Re: [PSES] 230V 3-phase in Europe

2017-08-07 Thread Boštjan Glavič 
Hi John,

I believe IT system in Norway is still in use since they declared national 
difference to new hazard based EN 62368-1 standard with below text:

Norway: After the 3rd paragraph the following is added: Due to the IT power 
system used, capacitors are required to be rated for the applicable 
line-to-line voltage (230 V).

Best regards,
Bostjan

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Subject: Re: [PSES] 230V 3-phase in Europe

Many years ago, there were all sorts of systems still in use, even 230 V DC in 
one part of London.

As far as I can find out, the Norwegian 230 V IT system is no longer in use.

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Subject: RE: [PSES] 230V 3-phase in Europe

John W

I think you are probably correct, but I also seem to remember that – many years 
ago – some parts some parts of Europe used a 127V/230V Star/Wye system.

John E Allen
W. London, UK

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Subject: Re: [PSES] 230V 3-phase in Europe

You are quite right; the household supply is 230/400V.  I suspect that the 
product description is wrong. 133/230 V isn’t used anywhere in the world, I 
think.

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Subject: [PSES] 230V 3-phase in Europe

Greetings.

Sorry if this is a stupid question (I’ve asked more than I’m allowed, I’m 
sure), but in Europe, is there 230 volt 3-phase (230 volt line to line)?  I 
thought 230 volt single phase was derived from 380V 3-phase (230V from Line to 
Neutral).

I see a 230V 3-phase saw with a CE marking and I was wondering if this product 
can actually be used in Europe.

Thanks for any info.  Don’t beat up the yank too much.

The Other Brian

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Re: [PSES] 230V 3-phase in Europe

2017-08-07 Thread Ted Eckert 
You don’t need to go to Wikipedia. Apparently, the laws of Australia are 
permitted to contradict the laws of mathematics. Australian Prime Minister 
Malcolm Turnbull has asked software companies to provide a backdoor into their 
operating systems for the Australian government to use. Security experts 
informed him that the laws of mathematics guaranteed that any backdoor open to 
a government could be used by hackers. The PM seemed convinced that this was 
incorrect.

He stated “The laws of Australia prevail in Australia, I can assure you of 
that. The laws of mathematics are very commendable but the only law that 
applies in Australia is the law of Australia.”

The full press release is 
here.<https://www.pm.gov.au/media/2017-07-14/press-conference-attorney-general-senator-hon-george-brandis-qc-and-acting>

Ted Eckert
Microsoft Corporation

The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my 
employer or the government of Austrialia

From: Doug Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com]
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Subject: Re: [PSES] 230V 3-phase in Europe

Actually, I think if you go to Wikipedia and re-write the laws of physics, it 
could be anything you want. :)


Best,  Doug
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Unless the European Commission has changed the square-root of 3, the system is 
127/220.

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Subject: Re: [PSES] 230V 3-phase in Europe

That’s correct John, and some old houses still have 127/230 (Belgium).
My home has now 400/230 Y thus with Neutral.

Best regards
Kris Carpentier,

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John W

I think you are probably correct, but I also seem to remember that – many years 
ago – some parts some parts of Europe used a 127V/230V Star/Wye system.

John E Allen
W. London, UK

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Subject: Re: [PSES] 230V 3-phase in Europe

You are quite right; the household supply is 230/400V.  I suspect that the 
product description is wrong. 133/230 V isn’t used anywhere in the world, I 
think.

With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO – Own Opinions Only
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Subject: [PSES] 230V 3-phase in Europe

Greetings.

Sorry if this is a stupid question (I’ve asked more than I’m allowed, I’m 
sure), but in Europe, is there 230 volt 3-phase (230 volt line to line)?  I 
thought 230 volt single phase was derived from 380V 3-phase (230V from Line to 
Neutral).

I see a 230V 3-phase saw with a CE marking and I was wondering if this product 
can actually be used in Europe.

Thanks for any info.  Don’t beat up the yank too much.

The Other Brian

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Re: [PSES] 230V 3-phase in Europe

2017-08-07 Thread john Allen 
“Somehow”, I think that will not happen – the “Scientific community “ would not 
permit it!

To those who think otherwise I say “beware of what you wish for because it may 
then come true” (to the UK members - think “JC” and Venezuela, maybe?)

