Re: [PSES] California Prop 65
In message <008f01cfdea6$9709e820$c51db860$@cox.net>, dated Thu, 2 Oct 2014, Ed Price writes: Just be sure to have an MSDS appended to your passport. Already arranged. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Quid faciamus nisi sit? John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
Re: [PSES] California Prop 65
Just be sure to have an MSDS appended to your passport. Ed Price WB6WSN Chula Vista, CA USA 1961 Amphicar 770 2001 Fleetwood Storm 31W 2008 Ford Explorer -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 8:48 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] California Prop 65 In message <86089981.284126.1412263641329.javamail.r...@comcast.net>, dated Thu, 2 Oct 2014, Mike Sherman - Original Message - writes: >The basis of the law is that one should not expose citizens of >California to any of these chemicals "known to the State of..." without >first warning them. People contain carcinogens, and I am going to LA next week. Will I have to carry a sign? -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Quid faciamus nisi sit? John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald: - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
Re: [PSES] California Prop 65 - here's your sign
Short video on signs from Jeff Foxworthy. This happens to be a quick song, but he has a whole 15 - 3 0 minutes of standup comedy It's worth a bit of your time - if you don't have better things to do :) www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5ZkdHImCuQ Gmac -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 9:14 AM To: Gary McInturff Subject: Re: [PSES] California Prop 65 In message , dated Thu, 2 Oct 2014, Gary McInturff writes: >Nope even having Ebola doesn't require a sign apparently. But I would >bring materials to make a sign - you can never tell what kind of >protest will come up and the sign will help you navigate the crowd if >not the cops. Good advice! Thanks. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Quid faciamus nisi sit? John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
Re: [PSES] California Prop 65
Actually, since the US has no legal "National Language", it needs to be in English, Spanish, Vietnamese, Chinese (common character), Portuguese, Italian, Gaelic, French, Lithuanian, Russian and German. Hope you have a big forehead. :) Dennis Ward This communication and its attachements contain information from PCTEST Engineering Laboratory, Inc., and I sintended for the exclusive use of the recipient(s) named above. It may contain information that is confidential and/or legally privileged. Any unauthorized use that may compromise that confidentiality via distribution or disclosure is prohibited. Please notify the sender immediately if you receive this communication in error, and delete it from your computer system. Usage of PCTEST email addresses for non-business related activities is strictly prohibited. No warranty is made that the e-mail or attachments(s) are free from computer virus or other defect. Thank you. -Original Message- From: Brian Oconnell [mailto:oconne...@tamuracorp.com] Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2014 9:20 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] California Prop 65 Yes, but must be in American and Spanglish. -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 8:48 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] California Prop 65 In message <86089981.284126.1412263641329.javamail.r...@comcast.net>, dated Thu, 2 Oct 2014, Mike Sherman - Original Message - writes: >The basis of the law is that one should not expose citizens of >California to any of these chemicals "known to the State of..." without >first warning them. People contain carcinogens, and I am going to LA next week. Will I have to carry a sign? -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Quid faciamus nisi sit? John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald: - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
Re: [PSES] California Prop 65
It must be tattooed on your forehead or right hand in permanent ink and the letters must be of a size that can be easily read without the use of magnification. :) Dennis Ward This communication and its attachements contain information from PCTEST Engineering Laboratory, Inc., and I sintended for the exclusive use of the recipient(s) named above. It may contain information that is confidential and/or legally privileged. Any unauthorized use that may compromise that confidentiality via distribution or disclosure is prohibited. Please notify the sender immediately if you receive this communication in error, and delete it from your computer system. Usage of PCTEST email addresses for non-business related activities is strictly prohibited. No warranty is made that the e-mail or attachments(s) are free from computer virus or other defect. Thank you. -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2014 8:48 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] California Prop 65 In message <86089981.284126.1412263641329.javamail.r...@comcast.net>, dated Thu, 2 Oct 2014, Mike Sherman - Original Message - writes: >The basis of the law is that one should not expose citizens of >California to any of these chemicals "known to the State of..." without >first warning them. People contain carcinogens, and I am going to LA next week. Will I have to carry a sign? -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Quid faciamus nisi sit? John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald: - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
