RE: EMC test software - TILE
So what you are saying is that he sends you an instrument driver that he has no way of testing. If/when you tell him that it works fine, you have only tested it using the functions needed for your particular application. It may not work for the next person. When I started working at my present employer, they had been using Tile for a few years. As I understand it, the profiles they were using had been setup by a representative of Quantum Change. They were very happy with it. However, within short order, I discovered problems with every instrument driver they were using. The driver for the spectrum analyzer had a problem that caused measurement errors of as much as 8dB. Yes, Mike did fix (most) of the problems, but I wonder how many other happy users have no idea they have problems. One problem I discovered, in the Immunity section, was that the Max sig-gen level did not always work. If a certain sequence of events occured, it would set the signal generator level way above the max level set by the user, and way above the 0dBm limit of most amplifiers. Luckily, it has not destroyed any equipment -- yet. And while Tile is very flexible -- I don't dispute that -- the user interface is lacking. While the flowchart looks a little like Labview, that is where the similarity ends. However, that is usually the part of the package that you will see emphasized in literature. Yes, I am sure there are a lot of labs using it succesfully. What I am saying is that there is a lot of room for improvement. I always approach software as a pessimist. Instead of assuming it is working correctly and trying to prove it, I assume it is NOT working correctly, and try to prove that. I've discovered that I find more problems that way. :-) Bob Richards, NCT. Garnier, David S (GE Healthcare) david.garn...@med.ge.com wrote: Hello, ..and if by chance you happen to come up with an instrument (GPIB based) that TILE does not have a driver for, all you need to do is send the GPIB command list to Mike and he'll make it for you, usually in a couple of days. Same experiance here. Regards, Dave Garnier David Garnier e GE Health Care ___ David S. Garnier Senior Technician Functional CT Engineering 3000 N. Grandview Ave - M/S W-1250 Waukesha, Wi. 53188 Tel: 262.312.7246 Cel: 414.899.7580 _ From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Gary Stuyvenberg Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 5:07 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: EMC test software - TILE Another opinion: As with anything, there is a tradeoff between complexity and flexibility and this is especially true with EMC software. You won't find a more flexible EMC software package than TILE.and really it is pretty straight forward to use. It is based on a GUI interface much like LABVIEW. If you need to do customized EMC test automation, and eventually you will (each industry has it's own quirks), you will not find a better overall package. Mike Hart's support of TILE is second to none in the industry. He has more instrument drivers available than any other package..and if by chance you happen to come up with an instrument (GPIB based) that TILE does not have a driver for, all you need to do is send the GPIB command list to Mike and he'll make it for you, usually in a couple of days. He'll even add custom features and capabilities to TILE for you. He's done these for me on numerous occasions, all at no extra cost. No politics, committee approvals or marketing reviews. You'll be hard pressed to find another EMC software vendor that will do all that. I may sound like I have an affiliation with Quantum Change (TILE), but I do not. I am simply an end user of the product and have experienced the package and unparalleled support first hand. MOOO Gary Stuyvenberg Thompson Consulting _ How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/tagline /postman8/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=39663/*http://voice.yahoo.com To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message
RE: EMC test software - TILE
Good People, I specifically did not want to get into code wars, but since other people have intro'd the 'T' vs 'U' argument, I will append to what has been said. CAVEAT: I am NOT an EMC expert, and would not even qualify as a journeyman EMC tech. I have observed some configuration management problems with TILE that were (in my opinion) design-related. I have experienced some support problems with UL stuff. IMO, both systems attempt too much. If one is able and has the time (hah?!?!), I would encourage EMC test labs to base their automation systems on Linux/BSD/Unix boxen - reliable, simple, and timeless. Write small modular test drivers that are specific to your needs, abstract instrument drivers, and use C only if you have multiple years of serious experience (I like to write hardware drivers in C, and all else in Python). luck, Brian From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Bob Richards Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 12:07 PM To: IEEE EMC SAFETY PSTC Subject: RE: EMC test software - TILE I have used both Tile and the UL software. While the Tile package has improved over the years, it is still very user-unfriendly and quirky, IMHO. I worked at UL for 6 years and used the UL software extensively for emissions testing. It, too, has its quirks, but it is a very capable package. As I understand it, the UL software started out as the HP package with extensive modifications and enhancements. The learning curve for either package is steep. If I had to choose between the two, I would go with the UL package. As for immunity, I wrote a lot of software for both conducted and radiated immunity. If you need a good conducted immunity package, check out: http://emc.toprudder.com/software/radcon/index.html It includes some instrument drivers, but it has a facility to allow you to create your own instrument files if you are familiar with the GPIB commands for your instrument. If you use the National Instruments GPIB interface, you can use the NISpy program to view the GPIB commands sent by other programs. Bob Richards, NCT. Ralph McDiarmid ralph.mcdiar...