Re: [PSES] Retrofit kits
Gary, The LED driver (assuming AC-to-DC) should be approved; however, the kit does not need to be certified. The field inspection will take into consideration the LED driver along with the rest of the equipment. I think you should be good to go! Chris Chris Brown Team Lead Compliance t 519-455-9675 - Ext 1380 t 800-265-1844 - Ext 1380 StarTech.com This email from StarTech.com, including any attachments, may contain confidential and/or privileged information for the intended recipient(s) only and the sender does not waive any related legal rights or privilege. Any use or disclosure of the information by an unintended recipient is unauthorized and prohibited. If you have received an email message in error, please delete the entire message, including attachments if any, and inform us by return email. -Original Message- From: 05big...@gmail.com <05big...@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2022 9:12 PM To: Chris Brown ; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: [PSES] Retrofit kits Hi Chris, Thanks for the feedback. I am asking if a retrofit kit can/should be evaluated/certified to 62368. And for a twist, the product it goes into may not have NRTL approval when it leaves the factory and will need to be field evaluated after the kit is installed. Cheers, Gary -Original Message- From: Chris Brown Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2022 10:24 AM To: 05big...@gmail.com; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: [PSES] Retrofit kits Hello Gary, Can you please clarify your first question? Are you asking if the retrofit kits should be evaluated/certified to 62368, or, if a product that has been evaluated/certified to 62368 can incorporate a retrofit kit? For your second question, most will suggest that a qualified/trained person should conduct the retrofit kit installation; however, it is likely that the AHJ (Authority Having Jurisdiction) will require an inspection of the equipment once the work is completed. Usually, this can be accomplished via 'Special Inspection' with an accredited body (UL, CSA, etc...) Chris Chris Brown Team Lead Compliance t 519-455-9675 - Ext 1380 t 800-265-1844 - Ext 1380 StarTech.com This email from StarTech.com, including any attachments, may contain confidential and/or privileged information for the intended recipient(s) only and the sender does not waive any related legal rights or privilege. Any use or disclosure of the information by an unintended recipient is unauthorized and prohibited. If you have received an email message in error, please delete the entire message, including attachments if any, and inform us by return email. -Original Message- From: Gary Tornquist <05big...@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2022 11:53 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Retrofit kits Hello Experts, I am trying to understand the requirements around UL Listed retrofit kits intended for installation in the field. The only ones I am aware of are for upgrading light fixtures from older technologies to LED's. There are several flavors such as Self-ballasted LED Type Lamp category (OOLV) and Sign Conversions, Retrofit (UYWU). Can retrofit kits be listed for IT products examined to UL62368? Does it help if the installation is only done by trained personnel? Any advice is appreciated. Cheers, Gary Tornquist Product Safety Consulting - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ieee-pses.org%2Femc-pstc.htmldata=05%7C01%7CChris.Brown%40startech.com%7Cadfffd4bfc7b426d426108da436bb4a0%7C0bf3d7afc3864a2b87b016e76addfb23%7C0%7C0%7C637896427116783006%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=CiSYG13Th3e6%2FLiugVPyBkmEiYddCSFlgaeiIEYOGgY%3Dreserved=0 Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fproduct-compliance.oc.ieee.org%2Fdata=05%7C01%7CChris.Brown%40startech.com%7Cadfffd4bfc7b426d426108da436bb4a0%7C0bf3d7afc3864a2b87b016e76addfb23%7C0%7C0%7C637896427116783006%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=nhtCH7%2FDpB6URh9KZSmUV31PerR8MtRiHeQoNTuemUw%3Dreserved=0 can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ieee-pses.org%2Fdata=05%7C01%7CChris.Brown%40startech.com%7Cadfffd4bfc7b426d426108da436bb4a0%7C0bf3d7afc3864a2b87b016e76addfb23%7C0%7C0%7C637896427116783006%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C