Re: [PSES] California Prop 65
Yes, but must be in American and Spanglish. -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 8:48 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] California Prop 65 In message <86089981.284126.1412263641329.javamail.r...@comcast.net>, dated Thu, 2 Oct 2014, Mike Sherman - Original Message - writes: >The basis of the law is that one should not expose citizens of >California to any of these chemicals "known to the State of..." without >first warning them. People contain carcinogens, and I am going to LA next week. Will I have to carry a sign? -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Quid faciamus nisi sit? John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
Re: [PSES] California Prop 65
In message <86089981.284126.1412263641329.javamail.r...@comcast.net>, dated Thu, 2 Oct 2014, Mike Sherman - Original Message - writes: The basis of the law is that one should not expose citizens of California to any of these chemicals "known to the State of..." without first warning them. People contain carcinogens, and I am going to LA next week. Will I have to carry a sign? -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Quid faciamus nisi sit? John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
Re: [PSES] California Prop 65
Gary -- The basis of the law is that one should not expose citizens of California to any of these chemicals "known to the State of..." without first warning them. No requirement to remove them. Appears to be a "name and shame" approach that has had some success in companies removing some chemicals from products. A few points: 1. A huge portion of the 800+ chemicals have no established safe harbor levels. 2. Enforcement is primarily by citizens or NGO type groups who buy products without warnings, test them to find any of the 800+ chemicals, then work with specialty law firms to sue you and reach what are in effect consent settlements that cover all of their attorneys' fees and then some. This enforcement mechanism is written into the law/regulations, and appears painful for those sued. 3. California is in the process of "improving" the enforcing regulations, and issued proposals in April 2014. They got a lot of comments, and are presumably digesting those on their way to final regulations. I did not see these proposals as improvements, which is why I put the quotation marks around the word. 4. Because of the size of the California market plus the common desire by manufacturers for one set of warnings for all products sold in the USA, this has impacts far outside of California. Contact me separately if you'd like to chat about this. Mike Sherman Graco Inc. - Original Message - From: "Gary McInturff" To: "EMC-PSTC" Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2014 10:06:14 AM Subject: [PSES] California Prop 65 Just starting to dig into this – and haven’t gotten to the legalese just yet but headed that way. But so far what I’ve read would indicate that it doesn’t mandate removal of the chemicals – other than those already regulated such as lead a Cadmium it appears that after analysis is you are above the below the safe harbor numbers you are only required to put a warning on the product that carcinogenic materials are in the product. I’ve seen the warnings all over the place during my travels to California – Disneyland, and basically any place you can think of. I believe they have a contact point so the interested consumer could follow up should they choose, but certainly a warning can’t be all that is required for the 800 or so chemicals listed. Is there no requirement for removal or reduction to the safe harbor levels? Thanks Gary McInturff Reliability/Compliance Engineer Esterline Interface Technologies Featuring ADVANCED INPUT, GAMESMAN, and LRE MEDICAL products 600 W. Wilbur Avenue Coeur d’Alene, ID 83815-9496 Toll Free: 800-444-5923 X1XXX Tel: (208) 635-8 Fax: (208) 635-8 www.esterline.com/interfacetechnologies Technology, Innovation, Performance… "Information in or attached to this e-mail message may be subject to export control restrictions of the International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR) (22 CFR pts. 120-130) or the Export Administration Regulations (EAR) (15 CFR pts. 730-774). Before exporting this information outside the United States or releasing it to a foreign person in the United States, you need to determine whether a license under the EAR or the ITAR is required to do so. If you have any questions about this obligation, please contact me." - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to < emc-p...@ieee.org > All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas < emcp...@radiusnorth.net > Mike Cantwell < mcantw...@ieee.org > For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher < j.bac...@ieee.org > David Heald < dhe...@gmail.com > - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas
Re: [PSES] California Prop 65
