Re: [PSES] EMC Measurement Software
James - In my travels (various labs etc..) the most popular software is the one the lab writes and customizes itself. Instead of writing the program - you can spend hours customizing a "one fits all" type and running into weird issues anyways - I know - been there done that. Point take about the boss you work for ! Thanks Charles Grasso (w) 303-706-5467 From: James Pawson (U3C) [mailto:ja...@unit3compliance.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 1:56 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EMC Measurement Software This message originated outside of DISH and was sent by: owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org<mailto:owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org> Hello all, Thanks for all the great responses, they've certainly helped clarify my thoughts. I already have several test apps written in VB to control things like turntable / antenna mast, spectrum analyser, radiated RF immunity and results extraction from existing data files. All the building blocks required to write a system and it can be customised easily. However I have to balance this with my time, as a sole business owner I have to consider where my time is best spent and trying to balance all aspects of the business. My boss is a hard task master ;-) Perhaps the investment in this software will be worthwhile in the long run. Once again, many thanks! James From: James Pawson (U3C) [mailto:ja...@unit3compliance.co.uk] Sent: 01 August 2017 13:41 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: [PSES] EMC Measurement Software Hello group, I'm investigating upgrades to my existing EMC measurement software (R ESXS-K1) and have found the following options: * R Elektra (new) / ES-Scan / EMC32 * Dare RadiMation * Toyo EMC measurement software * ETS Lindgren TILE! * Nexio BAT-EMC * NI LabView and develop own routines * Write own from scratch (VB / C#) Are there any others worth considering? What "gotchas" or issues am I likely to run into? It needs to drive a R ESHS 10 (conducted) and a ESVS 10 (radiated). Bonus points for support for R FSP 30 and custom turntable control. Many thanks in advance! James James Pawson Unit 3 Compliance [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-green-avg-v1.png]<http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient> Virus-free. www.avg.com<http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient> - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org<mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org>> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)<http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html> List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <sdoug...@ieee.org<mailto:sdoug...@ieee.org>> Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org<mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org>> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher <j.bac...@ieee.org<mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org>> David Heald <dhe...@gmail.com<mailto:dhe...@gmail.com>> - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org<mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org>> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)<http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html> List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <sdoug...@ieee.org<mailto:sdoug...@ieee.org>> Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org<mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org>> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher <j.bac...@ieee.org<mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org>> David Heald <dhe...@gmail.com<mailto:dhe...@gmail.com>> - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discuss
Re: [PSES] EMC Measurement Software
Hello all, Thanks for all the great responses, they've certainly helped clarify my thoughts. I already have several test apps written in VB to control things like turntable / antenna mast, spectrum analyser, radiated RF immunity and results extraction from existing data files. All the building blocks required to write a system and it can be customised easily. However I have to balance this with my time, as a sole business owner I have to consider where my time is best spent and trying to balance all aspects of the business. My boss is a hard task master ;-) Perhaps the investment in this software will be worthwhile in the long run. Once again, many thanks! James From: James Pawson (U3C) [mailto:ja...@unit3compliance.co.uk] Sent: 01 August 2017 13:41 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] EMC Measurement Software Hello group, I'm investigating upgrades to my existing EMC measurement software (R ESXS-K1) and have found the following options: * R Elektra (new) / ES-Scan / EMC32 * Dare RadiMation * Toyo EMC measurement software * ETS Lindgren TILE! * Nexio BAT-EMC * NI LabView and develop own routines * Write own from scratch (VB / C#) Are there any others worth considering? What "gotchas" or issues am I likely to run into? It needs to drive a R ESHS 10 (conducted) and a ESVS 10 (radiated). Bonus points for support for R FSP 30 and custom turntable control. Many thanks in advance! James James Pawson Unit 3 Compliance <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email_source=link_cam paign=sig-email_content=emailclient> Virus-free. <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email_source=link_cam paign=sig-email_content=emailclient> www.avg.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org <mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org> > All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) <http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html> List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <sdoug...@ieee.org <mailto:sdoug...@ieee.org> > Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org <mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org> > For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher <j.bac...@ieee.org <mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org> > David Heald <dhe...@gmail.com <mailto:dhe...@gmail.com> > --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <sdoug...@ieee.org> Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: <j.bac...@ieee.org> David Heald: <dhe...@gmail.com>
Re: [PSES] EMC Measurement Software
Is the Teseq software still around? I had quite an extensive library of routines built up using their software years ago. __ Dan Roman, N.C.E. Senior Member IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society <mailto:dan.ro...@ieee.org> mailto:dan.ro...@ieee.org From: James Pawson (U3C) [mailto:ja...@unit3compliance.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2017 8:41 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] EMC Measurement Software Hello group, I'm investigating upgrades to my existing EMC measurement software (R ESXS-K1) and have found the following options: * R Elektra (new) / ES-Scan / EMC32 * Dare RadiMation * Toyo EMC measurement software * ETS Lindgren TILE! * Nexio BAT-EMC * NI LabView and develop own routines * Write own from scratch (VB / C#) Are there any others worth considering? What "gotchas" or issues am I likely to run into? It needs to drive a R ESHS 10 (conducted) and a ESVS 10 (radiated). Bonus points for support for R FSP 30 and custom turntable control. Many thanks in advance! James James Pawson Unit 3 Compliance - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <sdoug...@ieee.org> Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: <j.bac...@ieee.org> David Heald: <dhe...@gmail.com>
Re: [PSES] EMC Measurement Software
In a past life I used EMCWare from AR Amps, it was very new back then but it's free and has a bunch of drivers bundled with it. Did I mention it's Free EMC Software? Rich > On Aug 1, 2017, at 2:40 PM, Paasche, Dieter > <dieter.paas...@christiedigital.com> wrote: > > Hi > > I am using TILE for radiated emissions. I use it for Conducted emissions as a > back-up. Personally, I think there is no software that can do an accurate > radiated emissions test. I do a pre-scan automatically and then the final > scan manually. Tile allows you that flexibility although it is not perfect. > > If you want some special personal features it is very good. It is similar to > Labview but easier to program. You would still have to do something, but you > do not need to be a software programmer expert. Not all functions are > available so you need to add some commands. I personally like that, but not > everybody does. > > The lab we have is mostly for prescan and troubleshooting, so it needs to be > flexible. I work with different engineers and frequently look for different > things, so TILE allows me that flexibility and still gets me good graphs and > tables. > > Disadvantage: Every run will save all your settings. That means your files > are big. You can gave all information into one file, but then your file would > be even bigger. I personally have one file per limit. These files are > smaller, but then it makes it time consuming when you have to update > correction factors for example. > You pay an annual fee for maintenance. Not sure about the other software. > However the support is good. > > Back in my old times I used Toyo software. (used to work for Sony) I like it, > but was not that flexible, Means it is good for users or for certified labs. > I was very good for all the special audio and video immunity tests. > > I also have the experience of somebody writing a software with Labview. It > was very time consuming and costly The software was very very good. It can do > a very accurate radiated emissions, although it would take at least 4 hours > for one run. So if you have time and you want something automatically that > one would work. However the company that hired the programmer paid a very > high price and it took at least a year until it was running as everybody > wanted. > So, if Labview is difficult, I can imagine that starting from scratch is even > more difficult. > > R, I have seen the EMC32. Personally I have not used it but looks to me > good enough. The people I have seen using it, seem to like it. > > I don’t know the rest. > > I guess deciding what software you want to use depends on how much > flexibility you want to spend in testing. (how much for prescan, how much for > final scan, how much time you have for the software to give you an accurate > results. etc.) Radiated emissions is especially difficult if you have jumping > signals. To get accurate test results you would have to run the turntable and > antenna mast ery slowly and have several iterations done before you really > find the worst case condition. So I personally ended up doing the final scan > manually which was faster for the time I had available per unit. > > Sincerely, > > Dieter Paasche > Senior Product Developer, Electrical > CHRISTIE > 809 Wellington Street North > Kitchener, ON N2G 4Y7 > Phone: 519-744-8005 ext.7211 > www.christiedigital.com > > This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is confidential. Any > unauthorized use, distribution or disclosure is prohibited. If you have > received this e-mail message in error, please notify the sender by reply > e-mail or telephone and delete it and any attachments from your computer > system and records. > > From: James Pawson (U3C) [mailto:ja...@unit3compliance.co.uk] > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2017 8:41 AM > To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > Subject: [PSES] EMC Measurement Software > > Hello group, > > I’m investigating upgrades to my existing EMC measurement software (R > ESXS-K1) and have found the following options: > > R Elektra (new) / ES-Scan / EMC32 > Dare RadiMation > Toyo EMC measurement software > ETS Lindgren TILE! > Nexio BAT-EMC > NI LabView and develop own routines > Write own from scratch (VB / C#) > > Are there any others worth considering? What “gotchas” or issues am I likely > to run into? > > It needs to drive a R ESHS 10 (conducted) and a ESVS 10 (radiated). Bonus > points for support for R FSP 30 and custom turntable control. > > Many thanks in advance! > James > > > James Pawson > Unit 3 Compliance > > > > > Virus-free.