@xantrex.com wrote: This program may have improved immensely since we tried it in 2001. We hated it and so went with UL's after trying a few other demos from other vendors. UL was the closest look and feel to the 1980's HP program which ran on their 300 series computers. Ralph McDiarmid, AScT Compliance Engineering Group Xantrex Technology Inc. From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Ken Javor Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 8:21 AM To: Brian O'Connell; 'IEEE EMC SAFETY PSTC' Subject: Re: EMC test software TILE software: http://www.quantumchange.com/ provides EMC test software for various EMI test equipment, both emissions and immunity systems. From: Brian O'Connell Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:05:56 -0700 To: 'IEEE EMC SAFETY PSTC' Subject: RE: EMC test software All of the major instrument vendors offer test and reporting software, so your selection tends to be determined by the hardware already sitting on the bench. Note that test automation is probably mandatory for GTEM cell tests. My employer bought the emc report generator app from Agilent (I have no major complaints), but the control/automation code is custom in-house stuff, done by a local brilliant programmer (moi). Google for emc test software and become a bit overwhelmed... luck, Brian -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Gordon,Ian Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 4:47 AM To: 'IEEE EMC SAFETY PSTC' Subject: EMC test software All What software packages do people use for radiated + conducted emission and immunity testing? Ian Gordon - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
RE: EMC test software - TILE
Hello, ..and if by chance you happen to come up with an instrument (GPIB based) that TILE does not have a driver for, all you need to do is send the GPIB command list to Mike and he'll make it for you, usually in a couple of days. Same experiance here. Regards, Dave Garnier David Garnier e GE Health Care ___ David S. Garnier Senior Technician Functional CT Engineering 3000 N. Grandview Ave - M/S W-1250 Waukesha, Wi. 53188 Tel: 262.312.7246 Cel: 414.899.7580 _ From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Gary Stuyvenberg Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 5:07 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: EMC test software - TILE Another opinion: As with anything, there is a tradeoff between complexity and flexibility and this is especially true with EMC software. You won't find a more flexible EMC software package than TILE.and really it is pretty straight forward to use. It is based on a GUI interface much like LABVIEW. If you need to do customized EMC test automation, and eventually you will (each industry has it's own quirks), you will not find a better overall package. Mike Hart's support of TILE is second to none in the industry. He has more instrument drivers available than any other package..and if by chance you happen to come up with an instrument (GPIB based) that TILE does not have a driver for, all you need to do is send the GPIB command list to Mike and he'll make it for you, usually in a couple of days. He'll even add custom features and capabilities to TILE for you. He's done these for me on numerous occasions, all at no extra cost. No politics, committee approvals or marketing reviews. You'll be hard pressed to find another EMC software vendor that will do all that. I may sound like I have an affiliation with Quantum Change (TILE), but I do not. I am simply an end user of the product and have experienced the package and unparalleled support first hand. MOOO Gary Stuyvenberg Thompson Consulting _ How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/tagline /postman8/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=39663/*http://voice.yahoo.com call rates. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: EMC test software - TILE
Another advantage. You buy a site license and can use it as often as you want on this site. Best Regards Lothar Schmidt Technical Manager EMC, SAR, OTA CETECOM Inc. 411 Dixon Landing Rd Milpitas, CA 95035 Tel: (408) 586-6214 Email: mailto:lothar.schm...@cetecomusa.com lothar.schm...@cetecomusa.com This e-mail may contain proprietary, privileged and confidential information for the sole use of the named intended recipient. Any review or distribution of this e-mail by any party other than the intended recipient or that person's agent is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete all copies and immediately contact the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. _ From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Gary Stuyvenberg Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 3:07 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: EMC test software - TILE Another opinion: As with anything, there is a tradeoff between complexity and flexibility and this is especially true with EMC software. You won't find a more flexible EMC software package than TILE.and really it is pretty straight forward to use. It is based on a GUI interface much like LABVIEW. If you need to do customized EMC test automation, and eventually you will (each industry has it's own quirks), you will not find a better overall package. Mike Hart's support of TILE is second to none in the industry. He has more instrument drivers available than any other package..and if by chance you happen to come up with an instrument (GPIB based) that TILE does not have a driver for, all you need to do is send the GPIB command list to Mike and he'll make it for you, usually in a couple of days. He'll even add custom features and capabilities to TILE for you. He's done these for me on numerous occasions, all at no extra cost. No politics, committee approvals or marketing reviews. You'll be hard pressed to find another EMC software vendor that will do all that. I may sound like I have an affiliation with Quantum Change (TILE), but I do not. I am simply an end user of the product and have experienced the package and unparalleled support first hand. MOOO Gary Stuyvenberg Thompson Consulting _ How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/tagline /postman8/*http:/us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=39663/*http:/voice.yahoo.com call rates. