Re: New lists of Harmonized Stds for Machinery, Lifts (elevators) and PPE (personal protective equipment )
As to deciding which version of EN 60204-1 to use: a small added complication is that it is on the harmonized lists for both MD and LVD. (At the moment, both lists are in agreement, with each other if not with Cenelec!) There are other examples (LVD MD), such as EN 60335-1. And EN 61131-2 (PLC's) is both an EMC and a LVD standard. Best regards, glyn TUV Rheinland of North America, Inc. Glyn R. Garside Functional Safety Program Manager http://www.us.tuv.com/fs http://www.us.tuv.com/fs Tel(847)562-9888 ext 25 Mobile (847)612-1574 __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: New lists of Harmonized Stds for Machinery, Lifts (elevators) and PPE (personal protective equipment )
Scott, A test standard or a product family/product standard or a generic standard is ratified/adopted by CEN/CENELEC/ETSI and therefore applicable as a normal standard (product liabillity!!!) but NOT under the CE regime until the publication in the OJEU! That is a time problem because e. g. the LVD standards list will be updated once a year (last publication was on 2006-08-30 http://eur-lex.europa.eu/Lex riServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:C:2006:208:0001:0089:EN:PDF in the OJEU WITHOUT the new versions of EN 60204-1:2006 or EN 60950-1:2006 for example). We had some difficult discussions in the past 3 weeks with different statements of the German Ministry. Mit freundlichen Grüßen Yours sincerely Dipl.-Ing. Michael Loerzer Managing Director Regulatory Affairs Specialist Chairman of the Product Conformity Group (DIN ANP German Committee of Standards Users) GLOBALNORM - Global Regulatory Compliance NEW (valid from: 2006-08-21) Fon: +49 30 3229027-50, Direct Call: -51 Fax: +49 30 3229027-59 Alt-Moabit 94 10559 Berlin Germany www.globalnorm.ca www.Globalnorm.de - Original Message - From: sbarr...@curtis-straus.com To: M. Loerzer-Mobile (GLOBALNORM) mailto:loerzer_mob...@globalnorm.de Cc: EMC-PSTC mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org ; Glyn Garside mailto:ggars...@us.tuv.com Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 10:40 PM Subject: Re: New lists of Harmonized Stds for Machinery, Lifts (elevators) and PPE (personal protective equipment ) However, it is my understanding that if it has not been published in the OJ, it doesn't exist as a valid test standard yet?? Scott M. Loerzer-Mobile \(GLOBALNORM\) loerzer_mob...@globalnorm.de 09/12/2006 04:35 PM To Glyn Garside ggars...@us.tuv.com, Scott Barrows/USA/VERITAS@VERITAS cc EMC-PSTC emc-p...@ieee.org Subject Re: New lists of Harmonized Stds for Machinery, Lifts (elevators) and PPE (personal protective equipment ) That is one of our big problems in Europe: CENELEC/CEN/ETSI are publishing new standards e.g. EN 60204-1:2006-06 but the commission don´t publish these reference just in time! Therefore the new standards haven´t a presumption of conformity in the meaning of the new approach! We have a long list of new standards under the Low Voltage Directive, EMC, RTTE Directive, PPE, Toy, Medical and so on with the same problem! We inform our database users about this special situation of european harmonized standards. Mit freundlichen Grüßen Yours sincerely Dipl.-Ing. Michael Loerzer Managing Director Regulatory Affairs Specialist Chairman of the Product Conformity Group (DIN ANP German Committee of Standards Users) GLOBALNORM - Global Regulatory Compliance NEW (valid from: 2006-08-21) Fon: +49 30 3229027-50, Direct Call: -51 Fax: +49 30 3229027-59 Alt-Moabit 94 10559 Berlin Germany http://www.globalnorm.ca/ www.globalnorm.ca http://www.globalnorm.de/ www.Globalnorm.de - Original Message - From: mailto:sbarr...@curtis-straus.com sbarr...@curtis-straus.com To: mailto:ggars...@us.tuv.com Glyn Garside Cc: mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org EMC-PSTC Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 9:10 PM Subject: Re: New lists of Harmonized Stds for Machinery, Lifts (elevators) and PPE (personal protective equipment ) Hi All, I notice that the new EN 60204-1 was not included on the applicable standards?? Scott - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell
Re: New lists of Harmonized Stds for Machinery, Lifts (elevators) and PPE (personal protective equipment )
That is one of our big problems in Europe: CENELEC/CEN/ETSI are publishing new standards e.g. EN 60204-1:2006-06 but the commission don´t publish these reference just in time! Therefore the new standards haven´t a presumption of conformity in the meaning of the new approach! We have a long list of new standards under the Low Voltage Directive, EMC, RTTE Directive, PPE, Toy, Medical and so on with the same problem! We inform our database users about this special situation of european harmonized standards. Mit freundlichen Grüßen Yours sincerely Dipl.-Ing. Michael Loerzer Managing Director Regulatory Affairs Specialist Chairman of the Product Conformity Group (DIN ANP German Committee of Standards Users) GLOBALNORM - Global Regulatory Compliance NEW (valid from: 2006-08-21) Fon: +49 30 3229027-50, Direct Call: -51 Fax: +49 30 3229027-59 Alt-Moabit 94 10559 Berlin Germany www.globalnorm.ca www.Globalnorm.de - Original Message - From: sbarr...@curtis-straus.com To: Glyn Garside mailto:ggars...@us.tuv.com Cc: EMC-PSTC mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 9:10 PM Subject: Re: New lists of Harmonized Stds for Machinery, Lifts (elevators) and PPE (personal protective equipment ) Hi All, I notice that the new EN 60204-1 was not included on the applicable standards?? Scott - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: New lists of Harmonized Stds for Machinery, Lifts (elevators) and PPE (personal protective equipment )
