Re: [PSES] Machinery requirements for Japan market
Bit like the "voluntary" nature of VCCI EMC certification, then!:DSent from my FonepadChris <0133def26cf0-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org> wrote:Pete,Very true 'voluntary' definition.Big name Japanese customers will not buy your product without these labels/certifications.I always recommend the certification route to our management and spend the extra funds to get VCCI report, regardsChristopherFrom: Pete Perkins <0061f3f32d0c-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org> To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [PSES] Machinery requirements for Japan market Mike, Dave et al, Just a reminder, 'voluntary' has a different definition in Japan. We tried to play the card when I worked at the bigelectronics company but our Japanese distributor remended us that they hadvolunteered to meet the requirement so it wasn't voluntary for the designand manufacturing company. :>) br, Pete Peter E Perkins, PEPrincipal Product Safety EngineerPO Box 23427Tigard, ORe 97281-3427 503/452-1201 fone/faxp.perk...@ieee.org __ _ _ _Hi Dave,From what I understand, the "Electrical Appliance and Material Safety Law"under the Ministry of Economy Trade and Industry has lists of "SpecifiedElectrical Appliances and Materials (Category A and B)" which determine theelectrical safety requirements for certain products.http://www.meti.go.jp/english/policy/economy/consumer/pse/02.htmhttp://www.meti.go.jp/english/policy/economy/consumer/pse/03.htmEMC is voluntary under the Voluntary Control Council for Interference(VCCI). https://www.vcci.jp/vcci_e/Mike VioletteWashington Laboratories & American Certification Body mi...@wll.com+1 240 401 1388On Feb 23, 2015, at 10:20 AM, Nyffenegger, Dave wrote:> Hi Folks,> > Can anyone tell me if there are any national requirements for certifications of light machinery used commercially in the officeenvironment in Japan or point me to where I can learn about that? i.e. Safety and/or EMC etc.> > thanks> > David P. Nyffenegger, PMP, SM-IEEE> Product Development Manager> Bell and Howell - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <sdoug...@ieee.org> Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher <j.bac...@ieee.org> David Heald <dhe...@gmail.com>
[PSES] Machinery requirements for Japan market
Pete, Very true 'voluntary' definition. Big name Japanese customers will not buy your product without these labels/certifications. I always recommend the certification route to our management and spend the extra funds to get VCCI report, regards Christopher From: Pete Perkins <0061f3f32d0c-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org> To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [PSES] Machinery requirements for Japan market Mike, Dave et al, Just a reminder, 'voluntary' has a different definition in Japan. We tried to play the card when I worked at the big electronics company but our Japanese distributor remended us that they had volunteered to meet the requirement so it wasn't voluntary for the design and manufacturing company. :>) br, Pete Peter E Perkins, PE Principal Product Safety Engineer PO Box 23427 Tigard, ORe 97281-3427 503/452-1201 fone/fax p.perk...@ieee.org __ _ _ _ Hi Dave, >From what I understand, the "Electrical Appliance and Material Safety Law" under the Ministry of Economy Trade and Industry has lists of "Specified Electrical Appliances and Materials (Category A and B)" which determine the electrical safety requirements for certain products. http://www.meti.go.jp/english/policy/economy/consumer/pse/02.htm http://www.meti.go.jp/english/policy/economy/consumer/pse/03.htm EMC is voluntary under the Voluntary Control Council for Interference (VCCI). https://www.vcci.jp/vcci_e/ Mike Violette Washington Laboratories & American Certification Body mi...@wll.com +1 240 401 1388 On Feb 23, 2015, at 10:20 AM, Nyffenegger, Dave wrote: > Hi Folks, > > Can anyone tell me if there are any national requirements for certifications > of light machinery used commercially in the office environment in Japan or point me to where I can learn about that? i.e. Safety and/or EMC etc. > > thanks > > David P. Nyffenegger, PMP, SM-IEEE > Product Development Manager > Bell and Howell - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
Re: [PSES] Machinery requirements for Japan market
Thanks for the info Mike. The A and B lists appear to include primarily components and household or small office appliances. I didn't see any large scale office or commercial equipment. Do you know if there simply are not requirements for those or could they be under the scope of different requirements/law? I'm assuming that the inclusion of components defined in the A/B lists in a larger product doesn't by itself mean the larger product is in scope. -Dave -Original Message- From: Mike Violette [mailto:mi...@acbcert.com] Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 11:31 AM To: Nyffenegger, Dave Cc: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Machinery requirements for Japan market Hi Dave, >From what I understand, the "Electrical Appliance and Material Safety Law" >under the Ministry of Economy Trade and Industry has lists of "Specified >Electrical Appliances and Materials (Category A and B)" which determine the >electrical safety requirements for certain products. http://www.meti.go.jp/english/policy/economy/consumer/pse/02.htm http://www.meti.go.jp/english/policy/economy/consumer/pse/03.htm EMC is voluntary under the Voluntary Control Council for Interference (VCCI). https://www.vcci.jp/vcci_e/ Mike Violette Washington Laboratories & American Certification Body mi...