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/tagl nes/postman8/*http:/us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=39663/*http:/voice.yahoo.com post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://us.rd.yahoo.com/m il_us/taglines/postman8/*http:/us.rd.ya oo.com/evt=39663/*http:/voice.yahoo.com http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/ta lines/postman8/*http:/us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=39663/*http:/voice.yahoo.com rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/tag ines/postman8/*http:/us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=39663/*http:/voice.yahoo.com help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/t glines/postman8/*http:/us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=39663/*http:/voice.yahoo.com Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/tag ines/postman8/*http:/us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=39663/*http:/voice.yahoo.com policy questions, send mail to: Jim http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/tag ines/postman8/*http:/us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=39663/*http:/voice.yahoo.com Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/tag ines/postman8/*http:/us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=39663/*http:/voice.yahoo.com emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/tagline /postman8/*http:/us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=39663/*http:/voice.yahoo.com __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp
RE: EMC test software - TILE
Another opinion: As with anything, there is a tradeoff between complexity and flexibility and this is especially true with EMC software. You won't find a more flexible EMC software package than TILE.and really it is pretty straight forward to use. It is based on a GUI interface much like LABVIEW. If you need to do customized EMC test automation, and eventually you will (each industry has it's own quirks), you will not find a better overall package. Mike Hart's support of TILE is second to none in the industry. He has more instrument drivers available than any other package..and if by chance you happen to come up with an instrument (GPIB based) that TILE does not have a driver for, all you need to do is send the GPIB command list to Mike and he'll make it for you, usually in a couple of days. He'll even add custom features and capabilities to TILE for you. He's done these for me on numerous occasions, all at no extra cost. No politics, committee approvals or marketing reviews. You'll be hard pressed to find another EMC software vendor that will do all that. I may sound like I have an affiliation with Quantum Change (TILE), but I do not. I am simply an end user of the product and have experienced the package and unparalleled support first hand. MOOO Gary Stuyvenberg Thompson Consulting _ How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/tagline /postman8/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=39663/*http://voice.yahoo.com PC-to-Phone call rates. - - -- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
RE: EMC test software - TILE
I have used both Tile and the UL software. While the Tile package has improved over the years, it is still very user-unfriendly and quirky, IMHO. I worked at UL for 6 years and used the UL software extensively for emissions testing. It, too, has its quirks, but it is a very capable package. As I understand it, the UL software started out as the HP package with extensive modifications and enhancements. The learning curve for either package is steep. If I had to choose between the two, I would go with the UL package. As for immunity, I wrote a lot of software for both conducted and radiated immunity. If you need a good conducted immunity package, check out: http://emc.toprudder.com/software/radcon/index.html http://emc.toprudder.com/software/radcon/index.html It includes some instrument drivers, but it has a facility to allow you to create your own instrument files if you are familiar with the GPIB commands for your instrument. If you use the National Instruments GPIB interface, you can use the NISpy program to view the GPIB commands sent by other programs. Bob Richards, NCT. Ralph McDiarmid ralph.mcdiar...