Re: ISO 9000 and Sales Tenders in the EMEA
In message <002301ca9925$51aa37b0$d600a...@tamuracorp.com>, dated Tue, 19 Jan 2010, Brian O'Connell writes: >Will be looking for Mr Woodgate's reply to this, as I have not been >able to understand the value of the ISO 9k dance. I'm not an expert on ISO 900, which is why I keep on good terms with a colleague who is! I can see the point that an R&D department may not need certification, provided there are adequate safeguards that the manufactured products perform as intended. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK I should be disillusioned, but it's not worth the effort. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
RE: ISO 9000 and Sales Tenders in the EMEA
Will be looking for Mr Woodgate's reply to this, as I have not been able to understand the value of the ISO 9k dance. FWIW, last year I requested permission from the corporate office to stop our wonderful visits to (only) the engineering dept from the registrar. So we polled our customers, distributors, etc. None cared if the engineering dept did not have it, but were happy as long as the factories had the paper. In any case, the big boss would not let us drop engineering from the ISO dance - so we continue to waltz with our two left feet. Brian > -Original Message- > From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of John > Woodgate > Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 12:02 AM > To: emc-p...@ieee.org > Subject: Re: ISO 9000 and Sales Tenders in the EMEA > > In message <580243.62817...@web113504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, > dated Mon, 18 > Jan 2010, peter merguerian writes: > > >I am told that ISO9000 is a must-have" to participate in > sales tenders > >in Europe, Middle East and Africa. > > > > Is anyone familar with an alternative to ISO9000 certification for > >companies not able to afford ISO9000 certification but who > would like > >to penetrate these markets? > > I doubt it, but I will ask my colleague who is a specialist > in ISO 9000 > about possible lower-cost routes to certification. > -- > OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk > John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
RE: [PSES] ISO 9000 and Sales Tenders in the EMEA
Peter ISO9000 is a standard requirement on many tenders – whether having it actually means anything in reality can be debated ‘till the cows come home J When you say “not able to afford” – how big is the company and how much have they been quoted? There are ISO9000 schemes designed for micro-companies which cost <£1k p.a. Regards Charlie From: peter merguerian [mailto:pmerguerian2...@yahoo.com] Sent: 19 January 2010 01:24 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] ISO 9000 and Sales Tenders in the EMEA Dear Group Members, I am told that ISO9000 is a must-have" to participate in sales tenders in Europe, Middle East and Africa. Is anyone familar with an alternative to ISO9000 certification for companies not able to afford ISO9000 certification but who would like to penetrate these markets? Thanks, Peter Merguerian - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher David Heald - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher David Heald
Re: ISO 9000 and Sales Tenders in the EMEA
In message <580243.62817...@web113504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, dated Mon, 18 Jan 2010, peter merguerian writes: >I am told that ISO9000 is a must-have" to participate in sales tenders >in Europe, Middle East and Africa. > > Is anyone familar with an alternative to ISO9000 certification for >companies not able to afford ISO9000 certification but who would like >to penetrate these markets? I doubt it, but I will ask my colleague who is a specialist in ISO 9000 about possible lower-cost routes to certification. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK I should be disillusioned, but it's not worth the effort. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
ISO 9000 and Sales Tenders in the EMEA
Dear Group Members, I am told that ISO9000 is a must-have" to participate in sales tenders in Europe, Middle East and Africa. Is anyone familar with an alternative to ISO9000 certification for companies not able to afford ISO9000 certification but who would like to penetrate these markets? Thanks, Peter Merguerian - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher David Heald
Re: ISO 9000 Document
