Re: CDMA Product Approvals

2003-08-18 Thread John Woodgate

I read in !emc-pstc that garymcintu...@aol.com wrote (in <37.3cd8d6ac.2
c725...@aol.com>) about 'CDMA Product Approvals' on Mon, 18 Aug 2003:
> So I'm curious what was CDMA originally designed for? Anybody 
>know.

I suspect you will find an original paper back 50 years ago, or even
more. The theory in this area was far in advance of the hardware capable
of implementing it. Some of the information may still be classified.
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Re: CDMA Product Approvals

2003-08-18 Thread hansm
The IS-95 implementation of CDMA was designed to improve call handling density
by a factor of 10 or so over AMPS. I am not aware of any older versions of
CDMA. D-AMPS (IS-54) was a TDMA variant. The Qualcomm CDMA performance testing
were performend sometime in 1988/1989. So, it seems that the ethernet version
predates the cellular version, but I could be wrong!
 
Hans Mellberg 
Engineering Manager
BACL
230 Commercial Street
Sunnyvale CA 94085 USA
408-732-9162 x38
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- Original Message - 
From: garymcintu...@aol.com 
To: michael.sundst...@nokia.com ; lothar.schm...@cetecomusa.com ;
cblac...@airspan.com ; alex.mcn...@ingenicofortronic.com ;
emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: CDMA Product Approvals

   So now I'm curious, which came first Ethernet or cell phone. CDMA is
also used on Ethernet. At least the original simplex versions - triple
shielded coax, then cheaper net - essentially phone cables. It wasn't needed
with full duplex PTP transmission, which some might argue isn't true Ethernet.
   I remember seeing those old brick sized cell (mobile?) phones but
thought they were slightly behind LAN's and the precursor to the Internet
ARPANET (probably have wildly misspelled that) seems to have been around much
longer than that.
   So I'm curious what was CDMA originally designed for? Anybody know.
   Gary 




RE: CDMA Product Approvals

2003-08-18 Thread Price, Ed
 


From: garymcintu...@aol.com [mailto:garymcintu...@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 8:56 AM
To: michael.sundst...@nokia.com; lothar.schm...@cetecomusa.com;
cblac...@airspan.com; alex.mcn...@ingenicofortronic.com;
emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: Re: CDMA Product Approvals


   So now I'm curious, which came first Ethernet or cell phone. CDMA is
also used on Ethernet. At least the original simplex versions - triple
shielded coax, then cheaper net - essentially phone cables. It wasn't needed
with full duplex PTP transmission, which some might argue isn't true Ethernet.
   I remember seeing those old brick sized cell (mobile?) phones but
thought they were slightly behind LAN's and the precursor to the Internet
ARPANET (probably have wildly misspelled that) seems to have been around much
longer than that.
   So I'm curious what was CDMA originally designed for? Anybody know.
   Gary  
 

 
Gary:
 
 
I seem to recall Titan / Linkabit using CDMA for military data links around
1978.
 
And did you ever lug around one of those Motorola FM handy-talkies from back
in the early 60's? IIRC, they operated around 50 MHz, and must have weighed 20
pounds.
 
 
Regards,
 
Ed
 

Ed Price 
ed.pr...@cubic.com WB6WSN 
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Electromagnetic Compatibility Lab 
Cubic Defense Systems 
San Diego, CA  USA 
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Re: CDMA Product Approvals

2003-08-18 Thread garymcintu...@aol.com
   So now I'm curious, which came first Ethernet or cell phone. CDMA is
also used on Ethernet. At least the original simplex versions - triple
shielded coax, then cheaper net - essentially phone cables. It wasn't needed
with full duplex PTP transmission, which some might argue isn't true Ethernet.
   I remember seeing those old brick sized cell (mobile?) phones but
thought they were slightly behind LAN's and the precursor to the Internet
ARPANET (probably have wildly misspelled that) seems to have been around much
longer than that.
   So I'm curious what was CDMA originally designed for? Anybody know.
   Gary



RE: CDMA Product Approvals

2003-08-15 Thread Lothar Schmidt

Hans 

Thanks for the clarification, I was focusing on western Europe, but you are
right in the eastern part it's different. 