@xantrex.com wrote: This program may have improved immensely since we tried it in 2001. We hated it and so went with UL's after trying a few other demos from other vendors. UL was the closest look and feel to the 1980's HP program which ran on their 300 series computers. Ralph McDiarmid, AScT Compliance Engineering Group Xantrex Technology Inc. From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Ken Javor Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 8:21 AM To: Brian O'Connell; 'IEEE EMC SAFETY PSTC' Subject: Re: EMC test software TILE software: http://www.quantumchange.com/ provides EMC test software for various EMI test equipment, both emissions and immunity systems. From: Brian O'Connell Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:05:56 -0700 To: 'IEEE EMC SAFETY PSTC' Subject: RE: EMC test software All of the major instrument vendors offer test and reporting software, so your selection tends to be determined by the hardware already sitting on the bench. Note that test automation is probably mandatory for GTEM cell tests. My employer bought the emc report generator app from Agilent (I have no major complaints), but the control/automation code is custom in-house stuff, done by a local brilliant programmer (moi). Google for emc test software and become a bit overwhelmed... luck, Brian -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Gordon,Ian Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 4:47 AM To: 'IEEE EMC SAFETY PSTC' Subject: EMC test software All What software packages do people use for radiated + conducted emission and immunity testing? Ian Gordon - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee
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We have used UL's EMC test software for several years and found it satisfactory driving our HP8568B test rack for emissions work. It was offered as crippleware demo as well. It's a Basic program running under the HTBasic Interpreter. Ralph McDiarmid, AScT Compliance Engineering Group Xantrex Technology Inc. From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Gordon,Ian Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 4:47 AM To: 'IEEE EMC SAFETY PSTC' Subject: EMC test software All What software packages do people use for radiated + conducted emission and immunity testing? Ian Gordon *** The information contained in this email and any attachments may be confidential and is provided solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, distribution, or use of this e-mail, its attachments or any information contained therein is unauthorised and prohibited. If you have received this in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete this e-mail and any attachments. No responsibility is accepted for any virus or defect that might arise from opening this e-mail or attachments, whether or not it has been checked by anti-virus software. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
RE: EMC test software - TILE
This program may have improved immensely since we tried it in 2001. We hated it and so went with UL's after trying a few other demos from other vendors. UL was the closest look and feel to the 1980's HP program which ran on their 300 series computers. Ralph McDiarmid, AScT Compliance Engineering Group Xantrex Technology Inc. From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Ken Javor Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 8:21 AM To: Brian O'Connell; 'IEEE EMC SAFETY PSTC' Subject: Re: EMC test software TILE software: http://www.quantumchange.com/ provides EMC test software for various EMI test equipment, both emissions and immunity systems. From: Brian O'Connell oconne...@tamuracorp.com Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:05:56 -0700 To: 'IEEE EMC SAFETY PSTC' emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: EMC test software All of the major instrument vendors offer test and reporting software, so your selection tends to be determined by the hardware already sitting on the bench. Note that test automation is probably mandatory for GTEM cell tests. My employer bought the emc report generator app from Agilent (I have no major complaints), but the control/automation code is custom in-house stuff, done by a local brilliant programmer (moi). Google for emc test software and become a bit overwhelmed... luck, Brian -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Gordon,Ian Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 4:47 AM To: 'IEEE EMC SAFETY PSTC' Subject: EMC test software All What software packages do people use for radiated + conducted emission and immunity testing? Ian Gordon - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
RE: EMC test software
Hi Ian, This is only speaking for emissions testing/reporting SW. I have used an application called SoftPlot ( http://www.softplot.com http://www.softplot.com). It works quite well with the 2 SA's that I still have, interfaces well with other types of instruments (including o'scopes other types of analyzers) via a number of interface protocols, and is relatively inexpensive. Best regards, Ron Pickard rpick...@hypercom.com From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Gordon,Ian Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 4:47 AM To: 'IEEE EMC SAFETY PSTC' Subject: EMC test software All What software packages do people use for radiated + conducted emission and immunity testing? Ian Gordon *** The information contained in this email and any attachments may be confidential and is provided solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, distribution, or use of this e-mail, its attachments or any information contained therein is unauthorised and prohibited. If you have received this in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete this e-mail and any attachments. No responsibility is accepted for any virus or defect that might arise from opening this e-mail or attachments, whether or not it has been checked by anti-virus software. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: EMC test software
