[Emc-users] OT Transatlantic Terminology Re: Does EMC support Multi-Core?

2010-10-02 Thread John Prentice
snip

 * Is this just an American colloquialism? I suppose in other parts of
 the English-speaking world one would say dustbin diving?

Skip diving is the usual terminology in UK as a dustbin is more like a trash 
can rather than a dumpster.

John Prentice





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Re: [Emc-users] retrofitting a maho

2010-10-02 Thread Peter Teurlings
Could you email me the full wiring?
that would come in handy for my wiring.

Do you know of any good software to draw wiring diagrams?

2010/9/30 dambacher-retrofit.de i...@dambacher-retrofit.de:
 Am 30.09.2010 17:42, schrieb Peter Teurlings:
 so i can also use this as an emergency stop?
 Yes, on my machine the emergency stop cirquit holds a relais closed and rf is
 directly switched by this relais.



 2010/9/29 dambacher-retrofit.dei...@dambacher-retrofit.de:
 Am 29.09.2010 17:14, schrieb Peter Teurlings:
 Thanks a lot,
 I see that you connected all the RF an JF together.
 is this so everything get's enabled?
 I just put a single pulse on it at startup so everything gets enabled?

 I have the full wiring of this.
 No you need a steady  24V signal to enable. The controller will stop 
 immediately
 if the signal is 0V on RF or on the JF+/- direction you are moving.

 /ulf

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Re: [Emc-users] OT Transatlantic Terminology Re: Does EMC support Multi-Core?

2010-10-02 Thread Don Stanley
On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 4:10 AM, John Prentice j...@castlewd.freeserve.co.uk
 wrote:

 snip
 
  * Is this just an American colloquialism? I suppose in other parts of
  the English-speaking world one would say dustbin diving?
 
 Skip diving is the usual terminology in UK as a dustbin is more like a
 trash
 can rather than a dumpster.

 John Prentice


Hi John;
I am curious about the proper translation for dumpster diving.

Prior to the 1950s the English seemed annoyed with the Americans ability
to turn nouns to verbs and verbs to nouns. For example, we go shopping
instead of going to the shop. That said, the only translation that comes
to
my mind is dumpstering, which I am doubting.

Thanks in advance
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Re: [Emc-users] OT Transatlantic Terminology Re: Does EMC support Multi-Core?

2010-10-02 Thread BRIAN GLACKIN
Plain old curb shopping here...
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Re: [Emc-users] retrofitting a maho

2010-10-02 Thread Ulf Dambacher
Am 02.10.2010 13:24, schrieb Peter Teurlings:
 Could you email me the full wiring?
 that would come in handy for my wiring.

 Do you know of any good software to draw wiring diagrams?


Hi Peter

Can you give me a Hint on what you need in detail?
The full wiring plan of the mh700 is 40pages, the full wiring of the 
2trm3 is DIN-A0, a puzzle of 16 pages.
And the pinouts I sent you an excerpt of this.
And that's the original wirings, not my retrofit. I have not yet done a 
clean rewrite of my hand-written wiring plan.

But as a staring point: I removed the original philips breakout board 
and wired all outputs to my motenc. I used some finder relais to copy 
the original wiring of the gearbox motors. The gearbox logic consists of 
a glue module with a table showing gearbox settings for given spindle 
speeds and a classicladder logic for actually switching the gears.

Software: I use eagle (http://www.cadsoft.de/). Cheap and works for 
platines, wiring diagrams and other things.


bye
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[Emc-users] Possible Bug with Pluto-Step

2010-10-02 Thread S Goldsmith
Hello All,

I have posted details on the EMC Forum with regards to issues when using the
pluto-step with at least three axis enabled.

When Y is commanded feedback is seen on the Z axis which is then followed by
a 'joint 2 following error' in the AXIS GUI.

The pluto_inch.ini and hal files are standard and the EMC Version is
2.5.0-pre.

I have also posted a HAL Scope screenshot on the forum that clearly shows
the interference caused to the Z axis (Axis.2) when Y is commanded (Axis.1).
Any help would be much appreciated.
http://www.linuxcnc.org/component/option,com_kunena/Itemid,20/func,view/catid,38/id,4483/lang,english/

Kind Regards,
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[Emc-users] 7i48 support

2010-10-02 Thread Chris Radek
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 05:28:47PM +0100, Andy Pugh wrote:
 On 29 September 2010 17:16, Caner cnr...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Does HostMot2 support 7i48 daughter board?
 
 http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=emc2.git;a=commit;h=da0d5aa5563de8dc7f8f3a87044bd62e1ade5326
 
 Suggests so (though I am not clear if it is in the main branch, or
 just the development branch)


You are right - that is the commit that added 7i48 support.  I have
a 7i48 in my VMC and it works great.  This is only in git master
version, not in the stable 2.4 release branch.