Lothar Schmidt
BQB & Technical Manager 
EMC/Radio/SAR

CETECOM Inc.
411 Dixon Landing Road 
Milpitas, CA 95035

' +1 408 586 6214
7 +1 408 586 6299






From: hansm [mailto:hans.mellb...@baclcorp.com]
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 9:50 AM
To: Charles Blackham; Lothar Schmidt; Alex McNeil;
emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: Re: CDMA Product Approvals


CDMA 2G and 3G (or also known as CDMA-2000) are both deployed in Europe (but
it depends what boundaries you include. Mostly are in eastern Europe). See
following link of the CDMA development Group, CDG

http://www.cdg.org/worldwide/index.asp

Hans Mellberg
Engineering Manager
BACL
230 Commercial Street
Sunnyvale CA 94085 USA
408-732-9162 x38
408-732-9164 fax



- Original Message - 
From: "Charles Blackham" 
To: "Lothar Schmidt" ; "Alex McNeil"
; 
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 8:09 AM
Subject: RE: CDMA Product Approvals


>
> CDMA is used in Europe for some Fixed radio application
>
> regards
> Charlie
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Lothar Schmidt [mailto:lothar.schm...@cetecomusa.com]
> Sent: 15 August 2003 15:33
> To: Charles Blackham; Alex McNeil; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
> Subject: RE: CDMA Product Approvals
>
>
> CDMA is a cellular phone technology, which is not used in Europe GSM is
the
> used technology in this region.
>
> FCC requirements depending on the used frequency band FCC part 22 and 24
>
> Lothar Schmidt
> BQB & Technical Manager
> EMC/Radio/SAR
>
> CETECOM Inc.
> 411 Dixon Landing Road
> Milpitas, CA 95035
>
> ' +1 408 586 6214
> 7 +1 408 586 6299
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Charles Blackham [mailto:cblac...@airspan.com]
> Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 5:33 AM
> To: Alex McNeil; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
> Subject: RE: CDMA Product Approvals
>
>
>
> Alex
>
> Assuming the product is fixed, have a look at
>
> EN 301 753 for RF, and EN 301 489 family for EMC in Europe, available from
> www.etsi.org.
>
> FCC parts 2, 15 and 24.
>
> regards
> Charlie Blackham
> Approvals Manager
> Airspan Communications Ltd.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Alex McNeil [mailto:alex.mcn...@ingenicofortronic.com]
> Sent: 15 August 2003 09:56
> To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
> Subject: CDMA Product Approvals
>
>
>
>
> Hi Group,
> This is a technology I know nothing about (never heard off!) until my
> marketing friends emailed me the approvals question!
>
> What are the approval requirements for a product that employs a wireless
> CDMA module. I think I may be asking too much for worldwide standards
> (although it would be very much appreciated), Europe? N.America?
>
> I have also heard I need EIRP measurements?
>
> Thanks in advance for your expert help.
>
>
> Kind Regards
> Alex McNeil
>
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RE: CDMA Product Approvals

2003-08-15 Thread michael.sundst...@nokia.com

Also 47CFR2 is required I think?

Michael Sundstrom
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From: ext Lothar Schmidt [mailto:lothar.schm...@cetecomusa.com]
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 9:33 AM
To: 'Charles Blackham'; Alex McNeil; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: CDMA Product Approvals



CDMA is a cellular phone technology, which is not used in Europe GSM is the
used technology in this region.

FCC requirements depending on the used frequency band FCC part 22 and 24

Lothar Schmidt
BQB & Technical Manager 
EMC/Radio/SAR

CETECOM Inc.
411 Dixon Landing Road 
Milpitas, CA 95035

' +1 408 586 6214
7 +1 408 586 6299






From: Charles Blackham [mailto:cblac...@airspan.com]
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 5:33 AM
To: Alex McNeil; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: CDMA Product Approvals



Alex

Assuming the product is fixed, have a look at 

EN 301 753 for RF, and EN 301 489 family for EMC in Europe, available from
www.etsi.org.

FCC parts 2, 15 and 24.

regards
Charlie Blackham
Approvals Manager
Airspan Communications Ltd.


From: Alex McNeil [mailto:alex.mcn...@ingenicofortronic.com]
Sent: 15 August 2003 09:56
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: CDMA Product Approvals




Hi Group,
This is a technology I know nothing about (never heard off!) until my
marketing friends emailed me the approvals question!

What are the approval requirements for a product that employs a wireless
CDMA module. I think I may be asking too much for worldwide standards
(although it would be very much appreciated), Europe? N.America?

I have also heard I need EIRP measurements?

Thanks in advance for your expert help.


Kind Regards
Alex McNeil



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Re: CDMA Product Approvals

2003-08-15 Thread hansm

CDMA 2G and 3G (or also known as CDMA-2000) are both deployed in Europe (but
it depends what boundaries you include. Mostly are in eastern Europe). See
following link of the CDMA development Group, CDG

http://www.cdg.org/worldwide/index.asp

Hans Mellberg
Engineering Manager
BACL
230 Commercial Street
Sunnyvale CA 94085 USA
408-732-9162 x38
408-732-9164 fax



- Original Message - 
From: "Charles Blackham" 
To: "Lothar Schmidt" ; "Alex McNeil"
; 
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 8:09 AM
Subject: RE: CDMA Product Approvals


