RE: Administrative message: allegations of non-compliance
Hi Rich, As you said we do not want to continue this thread but as a final word I feel I must state that I totally agree with your email. Thanks for all your efforts to date, I am sure they are well appreciated by the forum. Kind Regards Alex McNeil Principal Engineer Tel: +44 (0)131 479 8375 Fax: +44 (0)131 479 8321 email: alex.mcn...@ingenicofortronic.com -Original Message- From: Rich Nute [mailto:ri...@sdd.hp.com] Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 4:40 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Cc: jim.bac...@paxar.com; davehe...@attbi.com; emc-p...@hypercom.com Subject:Administrative message: allegations of non-compliance The recent string with the subject "OK, what's going on?" alleges that a named manufacturer's product does not comply with a requirement. We feel that, in the case of a negative or derogatory comment or allegation (in this case non-compliance), the manufacturer (or individual) should NOT be named. We take this from the good manners adage, "If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all." Similarly, we feel that our subscribers should not publicly announce (read threaten) in this forum that they intend to "turn in" non-compliance to regulatory authorities. Rather, we suggest that any alleged non-compliance matters should first be brought to the attention of the manufacturer -- privately. We're all friends in this group. We help each other with various technical problems. Non-compliance is a technical problem for which there are several solutions, fix the product, fix the standard, or fix the measurement. In arriving at a solution, please don't denigrate a colleague or a manufacturer (or anyone else, for that matter!). If you want to discuss this matter further, please do so off-line. Best regards, Richard Nute Co-administrator, IEEE emc-pstc listserver. This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: Administrative message: allegations of non-compliance
In a message dated 4/1/2003 3:05:32 AM Central Standard Time, alex.mcn...@ingenicofortronic.com writes: As you said we do not want to continue this thread but as a final word I feel I must state that I totally agree with your email. So the problem continues to be unresolved? I do not agree about the "naming names" policy, but will honor it since the list rules require it. Derek.
Administrative message: allegations of non-compliance
The recent string with the subject "OK, what's going on?" alleges that a named manufacturer's product does not comply with a requirement. We feel that, in the case of a negative or derogatory comment or allegation (in this case non-compliance), the manufacturer (or individual) should NOT be named. We take this from the good manners adage, "If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all." Similarly, we feel that our subscribers should not publicly announce (read threaten) in this forum that they intend to "turn in" non-compliance to regulatory authorities. Rather, we suggest that any alleged non-compliance matters should first be brought to the attention of the manufacturer -- privately. We're all friends in this group. We help each other with various technical problems. Non-compliance is a technical problem for which there are several solutions, fix the product, fix the standard, or fix the measurement. In arriving at a solution, please don't denigrate a colleague or a manufacturer (or anyone else, for that matter!). If you want to discuss this matter further, please do so off-line. Best regards, Richard Nute Co-administrator, IEEE emc-pstc listserver. This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Administrative message: allegations of non-compliance
I read in !emc-pstc that Rich Nute wrote (in <200303281640.iaa07...@epgc264.sdd.hp.com>) about 'Administrative message: allegations of non-compliance' on Fri, 28 Mar 2003: >The recent string with the subject "OK, what's going on?" >alleges that a named manufacturer's product does not >comply with a requirement. Was there a name? I didn't see one. If there was, it certainly raises serious legal issues in UK. It's called 'defamation of goods'. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Interested in professional sound reinforcement and distribution? Then go to http://www.isce.org.uk PLEASE do NOT copy news posts to me by E-MAIL! This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
