Re: [Emc-users] AVR Gadget, was: scale/encoder
Ah, sorry Peter. For some reason, I made the assumption you were from the UK. ;-) My ancestors came from both the Bavarian region as well as from Prussia. Mark On 10/31/2010 03:51 PM, Peter Blodow wrote: Hi Mark, thanks a lot for the explanations. Language cousins is right - German and English separated about 1200 or 1400 years ago. I'm glad I can follow this mail group's proceedings having stopped practicising English some 45 years ago when I returned from an exchange student stay in Michigan to my family home in Germany. We have, of course, our special expressions in German, too, what's more, we speak Bavarian herabouts which even normal Germans wouldn't understand. But I enjoy this a lot since languages, especially indo-germanic languages, and their history are my big second hobby. Best wishes from Bavaria Peter Mark Wendt (Contractor) schrieb: At 02:27 PM 10/30/2010, you wrote: Hello Steve, hello Mark, how about a dictionary for non-US-slang people? Yappadappa doo Peter Blodow Hi Peter, Ah yes, the old cousins separated by a common language thing. How in the world do y'all survive? ;-) A doohickey, a whatchamacallit, or a thingamajig are three words that describe the exact same thing. That thing, which we usually can't remember the correct name for, can be called any of the above three words. Of course, a few choice 4-letter words which may come to mind when said doohickey, whatchamacallit, or thingamajig isn't working quite right are also apropos, as is sometimes throwing said doohickey against the veritable brick wall. I leave the rest to your imagination. Mark -- Nokia and ATT present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North America contest Create new apps games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in U.S. and Canada $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M in marketing Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish to Ovi Store http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Nokia and ATT present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North America contest Create new apps games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in U.S. and Canada $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M in marketing Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish to Ovi Store http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Nokia and ATT present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North America contest Create new apps games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in U.S. and Canada $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M in marketing Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish to Ovi Store http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Programmable temperature controller software for linux?
Igor, Wouldn't a PID temp controller be cheaper and easier? I use a Honeywell PID temp controller on my bamboo heat treating convection oven, but you can usually pick up a Watlow PID temp controller on eBay for under $50. And, once the PID controller learns the ramp up and ramp down times and temps for the oven, it's all automagic. Mark On 10/31/2010 11:52 PM, Igor Chudov wrote: I would like to know if there is something for Linux that could control heat treating ovens, like this one. http://igor.chudov.com/misc/ebay/tmp/Elgin/15-2-4.jpg.html thanks -- Nokia and ATT present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North America contest Create new apps games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in U.S. and Canada $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M in marketing Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish to Ovi Store http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Nokia and ATT present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North America contest Create new apps games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in U.S. and Canada $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M in marketing Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish to Ovi Store http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Programmable temperature controller software for linux?
On 11/01/2010 01:28 AM, Jon Elson wrote: Igor Chudov wrote: I would like to know if there is something for Linux that could control heat treating ovens, like this one. I got a ramp and soak temperature controller on eBay for about $50. These look like the typical 1/16 DIN controller units, but have additional programming features in them, so you can set multiple setpoints with programmed ramp times between them and programmed soak times at each temp. So, you get the program, the thermocouple signal conditioning and the SSR output control all in one box. You'd pay WAY more for this as a PC plug-in card, and could wait years to find one on eBay. The ramp and soak controllers come up quite frequently, though. Jon Jon, That's what I was pointing out to Igor. Those things work great, and are relatively inexpensive on the 'Bay. Heck, the new house thermostat I bought about 8 months ago has the PID fuzzy logic built into it. After a learning cycle or two, the thermostat knows exactly when to turn the heater/air conditioner on so that the house is at the set temp by the set time. Pretty cool stuff. Watlow controllers are one of the more used PID temp controllers out there, and you can always find a bunch of them available on eBay. Probably need an SSR to carry the voltage of the heat elements in that oven though, so look for a Watlow controller that has either logic voltage or DC voltage as it's output. You can find controllers with built in relays, but they won't be able to handle the voltage or current necessary for the oven that Igor is looking at. Mark -- Nokia and ATT present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North America contest Create new apps games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in U.S. and Canada $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M in marketing Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish to Ovi Store http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] AVR Gadget, was: scale/encoder