Grace, Per Japan, if the radio component manufacturer does not have ISO9000, you can submit the quality manual for review Peter Merguerian --- On Tue, 3/3/09, Grace Lin wrote: From: Grace Lin Subject: ISO 9000 Document To: emc-p...@ieee.org Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 8:56 AM Dear Members, Could someone please advise what documents are required per ISO 9000 (ISO 9001?)? This seems off topic for EMC engineers. However, a production quality system certificate (or alternative document) is required to obtain Type Certificate for radio devices per MIC Japan. A quick Google search found a link htt ://www.iso.org/iso/iso_catalogue/manage ent_standards/iso_9000_iso_14000/iso_90 1_2008/guidance_on_the_documentation_requirements_of_iso_9001_2008.htm. Is this the best list of the document required by ISO 9000? Thank you and look forward to hearing from you. Best regards, Grace Lin - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher David Heald - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher David Heald
ISO 9000 Document
Dear Members, Could someone please advise what documents are required per ISO 9000 (ISO 9001?)? This seems off topic for EMC engineers. However, a production quality system certificate (or alternative document) is required to obtain Type Certificate for radio devices per MIC Japan. A quick Google search found a link http //www.iso.org/iso/iso_catalogue/managem nt_standards/iso_9000_iso_14000/iso_900 _2008/guidance_on_the_documentation_requirements_of_iso_9001_2008.htm. Is this the best list of the document required by ISO 9000? Thank you and look forward to hearing from you. Best regards, Grace Lin - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher David Heald
RE: ISO 9000
I think you will find that this dependant upon the product type and ISO 900 may not be sufficient. Gregg Kervill DipIM, MIMgt, MIEEE VP Engineering Test4Safety.com Inc PO Box 310, Reedville, VA 22539. USA Phone ( 804) 453-3141 Fax(804) 453-9039 --Original Message- -From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org -[mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of -ron_well...@agilent.com -Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 10:25 AM -To: marti...@appliedbiosystems.com; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org -Subject: RE: ISO 9000 - - - -Hello Martin, - -If you are a medical device manufacturer, to comply with the -European Medical Device Directive, you have to have ISO 9000 -accreditation. Otherwise, ISO 9000 compliance is a -market/customer requirement, not a regulatory requirement. - -Regards, -+=+ -|Ronald R. Wellman|Voice : 408-345-8229 | -|Agilent Technologies |FAX : 408-553-2412 | -|5301 Stevens Creek Blvd.,|E-Mail: ron_well...@agilent.com| -|Mailstop 54L-BB |WWW : http://www.agilent.com | -|Santa Clara, California 95052 USA| | -+=+ - - --Original Message- -From: marti...@appliedbiosystems.com -[mailto:marti...@appliedbiosystems.com] -Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 7:24 PM -To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org -Subject: ISO 9000 - - - -Greetings, - -Several years ago most manufacturing companies were getting -evaluated to -ISO 9000 standards. Since that time, there have been some -revisions to the -standards. Does your company still spend time and money -dealing with ISO -9000 and it's revisions. If so, why. If not, why not? - -I realize this subject is not directly related to product -safety/EMC, so, -if you like, you can email me directly with your responses. - -All responses are appreciated. - -Regards - -Joe Martin -EMC/Product Safety Engineer -Applied Biosystems -marti...@appliedbiosystems.com - - - -This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety -Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. - -Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ - -To cancel your subscription, send mail to: - majord...@ieee.org -with the single line: - unsubscribe emc-pstc - -For help, send mail to the list administrators: - Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com - Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com - -For policy questions, send mail to: - Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org - Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org - -All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: -http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ -Click on "browse" and then "emc-pstc mailing list" - -This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety -Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. - -Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ - -To cancel your subscription, send mail to: - majord...@ieee.org -with the single line: - unsubscribe emc-pstc - -For help, send mail to the list administrators: - Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com - Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com - -For policy questions, send mail to: - Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org - Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org - -All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: -http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ -Click on "browse" and then "emc-pstc mailing list" - --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on "browse" and then "emc-pstc mailing list"
RE: ISO 9000