 

John E Allen

W. London, UK

 

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Actually, I think if you go to Wikipedia and re-write the laws of physics, it 
could be anything you want. :) 

 

 

Best,  Doug


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Unless the European Commission has changed the square-root of 3, the system is 
127/220.

 

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That’s correct John, and some old houses still have 127/230 (Belgium).

My home has now 400/230 Y thus with Neutral.

 

Best regards

Kris Carpentier, 

 

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John W

 

I think you are probably correct, but I also seem to remember that – many years 
ago – some parts some parts of Europe used a 127V/230V Star/Wye system.

 

John E Allen

W. London, UK

 

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Subject: Re: [PSES] 230V 3-phase in Europe

 

You are quite right; the household supply is 230/400V.  I suspect that the 
product description is wrong. 133/230 V isn’t used anywhere in the world, I 
think.

 

With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO – Own Opinions Only

 <http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk/> www.jmwa.demon.co.uk J M Woodgate and 
Associates Rayleigh England

 

Sylvae in aeternum manent.

 

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Subject: [PSES] 230V 3-phase in Europe

 

Greetings.  

 

Sorry if this is a stupid question (I’ve asked more than I’m allowed, I’m 
sure), but in Europe, is there 230 volt 3-phase (230 volt line to line)?  I 
thought 230 volt single phase was derived from 380V 3-phase (230V from Line to 
Neutral).   

 

I see a 230V 3-phase saw with a CE marking and I was wondering if this product 
can actually be used in Europe.

 

Thanks for any info.  Don’t beat up the yank too much.

 

The Other Brian

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Re: [PSES] 230V 3-phase in Europe

2017-08-07 Thread john Allen 
Kris

Thanks – I seemed to remember that Belgium was/is the country where the 
127/220V system still exists, but could not be certain and so did not mention 
that.

 

John E Allen

W. London, UK

 

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Sent: 07 August 2017 20:52
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Subject: Re: [PSES] 230V 3-phase in Europe

 

That’s correct John, and some old houses still have 127/230 (Belgium).

My home has now 400/230 Y thus with Neutral.

 

Best regards

Kris Carpentier, 

 

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Sent: maandag 7 augustus 2017 21:39
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Subject: Re: [PSES] 230V 3-phase in Europe

 

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John W

 

I think you are probably correct, but I also seem to remember that – many years 
ago – some parts some parts of Europe used a 127V/230V Star/Wye system.

 

John E Allen

W. London, UK

 

From: John Woodgate [mailto:jmw1...@btinternet.com] 
Sent: 07 August 2017 20:25
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] 230V 3-phase in Europe

 

You are quite right; the household supply is 230/400V.  I suspect that the 
product description is wrong. 133/230 V isn’t used anywhere in the world, I 
think.

 

With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO – Own Opinions Only

 <http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk/> www.jmwa.demon.co.uk J M Woodgate and 
Associates Rayleigh England

 

Sylvae in aeternum manent.

 

From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] 
Sent: 07 August 2017 19:50
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] 230V 3-phase in Europe

 

Greetings.  

 

Sorry if this is a stupid question (I’ve asked more than I’m allowed, I’m 
sure), but in Europe, is there 230 volt 3-phase (230 volt line to line)?  I 
thought 230 volt single phase was derived from 380V 3-phase (230V from Line to 
Neutral).   

 

I see a 230V 3-phase saw with a CE marking and I was wondering if this product 
can actually be used in Europe.

 

Thanks for any info.  Don’t beat up the yank too much.

 

The Other Brian

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Re: [PSES] 230V 3-phase in Europe