Re: [PSES] EMC Measurement Software
Take a look of this Vasona software: http://www.emisoft.co.uk/ From: "Knighten, Jim L" <jim.knigh...@teradata.com> Reply-To: "Knighten, Jim L" <jim.knigh...@teradata.com> Date: Tuesday, August 1, 2017 at 2:53 PM To: "EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG" <EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] EMC Measurement Software Our guys use EMC32 for radiated and conducted and like it. We control R Lisns and ESU without issue. Jim James L. Knighten, Ph.D. Teradata 17095 Via Del Campo San Diego, CA 92127 858-485-2537 From: James Pawson (U3C) [mailto:ja...@unit3compliance.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2017 5:41 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] EMC Measurement Software Hello group, I’m investigating upgrades to my existing EMC measurement software (R ESXS-K1) and have found the following options: * R Elektra (new) / ES-Scan / EMC32 * Dare RadiMation * Toyo EMC measurement software * ETS Lindgren TILE! * Nexio BAT-EMC * NI LabView and develop own routines * Write own from scratch (VB / C#) Are there any others worth considering? What “gotchas” or issues am I likely to run into? It needs to drive a R ESHS 10 (conducted) and a ESVS 10 (radiated). Bonus points for support for R FSP 30 and custom turntable control. Many thanks in advance! James James Pawson Unit 3 Compliance [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-green-avg-v1.png]<http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient> Virus-free. www.avg.com<http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient> - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org<mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org>> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)<http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html> List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <sdoug...@ieee.org<mailto:sdoug...@ieee.org>> Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org<mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org>> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher <j.bac...@ieee.org<mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org>> David Heald <dhe...@gmail.com<mailto:dhe...@gmail.com>> - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org<mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org>> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)<http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html> List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <sdoug...@ieee.org<mailto:sdoug...@ieee.org>> Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org<mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org>> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher <j.bac...@ieee.org<mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org>> David Heald <dhe...@gmail.com<mailto:dhe...@gmail.com>> - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <sdoug...@ieee.org> Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: <j.bac...@ieee.org> David Heald: <dhe...@gmail.com>
Re: [PSES] EMC Measurement Software
Our guys use EMC32 for radiated and conducted and like it. We control R Lisns and ESU without issue. Jim James L. Knighten, Ph.D. Teradata 17095 Via Del Campo San Diego, CA 92127 858-485-2537 From: James Pawson (U3C) [mailto:ja...@unit3compliance.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2017 5:41 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] EMC Measurement Software Hello group, I'm investigating upgrades to my existing EMC measurement software (R ESXS-K1) and have found the following options: * R Elektra (new) / ES-Scan / EMC32 * Dare RadiMation * Toyo EMC measurement software * ETS Lindgren TILE! * Nexio BAT-EMC * NI LabView and develop own routines * Write own from scratch (VB / C#) Are there any others worth considering? What "gotchas" or issues am I likely to run into? It needs to drive a R ESHS 10 (conducted) and a ESVS 10 (radiated). Bonus points for support for R FSP 30 and custom turntable control. Many thanks in advance! James James Pawson Unit 3 Compliance [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-green-avg-v1.png]<http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient> Virus-free. www.avg.com<http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient> - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org<mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org>> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)<http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html> List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <sdoug...@ieee.org<mailto:sdoug...@ieee.org>> Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org<mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org>> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher <j.bac...@ieee.org<mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org>> David Heald <dhe...@gmail.com<mailto:dhe...@gmail.com>> - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <sdoug...@ieee.org> Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: <j.bac...@ieee.org> David Heald: <dhe...@gmail.com>
Re: [PSES] EMC Measurement Software
Labview. Attractive for speed of initial development. Ugly for debugging and adding new features and 'reading' an old vi. Attractive for reliability when used with NI hardware and some of the more common 3d party instruments. Ugly where each version iteration of windoze and/or LV breaks your existing systems. Ignore the GUI - the analytic comparisons should NOT be graphical vs. textual; it should be dataflow vs. imperative. VB or C#. Attractive for the surprisingly effective and elegant IDE (Visual Studio). Ugly for programming languages that are a non-standard standard and being depending on the windoze platform. Would suggest C# over VB any day of the week. Attractive for a large body of proven code. Ugly for a problematic licensing scheme found in most C# technical libraries. Tile. Previously discussed in this venue. Attractive for being the most likely candidate as an industry standard. Ugly for being convoluted and butt-ugly ugly ugly. Other stuff. No significant experience or exposure. Suggestions. 1. DIY. Domain-specific development assumes you have a domain-specific expert that can code monkey; and if not available, hope your boss is very patient while you stumble around learning the tool-chain or learn EMC theory and standards. So no DIY unless you have The Person or an understanding (?) boss. If you are capable enough for a DIY solution, then you probably already know that many systems that actually work are typically done using stuff such as ISO C/C++ and Python. Abundance of code available for the common instruments. Write small single type-test programs to start and build your tower of babel from there. And use version control. And do not use windoze. 2. Canned Code. Do not just ask in this listserv. Go look at the stuff used in your local labs. Ask opinions and technical questions of the people that actually use this stuff. Look at licenses, version control, version compatibilities, platform dependencies, instrument libraries, and the vagaries per the Klingon Rite of Ascension. Brian From: James Pawson (U3C) [mailto:ja...@unit3compliance.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2017 5:41 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] EMC Measurement Software Hello group, I'm investigating upgrades to my existing EMC measurement software (R ESXS-K1) and have found the following options: * R Elektra (new) / ES-Scan / EMC32 * Dare RadiMation * Toyo EMC measurement software * ETS Lindgren TILE! * Nexio BAT-EMC * NI LabView and develop own routines * Write own from scratch (VB / C#) Are there any others worth considering? What "gotchas" or issues am I likely to run into? It needs to drive a R ESHS 10 (conducted) and a ESVS 10 (radiated). Bonus points for support for R FSP 30 and custom turntable control. Many thanks in advance! James James Pawson Unit 3 Compliance - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <sdoug...@ieee.org> Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: <j.bac...@ieee.org> David Heald: <dhe...@gmail.com>
Re: [PSES] EMC Measurement Software