Hello Martin, If you are a medical device manufacturer, to comply with the European Medical Device Directive, you have to have ISO 9000 accreditation. Otherwise, ISO 9000 compliance is a market/customer requirement, not a regulatory requirement. Regards, +=+ |Ronald R. Wellman|Voice : 408-345-8229 | |Agilent Technologies |FAX : 408-553-2412 | |5301 Stevens Creek Blvd.,|E-Mail: ron_well...@agilent.com| |Mailstop 54L-BB |WWW : http://www.agilent.com | |Santa Clara, California 95052 USA| | +=+ -Original Message- From: marti...@appliedbiosystems.com [mailto:marti...@appliedbiosystems.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 7:24 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: ISO 9000 Greetings, Several years ago most manufacturing companies were getting evaluated to ISO 9000 standards. Since that time, there have been some revisions to the standards. Does your company still spend time and money dealing with ISO 9000 and it's revisions. If so, why. If not, why not? I realize this subject is not directly related to product safety/EMC, so, if you like, you can email me directly with your responses. All responses are appreciated. Regards Joe Martin EMC/Product Safety Engineer Applied Biosystems marti...@appliedbiosystems.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on "browse" and then "emc-pstc mailing list" --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on "browse" and then "emc-pstc mailing list"
Re: ISO 9000 --- Or ISO/IEC 17025
Martin, The key issue is the competence of the testing and demonstration of compliance to both EMC and Product Safety requirements. The standard to use is ISO/IEC 17025, "General Requirements for the Competence of Calibration and Testing Laboratories". This is the foundation for acceptance of testing worldwide including most mutual recognition agreements. As recognized by various goivernments and and industries as well as ISO and IEC in the Introduction to ISO/IEC 17025: "Certification against ISO 9001 and ISO 9002 does not of itself demonstrate the competence of the laboratory to produce technically valid data and results. The acceptance of testing and calibration results between countries should be facilitated if laboratories comply with this International Standard and if they obtain accreditation from bodies which have entered into mutual recognition agreements with equivalent bodies in other countries using this International Standard. The use of this International Standard will facilitate cooperation between laboratories and other bodies, and assist in the exchange of information and experience, and in the harmonization of standards and procedures." Hope this helps. ISO 9000 was not the answer years ago and it still is not. Larry Gradin *** * Larry Gradin, PE, QMS-LA * Email: lgra...@integrity-solutions.org & l.gra...@ieee.org * Integrity Solutions Group, Inc. * 6419 Bridgewood TerraceBoca Raton, FL 33433 USA * Phone 561-395-6007Efax: 978-285-6589 * Web Page http://www.Integrity-Solutions.org ___ Remember - Quality depends on Integrity, Attention To Detail, Cost-Effective Action, and Commitment -- not buzzwords. * - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 10:23 PM Subject: ISO 9000 > > Greetings, > > Several years ago most manufacturing companies were getting evaluated to > ISO 9000 standards. Since that time, there have been some revisions to the > standards. Does your company still spend time and money dealing with ISO > 9000 and it's revisions. If so, why. If not, why not? > > I realize this subject is not directly related to product safety/EMC, so, > if you like, you can email me directly with your responses. > > All responses are appreciated. > > Regards > > Joe Martin > EMC/Product Safety Engineer > Applied Biosystems > marti...@appliedbiosystems.com > > --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on "browse" and then "emc-pstc mailing list"
ISO 9000
Greetings, Several years ago most manufacturing companies were getting evaluated to ISO 9000 standards. Since that time, there have been some revisions to the standards. Does your company still spend time and money dealing with ISO 9000 and it's revisions. If so, why. If not, why not? I realize this subject is not directly related to product safety/EMC, so, if you like, you can email me directly with your responses. All responses are appreciated. Regards Joe Martin EMC/Product Safety Engineer Applied Biosystems marti...@appliedbiosystems.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on "browse" and then "emc-pstc mailing list"
ISO 9000:2000 standards
Hi colleagues, I am not sure this subject is part of this forum. Are the ISO 9000:2000 standards available on line ? I would appreciate at least some overview. Looking at http://www.iso.org/iso/en/iso9000-14000/iso9000/qmp.html#Principle5 give me some views but not enough. thanks for your help Pierre-Marie Andre Intel Sophia Senior Approval Engineer Tel : +33 (0) 4 93 00 14 13 Fax : +33 (0) 4 93 00 14 01 > http://www.intel.com > --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