TILE software: http://www.quantumchange.com/ provides EMC test software for various EMI test equipment, both emissions and immunity systems. From: Brian O'Connell oconne...@tamuracorp.com Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:05:56 -0700 To: 'IEEE EMC SAFETY PSTC' emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: EMC test software All of the major instrument vendors offer test and reporting software, so your selection tends to be determined by the hardware already sitting on the bench. Note that test automation is probably mandatory for GTEM cell tests. My employer bought the emc report generator app from Agilent (I have no major complaints), but the control/automation code is custom in-house stuff, done by a local brilliant programmer (moi). Google for emc test software and become a bit overwhelmed... luck, Brian -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Gordon,Ian Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 4:47 AM To: 'IEEE EMC SAFETY PSTC' Subject: EMC test software All What software packages do people use for radiated + conducted emission and immunity testing? Ian Gordon - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
RE: EMC test software
All of the major instrument vendors offer test and reporting software, so your selection tends to be determined by the hardware already sitting on the bench. Note that test automation is probably mandatory for GTEM cell tests. My employer bought the emc report generator app from Agilent (I have no major complaints), but the control/automation code is custom in-house stuff, done by a local brilliant programmer (moi). Google for emc test software and become a bit overwhelmed... luck, Brian -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Gordon,Ian Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 4:47 AM To: 'IEEE EMC SAFETY PSTC' Subject: EMC test software All What software packages do people use for radiated + conducted emission and immunity testing? Ian Gordon - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
RE: EMC modeling software/freeware
I can recommend this one, I used it for many years. Very good demo version too. http://www.catena.uk.com/ Ralph McDiarmid, AScT Compliance Engineering Group Xantrex Technology Inc. From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of bob.edwa...@invensys.com Sent: September 20, 2005 1:05 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: EMC modeling software/freeware Doug, Many EMC issues can be modelled using a circuit simulator like this one available for free at http://www.linear.com/company/software.jsp Regards, Bob Edwards, Product Compliance Technical Authority Westinghouse Rail Systems Ltd., Chippenham, Wilts, U.K. Tel: (0)1249-441544 Fax: (0)1249-442662 - 2005 IEEE Symposium on Product Safety Engineering 3-4 October Schaumburg, IL http://www.ieee-pses.org/symposium This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwellmcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - 2005 IEEE Symposium on Product Safety Engineering 3-4 October Schaumburg, IL http://www.ieee-pses.org/symposium This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwellmcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: EMC modeling software/freeware
Doug, Many EMC issues can be modelled using a circuit simulator like this one available for free at http://www.linear.com/company/software.jsp Regards, Bob Edwards, Product Compliance Technical Authority Westinghouse Rail Systems Ltd., Chippenham, Wilts, U.K. Tel: (0)1249-441544 Fax: (0)1249-442662 - 2005 IEEE Symposium on Product Safety Engineering 3-4 October Schaumburg, IL http://www.ieee-pses.org/symposium This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwellmcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: EMC modeling software/freeware
Clayton Paul's books are all excellent. For this class his Introduction to Electromagnetic Compatibility makes an excellent text. Ghery S. Pettit From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of John Woodgate Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 11:23 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: EMC modeling software/freeware Robert A. Macy m...@california.com wrote (in web-102014...@california.com) about 'EMC modeling software/freeware', on Mon, 19 Sep 2005: Or, maybe selected works from Doug Smith Not 'or, 'and'. But try to get Ott, as a reference work, if at all possible. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. Deadlines are 90% of deadliness. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk - 2005 IEEE Symposium on Product Safety Engineering 3-4 October Schaumburg, IL http://www.ieee-pses.org/symposium This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwellmcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - 2005 IEEE Symposium on Product Safety Engineering 3-4 October Schaumburg, IL http://www.ieee-pses.org/symposium This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwellmcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: EMC modeling software/freeware
Robert A. Macy m...@california.com wrote (in web-102014...@california.com) about 'EMC modeling software/freeware', on Mon, 19 Sep 2005: Or, maybe selected works from Doug Smith Not 'or, 'and'. But try to get Ott, as a reference work, if at all possible. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. Deadlines are 90% of deadliness. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk - 2005 IEEE Symposium on Product Safety Engineering 3-4 October Schaumburg, IL http://www.ieee-pses.org/symposium This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwellmcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: EMC modeling software/freeware
Or, maybe selected works from Doug Smith Howard Johnson - Robert - On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 18:54:27 +0100 John Woodgate j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk wrote: Doug Kramer dkra...@nceelabs.com wrote (in gaepjamldflnleblofneceeneeaa.dkra...@nceelabs.com) about 'EMC modeling software/freeware', on Mon, 19 Sep 2005: As an additional thought, I would be very curious to hear the different opinions of the collective on the various EMC textbooks available too, without flames. Tim Williams' books have a very good reputation, and I would support that. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. Deadlines are 90% of deadliness. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk - 2005 IEEE Symposium on Product Safety Engineering 3-4 October Schaumburg, IL http://www.ieee-pses.org/symposium - 2005 IEEE Symposium on Product Safety Engineering 3-4 October Schaumburg, IL http://www.ieee-pses.org/symposium This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwellmcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: EMC modeling software/freeware