>
> CDMA is used in Europe for some Fixed radio application
>
> regards
> Charlie
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Lothar Schmidt [mailto:lothar.schm...@cetecomusa.com]
> Sent: 15 August 2003 15:33
> To: Charles Blackham; Alex McNeil; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
> Subject: RE: CDMA Product Approvals
>
>
> CDMA is a cellular phone technology, which is not used in Europe GSM is
the
> used technology in this region.
>
> FCC requirements depending on the used frequency band FCC part 22 and 24
>
> Lothar Schmidt
> BQB & Technical Manager
> EMC/Radio/SAR
>
> CETECOM Inc.
> 411 Dixon Landing Road
> Milpitas, CA 95035
>
> ' +1 408 586 6214
> 7 +1 408 586 6299
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Charles Blackham [mailto:cblac...@airspan.com]
> Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 5:33 AM
> To: Alex McNeil; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
> Subject: RE: CDMA Product Approvals
>
>
>
> Alex
>
> Assuming the product is fixed, have a look at
>
> EN 301 753 for RF, and EN 301 489 family for EMC in Europe, available from
> www.etsi.org.
>
> FCC parts 2, 15 and 24.
>
> regards
> Charlie Blackham
> Approvals Manager
> Airspan Communications Ltd.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Alex McNeil [mailto:alex.mcn...@ingenicofortronic.com]
> Sent: 15 August 2003 09:56
> To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
> Subject: CDMA Product Approvals
>
>
>
>
> Hi Group,
> This is a technology I know nothing about (never heard off!) until my
> marketing friends emailed me the approvals question!
>
> What are the approval requirements for a product that employs a wireless
> CDMA module. I think I may be asking too much for worldwide standards
> (although it would be very much appreciated), Europe? N.America?
>
> I have also heard I need EIRP measurements?
>
> Thanks in advance for your expert help.
>
>
> Kind Regards
> Alex McNeil
>
>
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RE: CDMA Product Approvals

2003-08-15 Thread Lothar Schmidt

But this is not what Alex is asking for. He is looking to implement a CDMA
module, which I understand enables a certain device to communicate via the
cellular phone service. 

Lothar Schmidt
BQB & Technical Manager 
EMC/Radio/SAR

CETECOM Inc.
411 Dixon Landing Road 
Milpitas, CA 95035

' +1 408 586 6214
7 +1 408 586 6299






From: Charles Blackham [mailto:cblac...@airspan.com]
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 8:10 AM
To: Lothar Schmidt; Alex McNeil; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: CDMA Product Approvals


CDMA is used in Europe for some Fixed radio application

regards
Charlie


From: Lothar Schmidt [mailto:lothar.schm...@cetecomusa.com]
Sent: 15 August 2003 15:33
To: Charles Blackham; Alex McNeil; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: CDMA Product Approvals


CDMA is a cellular phone technology, which is not used in Europe GSM is the
used technology in this region.

FCC requirements depending on the used frequency band FCC part 22 and 24

Lothar Schmidt
BQB & Technical Manager 
EMC/Radio/SAR

CETECOM Inc.
411 Dixon Landing Road 
Milpitas, CA 95035

' +1 408 586 6214
7 +1 408 586 6299






From: Charles Blackham [mailto:cblac...@airspan.com]
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 5:33 AM
To: Alex McNeil; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: CDMA Product Approvals



Alex

Assuming the product is fixed, have a look at 

EN 301 753 for RF, and EN 301 489 family for EMC in Europe, available from
www.etsi.org.

FCC parts 2, 15 and 24.

regards
Charlie Blackham
Approvals Manager
Airspan Communications Ltd.


From: Alex McNeil [mailto:alex.mcn...@ingenicofortronic.com]
Sent: 15 August 2003 09:56
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: CDMA Product Approvals




Hi Group,
This is a technology I know nothing about (never heard off!) until my
marketing friends emailed me the approvals question!

What are the approval requirements for a product that employs a wireless
CDMA module. I think I may be asking too much for worldwide standards
(although it would be very much appreciated), Europe? N.America?

I have also heard I need EIRP measurements?

Thanks in advance for your expert help.


Kind Regards
Alex McNeil



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RE: CDMA Product Approvals

2003-08-15 Thread Charles Blackham

CDMA is used in Europe for some Fixed radio application

regards
Charlie


From: Lothar Schmidt [mailto:lothar.schm...@cetecomusa.com]
Sent: 15 August 2003 15:33
To: Charles Blackham; Alex McNeil; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: CDMA Product Approvals


CDMA is a cellular phone technology, which is not used in Europe GSM is the
used technology in this region.

FCC requirements depending on the used frequency band FCC part 22 and 24

Lothar Schmidt
BQB & Technical Manager 
EMC/Radio/SAR

CETECOM Inc.
411 Dixon Landing Road 
Milpitas, CA 95035

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From: Charles Blackham [mailto:cblac...@airspan.com]
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 5:33 AM
To: Alex McNeil; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: CDMA Product Approvals



Alex

Assuming the product is fixed, have a look at 

EN 301 753 for RF, and EN 301 489 family for EMC in Europe, available from
www.etsi.org.