Hi I am using TILE for radiated emissions. I use it for Conducted emissions as a back-up. Personally, I think there is no software that can do an accurate radiated emissions test. I do a pre-scan automatically and then the final scan manually. Tile allows you that flexibility although it is not perfect. If you want some special personal features it is very good. It is similar to Labview but easier to program. You would still have to do something, but you do not need to be a software programmer expert. Not all functions are available so you need to add some commands. I personally like that, but not everybody does. The lab we have is mostly for prescan and troubleshooting, so it needs to be flexible. I work with different engineers and frequently look for different things, so TILE allows me that flexibility and still gets me good graphs and tables. Disadvantage: Every run will save all your settings. That means your files are big. You can gave all information into one file, but then your file would be even bigger. I personally have one file per limit. These files are smaller, but then it makes it time consuming when you have to update correction factors for example. You pay an annual fee for maintenance. Not sure about the other software. However the support is good. Back in my old times I used Toyo software. (used to work for Sony) I like it, but was not that flexible, Means it is good for users or for certified labs. I was very good for all the special audio and video immunity tests. I also have the experience of somebody writing a software with Labview. It was very time consuming and costly The software was very very good. It can do a very accurate radiated emissions, although it would take at least 4 hours for one run. So if you have time and you want something automatically that one would work. However the company that hired the programmer paid a very high price and it took at least a year until it was running as everybody wanted. So, if Labview is difficult, I can imagine that starting from scratch is even more difficult. R, I have seen the EMC32. Personally I have not used it but looks to me good enough. The people I have seen using it, seem to like it. I don't know the rest. I guess deciding what software you want to use depends on how much flexibility you want to spend in testing. (how much for prescan, how much for final scan, how much time you have for the software to give you an accurate results. etc.) Radiated emissions is especially difficult if you have jumping signals. To get accurate test results you would have to run the turntable and antenna mast ery slowly and have several iterations done before you really find the worst case condition. So I personally ended up doing the final scan manually which was faster for the time I had available per unit. Sincerely, Dieter Paasche Senior Product Developer, Electrical CHRISTIE 809 Wellington Street North Kitchener, ON N2G 4Y7 Phone: 519-744-8005 ext.7211 www.christiedigital.com<http://www.christiedigital.com/> This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is confidential. Any unauthorized use, distribution or disclosure is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail message in error, please notify the sender by reply e-mail or telephone and delete it and any attachments from your computer system and records. From: James Pawson (U3C) [mailto:ja...@unit3compliance.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2017 8:41 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] EMC Measurement Software Hello group, I'm investigating upgrades to my existing EMC measurement software (R ESXS-K1) and have found the following options: * R Elektra (new) / ES-Scan / EMC32 * Dare RadiMation * Toyo EMC measurement software * ETS Lindgren TILE! * Nexio BAT-EMC * NI LabView and develop own routines * Write own from scratch (VB / C#) Are there any others worth considering? What "gotchas" or issues am I likely to run into? It needs to drive a R ESHS 10 (conducted) and a ESVS 10 (radiated). Bonus points for support for R FSP 30 and custom turntable control. Many thanks in advance! James James Pawson Unit 3 Compliance [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-green-avg-v1.png]<http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient> Virus-free. www.avg.com<http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient> - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org<mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org>> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES On
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Hello group, I'm investigating upgrades to my existing EMC measurement software (R ESXS-K1) and have found the following options: * R Elektra (new) / ES-Scan / EMC32 * Dare RadiMation * Toyo EMC measurement software * ETS Lindgren TILE! * Nexio BAT-EMC * NI LabView and develop own routines * Write own from scratch (VB / C#) Are there any others worth considering? What "gotchas" or issues am I likely to run into? It needs to drive a R ESHS 10 (conducted) and a ESVS 10 (radiated). Bonus points for support for R FSP 30 and custom turntable control. Many thanks in advance! James James Pawson Unit 3 Compliance --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <sdoug...@ieee.org> Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: <j.bac...@ieee.org> David Heald: <dhe...@gmail.com>
RE: EMC test software - TILE
So what you are saying is that he sends you an instrument driver that he has no way of testing. If/when you tell him that it works fine, you have only tested it using the functions needed for your particular application. It may not work for the next person. When I started working at my present employer, they had been using Tile for a few years. As I understand it, the profiles they were using had been setup by a representative of Quantum Change. They were very happy with it. However, within short order, I discovered problems with every instrument driver they were using. The driver for the spectrum analyzer had a problem that caused measurement errors of as much as 8dB. Yes, Mike did fix (most) of the problems, but I wonder how many other happy users have no idea they have problems. One problem I discovered, in the Immunity section, was that the Max sig-gen level did not always work. If a certain sequence of events occured, it would set the signal generator level way above the max level set by the user, and way above the 0dBm limit of most amplifiers. Luckily, it has not destroyed any equipment -- yet. And while Tile is very flexible -- I don't dispute that -- the user interface is lacking. While the flowchart looks a little like Labview, that is where the similarity ends. However, that is usually the part of the package that you will see emphasized in literature. Yes, I am sure there are a lot of labs using it succesfully. What I am saying is that there is a lot of room for improvement. I always approach software as a pessimist. Instead of assuming it is working correctly and trying to prove it, I assume it is NOT working correctly, and try to prove that. I've discovered that I find more problems that way. :-) Bob Richards, NCT. Garnier, David S (GE Healthcare) david.garn...@med.ge.com wrote: Hello, ..and if by chance you happen to come up with an instrument (GPIB based) that TILE does not have a driver for, all you need to do is send the GPIB command list to Mike and he'll make it for you, usually in a couple of days. Same experiance here. Regards, Dave Garnier David Garnier e GE Health Care ___ David S. Garnier Senior Technician Functional CT Engineering 3000 N. Grandview Ave - M/S W-1250 Waukesha, Wi. 53188 Tel: 262.312.7246 Cel: 414.899.7580 _ From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Gary Stuyvenberg Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 5:07 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: EMC test software - TILE Another opinion: As with anything, there is a tradeoff between complexity and flexibility and this is especially true with EMC software. You won't find a more flexible EMC software package than TILE.and really it is pretty straight forward to use. It is based on a GUI interface much like LABVIEW. If you need to do customized EMC test automation, and eventually you will (each industry has it's own quirks), you will not find a better overall package. Mike Hart's support of TILE is second to none in the industry. He has more instrument drivers available than any other package..and if by chance you happen to come up with an instrument (GPIB based) that TILE does not have a driver for, all you need to do is send the GPIB command list to Mike and he'll make it for you, usually in a couple of days. He'll even add custom features and capabilities to TILE for you. He's done these for me on numerous occasions, all at no extra cost. No politics, committee approvals or marketing reviews. You'll be hard pressed to find another EMC software vendor that will do all that. I may sound like I have an affiliation with Quantum Change (TILE), but I do not. I am simply an end user of the product and have experienced the package and unparalleled support first hand. MOOO Gary Stuyvenberg Thompson Consulting _ How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/tagline /postman8/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=39663/*http://voice.yahoo.com To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message
RE: EMC test software - TILE
Good People, I specifically did not want to get into code wars, but since other people have intro'd the 'T' vs 'U' argument, I will append to what has been said. CAVEAT: I am NOT an EMC expert, and would not even qualify as a journeyman EMC tech. I have observed some configuration management problems with TILE that were (in my opinion) design-related. I have experienced some support problems with UL stuff. IMO, both systems attempt too much. If one is able and has the time (hah?!?!), I would encourage EMC test labs to base their automation systems on Linux/BSD/Unix boxen - reliable, simple, and timeless. Write small modular test drivers that are specific to your needs, abstract instrument drivers, and use C only if you have multiple years of serious experience (I like to write hardware drivers in C, and all else in Python). luck, Brian From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Bob Richards Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 12:07 PM To: IEEE EMC SAFETY PSTC Subject: RE: EMC test software - TILE I have used both Tile and the UL software. While the Tile package has improved over the years, it is still very user-unfriendly and quirky, IMHO. I worked at UL for 6 years and used the UL software extensively for emissions testing. It, too, has its quirks, but it is a very capable package. As I understand it, the UL software started out as the HP package with extensive modifications and enhancements. The learning curve for either package is steep. If I had to choose between the two, I would go with the UL package. As for immunity, I wrote a lot of software for both conducted and radiated immunity. If you need a good conducted immunity package, check out: http://emc.toprudder.com/software/radcon/index.html It includes some instrument drivers, but it has a facility to allow you to create your own instrument files if you are familiar with the GPIB commands for your instrument. If you use the National Instruments GPIB interface, you can use the NISpy program to view the GPIB commands sent by other programs. Bob Richards, NCT. Ralph McDiarmid ralph.mcdiar...