Doug Kramer dkra...@nceelabs.com wrote (in gaepjamldflnleblofneceeneeaa.dkra...@nceelabs.com) about 'EMC modeling software/freeware', on Mon, 19 Sep 2005: As an additional thought, I would be very curious to hear the different opinions of the collective on the various EMC textbooks available too, without flames. Tim Williams' books have a very good reputation, and I would support that. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. Deadlines are 90% of deadliness. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk - 2005 IEEE Symposium on Product Safety Engineering 3-4 October Schaumburg, IL http://www.ieee-pses.org/symposium This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwellmcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: EMC simulation software
fyi... Attached is a note I've sent to Sergio regarding EMC Simulation Software, I thought the group could benefit from the information. - Forwarded by Scott Mee/NA/Johnson_Controls on 09/02/2003 10:57 AM Scott Mee To: sergio.lou...@siemens.com 08/27/2003 11:24 cc: AM Subject: Re: EMC simulation software(Document link: Scott Mee) Sergio, I apologize for the late reply, however, I have some information that may be of use to you. We have been using the Omega PLUS software for board level analysis for roughly 1.5 years. We use the software for a number of purposes: 1) Cross-talk analysis 2) Signal Integrity Analysis 3) E/H Field 2D Analysis One of the nice features it has is the running database. It keeps track of all of your component models so that you don't have to rebuild them each time you simulate boards. As you build the database, simulations become quick and easy since the software recalls the components from that database. We've found good correlation between our product measurements and the simulation results. We also use the tool as a part of our design process to help us make decisions on which layout techniques will result in lower emissions. Additionally, the technical support is wonderful! I can provide more information as needed, or answer any questions. Please let me know. Best Regards, Scott Mee Johnson Controls Inc. Automotive Systems Group EMC Product Compliance 616.394.2565 scott@jci.com sergio.loures@siemens. com To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Sent by: cc: owner-emc-pstc@majordoSubject: EMC simulation software mo.ieee.org 08/14/2003 07:19 PM Please respond to sergio.loures ?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office /Hi all, I have just downloaded an evaluation copy of the Omega PLUS software, from Quantic-EMC, for EMC simulations and it seems to be a good software. Has someone an opinion of this product? What similar software do you suggest? Regards Sérgio L. Rocha Loures IC SC QP Q - Quality Assurance Supply Chain - Quality and Processes SIEMENS (Tel: +55 41 341-5898 ÊFax: +55 41 341-5058 *sergio.lou...@siemens.com Minha opinião e não necessariamente a do meu empregador. This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc
Re: EMC Automation software
Ron, We also use TILE and highly recommend it. It's an amazing piece of automation software that works well with our HP, Sunol, and AR equipment. The technical support is also outstanding. Best regards, Dave Lorusso Alcatel USA Dale Albright wrote: Ron, I have used TILE (Totally Integrated Laboratory Environment) for almost 5 years. It is an outstanding package for automation. I have dealt with just about every vendor in the EMI business, and Quantum Change (Mike Hart and Bill Scheer) have exceeded, by far, the best technical and product update support. I use the software for radiated and conducted emissions and immunity, cable and antenna calibrations, NSA, site checks, shielding effectiveness, etc. You can reach Mike or Bill at 215-674-8845 or look at Quantumchange.com. Dale. -Original Message- From: ron_cher...@densolabs.com ron_cher...@densolabs.com To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Date: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 3:51 PM Subject: EMC Automation software I am looking for PC based EMC Automation software for an anechoic chamber for FCC part 15 class B testing. I have HP analyzers. I would also like the software to do automated NSA meaurements. Ron Chernus, Associate Test Engineer, DVT Denso International Carlsbad, California, USA - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: EMC Automation software
Ron, I have used TILE (Totally Integrated Laboratory Environment) for almost 5 years. It is an outstanding package for automation. I have dealt with just about every vendor in the EMI business, and Quantum Change (Mike Hart and Bill Scheer) have exceeded, by far, the best technical and product update support. I use the software for radiated and conducted emissions and immunity, cable and antenna calibrations, NSA, site checks, shielding effectiveness, etc. You can reach Mike or Bill at 215-674-8845 or look at Quantumchange.com. Dale. -Original Message- From: ron_cher...@densolabs.com ron_cher...@densolabs.com To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 3:51 PM Subject: EMC Automation software I am looking for PC based EMC Automation software for an anechoic chamber for FCC part 15 class B testing. I have HP analyzers. I would also like the software to do automated NSA meaurements. Ron Chernus, Associate Test Engineer, DVT Denso International Carlsbad, California, USA - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: EMC and Software
