Re: [PSES] SV: [PSES] TEMPEST and EMC
Ed, I conducted TEMPEST tests and mitigation on SINCGARS radios too. Amund, the TEMPEST test procedures are classified. Don Gies ddg...@verizon.net <mailto:ddg...@verizon.net> (732) 207-7828 From: Edward Price [mailto:e...@jwjelp.com] Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 5:20 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] SV: [PSES] TEMPEST and EMC Amund: In TEMPEST testing, both the limits and the data were considered classified information. Don: The conflation of TEMPEST and 461 probably arose from the fact that most all equipment requiring TEMPEST compliance was being bought by DoD agencies, and they also required 461 compliance. As an example, back in the late 80’s, I did the 461 compliance testing for the SINCGARS radio system, while a TEMPEST certified engineer worked in my lab doing a parallel TEMPEST compliance test. The customer was the same, but the two efforts were on separate contracts. OTOH, I recall another job, this one commercial, where the customer only asked us to do TEMPEST on a high-speed computer line-printer; there was no requirement for 461. The customer’s plan was to sell TEMPEST ready printers to non-governmental custoers. Ed Price WB6WSN Chula Vista, CA USA From: Amund Westin [mailto:am...@westin-emission.no] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 11:22 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: [PSES] SV: [PSES] TEMPEST and EMC I was looking for the document NSTISSAM TEMPEST/1-92 «Compromising Emanations Laboratory Test Requirements, Electromagnetics», but I only found a file with all emission plots covered by a black spot. Classified information? BR Amund Fra: Don Gies [mailto:ddg...@verizon.net] Sendt: 6. september 2017 23:35 Til: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Emne: Re: [PSES] TEMPEST and EMC Years ago, if you tested under a TEMPEST contract, you tested for MIL-STD-461 as well. They were not considered overlapping requirements, and the TEMPEST engineer is looking for other things that the MIL-STD-461 engineer is not. Don Gies mailto:ddg...@verizon.net (732) 207-7828 From: rbtuk [mailto:0a0e51f5c059-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 4:53 PM To: mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] TEMPEST and EMC In my experience of both type of testing experience - if it is tempest compliant it is likely to be compliant with commercial emission requirements Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone Original message From: Ken Javor <mailto:ken.ja...@emccompliance.com> Date: 9/5/17 16:35 (GMT-05:00) To: mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] TEMPEST and EMC TEMPEST is completely decoupled from EMC. The EMC requirements are driven by how the item will be used. A TEMPEST qualified PC to be used around some secure data center in a plant or office building will have those sports of CISPR EMC qualifications. If the device is going to be used on a military vehicle of some sort, then MIL-STD-461 is required. But these statements stand on their own – they are independent of the TEMPEST qualification. Ken Javor Phone: (256) 650-5261 From: Amund Westin <mailto:am...@westin-emission.no> Reply-To: Amund Westin <mailto:am...@westin-emission.no> Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 21:22:33 +0200 To: <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: [PSES] TEMPEST and EMC Any special EMC requirements for TEMPEST approved equipment? Is MIL-STD-461 mandatory? … Best regards Amund - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <mailto:sdoug...@ieee.org> Mike Cantwell <mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher <mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org> David Heald <mailto:dhe...@gmail.com> - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <m
Re: [PSES] SV: [PSES] TEMPEST and EMC
Oh yes. One reason I was hired to do EMC testing after i retired from the US Army in 1983 was that I had a current SECRET clearance. THAT'S long gone. Heh! Cortland Richmond larance. On 9/7/2017 2:22 AM, Amund Westin wrote: I was looking for the document NSTISSAM TEMPEST/1-92 /«Compromising Emanations Laboratory Test Requirements, Electromagnetics»,/ but I only found a file with all emission plots covered by a black spot. Classified information? BR Amund - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
Re: [PSES] SV: [PSES] TEMPEST and EMC