Chris


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Re: [Emc-users] handwheel tapping

2010-10-02 Thread Kenneth Lerman
Stuart,

See:

http://deepblue.lib.umich.edu/bitstream/2027.42/60859/1/paulgrif_1.pdf

Figure 2.1


Ken

On 10/01/2010 09:32 PM, Stuart Stevenson wrote:
 Hi Ken,
That is a good idea!!! Isn't it possible to use a stepper motor as a pulse
 generator? If so, wouldn't it be possible to variably bias that same stepper
 to achieve the haptic feedback?
 thanks for the idea
 Stuart

 On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Kenneth 
 Lermankenneth.ler...@se-ltd.comwrote:


 Hi Stuart,

 If you are going to do some computer assisted hand tapping, you might
 want to add some haptic feedback. If you measure the spindle current and
 use that as a measure of load, you could drive a small servo connected
 to the mpg and use it as a brake. If you make the braking force
 proportional to the spindle load, that might let you feel when the tap
 gets dull or jams on chips.

 Regards,

 Ken

 On 09/30/2010 09:41 AM, Stuart Stevenson wrote:
  
 Gentlemen,
 I am working on a project on the Enshu. I am not sure how valuable it

 will
  
 be but I sure want to try it. I want to tap threads using the MPG.
 The spindle drive is a full servo. The spindle motor has a resolver

 for
  
 feedback to the spindle drive. The EMC2 DAC signal to the spindle drive

 is
  
 +-10V. I have found a quadrature signal out of the spindle drive. This
 spindle drive uses the resolver feedback to generate this quadrature

 signal
  
 (A and B). The spindle has a prox and amplifier that feeds a signal into

 a
  
 daughterboard on the spindle drive for spindle orientation during tool
 change. The daughter board has a pin that outputs a pulse once per
 revolution corresponding to the radial position of the spindle. I intend

 to
  
 use the A and B as encoder feedback into EMC and the orientation pulse as

 an
  
 index pulse into EMC. This will allow full servo control of the spindle

 as a
  
 C axis.
 I would like ideas on the best way to implement this. I would like to

 have
  
 the spindle set up as a C axis but without a C axis display on the screen
 (unless I am using the C axis as an actual C axis but that is another
 project). I don't think I NEED any display for the spindle for this

 project.
  
 I think I would like to be able to command a G code to engage the spindle
 and an F code for feedrate to move the C and Z in a coordinated fashion.
 Maybe I am thinking backwards. Maybe driving the Z axis with the MPG and

 the
  
 C (spindle) coordinated with the Z is the best way.
 Since I am thinking 'manual' then maybe a button is better than a G

 code.
  
 If I had a button how would I tell the machine the pitch of the thread?
 Maybe a screen display like the FO/SO/MV displays. This would adjust in
 proper increments per the chosen units and allow the MPG to set the pitch
 prior to engaging the coordination button.
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Re: [Emc-users] mouse arrow

2010-10-02 Thread Jon Elson
tom sheehy wrote:
 Emc2 loaded fine and I set up my machine but when I got to the screen to 
 start running the machine around there was a blob instead of a mouse arrow 
 and it wouldn't select anything.  What am I doing wrong
Are you using the 10.04 version?  I have heard of similar problems, 
related to compatibility between
the video driver and the particular video hardware on your system.  You 
might try changing the
video driver to vesa or plain vga.  (I don't know 10.04, so I can't be 
much more specific.)

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Re: [Emc-users] D519MO Boot Problems.

2010-10-02 Thread Jon Elson
Don Stanley wrote:
  It looks as though OLD FAITHFUL DRIVE is sick or been playing in the
 dirt too long; and has cold allergies. The shop temperature dropped to
 ~66 F overnight.
   
It is fairly easy to open up a CD drive and clean the lens with alcohol
and a Q-tip, and then after the alcohol residue dries, wipe with a dry
Q-tip.  This fixes about half of the ones that don't read reliably anymore.
If that doesn't fix it, try another drive.  The lasers get weak, the optics
get dirt where you can't get in and clean them.

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Re: [Emc-users] OT Transatlantic Terminology Re: Does EMC support Multi-Core?