@wll.com +1 240 401 1388 On Feb 23, 2015, at 10:20 AM, Nyffenegger, Dave wrote: > Hi Folks, > > Can anyone tell me if there are any national requirements for certifications > of light machinery used commercially in the office environment in Japan or > point me to where I can learn about that? i.e. Safety and/or EMC etc. > > thanks > > David P. Nyffenegger, PMP, SM-IEEE > Product Development Manager > Bell and Howell > > - > > This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society > emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your > e-mail to > > All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: > http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html > > Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at > http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used > formats), large files, etc. > > Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ > Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to > unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html > > For help, send mail to the list administrators: > Scott Douglas > Mike Cantwell > > For policy questions, send mail to: > Jim Bacher: > David Heald: - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
Re: [PSES] Machinery requirements for Japan market
Mike, Dave et al, Just a reminder, 'voluntary' has a different definition in Japan. We tried to play the 'voluntary' card when I worked at the big electronics company but our Japanese distributor remended us that they had volunteered to meet the requirement so it wasn't voluntary for the design and manufacturing company. :>) br, Pete Peter E Perkins, PE Principal Product Safety Engineer PO Box 23427 Tigard, ORe 97281-3427 503/452-1201 fone/fax p.perk...@ieee.org __ _ _ _ Hi Dave, >From what I understand, the "Electrical Appliance and Material Safety Law" under the Ministry of Economy Trade and Industry has lists of "Specified Electrical Appliances and Materials (Category A and B)" which determine the electrical safety requirements for certain products. http://www.meti.go.jp/english/policy/economy/consumer/pse/02.htm http://www.meti.go.jp/english/policy/economy/consumer/pse/03.htm EMC is voluntary under the Voluntary Control Council for Interference (VCCI). https://www.vcci.jp/vcci_e/ Mike Violette Washington Laboratories & American Certification Body mi...@wll.com +1 240 401 1388 On Feb 23, 2015, at 10:20 AM, Nyffenegger, Dave wrote: > Hi Folks, > > Can anyone tell me if there are any national requirements for certifications of light machinery used commercially in the office environment in Japan or point me to where I can learn about that? i.e. Safety and/or EMC etc. > > thanks > > David P. Nyffenegger, PMP, SM-IEEE > Product Development Manager > Bell and Howell > > - > > This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society > emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your > e-mail to > > All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: > http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html > > Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. > > Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ > Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to > unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html > > For help, send mail to the list administrators: > Scott Douglas > Mike Cantwell > > For policy questions, send mail to: > Jim Bacher: > David Heald: - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald: - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
Re: [PSES] Machinery requirements for Japan market
Hi Dave, >From what I understand, the “Electrical Appliance and Material Safety Law” >under the Ministry of Economy Trade and Industry has lists of "Specified >Electrical Appliances and Materials (Category A and B)" which determine the >electrical safety requirements for certain products. http://www.meti.go.jp/english/policy/economy/consumer/pse/02.htm http://www.meti.go.jp/english/policy/economy/consumer/pse/03.htm EMC is voluntary under the Voluntary Control Council for Interference (VCCI). https://www.vcci.jp/vcci_e/ Mike Violette Washington Laboratories & American Certification Body mi...@wll.com +1 240 401 1388 On Feb 23, 2015, at 10:20 AM, Nyffenegger, Dave wrote: > Hi Folks, > > Can anyone tell me if there are any national requirements for certifications > of light machinery used commercially in the office environment in Japan or > point me to where I can learn about that? i.e. Safety and/or EMC etc. > > thanks > > David P. Nyffenegger, PMP, SM-IEEE > Product Development Manager > Bell and Howell > > - > > This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc > discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to > > > All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: > http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html > > Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at > http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used > formats), large files, etc. > > Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ > Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to > unsubscribe) > List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html > > For help, send mail to the list administrators: > Scott Douglas > Mike Cantwell > > For policy questions, send mail to: > Jim Bacher: > David Heald: - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
[PSES] Machinery requirements for Japan market
Hi Folks, Can anyone tell me if there are any national requirements for certifications of light machinery used commercially in the office environment in Japan or point me to where I can learn about that? i.e. Safety and/or EMC etc. thanks David P. Nyffenegger, PMP, SM-IEEE Product Development Manager Bell and Howell - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