@xantrex.com wrote: This program may have improved immensely since we tried it in 2001. We hated it and so went with UL's after trying a few other demos from other vendors. UL was the closest look and feel to the 1980's HP program which ran on their 300 series computers. Ralph McDiarmid, AScT Compliance Engineering Group Xantrex Technology Inc. From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Ken Javor Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 8:21 AM To: Brian O'Connell; 'IEEE EMC SAFETY PSTC' Subject: Re: EMC test software TILE software: http://www.quantumchange.com/ provides EMC test software for various EMI test equipment, both emissions and immunity systems. From: Brian O'Connell Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:05:56 -0700 To: 'IEEE EMC SAFETY PSTC' Subject: RE: EMC test software All of the major instrument vendors offer test and reporting software, so your selection tends to be determined by the hardware already sitting on the bench. Note that test automation is probably mandatory for GTEM cell tests. My employer bought the emc report generator app from Agilent (I have no major complaints), but the control/automation code is custom in-house stuff, done by a local brilliant programmer (moi). Google for emc test software and become a bit overwhelmed... luck, Brian -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Gordon,Ian Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 4:47 AM To: 'IEEE EMC SAFETY PSTC' Subject: EMC test software All What software packages do people use for radiated + conducted emission and immunity testing? Ian Gordon - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
RE: EMC test software - TILE
Hello, ..and if by chance you happen to come up with an instrument (GPIB based) that TILE does not have a driver for, all you need to do is send the GPIB command list to Mike and he'll make it for you, usually in a couple of days. Same experiance here. Regards, Dave Garnier David Garnier e GE Health Care ___ David S. Garnier Senior Technician Functional CT Engineering 3000 N. Grandview Ave - M/S W-1250 Waukesha, Wi. 53188 Tel: 262.312.7246 Cel: 414.899.7580 _ From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Gary Stuyvenberg Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 5:07 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: EMC test software - TILE Another opinion: As with anything, there is a tradeoff between complexity and flexibility and this is especially true with EMC software. You won't find a more flexible EMC software package than TILE.and really it is pretty straight forward to use. It is based on a GUI interface much like LABVIEW. If you need to do customized EMC test automation, and eventually you will (each industry has it's own quirks), you will not find a better overall package. Mike Hart's support of TILE is second to none in the industry. He has more instrument drivers available than any other package..and if by chance you happen to come up with an instrument (GPIB based) that TILE does not have a driver for, all you need to do is send the GPIB command list to Mike and he'll make it for you, usually in a couple of days. He'll even add custom features and capabilities to TILE for you. He's done these for me on numerous occasions, all at no extra cost. No politics, committee approvals or marketing reviews. You'll be hard pressed to find another EMC software vendor that will do all that. I may sound like I have an affiliation with Quantum Change (TILE), but I do not. I am simply an end user of the product and have experienced the package and unparalleled support first hand. MOOO Gary Stuyvenberg Thompson Consulting _ How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/tagline /postman8/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=39663/*http://voice.yahoo.com call rates. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: EMC test software - TILE
Another advantage. You buy a site license and can use it as often as you want on this site. Best Regards Lothar Schmidt Technical Manager EMC, SAR, OTA CETECOM Inc. 411 Dixon Landing Rd Milpitas, CA 95035 Tel: (408) 586-6214 Email: mailto:lothar.schm...@cetecomusa.com lothar.schm...@cetecomusa.com This e-mail may contain proprietary, privileged and confidential information for the sole use of the named intended recipient. Any review or distribution of this e-mail by any party other than the intended recipient or that person's agent is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete all copies and immediately contact the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. _ From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Gary Stuyvenberg Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 3:07 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: EMC test software - TILE Another opinion: As with anything, there is a tradeoff between complexity and flexibility and this is especially true with EMC software. You won't find a more flexible EMC software package than TILE.and really it is pretty straight forward to use. It is based on a GUI interface much like LABVIEW. If you need to do customized EMC test automation, and eventually you will (each industry has it's own quirks), you will not find a better overall package. Mike Hart's support of TILE is second to none in the industry. He has more instrument drivers available than any other package..and if by chance you happen to come up with an instrument (GPIB based) that TILE does not have a driver for, all you need to do is send the GPIB command list to Mike and he'll make it for you, usually in a couple of days. He'll even add custom features and capabilities to TILE for you. He's done these for me on numerous occasions, all at no extra cost. No politics, committee approvals or marketing reviews. You'll be hard pressed to find another EMC software vendor that will do all that. I may sound like I have an affiliation with Quantum Change (TILE), but I do not. I am simply an end user of the product and have experienced the package and unparalleled support first hand. MOOO Gary Stuyvenberg Thompson Consulting _ How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/tagline /postman8/*http:/us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=39663/*http:/voice.yahoo.com call rates. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/tagl nes/postman8/*http:/us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=39663/*http:/voice.yahoo.com post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://us.rd.yahoo.com/m il_us/taglines/postman8/*http:/us.rd.ya oo.com/evt=39663/*http:/voice.yahoo.com http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/ta lines/postman8/*http:/us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=39663/*http:/voice.yahoo.com rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/tag ines/postman8/*http:/us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=39663/*http:/voice.yahoo.com help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/t glines/postman8/*http:/us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=39663/*http:/voice.yahoo.com Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/tag ines/postman8/*http:/us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=39663/*http:/voice.yahoo.com policy questions, send mail to: Jim http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/tag ines/postman8/*http:/us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=39663/*http:/voice.yahoo.com Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/tag ines/postman8/*http:/us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=39663/*http:/voice.yahoo.com emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/tagline /postman8/*http:/us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=39663/*http:/voice.yahoo.com __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp
RE: EMC test software - TILE
Another opinion: As with anything, there is a tradeoff between complexity and flexibility and this is especially true with EMC software. You won't find a more flexible EMC software package than TILE.and really it is pretty straight forward to use. It is based on a GUI interface much like LABVIEW. If you need to do customized EMC test automation, and eventually you will (each industry has it's own quirks), you will not find a better overall package. Mike Hart's support of TILE is second to none in the industry. He has more instrument drivers available than any other package..and if by chance you happen to come up with an instrument (GPIB based) that TILE does not have a driver for, all you need to do is send the GPIB command list to Mike and he'll make it for you, usually in a couple of days. He'll even add custom features and capabilities to TILE for you. He's done these for me on numerous occasions, all at no extra cost. No politics, committee approvals or marketing reviews. You'll be hard pressed to find another EMC software vendor that will do all that. I may sound like I have an affiliation with Quantum Change (TILE), but I do not. I am simply an end user of the product and have experienced the package and unparalleled support first hand. MOOO Gary Stuyvenberg Thompson Consulting _ How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/tagline /postman8/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=39663/*http://voice.yahoo.com PC-to-Phone call rates. - - -- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