Amund: In TEMPEST testing, both the limits and the data were considered classified information. Don: The conflation of TEMPEST and 461 probably arose from the fact that most all equipment requiring TEMPEST compliance was being bought by DoD agencies, and they also required 461 compliance. As an example, back in the late 80’s, I did the 461 compliance testing for the SINCGARS radio system, while a TEMPEST certified engineer worked in my lab doing a parallel TEMPEST compliance test. The customer was the same, but the two efforts were on separate contracts. OTOH, I recall another job, this one commercial, where the customer only asked us to do TEMPEST on a high-speed computer line-printer; there was no requirement for 461. The customer’s plan was to sell TEMPEST ready printers to non-governmental custoers. Ed Price WB6WSN Chula Vista, CA USA From: Amund Westin [mailto:am...@westin-emission.no] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 11:22 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] SV: [PSES] TEMPEST and EMC I was looking for the document NSTISSAM TEMPEST/1-92 «Compromising Emanations Laboratory Test Requirements, Electromagnetics», but I only found a file with all emission plots covered by a black spot. Classified information? BR Amund Fra: Don Gies [mailto:ddg...@verizon.net] Sendt: 6. september 2017 23:35 Til: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Emne: Re: [PSES] TEMPEST and EMC Years ago, if you tested under a TEMPEST contract, you tested for MIL-STD-461 as well. They were not considered overlapping requirements, and the TEMPEST engineer is looking for other things that the MIL-STD-461 engineer is not. Don Gies mailto:ddg...@verizon.net (732) 207-7828 From: rbtuk [mailto:0a0e51f5c059-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 4:53 PM To: mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] TEMPEST and EMC In my experience of both type of testing experience - if it is tempest compliant it is likely to be compliant with commercial emission requirements Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone Original message From: Ken Javor <mailto:ken.ja...@emccompliance.com> Date: 9/5/17 16:35 (GMT-05:00) To: mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] TEMPEST and EMC TEMPEST is completely decoupled from EMC. The EMC requirements are driven by how the item will be used. A TEMPEST qualified PC to be used around some secure data center in a plant or office building will have those sports of CISPR EMC qualifications. If the device is going to be used on a military vehicle of some sort, then MIL-STD-461 is required. But these statements stand on their own – they are independent of the TEMPEST qualification. Ken Javor Phone: (256) 650-5261 From: Amund Westin <mailto:am...@westin-emission.no> Reply-To: Amund Westin <mailto:am...@westin-emission.no> Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 21:22:33 +0200 To: <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: [PSES] TEMPEST and EMC Any special EMC requirements for TEMPEST approved equipment? Is MIL-STD-461 mandatory? … Best regards Amund - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <mailto:sdoug...@ieee.org> Mike Cantwell <mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher <mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org> David Heald <mailto:dhe...@gmail.com> - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the li
[PSES] SV: [PSES] TEMPEST and EMC
I was looking for the document NSTISSAM TEMPEST/1-92 «Compromising Emanations Laboratory Test Requirements, Electromagnetics», but I only found a file with all emission plots covered by a black spot. Classified information? BR Amund Fra: Don Gies [mailto:ddg...@verizon.net] Sendt: 6. september 2017 23:35 Til: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Emne: Re: [PSES] TEMPEST and EMC Years ago, if you tested under a TEMPEST contract, you tested for MIL-STD-461 as well. They were not considered overlapping requirements, and the TEMPEST engineer is looking for other things that the MIL-STD-461 engineer is not. Don Gies mailto:ddg...@verizon.net (732) 207-7828 From: rbtuk [mailto:0a0e51f5c059-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 4:53 PM To: mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] TEMPEST and EMC In my experience of both type of testing experience - if it is tempest compliant it is likely to be compliant with commercial emission requirements Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone Original message From: Ken Javor <mailto:ken.ja...@emccompliance.com> Date: 9/5/17 16:35 (GMT-05:00) To: mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] TEMPEST and EMC TEMPEST is completely decoupled from EMC. The EMC requirements are driven by how the item will be used. A TEMPEST qualified PC to be used around some secure data center in a plant or office building will have those sports of CISPR EMC qualifications. If the device is going to be used on a military vehicle of some sort, then MIL-STD-461 is required. But these statements stand on their own – they are independent of the TEMPEST qualification. Ken Javor Phone: (256) 650-5261 From: Amund Westin <mailto:am...@westin-emission.no> Reply-To: Amund Westin <mailto:am...@westin-emission.no> Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 21:22:33 +0200 To: <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: [PSES] TEMPEST and EMC Any special EMC requirements for TEMPEST approved equipment? Is MIL-STD-461 mandatory? … Best regards Amund - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <mailto:sdoug...@ieee.org> Mike Cantwell <mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher <mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org> David Heald <mailto:dhe...@gmail.com> - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <mailto:sdoug...@ieee.org> Mike Cantwell <mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher <mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org> David Heald <mailto:dhe...@gmail.com> - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <mailto:sdoug...@ieee.org> Mike Cantwell <mai