2017-08-07 Thread Doug Powell 
  Actually, I think if you go to Wikipedia and re-write the laws of physics, it could be anything you want. :)   Best,  Doug   From: jmw1...@btinternet.comSent: August 7, 2017 2:01 PMTo: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGReply-to: jmw1...@btinternet.comSubject: Re: [PSES] 230V 3-phase in Europe  Unless the European Commission has changed the square-root of 3, the system is 127/220. With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO – Own Opinions Onlywww.jmwa.demon.co.uk J M Woodgate and Associates Rayleigh England Sylvae in aeternum manent. From: Carpentier Kristiaan [mailto:kristiaan.carpent...@technicolor.com] Sent: 07 August 2017 20:52To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGSubject: Re: [PSES] 230V 3-phase in Europe That’s correct John, and some old houses still have 127/230 (Belgium).My home has now 400/230 Y thus with Neutral. Best regardsKris Carpentier,  From: john Allen [mailto:09cc677f395b-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org] Sent: maandag 7 augustus 2017 21:39To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGSubject: Re: [PSES] 230V 3-phase in Europe ** WARNING: This mail is from an external source ** John W I think you are probably correct, but I also seem to remember that – many years ago – some parts some parts of Europe used a 127V/230V Star/Wye system. John E AllenW. London, UK From: John Woodgate [mailto:jmw1...@btinternet.com] Sent: 07 August 2017 20:25To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGSubject: Re: [PSES] 230V 3-phase in Europe You are quite right; the household supply is 230/400V.  I suspect that the product description is wrong. 133/230 V isn’t used anywhere in the world, I think. With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO – Own Opinions Onlywww.jmwa.demon.co.uk J M Woodgate and Associates Rayleigh England Sylvae in aeternum manent. From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] Sent: 07 August 2017 19:50To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGSubject: [PSES] 230V 3-phase in Europe Greetings.   Sorry if this is a stupid question (I’ve asked more than I’m allowed, I’m sure), but in Europe, is there 230 volt 3-phase (230 volt line to line)?  I thought 230 volt single phase was derived from 380V 3-phase (230V from Line to Neutral).    I see a 230V 3-phase saw with a CE marking and I was wondering if this product can actually be used in Europe. Thanks for any info.  Don’t beat up the yank too much. The Other BrianLECO Corporation Notice: This communication may contain confidential information intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you received this by mistake, please destroy it and notify us of the error. Thank you. -This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org>All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.htmlAttachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators:Scott Douglas <sdoug...@ieee.org>Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to:Jim Bacher <j.bac...@ieee.org>David Heald <dhe...@gmail.com> -This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org>All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.htmlAttachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators:Scott Douglas <sdoug...@ieee.org>Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to:Jim Bacher <j.bac...@ieee.org>David Heald <dhe...@gmail.com> -This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org>All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.htmlAttachments are not per

Re: [PSES] 230V 3-phase in Europe

2017-08-07 Thread john Allen 
John W

 

Again, you are correct – it was a lo….ng time ago! J

 

John E Allen

W.  London, UK

 

From: John Woodgate [mailto:jmw1...@btinternet.com] 
Sent: 07 August 2017 21:01
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] 230V 3-phase in Europe

 

Unless the European Commission has changed the square-root of 3, the system is 
127/220.

 

With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO – Own Opinions Only

 <http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk/> www.jmwa.demon.co.uk J M Woodgate and 
Associates Rayleigh England

 

Sylvae in aeternum manent.

 

From: Carpentier Kristiaan [mailto:kristiaan.carpent...@technicolor.com] 
Sent: 07 August 2017 20:52
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] 230V 3-phase in Europe

 

That’s correct John, and some old houses still have 127/230 (Belgium).

My home has now 400/230 Y thus with Neutral.

 

Best regards

Kris Carpentier, 

 

From: john Allen [mailto:09cc677f395b-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org] 
Sent: maandag 7 augustus 2017 21:39
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Subject: Re: [PSES] 230V 3-phase in Europe

 

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John W

 

I think you are probably correct, but I also seem to remember that – many years 
ago – some parts some parts of Europe used a 127V/230V Star/Wye system.

 

John E Allen

W. London, UK

 

From: John Woodgate [mailto:jmw1...@btinternet.com] 
Sent: 07 August 2017 20:25
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] 230V 3-phase in Europe

 

You are quite right; the household supply is 230/400V.  I suspect that the 
product description is wrong. 133/230 V isn’t used anywhere in the world, I 
think.

 

With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO – Own Opinions Only

 <http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk/> www.jmwa.demon.co.uk J M Woodgate and 
Associates Rayleigh England

 

Sylvae in aeternum manent.

 

From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] 
Sent: 07 August 2017 19:50
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Subject: [PSES] 230V 3-phase in Europe

 

Greetings.  

 

Sorry if this is a stupid question (I’ve asked more than I’m allowed, I’m 
sure), but in Europe, is there 230 volt 3-phase (230 volt line to line)?  I 
thought 230 volt single phase was derived from 380V 3-phase (230V from Line to 
Neutral).   

 

I see a 230V 3-phase saw with a CE marking and I was wondering if this product 
can actually be used in Europe.

 

Thanks for any info.  Don’t beat up the yank too much.