However, it is my understanding that if it has not been published in the OJ, it doesn't exist as a valid test standard yet?? Scott M. Loerzer-Mobile \(GLOBALNORM\) loerzer_mob...@globalnorm.de 09/12/2006 04:35 PM To Glyn Garside ggars...@us.tuv.com, Scott Barrows/USA/VERITAS@VERITAS cc EMC-PSTC emc-p...@ieee.org Subject Re: New lists of Harmonized Stds for Machinery, Lifts (elevators) and PPE (personal protective equipment ) That is one of our big problems in Europe: CENELEC/CEN/ETSI are publishing new standards e.g. EN 60204-1:2006-06 but the commission don´t publish these reference just in time! Therefore the new standards haven´t a presumption of conformity in the meaning of the new approach! We have a long list of new standards under the Low Voltage Directive, EMC, RTTE Directive, PPE, Toy, Medical and so on with the same problem! We inform our database users about this special situation of european harmonized standards. Mit freundlichen Grüßen Yours sincerely Dipl.-Ing. Michael Loerzer Managing Director Regulatory Affairs Specialist Chairman of the Product Conformity Group (DIN ANP German Committee of Standards Users) GLOBALNORM - Global Regulatory Compliance NEW (valid from: 2006-08-21) Fon: +49 30 3229027-50, Direct Call: -51 Fax: +49 30 3229027-59 Alt-Moabit 94 10559 Berlin Germany http://www.globalnorm.ca/ www.globalnorm.ca http://www.globalnorm.de/ www.Globalnorm.de - Original Message - From: mailto:sbarr...@curtis-straus.com sbarr...@curtis-straus.com To: mailto:ggars...@us.tuv.com Glyn Garside Cc: mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org EMC-PSTC Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 9:10 PM Subject: Re: New lists of Harmonized Stds for Machinery, Lifts (elevators) and PPE (personal protective equipment ) Hi All, I notice that the new EN 60204-1 was not included on the applicable standards?? Scott - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
Re: New lists of Harmonized Stds for Machinery, Lifts (elevators) and PPE (personal protective equipment )
EN 692 has been the subject of a long running argument about the use of two hand controls. I've not looked at the new version, but I think this is likely to be the main area of concern about old standard. Let me know if you really want to know more and I'll ask my press specialist what he sees as the main differences. Nick. At 1:42 pm -0500 12/9/06, Glyn Garside wrote: EU Official Journal 2 Aug 2006 http://europa.eu.int/eur-lex/lex/JOHt l.do?uri=OJ:C:2006:180:SOM:EN:HTMLhttp //europa.eu.int/eur-lex/lex/JOHtml.do?uri=OJ:C:2006:180:SOM:EN:HTML [link is to English page, see top of that page for links to 22 other languages] MD: http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/ exUriServ.do?uri=OJ:C:2006:180:0011:006 :EN:PDFhttp://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUri erv/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:C:2006:180:0011:0064:EN:PDF PPE: http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/ exUriServ.do?uri=OJ:C:2006:180:0065:008 :EN:PDFhttp://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUri erv/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:C:2006:180:0065:0087:EN:PDF Lifts: http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/ exUriServ.do?uri=OJ:C:2006:180:0088:008 :EN:PDFhttp://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUri erv/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:C:2006:180:0088:0089:EN:PDF MACHINERY DIRECTIVE: There are about 42 new references. (Hint: search the PDF for This is the first publication) I was particularly interested in the effectivity date for EN 692. Anyone know why? EN 692:2005 Machine tools - Mechanical presses - Safety Replaces EN 692:1996, effective immediately. (Date of cessation of presumption of conformity of superseded standard is The date of this publication) Machinery types affected include (NOT a complete list): -Printing/paper conversion/paper making finishing (EN 1010-x, EN 1034-x) -Mining -Woodworking (EN 1218...) -Food processing -Industrial trucks/tractors (EN 1726-1) -Compressors vacuum pumps -Noise emissions... -Cranes -Mechanical presses (EN 692) -Milling machines -Fire trucks -Refuse (Garbage) trucks -Spray painting -Lawn equipment -Power tools (EN 60745...) ... PS: The commission's pages related to these directives haven't been updated yet (as of 12 Sep 2006): http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/newapp oach/index_en.htmhttp://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/newapproach/index_en.htm Best regards, glyn TUV Rheinland of North America, Inc. Glyn R. Garside Senior Engineer Functional Safety Program Manager http://www.us.tuv.com/fshttp://www.us.tuv.com/fs 1945 Techny Rd, Unit 4 NORTHBROOK, IL 60062-5357, USA Tel+1(847)562-9888 ext 25 email mailto:ggars...@us.tuv.comggars...@us.tuv.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
Re: New lists of Harmonized Stds for Machinery, Lifts (elevators) and PPE (personal protective equipment )
Hi All, I notice that the new EN 60204-1 was not included on the applicable standards?? Scott - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