Re: [PSES] TEMPEST and EMC
Years ago, if you tested under a TEMPEST contract, you tested for MIL-STD-461 as well. They were not considered overlapping requirements, and the TEMPEST engineer is looking for other things that the MIL-STD-461 engineer is not. Don Gies ddg...@verizon.net <mailto:ddg...@verizon.net> (732) 207-7828 From: rbtuk [mailto:0a0e51f5c059-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 4:53 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] TEMPEST and EMC In my experience of both type of testing experience - if it is tempest compliant it is likely to be compliant with commercial emission requirements Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone Original message From: Ken Javor mailto:ken.ja...@emccompliance.com> > Date: 9/5/17 16:35 (GMT-05:00) To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] TEMPEST and EMC TEMPEST is completely decoupled from EMC. The EMC requirements are driven by how the item will be used. A TEMPEST qualified PC to be used around some secure data center in a plant or office building will have those sports of CISPR EMC qualifications. If the device is going to be used on a military vehicle of some sort, then MIL-STD-461 is required. But these statements stand on their own – they are independent of the TEMPEST qualification. Ken Javor Phone: (256) 650-5261 _ From: Amund Westin mailto:am...@westin-emission.no> > Reply-To: Amund Westin mailto:am...@westin-emission.no> > Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 21:22:33 +0200 To: mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> > Subject: [PSES] TEMPEST and EMC Any special EMC requirements for TEMPEST approved equipment? Is MIL-STD-461 mandatory? … Best regards Amund - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org> > All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) <http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html> <http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html> List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas mailto:sdoug...@ieee.org> > Mike Cantwell mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org> > For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org> > David Heald mailto:dhe...@gmail.com> > - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org> > All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) <http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html> List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas mailto:sdoug...@ieee.org> > Mike Cantwell mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org> > For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org> > David Heald mailto:dhe...@gmail.com> > - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
Re: [PSES] TEMPEST and EMC
In my experience of both type of testing experience - if it is tempest compliant it is likely to be compliant with commercial emission requirements Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone Original message From: Ken Javor Date: 9/5/17 16:35 (GMT-05:00) To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] TEMPEST and EMC TEMPEST is completely decoupled from EMC. The EMC requirements are driven by how the item will be used. A TEMPEST qualified PC to be used around some secure data center in a plant or office building will have those sports of CISPR EMC qualifications. If the device is going to be used on a military vehicle of some sort, then MIL-STD-461 is required. But these statements stand on their own – they are independent of the TEMPEST qualification. Ken Javor Phone: (256) 650-5261 From: Amund Westin Reply-To: Amund Westin Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 21:22:33 +0200 To: Subject: [PSES] TEMPEST and EMC Any special EMC requirements for TEMPEST approved equipment? Is MIL-STD-461 mandatory? … Best regards Amund - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) <http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html> List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher David Heald - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
Re: [PSES] TEMPEST and EMC
