is 13+ years old. But it might give you some starting points for working with your developers, vendors, and production folks. Thanks! John Barnes KS4GL, PE, NCE, NCT, ESDC Eng, ESDC Tech, PSE, Master EMC Design Eng, SM IEEE Lexington, KY http://www.dbicorporation.com/ - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
Re: [PSES] FCC label - stick-on / permanently affixed ....
Dave Thats the sort of information source to which I was alluding so its probably what Amund should refer to. John Allen W.London, UK From: Nyffenegger, Dave [mailto:dave.nyffeneg...@bhemail.com] Sent: 13 August 2015 13:06 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] FCC label - stick-on / permanently affixed You can also refer to UL 969 for requirements of adhesive-attached labels for use as permanent nameplates. -Dave From: John Allen [mailto:john_e_al...@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 3:34 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] FCC label - stick-on / permanently affixed Morning Following on from Charlies points below, if you have a NTRL listing, then (generally?) that NRTL will make sure that the rating label is physically suitable for the intended use and environment (UL would require a suitably Recognized labelling system label for a separate label) and therefore I would have thought that that would be adequate grounds for claiming that it would also meet the FCC requirements in question by default. John Allen W.London, UK From: Charlie Blackham [mailto:char...@sulisconsultants.com] Sent: 13 August 2015 08:15 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] FCC label - stick-on / permanently affixed Amund The FCC dont routinely check labels in the same way that some NRTLs do, so theres no approved label. The FCC label should be as well affixed as your rating label and other compliance marks - many products integrate them onto the same label or silk-screen them onto the product Regards Charlie From: Amund Westin [mailto:am...@westin-emission.no] Sent: 13 August 2015 07:45 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] FCC label - stick-on / permanently affixed FCC CFR 47 §15.19 Labelling requirements: The label shall not be a stick-on, paper label. The label on these products shall be permanently affixed to the product and shall be readily visible to the purchaser at the time of purchase, as described in §2.925(d) of this chapter. Permanently affixed means that the label is etched, engraved, stamped, silkscreened, indelibly printed, or otherwise permanently marked on a permanently attached part of the equipment or on a nameplate of metal, plastic, or other material fastened to the equipment by welding, riveting, or a permanent adhesive. The label must be designed to last the expected lifetime of the equipment in the environment in which the equipment may be operated and must not be readily detachable. My interpretation: Stick-on, paper label is a label with paper surface. Such type of label can be damaged when exposed to humidity, water, etc. I have a lot of devices (here at the office) with FCC label and many of them have stick-on labels. But, they have plastic, vinyl, etc surface. Such a label will be more resistant than a paper label. But still its a stick-on label. In my opinion, it will be good enough to use a stick-on plastic label with permanent adhesive. The last question can be «what is permanent adhesive?». Any comments? Best regards Amund - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) <http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html> List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher David Heald - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) <http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html> List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher David Heald - This message is from the
Re: [PSES] FCC label - stick-on / permanently affixed ....
You can also refer to UL 969 for requirements of adhesive-attached labels for use as permanent nameplates. -Dave From: John Allen [mailto:john_e_al...@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 3:34 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] FCC label - stick-on / permanently affixed Morning Following on from Charlie's points below, if you have a NTRL listing, then (generally?) that NRTL will make sure that the rating label is physically suitable for the intended use and environment (UL would require a suitably Recognized labelling system label for a separate label) and therefore I would have thought that that would be adequate grounds for claiming that it would also meet the FCC requirements in question by default. John Allen W.London, UK From: Charlie Blackham [mailto:char...@sulisconsultants.com] Sent: 13 August 2015 08:15 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] FCC label - stick-on / permanently affixed Amund The FCC don't routinely check labels in the same way that some NRTLs do, so there's no "approved label". The FCC label should be as well affixed as your rating label and other compliance marks - many products integrate them onto the same label or silk-screen them onto the product Regards Charlie From: Amund Westin [mailto:am...@westin-emission.no] Sent: 13 August 2015 07:45 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: [PSES] FCC label - stick-on / permanently affixed FCC CFR 47 §15.19 Labelling requirements: The label shall not be a stick-on, paper label. The label on these products shall be permanently affixed to the product and shall be readily visible to the purchaser at the time of purchase, as described in §2.925(d) of this chapter. "Permanently affixed" means that the label is etched, engraved, stamped, silkscreened, indelibly printed, or otherwise permanently marked on a permanently attached part of the equipment or on a nameplate of metal, plastic, or other material fastened to the equipment by welding, riveting, or a permanent adhesive. The label must be designed to last the expected lifetime of the equipment in the environment in which the equipment may be operated and must not be readily detachable. My interpretation: Stick-on, paper label is a label with paper surface. Such type of label can be damaged when exposed to humidity, water, etc. I have a lot of devices (here at the office) with FCC label and many of them have stick-on labels. But, they have plastic, vinyl, etc surface. Such a label will be more resistant than a paper label. But still it's a stick-on label. In my opinion, it will be good enough to use a stick-on plastic label with permanent adhesive. The last question can be «what is permanent adhesive?». Any comments? Best regards Amund - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org>> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)<http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html> List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas mailto:sdoug...@ieee.org>> Mike Cantwell mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org>> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org>> David Heald mailto:dhe...@gmail.com>> - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org>> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)<http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html> List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas mailto:sdoug...@ieee.org>> Mike Cantwell mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org>> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org>> David Heald mailto:dhe...@gmail.com>> - This message is
Re: [PSES] FCC label - stick-on / permanently affixed ....