RE: EMC test software - TILE
I have used both Tile and the UL software. While the Tile package has improved over the years, it is still very user-unfriendly and quirky, IMHO. I worked at UL for 6 years and used the UL software extensively for emissions testing. It, too, has its quirks, but it is a very capable package. As I understand it, the UL software started out as the HP package with extensive modifications and enhancements. The learning curve for either package is steep. If I had to choose between the two, I would go with the UL package. As for immunity, I wrote a lot of software for both conducted and radiated immunity. If you need a good conducted immunity package, check out: http://emc.toprudder.com/software/radcon/index.html http://emc.toprudder.com/software/radcon/index.html It includes some instrument drivers, but it has a facility to allow you to create your own instrument files if you are familiar with the GPIB commands for your instrument. If you use the National Instruments GPIB interface, you can use the NISpy program to view the GPIB commands sent by other programs. Bob Richards, NCT. Ralph McDiarmid ralph.mcdiar...@xantrex.com wrote: This program may have improved immensely since we tried it in 2001. We hated it and so went with UL's after trying a few other demos from other vendors. UL was the closest look and feel to the 1980's HP program which ran on their 300 series computers. Ralph McDiarmid, AScT Compliance Engineering Group Xantrex Technology Inc. From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Ken Javor Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 8:21 AM To: Brian O'Connell; 'IEEE EMC SAFETY PSTC' Subject: Re: EMC test software TILE software: http://www.quantumchange.com/ provides EMC test software for various EMI test equipment, both emissions and immunity systems. From: Brian O'Connell Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:05:56 -0700 To: 'IEEE EMC SAFETY PSTC' Subject: RE: EMC test software All of the major instrument vendors offer test and reporting software, so your selection tends to be determined by the hardware already sitting on the bench. Note that test automation is probably mandatory for GTEM cell tests. My employer bought the emc report generator app from Agilent (I have no major complaints), but the control/automation code is custom in-house stuff, done by a local brilliant programmer (moi). Google for emc test software and become a bit overwhelmed... luck, Brian -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Gordon,Ian Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 4:47 AM To: 'IEEE EMC SAFETY PSTC' Subject: EMC test software All What software packages do people use for radiated + conducted emission and immunity testing? Ian Gordon - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee
RE: EMC test software
We have used UL's EMC test software for several years and found it satisfactory driving our HP8568B test rack for emissions work. It was offered as crippleware demo as well. It's a Basic program running under the HTBasic Interpreter. Ralph McDiarmid, AScT Compliance Engineering Group Xantrex Technology Inc. From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Gordon,Ian Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 4:47 AM To: 'IEEE EMC SAFETY PSTC' Subject: EMC test software All What software packages do people use for radiated + conducted emission and immunity testing? Ian Gordon *** The information contained in this email and any attachments may be confidential and is provided solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, distribution, or use of this e-mail, its attachments or any information contained therein is unauthorised and prohibited. If you have received this in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete this e-mail and any attachments. No responsibility is accepted for any virus or defect that might arise from opening this e-mail or attachments, whether or not it has been checked by anti-virus software. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
RE: EMC test software - TILE
This program may have improved immensely since we tried it in 2001. We hated it and so went with UL's after trying a few other demos from other vendors. UL was the closest look and feel to the 1980's HP program which ran on their 300 series computers. Ralph McDiarmid, AScT Compliance Engineering Group Xantrex Technology Inc. From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Ken Javor Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 8:21 AM To: Brian O'Connell; 'IEEE EMC SAFETY PSTC' Subject: Re: EMC test software TILE software: http://www.quantumchange.com/ provides EMC test software for various EMI test equipment, both emissions and immunity systems. From: Brian O'Connell oconne...@tamuracorp.com Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:05:56 -0700 To: 'IEEE EMC SAFETY PSTC' emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: EMC test software All of the major instrument vendors offer test and reporting software, so your selection tends to be determined by the hardware already sitting on the bench. Note that test automation is probably mandatory for GTEM cell tests. My employer bought the emc report generator app from Agilent (I have no major complaints), but the control/automation code is custom in-house stuff, done by a local brilliant programmer (moi). Google for emc test software and become a bit overwhelmed... luck, Brian -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Gordon,Ian Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 4:47 AM To: 'IEEE EMC SAFETY PSTC' Subject: EMC test software All What software packages do people use for radiated + conducted emission and immunity testing? Ian Gordon - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
RE: EMC test software
Hi Ian, This is only speaking for emissions testing/reporting SW. I have used an application called SoftPlot ( http://www.softplot.com http://www.softplot.com). It works quite well with the 2 SA's that I still have, interfaces well with other types of instruments (including o'scopes other types of analyzers) via a number of interface protocols, and is relatively inexpensive. Best regards, Ron Pickard rpick...@hypercom.com From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Gordon,Ian Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 4:47 AM To: 'IEEE EMC SAFETY PSTC' Subject: EMC test software All What software packages do people use for radiated + conducted emission and immunity testing? Ian Gordon *** The information contained in this email and any attachments may be confidential and is provided solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, distribution, or use of this e-mail, its attachments or any information contained therein is unauthorised and prohibited. If you have received this in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete this e-mail and any attachments. No responsibility is accepted for any virus or defect that might arise from opening this e-mail or attachments, whether or not it has been checked by anti-virus software. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: EMC test software
TILE software: http://www.quantumchange.com/ provides EMC test software for various EMI test equipment, both emissions and immunity systems. From: Brian O'Connell oconne...@tamuracorp.com Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:05:56 -0700 To: 'IEEE EMC SAFETY PSTC' emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: EMC test software All of the major instrument vendors offer test and reporting software, so your selection tends to be determined by the hardware already sitting on the bench. Note that test automation is probably mandatory for GTEM cell tests. My employer bought the emc report generator app from Agilent (I have no major complaints), but the control/automation code is custom in-house stuff, done by a local brilliant programmer (moi). Google for emc test software and become a bit overwhelmed... luck, Brian -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Gordon,Ian Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 4:47 AM To: 'IEEE EMC SAFETY PSTC' Subject: EMC test software All What software packages do people use for radiated + conducted emission and immunity testing? Ian Gordon - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
RE: EMC test software
All of the major instrument vendors offer test and reporting software, so your selection tends to be determined by the hardware already sitting on the bench. Note that test automation is probably mandatory for GTEM cell tests. My employer bought the emc report generator app from Agilent (I have no major complaints), but the control/automation code is custom in-house stuff, done by a local brilliant programmer (moi). Google for emc test software and become a bit overwhelmed... luck, Brian -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Gordon,Ian Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 4:47 AM To: 'IEEE EMC SAFETY PSTC' Subject: EMC test software All What software packages do people use for radiated + conducted emission and immunity testing? Ian Gordon - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
EMC test software