Bob, In my experience in the commercial computing arena at NCR I have found that software can definitely influence radiated emissions. My experience is in very high speed digital systems. In systems where the dominant EMI sources are from the I/O signals on cables, then the bit pattern of that signal has a big influence on radiated emissions. The bit pattern is determined by software, or firmware, or some set of computer instructions. For example, I have a very high speed digital system that idles with a bit pattern that is much like a repetitive clock pulse. It produces a very strong emission at its characteristic frequency. However, when the system is truly operating and sending real data, the signal bit patterns on the cables are much more complex, producing a much richer spectrum of radiated emissions, but with the peaks many dB lower than the idle pattern's peak. In this case, the software has a real influence on the emissions spectrum. I think that if you had a system that had noisier boards, so that an important EMI source were common-mode signals on the ground plane from clock signals (a common problem), then software activity may have much less effect on radiated emissions. Yes, the effects are system dependent, but for some categories of systems, software activity is an important ingredient in producing radiated emissions. I have another example! We use arrays of disk drive storage (many gigabytes) in our systems. Typically, these arrays are driven by SCSI cables. We have found over the years that we should run software programs that try to maximize disk activity (reads and writes) when performing EMI compliance tests. We usually get stronger emissions when the drives are very active. This is another example of software influencing radiated emissions. This is a bit of a ramble, but I hope the thoughts are helpful to you. Jim Dr. Jim Knightene-mail: jlknigh...@ieee.org Senior Consulting Engineer NCR 17095 Via del Campo San Diego, CA 92127 http://www.ncr.com Tel: 619-485-2537 Fax: 619-485-3788 -- From: rehel...@mmm.com Sent: Monday, March 01, 1999 10:30 AM To: Knighten, Jim Cc: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: EMC and Software Sorry for not being clear: I have received and read a fair amount of data on the containment and recovery from ESD spikes through the use of software. Can software also control and/or limit the amount of emissions from equipment? Harmonics? Voltage variations? I know the question is broad and the answers may be equipment specific. But when software and hardware design engineers get together on a design, are there any general rules of thumb or specifics that they should be aware of in terms of EMC? Thanks again, Bob Heller === === Knighten, Jim knigh...@trans.sandiegoca.ncr.com on 03/01/99 11:54:44 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Robert E. Heller/US-Corporate/3M/US cc: Subject: RE: EMC and Software Bob, Before I respond to this, could you please elaborate a little. I am not certain I understand what you are asking for? Jim Knighten Dr. Jim Knighten e-mail: jlknigh...@ieee.org Senior Consulting Engineer NCR 17095 Via del Campo San Diego, CA 92127 http://www.ncr.com Tel: 619-485-2537 Fax: 619-485-3788 -- From: rehel...@mmm.com Sent: Monday, March 01, 1999 6:03 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: EMC and Software Could someone provide their knowledge of or resources for the control or mitigation of EMI through the use of software? Thanks, Bob Heller 3M Company - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: EMC and Software
In message 86256727.004c9043...@em-stpmta-01.mmm.com rehel...@mmm.com writes: Could someone provide their knowledge of or resources for the control or mitigation of EMI through the use of software? Bob and EMC-PSTC colleagues: There was an excellent colloquium on this subject at the IEE in London last November. I am appending below a copy of the announcement (which did appear here last year), and the IEE or Richard Marshall may be able to provide copies of the digest. -- Bill Lyons - b...@lyons.demon.co.uk / w.ly...@ieee.org ELECTROMAGNETIC COMPATIBILITY OF SOFTWARE IEE, Savoy Place, London WC2R 0BL, UK Thursday, 12 November 1998 Colloquium organised by IEE Professional Group E2 (Electromagnetic compatibility). Co-sponsored by the British Computer Society. Appropriate software resilience can significantly improve the immunity of computer based hardware that must operate despite electromagnetic interference. Input, output and network connections pose particular problems. In cost-sensitive applications the requirement for filtering and shielding can be reduced, and in high integrity systems software can help ensure fault-tolerant or fail-safe response to extreme electromagnetic stress. Accordingly the Colloquium will address the software design techniques that can improve immunity to lightning and electrostatic discharge, to radiation from cellular phones and other transmitters and to mains-borne interference. Software design to minimise emissions will be of interest. Closely related hardware such as watchdog circuits will be covered. Contributions covering the interaction between software resilience and EMC testing will be welcomed, as will descriptions of new developments and tutorial papers. Special provision will be made for short contributions describing specific problems and their solutions. For details of attendance at the Colloquium, contact The Institution of Electrical Engineers, Savoy Place, London WC2R 0BL, UK Tel: +44 171 240 1871 ext 2205 or 2206 +44 171 836 0313 (recorded announcements re meeting changes) Fax: +44 171 240 7735 email: confere...