FCC parts 2, 15 and 24.

regards
Charlie Blackham
Approvals Manager
Airspan Communications Ltd.


From: Alex McNeil [mailto:alex.mcn...@ingenicofortronic.com]
Sent: 15 August 2003 09:56
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: CDMA Product Approvals




Hi Group,
This is a technology I know nothing about (never heard off!) until my
marketing friends emailed me the approvals question!

What are the approval requirements for a product that employs a wireless
CDMA module. I think I may be asking too much for worldwide standards
(although it would be very much appreciated), Europe? N.America?

I have also heard I need EIRP measurements?

Thanks in advance for your expert help.


Kind Regards
Alex McNeil



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RE: CDMA Product Approvals

2003-08-15 Thread Lothar Schmidt

CDMA is a cellular phone technology, which is not used in Europe GSM is the
used technology in this region.

FCC requirements depending on the used frequency band FCC part 22 and 24

Lothar Schmidt
BQB & Technical Manager 
EMC/Radio/SAR

CETECOM Inc.
411 Dixon Landing Road 
Milpitas, CA 95035

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From: Charles Blackham [mailto:cblac...@airspan.com]
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 5:33 AM
To: Alex McNeil; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: CDMA Product Approvals



Alex

Assuming the product is fixed, have a look at 

EN 301 753 for RF, and EN 301 489 family for EMC in Europe, available from
www.etsi.org.

FCC parts 2, 15 and 24.

regards
Charlie Blackham
Approvals Manager
Airspan Communications Ltd.


From: Alex McNeil [mailto:alex.mcn...@ingenicofortronic.com]
Sent: 15 August 2003 09:56
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: CDMA Product Approvals




Hi Group,
This is a technology I know nothing about (never heard off!) until my
marketing friends emailed me the approvals question!

What are the approval requirements for a product that employs a wireless
CDMA module. I think I may be asking too much for worldwide standards
(although it would be very much appreciated), Europe? N.America?

I have also heard I need EIRP measurements?

Thanks in advance for your expert help.


Kind Regards
Alex McNeil



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RE: CDMA Product Approvals

2003-08-15 Thread Charles Blackham

Alex

Assuming the product is fixed, have a look at 

EN 301 753 for RF, and EN 301 489 family for EMC in Europe, available from
www.etsi.org.

FCC parts 2, 15 and 24.

regards
Charlie Blackham
Approvals Manager
Airspan Communications Ltd.


From: Alex McNeil [mailto:alex.mcn...@ingenicofortronic.com]
Sent: 15 August 2003 09:56
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: CDMA Product Approvals




Hi Group,
This is a technology I know nothing about (never heard off!) until my
marketing friends emailed me the approvals question!

What are the approval requirements for a product that employs a wireless
CDMA module. I think I may be asking too much for worldwide standards
(although it would be very much appreciated), Europe? N.America?

I have also heard I need EIRP measurements?

Thanks in advance for your expert help.


Kind Regards
Alex McNeil



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CDMA Product Approvals

2003-08-15 Thread Alex McNeil


Hi Group,
This is a technology I know nothing about (never heard off!) until my
marketing friends emailed me the approvals question!

What are the approval requirements for a product that employs a wireless
CDMA module. I think I may be asking too much for worldwide standards
(although it would be very much appreciated), Europe? N.America?

I have also heard I need EIRP measurements?

Thanks in advance for your expert help.


Kind Regards
Alex McNeil



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SV: CDMA Product Approvals

2003-08-15 Thread Helge Knudsen

Hello Alex,
For Europe you may check for the appropriate standards for approval on
http://europa.eu.int/comm/enterprise/newapproach/standardization/harmstds/re
flist/radiotte.html

Check:
*
EN 50385:2002
Product standard to demonstrate the compliance of radio base stations and
fixed terminal stations for wireless telecommunication systems with the
basic restrictions or the reference levels related to human exposure to
radio frequency electromagnetic fields (110 MHz - 40 GHz) - General public 
*
To see if you need EIRP measurements, EN 50385 is on the list above.

Best regards

Helge Knudsen
Test & Approval manager
Niros Telecommunication
Hirsemarken 5
DK-3520 Farum
Denmark
Tel +45 44 34 22 51
Fax +45 44 99 28 08
email h.knud...@niros.com




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Hi Group,
This is a technology I know nothing about (never heard off!) until my
marketing friends emailed me the approvals question!

What are the approval requirements for a product that employs a wireless
CDMA module. I think I may be asking too much for worldwide standards
(although it would be very much appreciated), Europe? N.America?

I have also heard I need EIRP measurements?

Thanks in advance for your expert help.


Kind Regards
Alex McNeil



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