TEMPEST is completely decoupled from EMC. The EMC requirements are driven by how the item will be used. A TEMPEST qualified PC to be used around some secure data center in a plant or office building will have those sports of CISPR EMC qualifications. If the device is going to be used on a military vehicle of some sort, then MIL-STD-461 is required. But these statements stand on their own they are independent of the TEMPEST qualification. Ken Javor Phone: (256) 650-5261 From: Amund Westin Reply-To: Amund Westin Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 21:22:33 +0200 To: Subject: [PSES] TEMPEST and EMC Any special EMC requirements for TEMPEST approved equipment? Is MIL-STD-461 mandatory? Best regards Amund - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) <http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html> List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher David Heald - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
[PSES] TEMPEST and EMC
Any special EMC requirements for TEMPEST approved equipment? Is MIL-STD-461 mandatory? . Best regards Amund - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
TEMPEST
Hi all, Any nice web-links which give a first introduction to TEMPEST ? Any TEMPEST course / training available? Best regards Amund Westin, Oslo, Norway This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: TEMPEST regulations
Folks - Actually, the Canadian three-letter agency involved is the CSE (Communications Security Establishment). Alexandru, you may want to get in touch with John Simpson at EMCON in Ottawa about TEMPEST issues. His number is (613) 723-1838 x125, and email jo...@emcon.com. Kind regards, Kate Kathy M. MacLean President, APREL Laboratories -EMC-RF Safety-Antenna Design/Test-SAR/MPE-SAR/Near-Field Tools-Acoustics-Wireless- 51 Spectrum Way, Nepean, Ontario K2R 1E6 (613) 820-2730 fax (613) 820-4161 Web site: http://www.aprel.com <http://www.aprel.com/> - watch for our new web site coming soon! From: kazimier_gawrzy...@dell.com [mailto:kazimier_gawrzy...@dell.com] Sent: May 9, 2003 2:57 PM To: ed.pr...@cubic.com; gui...@cae.com; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: TEMPEST regulations Alexandru, You might try the NSA in the US but will likely need to contact the Canadian equivalent (CSIS?) . I had placed an inquiry with the UK source and was advised that since I am in the US, they would not explore the release any docs and kindly supplied additional advice to contact the NSA. Might be the same kind of thing for Canadian distribution requests. Regards, Kaz Gawrzyjal Dell From: Price, Ed [mailto:ed.pr...@cubic.com] Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 12:32 PM To: 'Alexandru Guidea'; 'emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org' Subject: RE: TEMPEST regulations >-Original Message- >From: Alexandru Guidea [ mailto:gui...@cae.com] >Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 8:35 AM >To: 'emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org' >Subject: TEMPEST regulations > > > >Dear colleagues, > >I am looking to procure an UK (or NATO) TEMPEST >standard/regulation -- JSP >480. Any help in finding a source for this doc will be greatly >appreciated. >Whether some confidentiality restrictions exist, they can be >resolved by our >library, as it has similar docs. > >Thanks, > >Guidea Alexandru >CAE Inc. >Montreal, CANADA Alexandru: A JSP is a British Ministry of Defence (MoD) Joint Services Publication. You might try the MoD homepage at: http://www.dstan.mod.uk/index.html but many Comsec documents are classified, so you might have trouble getting a copy (as in not exactly a pdf on the web ). Ed Ed Price ed.pr...@cubic.com NARTE Certified EMC Engineer & Technician Electromagnetic Compatibility Lab Cubic Defense Systems San Diego, CA USA 858-505-2780 (Voice) 858-505-1583 (Fax) Military & Avionics EMC Is Our Specialty
RE: TEMPEST regulations
> I am looking to procure an UK (or NATO) TEMPEST > standard/regulation -- JSP > 480. Any help in finding a source for this doc will be > greatly appreciated. > Whether some confidentiality restrictions exist, they can be > resolved by our > library, as it has similar docs. The MoD Defence Standard webite is at <http://www.dstan.mod.uk>. The Defence Standard help-desk email address has changed recently to be <mailto:dstan.helpd...@virgin.net>. However, UK Tempest matters are handled by CESG in Cheltenham, UK (a.k.a. Government Communications HQ), whose website is at <http://www.cesg.gsi.gov.uk>. They have a Customer helpdesk at email <mailto:enquir...@cesg.gov.uk> If it's Tempest then it's definitely security classified! Regards, Alan -- This email and any attachments are confidential to the intended recipient and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it from your system and notify the sender. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose or distribute its contents to any other person. This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: TEMPEST regulations
