Re: Telecommunications Vs. ITE Product
Hi Gregg: > Let me start by asking one simple question - WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF > CERTIFICATION? > > 1- to meet the legal requirement > 2- help market the product > 3- do the 'right thing' > 4- not to kill anyone > 5- make sure that the product is nor recalled > > > Most companies will answer (4) to "make sure the product is not recalled". > This is a GOOD answer - it may not optimized, in terms of immediate cost, > but this is the one that I would opt for - particularly if I wanted to sleep > at night. This is what the certification house would like you to believe. However, the process of certification is a simple matter of checking off requirements. (Have you looked at a CB Test Report lately?) There is very little further looking for hazards, (and there is a great deal of nit-picking for compliance). So, certification means compliance with the standard. To accomplish #4, the standard must be omniscient. Mere mortals put the standard together. We wouldn't certify products if there wasn't a legal requirement to do so. But, I agree that we expect a lot more from certification than meeting legal requirements. However, we don't get more than compliance to the standard. Best regards, Rich --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
RE: Telecommunications Vs. ITE Product
Hi Dereck Let me start by asking one simple question - WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF CERTIFICATION? 1- to meet the legal requirement 2- help market the product 3- do the 'right thing' 4- not to kill anyone 5- make sure that the product is nor recalled Most companies will answer (4) to "make sure the product is not recalled". This is a GOOD answer - it may not optimized, in terms of immediate cost, but this is the one that I would opt for - particularly if I wanted to sleep at night. Support the product causes problems in 'associated' applications - will there be complaints? Will there be good or bad PR? Will it be easy to market the product? What about the EU phrase "reasonable use - foreseeable misuse"? In this scenario the outcome, following an up-help complaint, could be an enforced product recall across the EU. Hopefully these questions will provide a different (if not correct or optimized) vantage point from which to address your original question. Best regards Gregg --Original Message- -From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org -[mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Plante, Dereck -Raymond (Dereck) -Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 11:35 AM -To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org -Subject: Telecommunications Vs. ITE Product - - - - -My fellow compliance engineer and I are having a discussion -about whether a -product needs to meet the Telecommunications standard -EN300-386 or the ITE -standard EN55024. - -If a product is a test/development/simulation device to be used in a -Telecommunications environment, and its intended application is a -telecommunications market, but it is not actually hooked up to -the network, -then what standard would you test it too??? - -The reason for this question, is that this device would not -necessarily be -strictly Telco Center and so therefore if it were required to -meet EN300-386 -then it would have to be Non-Telco which calls out Class B limits for -Radiated Emissions. - -Any thoughts. - -Dereck - - - - - - - -Dereck R. Plante -Compliance Engineer -Lucent Technologies -Switching Solutions Group, OPENet Solutions -255 Independence Drive -Hyannis, MA 02601-1854 -(508) 862-3302 - - - - -This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety -Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. - -Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ - -To cancel your subscription, send mail to: - majord...@ieee.org -with the single line: - unsubscribe emc-pstc - -For help, send mail to the list administrators: - Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org - Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net - -For policy questions, send mail to: - Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org - Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org - -All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: -No longer online until our new server is brought online -and the old messages are imported into the new server. - --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
RE: Telecommunications Vs. ITE Product
I am going to make some assumptions. I am keying in on what you said - "it is not actually hooked up to the network." I therefore assume that the device in question connects to a port of a telecom device that is connected to the network. The device in question is not required for the telecom device to function, but is only used to "test/develop/simulate" the telecom equipment. I will assume that the primary function of the device is to process data (in and/or out), so I conclude that the device is ITE. Richard Woods Sensormatic Electronics Tyco International -Original Message- From: Plante, Dereck Raymond (Dereck) [mailto:drpla...@lucent.com] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 11:35 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Telecommunications Vs. ITE Product My fellow compliance engineer and I are having a discussion about whether a product needs to meet the Telecommunications standard EN300-386 or the ITE standard EN55024. If a product is a test/development/simulation device to be used in a Telecommunications environment, and its intended application is a telecommunications market, but it is not actually hooked up to the network, then what standard would you test it too??? The reason for this question, is that this device would not necessarily be strictly Telco Center and so therefore if it were required to meet EN300-386 then it would have to be Non-Telco which calls out Class B limits for Radiated Emissions. Any thoughts. Dereck Dereck R. Plante Compliance Engineer Lucent Technologies Switching Solutions Group, OPENet Solutions 255 Independence Drive Hyannis, MA 02601-1854 (508) 862-3302 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