no... *The* Californians: http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/the-californians/n13474/ On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 2:34 PM, wrote: > "Californians" ? > > ___ > * > Ralph McDiarmid* | * Schneider Electric ** | Solar Business* | * > CANADA* | *Regulatory Compliance Engineering* > > > > From: Ed Price To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG, Date: > 07/11/2013 > 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [PSES] California Prop 65 > -- > > > > "Proposition 65 requires businesses to notify Californians about > significant > amounts of chemicals in the products they purchase, in their homes or > workplaces, or that are released into the environment. By providing this > information, Proposition 65 enables Californians to make informed decisions > about protecting themselves from exposure to these chemicals." > > This is why we are flooded with silly signs which warn about "known > carcinogens" in this building, in this location, associated with this > product, etc" Every gas station, paint store, home improvement center, auto > parts store, garden center, machine shop, welding shop have these signs. > The > signs adorn construction sites and landfills, and are so prevalent that > they > fade into the background noise and have become meaningless. About the only > time you notice it is when you go somewhere and you happen to notice that > they DON'T have a sign. The natural assumption then is that the company has > a strict compliance officer, and he couldn't find a non-toxic source for > his > sign order. California is, in many ways, a very advanced nanny state. BTW > (and I couldn't find this before I tired of searching), I will bet that > every California State entity is exempt from compliance with this > regulation. > > Seriously, look at the list of 800 or so things on the California list. > Then > parse the meaning of "significant amount" when you can detect parts per > billion of everything; you will find the exercise quite disheartening. > OTOH, > just put up the signs or warning stickers, and almost nobody will notice > them. > > Ed Price > WB6WSN > Chula Vista, CA USA > > > -Original Message- > From: Brian Oconnell > [mailto:oconne...@tamuracorp.com] > > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 10:04 AM > To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > Subject: Re: [PSES] California Prop 65 > > Google/Bing/Yahoo are your friend. They only want your brain. > > http://oehha.ca.gov/prop65/background/p65plain.html > > Brian > > -Original Message- > From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org ]On > Behalf Of Moshe Henig > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 5:19 AM > To: emc-p...@ieee.org; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG; > emc-pstc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org > Subject: California Prop 65 > > Hello team, > > I am looking for California Prop 65 requirements and on which equipment or > when it is applied. > > Can you please advise > > Thanks > > Moshe > > - > > This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc > discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to > > > All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: > http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html > > Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at > http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in > well-used formats), large files, etc. > > Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ > Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html > List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html > > For help, send mail to the list administrators: > Scott Douglas > Mike Cantwell > > For policy questions, send mail to: > Jim Bacher: > David Heald: > > - > > This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc > discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to < > emc-p...@ieee.org> > > All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: > http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html > > Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at > http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in > well-used formats), large files, etc. > > Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ > Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html > List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html > > For help, send m
Re: [PSES] California Prop 65
"Californians" ? ___ Ralph McDiarmid | Schneider Electric | Solar Business | CANADA | Regulatory Compliance Engineering From: Ed Price To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG, Date: 07/11/2013 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [PSES] California Prop 65 "Proposition 65 requires businesses to notify Californians about significant amounts of chemicals in the products they purchase, in their homes or workplaces, or that are released into the environment. By providing this information, Proposition 65 enables Californians to make informed decisions about protecting themselves from exposure to these chemicals." This is why we are flooded with silly signs which warn about "known carcinogens" in this building, in this location, associated with this product, etc" Every gas station, paint store, home improvement center, auto parts store, garden center, machine shop, welding shop have these signs. The signs adorn construction sites and landfills, and are so prevalent that they fade into the background noise and have become meaningless. About the only time you notice it is when you go somewhere and you happen to notice that they DON'T have a sign. The natural assumption then is that the company has a strict compliance officer, and he couldn't find a non-toxic source for his sign order. California is, in many ways, a very advanced nanny state. BTW (and I couldn't find this before I tired of searching), I will bet that every California State entity is exempt from compliance with this regulation. Seriously, look at the list of 800 or so things on the California list. Then parse the meaning of "significant amount" when you can detect parts per billion of everything; you will find the exercise quite disheartening. OTOH, just put up the signs or warning stickers, and almost nobody will notice them. Ed Price WB6WSN Chula Vista, CA USA -Original Message- From: Brian Oconnell [mailto:oconne...