On 30 October 2010 19:27, Peter Blodow p.blo...@dreki.de wrote: As long as it's a doohickey. A thingamijig with the same functions would just be a waste of time and money, and a whatchamacallit is just way too out of line to even consider. ;-) Hello Steve, hello Mark, how about a dictionary for non-US-slang people? My German engineering friend suggests Dingsdabumsda as the translation for all three words. (She speaks pretty much perfect English. to the extent that people are generally surprised to learn she is German) -- atp -- Nokia and ATT present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North America contest Create new apps games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in U.S. and Canada $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M in marketing Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish to Ovi Store http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] AVR Gadget, was: scale/encoder
On 11/01/2010 07:40 AM, Andy Pugh wrote: Hello Steve, hello Mark, how about a dictionary for non-US-slang people? My German engineering friend suggests Dingsdabumsda as the translation for all three words. (She speaks pretty much perfect English. to the extent that people are generally surprised to learn she is German) I like that one! I'll have to try and remember it! Mark -- Nokia and ATT present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North America contest Create new apps games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in U.S. and Canada $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M in marketing Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish to Ovi Store http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Programmable temperature controller software for linux?
There are thermocouple to digital converter integrated circuit,( e.g. Maxim MAX6675) which would be a good place to start if you want to build something. There are also a number of kiln controllers on the market. Craig On 11/1/2010 12:44 AM, Mark Wendt wrote: On 11/01/2010 01:28 AM, Jon Elson wrote: Igor Chudov wrote: I would like to know if there is something for Linux that could control heat treating ovens, like this one. I got a ramp and soak temperature controller on eBay for about $50. These look like the typical 1/16 DIN controller units, but have additional programming features in them, so you can set multiple setpoints with programmed ramp times between them and programmed soak times at each temp. So, you get the program, the thermocouple signal conditioning and the SSR output control all in one box. You'd pay WAY more for this as a PC plug-in card, and could wait years to find one on eBay. The ramp and soak controllers come up quite frequently, though. Jon Jon, That's what I was pointing out to Igor. Those things work great, and are relatively inexpensive on the 'Bay. Heck, the new house thermostat I bought about 8 months ago has the PID fuzzy logic built into it. After a learning cycle or two, the thermostat knows exactly when to turn the heater/air conditioner on so that the house is at the set temp by the set time. Pretty cool stuff. Watlow controllers are one of the more used PID temp controllers out there, and you can always find a bunch of them available on eBay. Probably need an SSR to carry the voltage of the heat elements in that oven though, so look for a Watlow controller that has either logic voltage or DC voltage as it's output. You can find controllers with built in relays, but they won't be able to handle the voltage or current necessary for the oven that Igor is looking at. Mark -- Nokia and ATT present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North America contest Create new apps games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in U.S. and Canada $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M in marketing Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish to Ovi Store http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Nokia and ATT present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North America contest Create new apps games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in U.S. and Canada $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M in marketing Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish to Ovi Store http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Question about G81