All What software packages do people use for radiated + conducted emission and immunity testing? Ian Gordon *** The information contained in this email and any attachments may be confidential and is provided solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, distribution, or use of this e-mail, its attachments or any information contained therein is unauthorised and prohibited. If you have received this in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete this e-mail and any attachments. No responsibility is accepted for any virus or defect that might arise from opening this e-mail or attachments, whether or not it has been checked by anti-virus software. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
RE: EMC modeling software/freeware
I can recommend this one, I used it for many years. Very good demo version too. http://www.catena.uk.com/ Ralph McDiarmid, AScT Compliance Engineering Group Xantrex Technology Inc. From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of bob.edwa...@invensys.com Sent: September 20, 2005 1:05 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: EMC modeling software/freeware Doug, Many EMC issues can be modelled using a circuit simulator like this one available for free at http://www.linear.com/company/software.jsp Regards, Bob Edwards, Product Compliance Technical Authority Westinghouse Rail Systems Ltd., Chippenham, Wilts, U.K. Tel: (0)1249-441544 Fax: (0)1249-442662 - 2005 IEEE Symposium on Product Safety Engineering 3-4 October Schaumburg, IL http://www.ieee-pses.org/symposium This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwellmcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - 2005 IEEE Symposium on Product Safety Engineering 3-4 October Schaumburg, IL http://www.ieee-pses.org/symposium This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwellmcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: EMC modeling software/freeware
Doug, Many EMC issues can be modelled using a circuit simulator like this one available for free at http://www.linear.com/company/software.jsp Regards, Bob Edwards, Product Compliance Technical Authority Westinghouse Rail Systems Ltd., Chippenham, Wilts, U.K. Tel: (0)1249-441544 Fax: (0)1249-442662 - 2005 IEEE Symposium on Product Safety Engineering 3-4 October Schaumburg, IL http://www.ieee-pses.org/symposium This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwellmcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: EMC modeling software/freeware
Clayton Paul's books are all excellent. For this class his Introduction to Electromagnetic Compatibility makes an excellent text. Ghery S. Pettit From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of John Woodgate Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 11:23 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: EMC modeling software/freeware Robert A. Macy m...@california.com wrote (in web-102014...@california.com) about 'EMC modeling software/freeware', on Mon, 19 Sep 2005: Or, maybe selected works from Doug Smith Not 'or, 'and'. But try to get Ott, as a reference work, if at all possible. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. Deadlines are 90% of deadliness. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk - 2005 IEEE Symposium on Product Safety Engineering 3-4 October Schaumburg, IL http://www.ieee-pses.org/symposium This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwellmcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - 2005 IEEE Symposium on Product Safety Engineering 3-4 October Schaumburg, IL http://www.ieee-pses.org/symposium This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwellmcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: EMC modeling software/freeware
Robert A. Macy m...@california.com wrote (in web-102014...@california.com) about 'EMC modeling software/freeware', on Mon, 19 Sep 2005: Or, maybe selected works from Doug Smith Not 'or, 'and'. But try to get Ott, as a reference work, if at all possible. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. Deadlines are 90% of deadliness. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk - 2005 IEEE Symposium on Product Safety Engineering 3-4 October Schaumburg, IL http://www.ieee-pses.org/symposium This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwellmcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: EMC modeling software/freeware
Or, maybe selected works from Doug Smith Howard Johnson - Robert - On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 18:54:27 +0100 John Woodgate j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk wrote: Doug Kramer dkra...@nceelabs.com wrote (in gaepjamldflnleblofneceeneeaa.dkra...@nceelabs.com) about 'EMC modeling software/freeware', on Mon, 19 Sep 2005: As an additional thought, I would be very curious to hear the different opinions of the collective on the various EMC textbooks available too, without flames. Tim Williams' books have a very good reputation, and I would support that. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. Deadlines are 90% of deadliness. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk - 2005 IEEE Symposium on Product Safety Engineering 3-4 October Schaumburg, IL http://www.ieee-pses.org/symposium - 2005 IEEE Symposium on Product Safety Engineering 3-4 October Schaumburg, IL http://www.ieee-pses.org/symposium This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwellmcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: EMC modeling software/freeware
Doug Kramer dkra...@nceelabs.com wrote (in gaepjamldflnleblofneceeneeaa.dkra...@nceelabs.com) about 'EMC modeling software/freeware', on Mon, 19 Sep 2005: As an additional thought, I would be very curious to hear the different opinions of the collective on the various EMC textbooks available too, without flames. Tim Williams' books have a very good reputation, and I would support that. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. Deadlines are 90% of deadliness. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk - 2005 IEEE Symposium on Product Safety Engineering 3-4 October Schaumburg, IL http://www.ieee-pses.org/symposium This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwellmcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
EMC modeling software/freeware
What is the most user friendly, powerful EMC modeling software or tools (or toolbox) that can be used for introductory EMC education? Preferably shareware or freeware, I'm trying to help a University put together an introductory course for 3rd or 4th year students. The thought is currently to model transmission lines (coax, UTP, simple STP), simple enclosures and possibly PCBs. As an additional thought, I would be very curious to hear the different opinions of the collective on the various EMC textbooks available too, without flames. Offline comments welcomed. Thanks, Doug - 2005 IEEE Symposium on Product Safety Engineering 3-4 October Schaumburg, IL http://www.ieee-pses.org/symposium This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwellmcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: EMC simulation software
fyi... Attached is a note I've sent to Sergio regarding EMC Simulation Software, I thought the group could benefit from the information. - Forwarded by Scott Mee/NA/Johnson_Controls on 09/02/2003 10:57 AM Scott Mee To: sergio.lou...@siemens.com 08/27/2003 11:24 cc: AM Subject: Re: EMC simulation software(Document link: Scott Mee) Sergio, I apologize for the late reply, however, I have some information that may be of use to you. We have been using the Omega PLUS software for board level analysis for roughly 1.5 years. We use the software for a number of purposes: 1) Cross-talk analysis 2) Signal Integrity Analysis 3) E/H Field 2D Analysis One of the nice features it has is the running database. It keeps track of all of your component models so that you don't have to rebuild them each time you simulate boards. As you build the database, simulations become quick and easy since the software recalls the components from that database. We've found good correlation between our product measurements and the simulation results. We also use the tool as a part of our design process to help us make decisions on which layout techniques will result in lower emissions. Additionally, the technical support is wonderful! I can provide more information as needed, or answer any questions. Please let me know. Best Regards, Scott Mee Johnson Controls Inc. Automotive Systems Group EMC Product Compliance 616.394.2565 scott@jci.com sergio.loures@siemens. com To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Sent by: cc: owner-emc-pstc@majordoSubject: EMC simulation software mo.ieee.org 08/14/2003 07:19 PM Please respond to sergio.loures ?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office /Hi all, I have just downloaded an evaluation copy of the Omega PLUS software, from Quantic-EMC, for EMC simulations and it seems to be a good software. Has someone an opinion of this product? What similar software do you suggest? Regards Sérgio L. Rocha Loures IC SC QP Q - Quality Assurance Supply Chain - Quality and Processes SIEMENS (Tel: +55 41 341-5898 ÊFax: +55 41 341-5058 *sergio.lou...@siemens.com Minha opinião e não necessariamente a do meu empregador. This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc
EMC simulation software
Hi all, I have just downloaded an evaluation copy of the Omega PLUS software, from Quantic-EMC, for EMC simulations and it seems to be a good software. Has someone an opinion of this product? What similar software do you suggest? Regards Sérgio L. Rocha Loures IC SC QP Q - Quality Assurance Supply Chain - Quality and Processes SIEMENS (Tel: +55 41 341-5898 ÊFax: +55 41 341-5058 mailto:*sergio.lou...@siemens.com *sergio.lou...@siemens.com Minha opinião e não necessariamente a do meu empregador.