@tamuracorp.com] Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 10:04 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] California Prop 65 Google/Bing/Yahoo are your friend. They only want your brain. http://oehha.ca.gov/prop65/background/p65plain.html Brian -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Moshe Henig Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 5:19 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG; emc-pstc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org Subject: California Prop 65 Hello team, I am looking for California Prop 65 requirements and on which equipment or when it is applied. Can you please advise Thanks Moshe - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald: - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald: __ This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service. __ - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphic
Re: [PSES] California Prop 65
Moshe OEHHA is the lead agency for implementation of Proposition 65 (the Safe Drinking Water and Toxic Enforcement Act of 1986, Health and Safety Code section 25249.5 et seq. referred to as Proposition 65 or the Act). As part of its responsibilities related to Proposition 65, OEHHA maintains the regulations implementing the Act. These regulations can be found in Title 27 of the California Code of Regulations, section 25000 through 27000 Best Regards Sent from my iPhone Peter S. Merguerian pe...@goglobalcompliance.com Go Global Compliance Inc. www.goglobalcompliance.com (408) 931-3303 On Jul 11, 2013, at 5:19 AM, Moshe Henig wrote: > Hello team, > > I am looking for California Prop 65 requirements and on which equipment or > when it is applied. > > Can you please advise > > Thanks > > Moshe > > - > > This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc > discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to > > > All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: > http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html > > Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at > http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used > formats), large files, etc. > > Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ > Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html > List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html > > For help, send mail to the list administrators: > Scott Douglas > Mike Cantwell > > For policy questions, send mail to: > Jim Bacher > David Heald - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
Re: [PSES] California Prop 65
*Warning* Contains peanuts. I wonder if it is a violation of Prop 65 to knowingly report as present _substances one has not even looked for_. "They must be there; put up a sign!" makes notification meaningless. Cortland Richmond ka5s On 7/11/2013 2255, Scott Douglas wrote: When I first came to California to interview for a job, my hotel had these signs displayed prominently at each entrance door. Made me wonder why I wanted to stay in a hotel that had so much evil stuff in it. And also m - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
Re: [PSES] California Prop 65
When I first came to California to interview for a job, my hotel had these signs displayed prominently at each entrance door. Made me wonder why I wanted to stay in a hotel that had so much evil stuff in it. And also made me wonder why anyone would want to live in a state with so much nasty stuff hanging around. Yet, here I am, living and working here. Now I never see the signs except at the gas pump. On 7/11/2013 12:31 PM, Richard Nute wrote: Hi Ed: The signs don't tell us which carcinogens, or their location within the site. Without this information, how can I "make informed decisions" to protect myself from those carcinogens that might be harmful to me other than avoid the site? So, I shouldn't go into and shop at Home Depot? (Of course, I am no longer in California so I can continue to shop at Home Depot!) And, of course, as you have so eloquently said, warnings that are repeated over and over lose their impact. Rich On 7/11/2013 12:09 PM, Ed Price wrote: "Proposition 65 requires businesses to notify Californians about significant amounts of chemicals in the products they purchase, in their homes or workplaces, or that are released into the environment. By providing this information, Proposition 65 enables Californians to make informed decisions about protecting themselves from exposure to these chemicals." This is why we are flooded with silly signs which warn about "known carcinogens" in this building, in this location, associated with this product, etc" Every gas station, paint store, home improvement center, auto parts store, garden center, machine shop, welding shop have these signs. The signs adorn construction sites and landfills, and are so prevalent that they fade into the background noise and have become meaningless. About the only time you notice it is when you go somewhere and you happen to notice that they DON'T have a sign. The natural assumption then is that the company has a strict compliance officer, and he couldn't find a non-toxic source for his sign order. California is, in many ways, a very advanced nanny state. BTW (and I couldn't find this before I tired of searching), I will bet that every California State entity is exempt from compliance with this regulation. Seriously, look at the list of 800 or so things on the California list. Then parse the meaning of "significant amount" when you can detect parts per billion of everything; you will find the exercise quite disheartening. OTOH, just put up the signs or warning stickers, and almost nobody will notice them. Ed Price WB6WSN Chula Vista, CA USA -Original Message- From: Brian Oconnell [mailto:oconne...