Alexandru, You might try the NSA in the US but will likely need to contact the Canadian equivalent (CSIS?) . I had placed an inquiry with the UK source and was advised that since I am in the US, they would not explore the release any docs and kindly supplied additional advice to contact the NSA. Might be the same kind of thing for Canadian distribution requests. Regards, Kaz Gawrzyjal Dell From: Price, Ed [mailto:ed.pr...@cubic.com] Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 12:32 PM To: 'Alexandru Guidea'; 'emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org' Subject: RE: TEMPEST regulations >-Original Message- >From: Alexandru Guidea [ mailto:gui...@cae.com] >Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 8:35 AM >To: 'emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org' >Subject: TEMPEST regulations > > > >Dear colleagues, > >I am looking to procure an UK (or NATO) TEMPEST >standard/regulation -- JSP >480. Any help in finding a source for this doc will be greatly >appreciated. >Whether some confidentiality restrictions exist, they can be >resolved by our >library, as it has similar docs. > >Thanks, > >Guidea Alexandru >CAE Inc. >Montreal, CANADA Alexandru: A JSP is a British Ministry of Defence (MoD) Joint Services Publication. You might try the MoD homepage at: http://www.dstan.mod.uk/index.html but many Comsec documents are classified, so you might have trouble getting a copy (as in not exactly a pdf on the web ). Ed Ed Price ed.pr...@cubic.com NARTE Certified EMC Engineer & Technician Electromagnetic Compatibility Lab Cubic Defense Systems San Diego, CA USA 858-505-2780 (Voice) 858-505-1583 (Fax) Military & Avionics EMC Is Our Specialty
RE: TEMPEST regulations
>-Original Message- >From: Alexandru Guidea [ mailto:gui...@cae.com] >Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 8:35 AM >To: 'emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org' >Subject: TEMPEST regulations > > > >Dear colleagues, > >I am looking to procure an UK (or NATO) TEMPEST >standard/regulation -- JSP >480. Any help in finding a source for this doc will be greatly >appreciated. >Whether some confidentiality restrictions exist, they can be >resolved by our >library, as it has similar docs. > >Thanks, > >Guidea Alexandru >CAE Inc. >Montreal, CANADA Alexandru: A JSP is a British Ministry of Defence (MoD) Joint Services Publication. You might try the MoD homepage at: http://www.dstan.mod.uk/index.html but many Comsec documents are classified, so you might have trouble getting a copy (as in not exactly a pdf on the web ). Ed Ed Price ed.pr...@cubic.com NARTE Certified EMC Engineer & Technician Electromagnetic Compatibility Lab Cubic Defense Systems San Diego, CA USA 858-505-2780 (Voice) 858-505-1583 (Fax) Military & Avionics EMC Is Our Specialty
TEMPEST regulations
Dear colleagues, I am looking to procure an UK (or NATO) TEMPEST standard/regulation -- JSP 480. Any help in finding a source for this doc will be greatly appreciated. Whether some confidentiality restrictions exist, they can be resolved by our library, as it has similar docs. Thanks, Guidea Alexandru CAE Inc. Montreal, CANADA This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
FW: #18328: Engineer (TEMPEST); Grand Rapids, MI
Forwarding for Pauline, please reply to her. Jim From: Pauline Rodela [mailto:paul...@midcom.com] Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 4:06 PM Subject: #18328: Engineer (TEMPEST); Grand Rapids, MI Hello, I obtained your name and email from the IEEE EMC Society Directors listing at http://www.ieee.org and was wondering if you could be of any assistance in helping me find a candidate for the below position. I have a 6 month contract position open in Grand Rapids, MI for an Engineer to create an emanation analysis for an airborne computer to meet TEMPEST/1-92 test requirements. To be considered, the following requirements must be met: · Secret security clearance (Used within the last 2 years) · Familiar with National Security Telecommunications and Information Systems Security Advisory (NSTISSAM) TEMPEST/1-92 test requirements · Familiar with DoD Instruction 5200.40, DoD Information Technology Security Certification and Accreditation Process (DITSCAP) · Must be familiar with Emission Security (EMSEC) countermeasure implementations · Will work with the customer to establish Smiths role in the System Security Authorization Agreement (SSAA) and create a plan to meet requirements · Must be able to perform an emanation analysis, which will form a part of the customer's System Security Authorization Agreement If you would like to be submitted or would know of anyone else who might be, please reply with an updated resume and contact Pauline at (714) 579-3000 x259. Thank you and I hope to hear from you soon! Hope you have a wonderful day! ^_^ Pauline Rodela Technical Recruiter MIDCOM CORPORATION Voice: (714) 579-3000, Ext. 259 Fax: (714) 459-7055 http://www.midcom.com This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
EMC/TEMPEST Employment