2010-10-02 Thread Jon Elson

 * Is this just an American colloquialism? I suppose in other parts of
 the English-speaking world one would say dustbin diving?
 
Most certainly.  An outfit named Dempster Bros. came out with the 
Dempster Dumpster,
a system of automated truck and containers that could be loaded at an 
industrial facility
and picked up and dumped into the truck.

Just look up Dempster Dumpster or Dempster Dumpmaster on Wikipedia for 
the full story.
Descendants of these things are now in use in the hundred thousands in 
the US, practically
all US industrial garbage from stores, restaurants, shops and factories 
is handled by something
of this nature.

So, in the US, even a 3 year-old probably knows exactly what a 
dumpster looks like and
what it is for.

Jon

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Re: [Emc-users] D519MO Boot Problems.

2010-10-02 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote:

 It is fairly easy to open up a CD drive and clean the lens with alcohol
 and a Q-tip, and then after the alcohol residue dries, wipe with a dry
 Q-tip.

I recommed another technique I used when I was younger and messed with lasers
in the lab. Use optical lens paper (used to be available in camera
stores, in little booklets)
Drop a spot of cleanest alcohol (isopropyl is good, but be careful
that it's pure and the kind with added glycerin;
grain alcohol is fine too) in the middle of the paper. Lay the wet
part flat on the lens and slide it off sideways.
The wet part will clean the lens and then the dry part will dry it.

Qtips, tissue paper, etc. have mineral particles in them as whiteners,
etc, that could scratch the antireflective coating on the lens,
so you want soft paper.

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[Emc-users] Supermax and Fadal Emulators

2010-10-02 Thread Paul Duval
Hi. I'm currently a student and learning the trade. The school has 
Supermax and Mazak lathes as well as Supermax, Mazak and Fadal Milling 
Centers. Using EMC2, I was able to test some of my milling programs 
using the SIM-Mini emulator. However, I'm having difficulties getting 
the simulator to work with drilling cycles and 
sub-routines/sub-programs. I think SIM-Mini is not well suited for that 
purpose. Or is it? How can I use EMC2 to test programs for the Supermax 
and Fadal equipments mentioned above including, obviously, drilling and 
other cycles and sub-programs?

Thanks for help.

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[Emc-users] iocontrol user-enable-out

2010-10-02 Thread Lars Andersson
Hi list,

 

How is iocontrol user-enable-out controlled?

 

I remember using a tool that created a graphic pictore of HAL nets. I have
lost it and cannot find it again. Any pointers please?

 

cheers,

Lars A 

 

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Re: [Emc-users] D510MO boot problems.

2010-10-02 Thread Don Stanley
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Kent A. Reed knbr...@erols.com wrote:

  On 10/1/2010 4:26 PM, Don Stanley wrote:
  Hi All;
  To support the Mill upgrades to EMC2 I purchased
  two D510MO with 2GB RAM each and the MI-100
  chassis.
  (If anyone is interested, the extra $12 and got a)
  (temporature speed controlled fan cooled chassis)
  (with two 4 inch wide slots and one 5.625 inch wide)
  (slot and room for the extra cables)
 
  The problems are:
  On both computers, when I boot EMC 8.04 live disk, in
  the No Change to the Computer mode using a
  USB external CD/DVD drive. All goes well until after
  the orange rectangle goes back and forth then the screen
  goes to text only with the following message:
  udevd-event[1293]: run_program '/sbin/modprob' abnormal exit
 Peter already addressed this one.
  On Computer #1 EMC 10.04 live disk, No Change Mode,
  boots fine. Seems to take 10-15 minutes. When done the latency
  test does nothing. When I attempt to load a example
  machine configuration (.ini and .hal files) also nothing.
  All ubuntu function sceme to work fine.
 
  On Computer #2 EMC 10.04 live disk, No Change, loads
  for 5- 10 minutes and starts an endless string of the following messages:
  [ nnn.nnn] SQUASHFS error unable to Read directory Block [287e7275]
  [ nnn.nnn] SQUASHFS error unable to Read metadata cache entry
 [287e7275]
 
  Can someone tell me the problem. (I sure hope it's me)
 Hmmm. Are these two computers booting from the same CD using the same
 external CD/DVD drive? The error message on Computer #2 is telling us it
 (or, rather the software loader) thinks the file system recorded on the
 CD appears faulty. That makes me lean toward Peter's suggestion that you
 reburn the CD. You might try another drive to burn it on as well.