@tamuracorp.com] Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 10:04 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] California Prop 65 Google/Bing/Yahoo are your friend. They only want your brain. http://oehha.ca.gov/prop65/background/p65plain.html Brian -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Moshe Henig Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 5:19 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG; emc-pstc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org Subject: California Prop 65 Hello team, I am looking for California Prop 65 requirements and on which equipment or when it is applied. Can you please advise Thanks Moshe - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald: - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
Re: [PSES] California Prop 65
When the trend Ed Price described is combined with the abysmal education system in the USA today, you get a situation such as the following. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi3erdgVVTw There are plenty of willing dupes. One must either laugh, or cry. Either response is appropriate. Ken Javor Ph. (256) 650-5261 > From: John Woodgate > Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 20:29:01 +0100 > To: > Subject: Re: [PSES] California Prop 65 > > In message <006201ce7e6a$1b1fb8e0$515f2aa0$@cox.net>, dated Thu, 11 Jul > 2013, Ed Price writes: > >> OTOH, just put up the signs or warning stickers, and almost nobody will >> notice them. > > Especially warn about DHMO and > 4-alpha-D-glucopyranosyl-beta-L-fructofuranoside. Almonds are bad, too. > -- > OOO - Own Opinions Only. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk > Why is the stapler always empty just when you want it? > > John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK > > - > > This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc > discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to > > > All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: > http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html > > Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at > http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used > formats), large files, etc. > > Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ > Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html > List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html > > For help, send mail to the list administrators: > Scott Douglas > Mike Cantwell > > For policy questions, send mail to: > Jim Bacher: > David Heald: - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
Re: [PSES] California Prop 65
In message <006201ce7e6a$1b1fb8e0$515f2aa0$@cox.net>, dated Thu, 11 Jul 2013, Ed Price writes: OTOH, just put up the signs or warning stickers, and almost nobody will notice them. Especially warn about DHMO and 4-alpha-D-glucopyranosyl-beta-L-fructofuranoside. Almonds are bad, too. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Why is the stapler always empty just when you want it? John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
Re: [PSES] California Prop 65
Hi Ed: The signs don't tell us which carcinogens, or their location within the site. Without this information, how can I "make informed decisions" to protect myself from those carcinogens that might be harmful to me other than avoid the site? So, I shouldn't go into and shop at Home Depot? (Of course, I am no longer in California so I can continue to shop at Home Depot!) And, of course, as you have so eloquently said, warnings that are repeated over and over lose their impact. Rich On 7/11/2013 12:09 PM, Ed Price wrote: "Proposition 65 requires businesses to notify Californians about significant amounts of chemicals in the products they purchase, in their homes or workplaces, or that are released into the environment. By providing this information, Proposition 65 enables Californians to make informed decisions about protecting themselves from exposure to these chemicals." This is why we are flooded with silly signs which warn about "known carcinogens" in this building, in this location, associated with this product, etc" Every gas station, paint store, home improvement center, auto parts store, garden center, machine shop, welding shop have these signs. The signs adorn construction sites and landfills, and are so prevalent that they fade into the background noise and have become meaningless. About the only time you notice it is when you go somewhere and you happen to notice that they DON'T have a sign. The natural assumption then is that the company has a strict compliance officer, and he couldn't find a non-toxic source for his sign order. California is, in many ways, a very advanced nanny state. BTW (and I couldn't find this before I tired of searching), I will bet that every California State entity is exempt from compliance with this regulation. Seriously, look at the list of 800 or so things on the California list. Then parse the meaning of "significant amount" when you can detect parts per billion of everything; you will find the exercise quite disheartening. OTOH, just put up the signs or warning stickers, and almost nobody will notice them. Ed Price WB6WSN Chula Vista, CA USA -Original Message- From: Brian Oconnell [mailto:oconne...