@iee.org.uk URL: http://www.iee.org.uk/ Although the formal deadline (14 August 1998) for submissions has passed, a late contribution may be possible by submitting a synopsis to: Richard C Marshall The Dappled House, 30 Ox Lane, Harpenden, Herts AL5 4HE, U.K. Tel: +44 1582 460 815 email: richard.marsh...@lineone.net N.B. In response to queries in the EMC-PSTC mailing list (for details of this list see section 1.4 of the s.e.e.c FAQ), Richard responded with the following FAQs: Readers have asked: * If they can get the colloquium papers? The answer is yes, after the event, and at a charge. Email me at richard.marsh...@lineone.net if you want details in November. * What is it all about? Two examples: * Software filtering of inputs. I have recently done a fast-transient test to IEC801-4 on a microprocessor based product that serves two different functions according to the position of a remote switch. It failed the test, jumping from one function to the other when the test was applied. (The IEC801-4 bursts are quite brief but recur every 300 ms during the test). If the software had been written to wait and check again, say 200 ms after the switch appeared to have changed, that it was indeed still changed, then the product would have been immune to this interference. The resulting delay in responding to the switch would not have mattered in this application and a few extra lines of code cost nothing when the device is in quantity production. * Reset and restart after program corruption Watchdogs are actually quite difficult to design, but a good one can ensure that a product recovers without any help from the user after impulsive interference - fast transient or ESD - which can change the failure from performance criterion A to performance criterion B in EN50082-1. Now, have readers any experiences of this sort of software design/EMC interaction that they could share? If so I would like to hear them!. Richard Marshall Richard Marshall Limited, Herts., UK Analogue rf design; EMC; Safety Critical Systems (see above for address, phone email details) - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Fw: RE: EMC and Software
Posted for Jim Knighten: From: Knighten, Jim knigh...@trans.sandiegoca.ncr.com Subject: RE: EMC and Software Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 09:54:44 -0800 To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org, rehel...@mmm.com Bob, Before I respond to this, could you please elaborate a little. I am not certain I understand what you are asking for? Jim Knighten Dr. Jim Knighten e-mail: jlknigh...@ieee.org Senior Consulting Engineer NCR 17095 Via del Campo San Diego, CA 92127 http://www.ncr.com Tel: 619-485-2537 Fax: 619-485-3788 -- From: rehel...@mmm.com Sent: Monday, March 01, 1999 6:03 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: EMC and Software Could someone provide their knowledge of or resources for the control or mitigation of EMI through the use of software? Thanks, Bob Heller 3M Company -- Ed Price ed.pr...@cubic.com Electromagnetic Compatibility Lab Cubic Defense Systems San Diego, CA. USA 619-505-2780 List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: 03/01/1999 Time: 10:12:22 -- - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Fw: RE: EMC and Software
Posted for Bruce Hunter: From: Bruce Hunter bru...@thomson-csf.com.au Subject: RE: EMC and Software Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 07:54:15 +1100 (EST) To: rehel...@mmm.com Cc: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org On Mon, 1 Mar 1999 rehel...@mmm.com wrote: Sorry for not being clear: I have received and read a fair amount of data on the containment and recovery from ESD spikes through the use of software. Can software also control and/or limit the amount of emissions from equipment? Harmonics? Voltage variations? I know the question is broad and the answers may be equipment specific. But when software and hardware design engineers get together on a design, are there any general rules of thumb or specifics that they should be aware of in terms of EMC? There are various software techniques to filters the effects of transients and interference on input circuits with embedded software based products. There range from averaging, successive sampling and comparison through to signal analysis and recovery. One important rule of thumb is that software cannot recover information where it doesn't exist. On the issue of ESD spikes, its seems that you are trying to recover from a software crash induced by hardware susceptibility to transients. There are various techniques that can be used from watchdog timers, program boundary checking, cyclic reset and run operation etc. If the failure can result in a hazardous condition rather than an unreliable product then you have a different and a more serious problem. In this case you would need to establish and prove the safe operation of this product by formal management of the functional safety of the product. You can look at IEC61508 (Functional safety of electrical/ electronic/ programmable electronic safety related systems) for guidance here. Part 6 of this standard has a good library of techniques to handle software and hardware failures. UL1998 also has a list of useful measures to address the results of hardware failures and malfunctions on software. I hope this helps... Bruce Hunter email: bru...@thomson-csf.com.au Thomson-CSF Pacific Phone: +61 2 9981 0630 Fax: +61 2 9971 1759 176 South Creek Road, Dee Why, NSW 2099, Australia ---End of Original Message- -- Ed Price ed.pr...@cubic.com Electromagnetic Compatibility Lab Cubic Defense Systems San Diego, CA. USA 619-505-2780 List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: 03/01/1999 Time: 13:01:59 -- - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