 I'm really puzzling over the behavior of Computer #1, since it seems to
 have booted. Have you opened a terminal and run the command dmesg to
 see what has been reported during the booting process? If so, do you see
 anything untoward? Error or warning messages?

 I assume when you say the latency test does nothing, you are speaking of
 starting the test from the gui (Applications/CNC/...Latency Test). Try
 starting it in a terminal windows (/usr/bin/latency-test, or just
 latency-test) and see what messages you get. If its working, you'll
 see none. The test will start and a new EMC2/Latency Test window will
 pop open.

 Let us know what you find.

 Regards,
 Kent

It was a tired OLD FATEFUL external drive giving up the ghost and
the overnight cold front lowered the shop temp to push it over the edge.
After it was left on all day and warmed up it, got over it enough to load
EMC 'no change' just fine. However if failed with unrecoverable errors
about 70% through the install.
Retirement time.

Thanks for your help.
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Re: [Emc-users] D519MO Boot Problems.

2010-10-02 Thread Don Stanley
On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Przemek Klosowski 
przemek.klosow...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote:

  It is fairly easy to open up a CD drive and clean the lens with alcohol
  and a Q-tip, and then after the alcohol residue dries, wipe with a dry
  Q-tip.

 I recommed another technique I used when I was younger and messed with
 lasers
 in the lab. Use optical lens paper (used to be available in camera
 stores, in little booklets)
 Drop a spot of cleanest alcohol (isopropyl is good, but be careful
 that it's pure and the kind with added glycerin;
 grain alcohol is fine too) in the middle of the paper. Lay the wet
 part flat on the lens and slide it off sideways.
 The wet part will clean the lens and then the dry part will dry it.

Yes; you reminded of the technique we used to clean optics in a PME
Lab in 1959-60. However lens paper was Military issue.


 Qtips, tissue paper, etc. have mineral particles in them as whiteners,
 etc, that could scratch the antireflective coating on the lens,
 so you want soft paper.


Thanks guys it looks like the Old Drive is going into forced retirement.
Don



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[Emc-users] Intel D510MO ITX Motherboard

2010-10-02 Thread Andy Ibbotson
Hi Everyone,
Here is some info:
Following on from a thread a few weeks ago re. ITX boards, I've just bought one 
of the above motherboards.  It is very small and quiet (no fan),  I've 
connected it to my Kingston SSD 30Gb solid state drive and all looks good.  Its 
going to make a very small PC system to run the mill.  I had to download the 
10.04 Lucid Lynx disto as Hardy Heron did not want to load.  I used UNETBOOTIN 
to create a bootable USB stick - this worked really well and created a bootable 
USB drive with no issues.  I've run the latency test via the live install and 
get max jitters on the base thread of around 4000 to 6000 ns which looks very 
good to me.  I will install to disk tomorrow night if I have time.

Here are the questions:
If anyone else is using this board are there any config tips? (I've set the LPT 
to EPP mode in BIOS) 
Can anyone advise me on how to create a bare bones 10.04 setup please? (the 
mill PC is only used to mill + grab OS / EMC updates)
When running from the Live CD I can set the base period to 17000ns anything 
less generates RTAPI delays - is this in keeping with the jitter values?

Many thanks.
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Re: [Emc-users] iocontrol user-enable-out

2010-10-02 Thread Don Stanley
On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Lars Andersson l...@larsandersson.comwrote:

 Hi list,



 How is iocontrol user-enable-out controlled?

That is the pin that goes false when an Estop condition exists, as the
Integrator Manual states.
In the EMC Axis display, the button in the upper left with a red circle and
white X inside displays the state of that pin and provides an operator
input to control the state except when some internal condition is causing
Estop. (Other ENC displays have their own button arrangements).
Typically an external Estop button or an EMC axis (joint) tracking error
are the type events that will drive that pin false.

Through whatever logic you setup in the .hal file to drive
iocontrol.n.emc-enable-in true should require iocontrol user-enable-out
to be true.
Good luck
Don




 I remember using a tool that created a graphic pictore of HAL nets. I have
 lost it and cannot find it again. Any pointers please?



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Re: [Emc-users] iocontrol user-enable-out

2010-10-02 Thread Igor Chudov
On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 5:48 PM, Don Stanley dstanley1...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Lars Andersson l...@larsandersson.comwrote:

 Hi list,



 How is iocontrol user-enable-out controlled?