DRS Advanced Programs out of Columbia, Maryland has an immediate opening for an EMC/TEMPEST engineer with United States SECRET clearance. If you or an associate are interested please contact Joe O'Banion at oban...@drs-ap.com or 410-312-5868. Resumes can be faxed to me at 410-312-5860 and I will pass them on to Krissy Dell in Human Resources. Thank you for your help. Joe O'Banion NARTE Certified EMC Engineer and TEMPEST Professional Level II --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on "Virtual Conference Hall,"
WANTED TEMPEST Receiver
WANTED TEMPEST Receiver AEL TTR, Watkins Johnson 8999 with tuning range of 100Hz to 1GHz and 10GHz; bandwidths 10Hz to 200MHz. Please contact Mike McHale 727 302-2959 with information or return Email "m...@eci.esys.com" with details. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
Re:Wanted TEMPEST Receiver
forwarding for m...@eci.esys.com Reply Separator Subject:Wanted TEMPEST Receiver Author: "Michael McHale-NR" List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: 1/10/01 6:31 AM WANTED TEMPEST Receiver AEL TTR, Watkins Johnson 8999 with tuning range 100Hz to 1GHz and 10GHz; bandwidths 10Hz to 200MHz. Please contact Mike McHale 727 302-2959 with information or return Email with details. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
RE: TEMPEST - the whole nine yards
A review of TEMPEST Legal Issues Notice: I recieved this document a bit chopped up, while it is complete thetext is mismatched with the references, and several references appear to be missing. In the novel 1984, George Orwell foretold a future where individuals had no expectation of privacy because the state monopolized the technology of spying. The government watched the actions of its subjects from birth to death. No one could protect himself because surveillance and counter- surveillance technology was controlled by the government. This note explores the legal status of a surveillance technology ruefully known as TEMPEST[2]. Using TEMPEST technology the information in any digital device may be intercepted and reconstructed into useful intelligence without the operative ever having to come near his target. The technology is especially useful in the interception of information stored in digital computers or displayed on computer terminals. The use of TEMPEST is not illegal under the laws of the United States[3], or England. Canada has specific laws criminalizing TEMPEST eavesdropping but the laws do more to hinder surveillance countermeasures than to prevent TEMPEST surveillance. In the United States it is illegal for an individual to take effective counter-measures against TEMPEST surveillance. This leads to the conundrum that it is legal for individuals and the government to invade the privacy of others but illegal for individuals to take steps to protect their privacy. I. INTELLIGENCE GATHERING Spying is divided by professionals into two main types: human intelligence gathering (HUMINT) and electronic intelligence gathering (ELINT). As the names imply, HUMINT relies on human operatives, and ELINT relies on technological operatives. In the past HUMINT was the sole method for collecting intelligence.[4] The HUMINT operative would steal important papers, observe troop and weapon movements[5], lure people into his confidences to extract secrets, and stand under the eavesdrip[6] of houses, eavesdropping on the occupants. As technology has progressed, tasks that once could only be performed by humans have been taken over by machines. So it has been with spying. Modern satellite technology allows troop and weapons movements to be observed with greater precision and from greater distances than a human spy could ever hope to accomplish. The theft of documents and eavesdropping on conversations may now be performed electronically. This means greater safety for the human operative, whose only involvement may be the placing of the initial ELINT devices. This has led to the ascendancy of ELINT over HUMINT because the placement and monitoring of ELINT devices may be performed by a technician who has no training in the art of spying. The gathered intelligence may be processed by an intelligence expert, perhaps thousands of miles away, with no need of field experience. ELINT has a number of other advantages over HUMINT. If a spy is caught his existence could embarrass his employing state and he could be forced into giving up the identities of his compatriots or other important information. By its very nature, a discovered ELINT device (bug) cannot give up any information; and the ubiquitous nature of bugs provides the principle state with the ability to plausibly deny ownership or involvement. ELINT devices fall into two broad categories: trespassatory and non-trespassatory. Trespassatory bugs require some type of trespass in order for them to function. A transmitter might require the physical invasion of the target premises for placement, or a microphone might be surreptitiously attached to the outside of a window. A telephone transmitter can be placed anywhere on the phone line, including at the central switch. The trespass comes either when it is physically attached to the phone line, or if it is inductive, when placed in close proximity to the phone line. Even microwave bugs require the placement of the resonator cone within the target premises.