 

The Other Brian

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Re: [PSES] 230V 3-phase in Europe

2017-08-07 Thread John Woodgate 
Unless the European Commission has changed the square-root of 3, the system is 
127/220.
 
With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO – Own Opinions Only
 <http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk/> www.jmwa.demon.co.uk J M Woodgate and 
Associates Rayleigh England
 
Sylvae in aeternum manent.
 
From: Carpentier Kristiaan [mailto:kristiaan.carpent...@technicolor.com] 
Sent: 07 August 2017 20:52
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] 230V 3-phase in Europe
 
That’s correct John, and some old houses still have 127/230 (Belgium).
My home has now 400/230 Y thus with Neutral.
 
Best regards
Kris Carpentier, 
 
From: john Allen [mailto:09cc677f395b-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org] 
Sent: maandag 7 augustus 2017 21:39
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John W
 
I think you are probably correct, but I also seem to remember that – many years 
ago – some parts some parts of Europe used a 127V/230V Star/Wye system.
 
John E Allen
W. London, UK
 
From: John Woodgate [mailto:jmw1...@btinternet.com] 
Sent: 07 August 2017 20:25
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> 
Subject: Re: [PSES] 230V 3-phase in Europe
 
You are quite right; the household supply is 230/400V.  I suspect that the 
product description is wrong. 133/230 V isn’t used anywhere in the world, I 
think.
 
With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO – Own Opinions Only
 <http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk/> www.jmwa.demon.co.uk J M Woodgate and 
Associates Rayleigh England
 
Sylvae in aeternum manent.
 
From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] 
Sent: 07 August 2017 19:50
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> 
Subject: [PSES] 230V 3-phase in Europe
 
Greetings.  
 
Sorry if this is a stupid question (I’ve asked more than I’m allowed, I’m 
sure), but in Europe, is there 230 volt 3-phase (230 volt line to line)?  I 
thought 230 volt single phase was derived from 380V 3-phase (230V from Line to 
Neutral).   
 
I see a 230V 3-phase saw with a CE marking and I was wondering if this product 
can actually be used in Europe.
 
Thanks for any info.  Don’t beat up the yank too much.
 
The Other Brian
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Re: [PSES] 230V 3-phase in Europe

2017-08-07 Thread John Woodgate 
Many years ago, there were all sorts of systems still in use, even 230 V DC in 
one part of London.
 
As far as I can find out, the Norwegian 230 V IT system is no longer in use.
 
With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO – Own Opinions Only
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Associates Rayleigh England
 
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From: john Allen [mailto:john_e_al...@blueyonder.co.uk] 
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To: 'John Woodgate' <jmw1...@btinternet.com>; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: [PSES] 230V 3-phase in Europe
 
John W
 
I think you are probably correct, but I also seem to remember that – many years 
ago – some parts some parts of Europe used a 127V/230V Star/Wye system.
 
John E Allen
W. London, UK
 
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Sent: 07 August 2017 20:25
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Subject: Re: [PSES] 230V 3-phase in Europe
 
You are quite right; the household supply is 230/400V.  I suspect that the 
product description is wrong. 133/230 V isn’t used anywhere in the world, I 
think.
 
With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO – Own Opinions Only
 <http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk/> www.jmwa.demon.co.uk J M Woodgate and 
Associates Rayleigh England
 
Sylvae in aeternum manent.
 
From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] 
Sent: 07 August 2017 19:50
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> 
Subject: [PSES] 230V 3-phase in Europe
 
Greetings.  
 
Sorry if this is a stupid question (I’ve asked more than I’m allowed, I’m 
sure), but in Europe, is there 230 volt 3-phase (230 volt line to line)?  I 
thought 230 volt single phase was derived from 380V 3-phase (230V from Line to 
Neutral).   
 
I see a 230V 3-phase saw with a CE marking and I was wondering if this product 
can actually be used in Europe.
 
Thanks for any info.  Don’t beat up the yank too much.
 
The Other Brian
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Re: [PSES] 230V 3-phase in Europe

2017-08-07 Thread Carpentier Kristiaan 
That’s correct John, and some old houses still have 127/230 (Belgium).
My home has now 400/230 Y thus with Neutral.