Re: [PSES] Retrofit kits
Hi Chris, Thanks for the feedback. I am asking if a retrofit kit can/should be evaluated/certified to 62368. And for a twist, the product it goes into may not have NRTL approval when it leaves the factory and will need to be field evaluated after the kit is installed. Cheers, Gary -Original Message- From: Chris Brown Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2022 10:24 AM To: 05big...@gmail.com; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: [PSES] Retrofit kits Hello Gary, Can you please clarify your first question? Are you asking if the retrofit kits should be evaluated/certified to 62368, or, if a product that has been evaluated/certified to 62368 can incorporate a retrofit kit? For your second question, most will suggest that a qualified/trained person should conduct the retrofit kit installation; however, it is likely that the AHJ (Authority Having Jurisdiction) will require an inspection of the equipment once the work is completed. Usually, this can be accomplished via 'Special Inspection' with an accredited body (UL, CSA, etc...) Chris Chris Brown Team Lead Compliance t 519-455-9675 - Ext 1380 t 800-265-1844 - Ext 1380 StarTech.com This email from StarTech.com, including any attachments, may contain confidential and/or privileged information for the intended recipient(s) only and the sender does not waive any related legal rights or privilege. Any use or disclosure of the information by an unintended recipient is unauthorized and prohibited. If you have received an email message in error, please delete the entire message, including attachments if any, and inform us by return email. -Original Message- From: Gary Tornquist <05big...@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2022 11:53 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Retrofit kits Hello Experts, I am trying to understand the requirements around UL Listed retrofit kits intended for installation in the field. The only ones I am aware of are for upgrading light fixtures from older technologies to LED's. There are several flavors such as Self-ballasted LED Type Lamp category (OOLV) and Sign Conversions, Retrofit (UYWU). Can retrofit kits be listed for IT products examined to UL62368? Does it help if the installation is only done by trained personnel? Any advice is appreciated. Cheers, Gary Tornquist Product Safety Consulting - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ieee-pses.org%2Femc-pstc.htmldata=05%7C01%7CChris.Brown%40startech.com%7C4eb8f8b7544a41b3a2db08da3a144fe4%7C0bf3d7afc3864a2b87b016e76addfb23%7C0%7C0%7C637886156319034792%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=%2B3HkfWFEcsdjqcZBNFKk5TxVbJxuHmHZ5ipQc38ycEE%3Dreserved=0 Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fproduct-compliance.oc.ieee.org%2Fdata=05%7C01%7CChris.Brown%40startech.com%7C4eb8f8b7544a41b3a2db08da3a144fe4%7C0bf3d7afc3864a2b87b016e76addfb23%7C0%7C0%7C637886156319034792%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=vAQ%2F5uJouF75rovteCn7NspMZC7j2bXZ3bH7A7UC4WM%3Dreserved=0 can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ieee-pses.org%2Fdata=05%7C01%7CChris.Brown%40startech.com%7C4eb8f8b7544a41b3a2db08da3a144fe4%7C0bf3d7afc3864a2b87b016e76addfb23%7C0%7C0%7C637886156319034792%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=gZVWzCCeV%2BkrIB9DhATcq7njvK41mlr8UVsXUieNbfU%3Dreserved=0 Instructions: https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ieee-pses.org%2Flist.htmldata=05%7C01%7CChris.Brown%40startech.com%7C4eb8f8b7544a41b3a2db08da3a144fe4%7C0bf3d7afc3864a2b87b016e76addfb23%7C0%7C0%7C637886156319034792%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=ZuTPmcJ7P1GrflVagGI7N8PrR71yfOgnMTYMb4uFECQ%3Dreserved=0 (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ieee-pses.org%2Flistrules.htmldata=05%7C01%7CChris.Brown%40startech.com%7C4eb8f8b7544a41b3a2db08da3a144fe4%7C0bf3d7afc3864a2b87b016e76addfb23%7C0%7C0%7C637886156319034792%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=YFkno6s1cNgNYvZCEiNKyDBLJDZyI%2Fj5pZZagcmRfgw%3Dreserved=0 For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For
Re: [PSES] Retrofit kits