Re: Change in emc-pstc Software?
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Change in emc-pstc Software?
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Re: EMC Automation software
Ron, We also use TILE and highly recommend it. It's an amazing piece of automation software that works well with our HP, Sunol, and AR equipment. The technical support is also outstanding. Best regards, Dave Lorusso Alcatel USA Dale Albright wrote: Ron, I have used TILE (Totally Integrated Laboratory Environment) for almost 5 years. It is an outstanding package for automation. I have dealt with just about every vendor in the EMI business, and Quantum Change (Mike Hart and Bill Scheer) have exceeded, by far, the best technical and product update support. I use the software for radiated and conducted emissions and immunity, cable and antenna calibrations, NSA, site checks, shielding effectiveness, etc. You can reach Mike or Bill at 215-674-8845 or look at Quantumchange.com. Dale. -Original Message- From: ron_cher...@densolabs.com ron_cher...@densolabs.com To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Date: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 3:51 PM Subject: EMC Automation software I am looking for PC based EMC Automation software for an anechoic chamber for FCC part 15 class B testing. I have HP analyzers. I would also like the software to do automated NSA meaurements. Ron Chernus, Associate Test Engineer, DVT Denso International Carlsbad, California, USA - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
R: EMC simulation software
Mr. Venter, far from my intention to do polemics, but I'm a little bit sceptic on the figure you mention: a couple of db is a number that is far better than the error capability of a radiated emission mesaurement. Moreover often other issue such as the capability of finding resonance frequencies are also important. Ing. Giuseppe Rossi, EMC Department Fiat Research Centre**competent body under 89/336, ** quality accredited laboratory Strada Torino 50 10043 Orbassano e-mail g.ro...@crf.it mailto:g.ro...@crf.it phone ++39 0119083114 fax ++39 01190 83083 -- Da: VENTER, Francois [SMTP:fven...@alcatel.altech.co.za] Inviato: venerdì 26 novembre 1999 6.50 A: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org; giovanni.tribell...@telitnt.it Oggetto: RE: EMC simulation software Hi They say that it is not good practise to answer a question with another question but in this case it is appropriate. How much money are you prepared to spend? In my opinion after evaluating a number of these software packages I would say that there are only two that I have seen that have good correlation between simulation data and actual measured data. Unfortunately both of these packages, EMC workbench and Viewlogic, are priced in the US$90,000 - US$120,000 region. I must however warn you that in my study I have realised that the cheap packages, e.g. US$2000 are very limited and often yield incorrect and unreliable results. The above-mentioned packages I have seen in operation and both yield simulation results within a couple of dB from the measured results. I would therefore recommend one of them. Something apart from price, that may sway your decision is you CAD package. The interface from this package to the simulation tool might restrict you as to usable software. Yours faithfully FA Venter (PR. Eng.) Alcatel Altech Telecoms Senior Development Engineer - EMC fven...@alcatel.altech.co.za PO Box 286, Boksburg, 1460, South Africa Tel +2711 899-6658 Fax +2711 899-6590 -Original Message- From: giovanni.tribellini [SMTP:giovanni.tribell...@telitnt.it] Sent: 25 November 1999 06:02 To: emc-pstc Cc: giovanni.tribellini Subject:EMC simulation software NOTE: This mail is for the subscribers of EMC-PSTC mailing list that aren't TREG subscribers. I have already mailed this mail to TREG group, and I want to thank Rusty, Jan, and Bechard above all, for their reply. Hello to EMC-PSTC group! I have the following info request: Who can suggest me a reliable EMC simulation tool for the design of PCB for mobile telecom equipments, predicting emissions and, possibly, immunity problems? In your opinion, is this software really useful for identify and correct EMC problems before doing lab tests according standards? Thank you for your attention Giovanni Tribellini - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: EMC Automation software
Ron, I have used TILE (Totally Integrated Laboratory Environment) for almost 5 years. It is an outstanding package for automation. I have dealt with just about every vendor in the EMI business, and Quantum Change (Mike Hart and Bill Scheer) have exceeded, by far, the best technical and product update support. I use the software for radiated and conducted emissions and immunity, cable and antenna calibrations, NSA, site checks, shielding effectiveness, etc. You can reach Mike or Bill at 215-674-8845 or look at Quantumchange.com. Dale. -Original Message- From: ron_cher...@densolabs.com ron_cher...@densolabs.com To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 3:51 PM Subject: EMC Automation software I am looking for PC based EMC Automation software for an anechoic chamber for FCC part 15 class B testing. I have HP analyzers. I would also like the software to do automated NSA meaurements. Ron Chernus, Associate Test Engineer, DVT Denso International Carlsbad, California, USA - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
EMC Automation software
I am looking for PC based EMC Automation software for an anechoic chamber for FCC part 15 class B testing. I have HP analyzers. I would also like the software to do automated NSA meaurements. Ron Chernus, Associate Test Engineer, DVT Denso International Carlsbad, California, USA - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
HP EMC Test Software.
Hi everyone. I'm looking for any surplus copies of HP 85879A Radiated Emissions Software. This is no longer sold or supported by HP, but I understand it was the PRE-PC bread and butter Radiated Emissions package. If you've Please get back to me if you've recently upgraded to a PC based system or have a lead on this S/W package. I'd consider getting it with an HP Series 200 or 300 workstation if not available separately. Thanks!! Best regards, Rob. - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: EMC and Software
Bob, In my experience in the commercial computing arena at NCR I have found that software can definitely influence radiated emissions. My experience is in very high speed digital systems. In systems where the dominant EMI sources are from the I/O signals on cables, then the bit pattern of that signal has a big influence on radiated emissions. The bit pattern is determined by software, or firmware, or some set of computer instructions. For example, I have a very high speed digital system that idles with a bit pattern that is much like a repetitive clock pulse. It produces a very strong emission at its characteristic frequency. However, when the system is truly operating and sending real data, the signal bit patterns on the cables are much more complex, producing a much richer spectrum of radiated emissions, but with the peaks many dB lower than the idle pattern's peak. In this case, the software has a real influence on the emissions spectrum. I think that if you had a system that had noisier boards, so that an important EMI source were common-mode signals on the ground plane from clock signals (a common problem), then software activity may have much less effect on radiated emissions. Yes, the effects are system dependent, but for some categories of systems, software activity is an important ingredient in producing radiated emissions. I have another example! We use arrays of disk drive storage (many gigabytes) in our systems. Typically, these arrays are driven by SCSI cables. We have found over the years that we should run software programs that try to maximize disk activity (reads and writes) when performing EMI compliance tests. We usually get stronger emissions when the drives are very active. This is another example of software influencing radiated emissions. This is a bit of a ramble, but I hope the thoughts are helpful to you. Jim Dr. Jim Knightene-mail: jlknigh...@ieee.org Senior Consulting Engineer NCR 17095 Via del Campo San Diego, CA 92127 http://www.ncr.com Tel: 619-485-2537 Fax: 619-485-3788 -- From: rehel...@mmm.com Sent: Monday, March 01, 1999 10:30 AM To: Knighten, Jim Cc: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: EMC and Software Sorry for not being clear: I have received and read a fair amount of data on the containment and recovery from ESD spikes through the use of software. Can software also control and/or limit the amount of emissions from equipment? Harmonics? Voltage variations? I know the question is broad and the answers may be equipment specific. But when software and hardware design engineers get together on a design, are there any general rules of thumb or specifics that they should be aware of in terms of EMC? Thanks again, Bob Heller === === Knighten, Jim knigh...@trans.sandiegoca.ncr.com on 03/01/99 11:54:44 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Robert E. Heller/US-Corporate/3M/US cc: Subject: RE: EMC and Software Bob, Before I respond to this, could you please elaborate a little. I am not certain I understand what you are asking for? Jim Knighten Dr. Jim Knighten e-mail: jlknigh...@ieee.org Senior Consulting Engineer NCR 17095 Via del Campo San Diego, CA 92127 http://www.ncr.com Tel: 619-485-2537 Fax: 619-485-3788 -- From: rehel...@mmm.com Sent: Monday, March 01, 1999 6:03 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: EMC and Software Could someone provide their knowledge of or resources for the control or mitigation of EMI through the use of software? Thanks, Bob Heller 3M Company - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: EMC and Software