Morning Following on from Charlies points below, if you have a NTRL listing, then (generally?) that NRTL will make sure that the rating label is physically suitable for the intended use and environment (UL would require a suitably Recognized labelling system label for a separate label) and therefore I would have thought that that would be adequate grounds for claiming that it would also meet the FCC requirements in question by default. John Allen W.London, UK From: Charlie Blackham [mailto:char...@sulisconsultants.com] Sent: 13 August 2015 08:15 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] FCC label - stick-on / permanently affixed Amund The FCC dont routinely check labels in the same way that some NRTLs do, so theres no approved label. The FCC label should be as well affixed as your rating label and other compliance marks - many products integrate them onto the same label or silk-screen them onto the product Regards Charlie From: Amund Westin [mailto:am...@westin-emission.no] Sent: 13 August 2015 07:45 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] FCC label - stick-on / permanently affixed FCC CFR 47 §15.19 Labelling requirements: The label shall not be a stick-on, paper label. The label on these products shall be permanently affixed to the product and shall be readily visible to the purchaser at the time of purchase, as described in §2.925(d) of this chapter. Permanently affixed means that the label is etched, engraved, stamped, silkscreened, indelibly printed, or otherwise permanently marked on a permanently attached part of the equipment or on a nameplate of metal, plastic, or other material fastened to the equipment by welding, riveting, or a permanent adhesive. The label must be designed to last the expected lifetime of the equipment in the environment in which the equipment may be operated and must not be readily detachable. My interpretation: Stick-on, paper label is a label with paper surface. Such type of label can be damaged when exposed to humidity, water, etc. I have a lot of devices (here at the office) with FCC label and many of them have stick-on labels. But, they have plastic, vinyl, etc surface. Such a label will be more resistant than a paper label. But still its a stick-on label. In my opinion, it will be good enough to use a stick-on plastic label with permanent adhesive. The last question can be «what is permanent adhesive?». Any comments? Best regards Amund - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) <http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html> List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher David Heald - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) <http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html> List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher David Heald - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For poli
Re: [PSES] FCC label - stick-on / permanently affixed ....
Amund The FCC don't routinely check labels in the same way that some NRTLs do, so there's no "approved label". The FCC label should be as well affixed as your rating label and other compliance marks - many products integrate them onto the same label or silk-screen them onto the product Regards Charlie From: Amund Westin [mailto:am...@westin-emission.no] Sent: 13 August 2015 07:45 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] FCC label - stick-on / permanently affixed FCC CFR 47 §15.19 Labelling requirements: The label shall not be a stick-on, paper label. The label on these products shall be permanently affixed to the product and shall be readily visible to the purchaser at the time of purchase, as described in §2.925(d) of this chapter. "Permanently affixed" means that the label is etched, engraved, stamped, silkscreened, indelibly printed, or otherwise permanently marked on a permanently attached part of the equipment or on a nameplate of metal, plastic, or other material fastened to the equipment by welding, riveting, or a permanent adhesive. The label must be designed to last the expected lifetime of the equipment in the environment in which the equipment may be operated and must not be readily detachable. My interpretation: Stick-on, paper label is a label with paper surface. Such type of label can be damaged when exposed to humidity, water, etc. I have a lot of devices (here at the office) with FCC label and many of them have stick-on labels. But, they have plastic, vinyl, etc surface. Such a label will be more resistant than a paper label. But still it's a stick-on label. In my opinion, it will be good enough to use a stick-on plastic label with permanent adhesive. The last question can be «what is permanent adhesive?». Any comments? Best regards Amund - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org>> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)<http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html> List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas mailto:sdoug...@ieee.org>> Mike Cantwell mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org>> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org>> David Heald mailto:dhe...@gmail.com>> - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
Re: [PSES] FCC label - stick-on / permanently affixed ....
In message <007601d0d593$93d08710$bb719530$@westin-emission.no>, dated Thu, 13 Aug 2015, Amund Westin writes: In my opinion, it will be good enough to use a stick-on plastic label with permanent adhesive. The last question can be ‹what is permanent adhesive?›. Talk to a label manufacturer who already makes FCC compliant labels. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk When I turn my back on the sun, it's to look for a rainbow John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
[PSES] FCC label - stick-on / permanently affixed ....
FCC CFR 47 §15.19 Labelling requirements: The label shall not be a stick-on, paper label. The label on these products shall be permanently affixed to the product and shall be readily visible to the purchaser at the time of purchase, as described in §2.925(d) of this chapter. Permanently affixed means that the label is etched, engraved, stamped, silkscreened, indelibly printed, or otherwise permanently marked on a permanently attached part of the equipment or on a nameplate of metal, plastic, or other material fastened to the equipment by welding, riveting, or a permanent adhesive. The label must be designed to last the expected lifetime of the equipment in the environment in which the equipment may be operated and must not be readily detachable. My interpretation: Stick-on, paper label is a label with paper surface. Such type of label can be damaged when exposed to humidity, water, etc. I have a lot of devices (here at the office) with FCC label and many of them have stick-on labels. But, they have plastic, vinyl, etc surface. Such a label will be more resistant than a paper label. But still its a stick-on label. In my opinion, it will be good enough to use a stick-on plastic label with permanent adhesive. The last question can be «what is permanent adhesive?». Any comments? Best regards Amund - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