@tamuracorp.com] Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 10:04 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] California Prop 65 Google/Bing/Yahoo are your friend. They only want your brain. http://oehha.ca.gov/prop65/background/p65plain.html Brian -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Moshe Henig Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 5:19 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG; emc-pstc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org Subject: California Prop 65 Hello team, I am looking for California Prop 65 requirements and on which equipment or when it is applied. Can you please advise Thanks Moshe - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
Re: [PSES] California Prop 65
"Proposition 65 requires businesses to notify Californians about significant amounts of chemicals in the products they purchase, in their homes or workplaces, or that are released into the environment. By providing this information, Proposition 65 enables Californians to make informed decisions about protecting themselves from exposure to these chemicals." This is why we are flooded with silly signs which warn about "known carcinogens" in this building, in this location, associated with this product, etc" Every gas station, paint store, home improvement center, auto parts store, garden center, machine shop, welding shop have these signs. The signs adorn construction sites and landfills, and are so prevalent that they fade into the background noise and have become meaningless. About the only time you notice it is when you go somewhere and you happen to notice that they DON'T have a sign. The natural assumption then is that the company has a strict compliance officer, and he couldn't find a non-toxic source for his sign order. California is, in many ways, a very advanced nanny state. BTW (and I couldn't find this before I tired of searching), I will bet that every California State entity is exempt from compliance with this regulation. Seriously, look at the list of 800 or so things on the California list. Then parse the meaning of "significant amount" when you can detect parts per billion of everything; you will find the exercise quite disheartening. OTOH, just put up the signs or warning stickers, and almost nobody will notice them. Ed Price WB6WSN Chula Vista, CA USA -Original Message- From: Brian Oconnell [mailto:oconne...@tamuracorp.com] Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 10:04 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] California Prop 65 Google/Bing/Yahoo are your friend. They only want your brain. http://oehha.ca.gov/prop65/background/p65plain.html Brian -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Moshe Henig Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 5:19 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG; emc-pstc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org Subject: California Prop 65 Hello team, I am looking for California Prop 65 requirements and on which equipment or when it is applied. Can you please advise Thanks Moshe - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald: - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
Re: [PSES] California Prop 65
Google/Bing/Yahoo are your friend. They only want your brain. http://oehha.ca.gov/prop65/background/p65plain.html Brian -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Moshe Henig Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 5:19 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG; emc-pstc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org Subject: California Prop 65 Hello team, I am looking for California Prop 65 requirements and on which equipment or when it is applied. Can you please advise Thanks Moshe - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
Re: [PSES] California Prop 65
I'm not familiar with this. Can you summarize? The Other Brian From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Moshe Henig Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 8:19 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG; emc-pstc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org Subject: California Prop 65 Hello team, I am looking for California Prop 65 requirements and on which equipment or when it is applied. Can you please advise Thanks Moshe - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org>> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas mailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net>> Mike Cantwell mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org>> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org>> David Heald mailto:dhe...@gmail.com>> LECO Corporation Notice: This communication may contain confidential information intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you received this by mistake, please destroy it and notify us of the error. Thank you. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