Hello Gary, Can you please clarify your first question? Are you asking if the retrofit kits should be evaluated/certified to 62368, or, if a product that has been evaluated/certified to 62368 can incorporate a retrofit kit? For your second question, most will suggest that a qualified/trained person should conduct the retrofit kit installation; however, it is likely that the AHJ (Authority Having Jurisdiction) will require an inspection of the equipment once the work is completed. Usually, this can be accomplished via 'Special Inspection' with an accredited body (UL, CSA, etc...) Chris Chris Brown Team Lead Compliance t 519-455-9675 - Ext 1380 t 800-265-1844 - Ext 1380 StarTech.com This email from StarTech.com, including any attachments, may contain confidential and/or privileged information for the intended recipient(s) only and the sender does not waive any related legal rights or privilege. Any use or disclosure of the information by an unintended recipient is unauthorized and prohibited. If you have received an email message in error, please delete the entire message, including attachments if any, and inform us by return email. -Original Message- From: Gary Tornquist <05big...@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2022 11:53 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Retrofit kits Hello Experts, I am trying to understand the requirements around UL Listed retrofit kits intended for installation in the field. The only ones I am aware of are for upgrading light fixtures from older technologies to LED's. There are several flavors such as Self-ballasted LED Type Lamp category (OOLV) and Sign Conversions, Retrofit (UYWU). Can retrofit kits be listed for IT products examined to UL62368? Does it help if the installation is only done by trained personnel? Any advice is appreciated. Cheers, Gary Tornquist Product Safety Consulting - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ieee-pses.org%2Femc-pstc.htmldata=05%7C01%7CChris.Brown%40startech.com%7C4eb8f8b7544a41b3a2db08da3a144fe4%7C0bf3d7afc3864a2b87b016e76addfb23%7C0%7C0%7C637886156319034792%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=%2B3HkfWFEcsdjqcZBNFKk5TxVbJxuHmHZ5ipQc38ycEE%3Dreserved=0 Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fproduct-compliance.oc.ieee.org%2Fdata=05%7C01%7CChris.Brown%40startech.com%7C4eb8f8b7544a41b3a2db08da3a144fe4%7C0bf3d7afc3864a2b87b016e76addfb23%7C0%7C0%7C637886156319034792%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=vAQ%2F5uJouF75rovteCn7NspMZC7j2bXZ3bH7A7UC4WM%3Dreserved=0 can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ieee-pses.org%2Fdata=05%7C01%7CChris.Brown%40startech.com%7C4eb8f8b7544a41b3a2db08da3a144fe4%7C0bf3d7afc3864a2b87b016e76addfb23%7C0%7C0%7C637886156319034792%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=gZVWzCCeV%2BkrIB9DhATcq7njvK41mlr8UVsXUieNbfU%3Dreserved=0 Instructions: https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ieee-pses.org%2Flist.htmldata=05%7C01%7CChris.Brown%40startech.com%7C4eb8f8b7544a41b3a2db08da3a144fe4%7C0bf3d7afc3864a2b87b016e76addfb23%7C0%7C0%7C637886156319034792%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=ZuTPmcJ7P1GrflVagGI7N8PrR71yfOgnMTYMb4uFECQ%3Dreserved=0 (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ieee-pses.org%2Flistrules.htmldata=05%7C01%7CChris.Brown%40startech.com%7C4eb8f8b7544a41b3a2db08da3a144fe4%7C0bf3d7afc3864a2b87b016e76addfb23%7C0%7C0%7C637886156319034792%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=YFkno6s1cNgNYvZCEiNKyDBLJDZyI%2Fj5pZZagcmRfgw%3Dreserved=0 For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald: - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://p
[PSES] Retrofit kits
Hello Experts, I am trying to understand the requirements around UL Listed retrofit kits intended for installation in the field. The only ones I am aware of are for upgrading light fixtures from older technologies to LED's. There are several flavors such as Self-ballasted LED Type Lamp category (OOLV) and Sign Conversions, Retrofit (UYWU). Can retrofit kits be listed for IT products examined to UL62368? Does it help if the installation is only done by trained personnel? Any advice is appreciated. Cheers, Gary Tornquist Product Safety Consulting - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