[7] Non-trespassatory ELINT devices work by receiving electromagnetic radiation (EMR) as it radiates through the ether, and do not require the placement of bugs. Methods include intercepting[8] information transmitted by satellite, microwave, and radio, including mobile and cellular phone transmissions. This information was purposely transmitted with the intent that some intended person or persons would receive it. Non-trespassatory ELINT also includes the interception of information that was never intended to be transmitted. All electronic devices emit electromagnetic radiation. Some of the radiation, as with radio waves, is intended to transmit information. Much of this radiation is not intended to transmit information and is merely incidental to whatever work the target device is performing.[9] This information can be
RE: TEMPEST
Transient ElectroMagnetic Pulse Surveillance Technology Chris James Engineering Services Manager Dolby Labs Inc. Wootton Bassett - Wiltshire - SN4 8QJ -Original Message- From: Chris Dupres [mailto:chris_dup...@compuserve.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 1999 7:17 AM To: Qu Pingyu Cc: emc-pstc Subject: TEMPEST Hi Qu. You wrote: I don't think that the letters stand for anything, rather it is a (British?) set of performance specs, standards, requirements essentially aimed at maintaing confidential communications. E.g. a Tempest monitor will not bleed video or z modulation signals that may be picked up by a sensitive receiver nearby. I've seen a demosnstration at an exhibition where the exhibitor of an 'Intrusive Monitor System' was able to dut up a screen display of all the screens around him at will, just by homing in on their timebases and video signals with a highly directional antenna. TEMPEST, seeks to eliminate this leak of 'intellligence'. It's not only monitors, but data comms, RF, printers, anthing which could radiate, or conduct, data to an interested and well equipped third party. At least I think that's what it is. :-) Chris Dupres Surrey UK. - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
TEMPEST
Hi Qu. You wrote: I don't think that the letters stand for anything, rather it is a (British?) set of performance specs, standards, requirements essentially aimed at maintaing confidential communications. E.g. a Tempest monitor will not bleed video or z modulation signals that may be picked up by a sensitive receiver nearby. I've seen a demosnstration at an exhibition where the exhibitor of an 'Intrusive Monitor System' was able to dut up a screen display of all the screens around him at will, just by homing in on their timebases and video signals with a highly directional antenna. TEMPEST, seeks to eliminate this leak of 'intellligence'. It's not only monitors, but data comms, RF, printers, anthing which could radiate, or conduct, data to an interested and well equipped third party. At least I think that's what it is. :-) Chris Dupres Surrey UK. - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
TEMPEST
Hello, Group: Can somebody tell me what does TEMPEST stand for ? I know roughly what TEMPEST is about but I can't find out what these 7 letters represent either from books or internet. I suppose this is some kind of abbreviations, isn't it ? Regards Qu Pingyu - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
German Military/NATO TEMPEST Testing
To whom it may concern, Sorry, I've been doing some hard drive cleaning and I've erased the message that asked for German Military emc standards. This is not intended to be a spam, but since this was the only informative response, I've decided to post it. Again, I mean no spamming here. I've been contacted by the gentleman below who informs me that most European countries have a NATO agreement to be TEMPEST compliant. The document numbers may be different, but the testing is basically the same. I suggest you make contact at the address or email below: ---< START OF MESSAGE >--- seth...@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 96-12-23 10:34:16 EST, you write: > << > Could you provide as best you can any details for the following: > > 1. Can the TEMPEST program that's used in the states > be used for German military? > > 2. Your company address, tel, fax, contacts, etc... > >> > Doug, > > 1. the standards are the same in the US and in Europe (and Germany), > however, the document number to certify to is different. Most companies > are > certified BOTH in US and in NATO TEMPEST, but you had best be sure (we > are!). > > 2. SETH Corporation > 117 Allenbill Dr > Johnstown, Pa 15905 > phone 814-255-4417 > fax 814-255-3417 > > Let me know if I can help. Another point of contact (in case I am away) is > Mark Seth, at the same numbers. > > Bruce Archambeault > a...@sethcorp.com ---< END OF MESSAGE >--- *** --- The comments and opinions stated herein are mine alone, and do not reflect those of my employer. --- ***