 That is the pin that goes false when an Estop condition exists, as the
 Integrator Manual states.
 In the EMC Axis display, the button in the upper left with a red circle and
 white X inside displays the state of that pin and provides an operator
 input to control the state except when some internal condition is causing
 Estop. (Other ENC displays have their own button arrangements).
 Typically an external Estop button or an EMC axis (joint) tracking error
 are the type events that will drive that pin false.

By the way, I wish that the button would be improved and offered more
descriptive and distinct pictures. Like red STOP and green button
depending on state. The difference is not easy to tell.

i

 Through whatever logic you setup in the .hal file to drive
 iocontrol.n.emc-enable-in true should require iocontrol user-enable-out
 to be true.
    Good luck
        Don




 I remember using a tool that created a graphic pictore of HAL nets. I have
 lost it and cannot find it again. Any pointers please?



 cheers,

 Lars A




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Re: [Emc-users] Intel D510MO ITX Motherboard

2010-10-02 Thread Jon Elson
Andy Ibbotson wrote:
 When running from the Live CD I can set the base period to 17000ns anything 
 less generates RTAPI delays - is this in keeping with the jitter values?
   
The jitter is only part of the story.  When you put tasks in the base 
thread, they have to finish executing within that
thread time.  Unfortunately, it is not very easy to find out how long 
each particular task takes to run on any
specific CPU.  There are statistics that rtapi takes, however, and so 
you can check the statistics on all the
tasks in your base thread and add them up.  You then need to leave a 
good cushion to cover cache flushes and
other things that slow the CPU down from time to time.  While 4 - 6 us 
jitter is QUITE good, that is just the
scheduling jitter, ir tells you very little about how much the tasks 
need.  If your base thread tasks take 15 us
to complete, then clearly adding 4 - 6 us jitter, you will have trouble 
with a 17 us base period.

Jon

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Re: [Emc-users] iocontrol user-enable-out

2010-10-02 Thread Jon Elson
Igor Chudov wrote:

 By the way, I wish that the button would be improved and offered more
 descriptive and distinct pictures. Like red STOP and green button
 depending on state. The difference is not easy to tell.
   
Yeah, this has been a long-term annoyance, like since the first actual 
GUI was done.
Unfortunately, the simple graphical widgets provided by various toolkits 
limit the
flexibility in this regard.  You have to make up your own custom widgets 
to get
changes of color when selected or true/false.  Maybe Python gives more 
options,
but the Tcl/Tk widgets definitely have these limits.

The raised/depressed border scheme only works if you are very close to 
the screen,
which is not the typical arrangement for EMC users.

Jon

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[Emc-users] M101 - M199 problem

2010-10-02 Thread Mike Cinquino
Hello, I am having a problem getting a custom M101 to work. I building a
custom tool changer and I am controlling it with an arduino board. I need to
send a BCD signal over a spare parallel port. I have a C program that
accomplishes this and I can make it work by running it from a terminal. I do
however need to run it with sudo. Because of this I also tried a bash script
that called the C program and got the same result (no response). Both work
from the command line.  I get no errors from EMC2. The spare port is not
used by EMC2. It is actually the port on the mother board. My machine is
running off a PCI parallel port card. The files are also in the appropriate
directory.

I have entered a echo command in the bash script that is shown when I run it
from the command prompt. When run from EMC2 should it appear in a terminal
window?

I realize I could use classic ladder to accomplish this as well but I don't
see why this is not working?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Mike
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Re: [Emc-users] M101 - M199 problem

2010-10-02 Thread Igor Chudov
Try this: go to your directory with all G code functions etc (program_prefix).

Then:

(
  echo '#!/bin/bash'
  echo 'echo date  /tmp/M156'
)  M156
chmod 755 M156

then call M156 from EMC2

Then look at file /tmp/M156



On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 8:57 PM, Mike Cinquino mcinqu...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello, I am having a problem getting a custom M101 to work. I building a
 custom tool changer and I am controlling it with an arduino board. I need to
 send a BCD signal over a spare parallel port. I have a C program that
 accomplishes this and I can make it work by running it from a terminal. I do
 however need to run it with sudo. Because of this I also tried a bash script
 that called the C program and got the same result (no response). Both work
 from the command line.  I get no errors from EMC2. The spare port is not
 used by EMC2. It is actually the port on the mother board. My machine is
 running off a PCI parallel port card. The files are also in the appropriate
 directory.

 I have entered a echo command in the bash script that is shown when I run it
 from the command prompt. When run from EMC2 should it appear in a terminal
 window?

 I realize I could use classic ladder to accomplish this as well but I don't
 see why this is not working?

 Any help would be greatly appreciated.

 Thanks,
 Mike
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