In message 86256727.004c9043...@em-stpmta-01.mmm.com rehel...@mmm.com writes: Could someone provide their knowledge of or resources for the control or mitigation of EMI through the use of software? Bob and EMC-PSTC colleagues: There was an excellent colloquium on this subject at the IEE in London last November. I am appending below a copy of the announcement (which did appear here last year), and the IEE or Richard Marshall may be able to provide copies of the digest. -- Bill Lyons - b...@lyons.demon.co.uk / w.ly...@ieee.org ELECTROMAGNETIC COMPATIBILITY OF SOFTWARE IEE, Savoy Place, London WC2R 0BL, UK Thursday, 12 November 1998 Colloquium organised by IEE Professional Group E2 (Electromagnetic compatibility). Co-sponsored by the British Computer Society. Appropriate software resilience can significantly improve the immunity of computer based hardware that must operate despite electromagnetic interference. Input, output and network connections pose particular problems. In cost-sensitive applications the requirement for filtering and shielding can be reduced, and in high integrity systems software can help ensure fault-tolerant or fail-safe response to extreme electromagnetic stress. Accordingly the Colloquium will address the software design techniques that can improve immunity to lightning and electrostatic discharge, to radiation from cellular phones and other transmitters and to mains-borne interference. Software design to minimise emissions will be of interest. Closely related hardware such as watchdog circuits will be covered. Contributions covering the interaction between software resilience and EMC testing will be welcomed, as will descriptions of new developments and tutorial papers. Special provision will be made for short contributions describing specific problems and their solutions. For details of attendance at the Colloquium, contact The Institution of Electrical Engineers, Savoy Place, London WC2R 0BL, UK Tel: +44 171 240 1871 ext 2205 or 2206 +44 171 836 0313 (recorded announcements re meeting changes) Fax: +44 171 240 7735 email: confere...@iee.org.uk URL: http://www.iee.org.uk/ Although the formal deadline (14 August 1998) for submissions has passed, a late contribution may be possible by submitting a synopsis to: Richard C Marshall The Dappled House, 30 Ox Lane, Harpenden, Herts AL5 4HE, U.K. Tel: +44 1582 460 815 email: richard.marsh...@lineone.net N.B. In response to queries in the EMC-PSTC mailing list (for details of this list see section 1.4 of the s.e.e.c FAQ), Richard responded with the following FAQs: Readers have asked: * If they can get the colloquium papers? The answer is yes, after the event, and at a charge. Email me at richard.marsh...@lineone.net if you want details in November. * What is it all about? Two examples: * Software filtering of inputs. I have recently done a fast-transient test to IEC801-4 on a microprocessor based product that serves two different functions according to the position of a remote switch. It failed the test, jumping from one function to the other when the test was applied. (The IEC801-4 bursts are quite brief but recur every 300 ms during the test). If the software had been written to wait and check again, say 200 ms after the switch appeared to have changed, that it was indeed still changed, then the product would have been immune to this interference. The resulting delay in responding to the switch would not have mattered in this application and a few extra lines of code cost nothing when the device is in quantity production. * Reset and restart after program corruption Watchdogs are actually quite difficult to design, but a good one can ensure that a product recovers without any help from the user after impulsive interference - fast transient or ESD - which can change the failure from performance criterion A to performance criterion B in EN50082-1. Now, have readers any experiences of this sort of software design/EMC interaction that they could share? If so I would like to hear them!. Richard Marshall Richard Marshall Limited, Herts., UK Analogue rf design; EMC; Safety Critical Systems (see above for address, phone email details) - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
EMC and Software
Could someone provide their knowledge of or resources for the control or mitigation of EMI through the use of software? Thanks, Bob Heller 3M Company - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
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Posted for Jim Knighten: From: Knighten, Jim knigh...@trans.sandiegoca.ncr.com Subject: RE: EMC and Software Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 09:54:44 -0800 To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org, rehel...@mmm.com Bob, Before I respond to this, could you please elaborate a little. I am not certain I understand what you are asking for? Jim Knighten Dr. Jim Knighten e-mail: jlknigh...@ieee.org Senior Consulting Engineer NCR 17095 Via del Campo San Diego, CA 92127 http://www.ncr.com Tel: 619-485-2537 Fax: 619-485-3788 -- From: rehel...@mmm.com Sent: Monday, March 01, 1999 6:03 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: EMC and Software Could someone provide their knowledge of or resources for the control or mitigation of EMI through the use of software? Thanks, Bob Heller 3M Company -- Ed Price ed.pr...@cubic.com Electromagnetic Compatibility Lab Cubic Defense Systems San Diego, CA. USA 619-505-2780 List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: 03/01/1999 Time: 10:12:22 -- - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
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Posted for Bruce Hunter: From: Bruce Hunter bru...@thomson-csf.com.au Subject: RE: EMC and Software Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 07:54:15 +1100 (EST) To: rehel...@mmm.com Cc: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org On Mon, 1 Mar 1999 rehel...@mmm.com wrote: Sorry for not being clear: I have received and read a fair amount of data on the containment and recovery from ESD spikes through the use of software. Can software also control and/or limit the amount of emissions from equipment? Harmonics? Voltage variations? I know the question is broad and the answers may be equipment specific. But when software and hardware design engineers get together on a design, are there any general rules of thumb or specifics that they should be aware of in terms of EMC? There are various software techniques to filters the effects of transients and interference on input circuits with embedded software based products. There range from averaging, successive sampling and comparison through to signal analysis and recovery. One important rule of thumb is that software cannot recover information where it doesn't exist. On the issue of ESD spikes, its seems that you are trying to recover from a software crash induced by hardware susceptibility to transients. There are various techniques that can be used from watchdog timers, program boundary checking, cyclic reset and run operation etc. If the failure can result in a hazardous condition rather than an unreliable product then you have a different and a more serious problem. In this case you would need to establish and prove the safe operation of this product by formal management of the functional safety of the product. You can look at IEC61508 (Functional safety of electrical/ electronic/ programmable electronic safety related systems) for guidance here. Part 6 of this standard has a good library of techniques to handle software and hardware failures. UL1998 also has a list of useful measures to address the results of hardware failures and malfunctions on software. I hope this helps... Bruce Hunter email: bru...@thomson-csf.com.au Thomson-CSF Pacific Phone: +61 2 9981 0630 Fax: +61 2 9971 1759 176 South Creek Road, Dee Why, NSW 2099, Australia ---End of Original Message- -- Ed Price ed.pr...@cubic.com Electromagnetic Compatibility Lab Cubic Defense Systems San Diego, CA. USA 619-505-2780 List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: 03/01/1999 Time: 13:01:59 -- - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