Best regards
Kris Carpentier,

From: john Allen [mailto:09cc677f395b-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org]
Sent: maandag 7 augustus 2017 21:39
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] 230V 3-phase in Europe

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John W

I think you are probably correct, but I also seem to remember that – many years 
ago – some parts some parts of Europe used a 127V/230V Star/Wye system.

John E Allen
W. London, UK

From: John Woodgate [mailto:jmw1...@btinternet.com]
Sent: 07 August 2017 20:25
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
Subject: Re: [PSES] 230V 3-phase in Europe

You are quite right; the household supply is 230/400V.  I suspect that the 
product description is wrong. 133/230 V isn’t used anywhere in the world, I 
think.

With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO – Own Opinions Only
www.jmwa.demon.co.uk<http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk/> J M Woodgate and Associates 
Rayleigh England

Sylvae in aeternum manent.

From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com]
Sent: 07 August 2017 19:50
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
Subject: [PSES] 230V 3-phase in Europe

Greetings.

Sorry if this is a stupid question (I’ve asked more than I’m allowed, I’m 
sure), but in Europe, is there 230 volt 3-phase (230 volt line to line)?  I 
thought 230 volt single phase was derived from 380V 3-phase (230V from Line to 
Neutral).

I see a 230V 3-phase saw with a CE marking and I was wondering if this product 
can actually be used in Europe.

Thanks for any info.  Don’t beat up the yank too much.

The Other Brian

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Re: [PSES] 230V 3-phase in Europe

2017-08-07 Thread john Allen 
John W

 

I think you are probably correct, but I also seem to remember that – many years 
ago – some parts some parts of Europe used a 127V/230V Star/Wye system.

 

John E Allen

W. London, UK

 

From: John Woodgate [mailto:jmw1...@btinternet.com] 
Sent: 07 August 2017 20:25
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] 230V 3-phase in Europe

 

You are quite right; the household supply is 230/400V.  I suspect that the 
product description is wrong. 133/230 V isn’t used anywhere in the world, I 
think.

 

With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO – Own Opinions Only

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Associates Rayleigh England

 

Sylvae in aeternum manent.

 

From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] 
Sent: 07 August 2017 19:50
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] 230V 3-phase in Europe

 

Greetings.  

 

Sorry if this is a stupid question (I’ve asked more than I’m allowed, I’m 
sure), but in Europe, is there 230 volt 3-phase (230 volt line to line)?  I 
thought 230 volt single phase was derived from 380V 3-phase (230V from Line to 
Neutral).   

 

I see a 230V 3-phase saw with a CE marking and I was wondering if this product 
can actually be used in Europe.

 

Thanks for any info.  Don’t beat up the yank too much.

 

The Other Brian

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Re: [PSES] 230V 3-phase in Europe

2017-08-07 Thread John Woodgate 
You are quite right; the household supply is 230/400V.  I suspect that the 
product description is wrong. 133/230 V isn’t used anywhere in the world, I 
think.
 
With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO – Own Opinions Only
  www.jmwa.demon.co.uk J M Woodgate and 
Associates Rayleigh England
 
Sylvae in aeternum manent.
 
From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] 
Sent: 07 August 2017 19:50
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Subject: [PSES] 230V 3-phase in Europe
 
Greetings.  
 
Sorry if this is a stupid question (I’ve asked more than I’m allowed, I’m 
sure), but in Europe, is there 230 volt 3-phase (230 volt line to line)?  I 
thought 230 volt single phase was derived from 380V 3-phase (230V from Line to 
Neutral).   
 
I see a 230V 3-phase saw with a CE marking and I was wondering if this product 
can actually be used in Europe.
 
Thanks for any info.  Don’t beat up the yank too much.
 
The Other Brian
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Re: [PSES] 230V 3-phase in Europe

2017-08-07 Thread Boštjan Glavič 
Hi Brian,

As far as I know in Norway they use IT system with phase-phase voltage 230V. 
They have no Neutral.

Best regards
Bostjan

On 7. avg. 2017, at 21.08, Kunde, Brian 
> wrote:

Greetings.

Sorry if this is a stupid question (I’ve asked more than I’m allowed, I’m 
sure), but in Europe, is there 230 volt 3-phase (230 volt line to line)?  I 
thought 230 volt single phase was derived from 380V 3-phase (230V from Line to 
Neutral).

I see a 230V 3-phase saw with a CE marking and I was wondering if this product 
can actually be used in Europe.

Thanks for any info.  Don’t beat up the yank too much.

The Other Brian

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