You can't get rotary motion within a canned cycle. The documentation alludes to this: Rotational axis words are allowed in canned cycles, but it is better to omit them. If rotational axis words are used, the numbers must be the same as the current position numbers so that the rotational axes do not move. The documentation isn't exactly accurate about the current implementation: If the canned cycle G-word and the rotational axis word appear on the same line, it's currently rejected with an error: G81 ... A90 but if they appear on subsequent lines, it's accepted but the behavior is probably not what the operator desired: G81 ... A90 A future version of emc will correctly tighten the use of incorrect axis words in canned cycles. It will consistently reject ABC no matter what the active plane is. If the active plane is in the XYZ family, it will reject UVW. If the active plane is in the UVW family, it will reject XYZ. I've chosen to hold this change until the next new-feature relase of emc (e.g., 2.5.x). It won't be in 2.4.x for a number of reasons. First, the way to avoid this problem is simple (don't specify the rotary axis words where they won't have the desired effect). Second, just in case there are existing part programs out there with the rotary motions specified and that *do* work as intended (for instance, because they respecify the current rotary axis position) , I don't want to cause them to be rejected in a bugfix update to the software. I'm also not against allowing all axis letters in canned cycles, but the difficulty of implementing that is much greater than the difficulty of just adding the proper checks to make sure that whatever is accepted will behave sensibly. The assumption that only 3 axes are moving during a canned cycle is seen pretty thoroughly in the canned cycle code. Jeff -- Nokia and ATT present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North America contest Create new apps games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in U.S. and Canada $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M in marketing Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish to Ovi Store http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Question about G81
Gentlemen, I can see many cases of ABC motion in a canned cycle being very useful ie. a cylindrical part in a rotary table. A canned cycle could easily drill multiple holes in a cylindrical part with multiple holes in the periphery of the part. I can only imagine a few ABC configurations where the command would not make sense. It seems XYZ/UVW could be mixed and useful. In use I suspect it would be subject to moments of terror. :) thanks Stuart -- dos centavos -- Nokia and ATT present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North America contest Create new apps games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in U.S. and Canada $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M in marketing Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish to Ovi Store http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Question about G81
On Mon, 2010-11-01 at 14:22 -0500, Stuart Stevenson wrote: Gentlemen, I can see many cases of ABC motion in a canned cycle being very useful ie. a cylindrical part in a rotary table. A canned cycle could easily drill multiple holes in a cylindrical part with multiple holes in the periphery of the part. I can only imagine a few ABC configurations where the command would not make sense. It seems XYZ/UVW could be mixed and useful. In use I suspect it would be subject to moments of terror. :) thanks Stuart Taking a different view, all axes are still usable from CAM or O-word scripts, just not from canned g-words. It seems there is an overlap of functionality between CAM, O and G that could become a detriment to the whole (feature creep?). I find the simplicity of G0 and G1 appealing. Although, I guess g-code could be considered a corruption of NML. -- Kirk Wallace http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/ http://www.wallacecompany.com/E45/index.html California, USA -- Nokia and ATT present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North America contest Create new apps games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in U.S. and Canada $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M in marketing Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish to Ovi Store http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] More Intel D510 strangeness?
I have had a similar problem booting from CD / DVD drives. In the end I booted from a USB memory stick - this worked well. I've now installed Ubuntu 10. distro with EMC 2.4.5. Checking DMESG output for parallel port info. I see only partport0: PC-style at 0x378, irq 7 [PCSPP]. I've turned off hyperthreading, set the port to EPP in BIOS and have ISOLCPUS=1 in my GRUB config file. System seems to work well with latencies of around 6000 ns on the base thread. I have tested EMC using a .ini file base period of 2ns - all seems well and much better than my old AMD based motherboard. At present I'm waiting for my 7i43 card to arrive and so I am interested to see what happens with the parallel port issue. It seems that is can be forced to EPP mode however, Ubuntu should detect the available modes - a bug? Andy Ibbotson -- From: Steve Blackmore st...@pilotltd.net Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2010 2:21 PM To: EMC2-Users-List emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users] More Intel D510 strangeness? On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 08:28:15 -0400, you wrote: The circumstances you describe are strange---the problematic CD installs on other machines and other CDs install on the machine in question. If I were there I'd be applying the tried-and-true brute force and ignorance approach I learned on my uncle's farm. By the way, I don't remember whether you told us how your CD-drive is interfaced---IDE/PATA, SATA, USB? Both the drives I tried were SATA DVD writers, one an LG slimline (which is installed in the case the motherboard is now in, and the other a HP one borrowed out of one of our new servers :) It read the drive initially, loads the first splash screen and just stops and never progresses further. If you press enter at that point it goes to the options screen, selecting any of the displayed options does nothing. Got to be something different in the EMC distro cd than the official ubuntu cd that prevents it loading the operating system fully via SATA cd/dvd. Steve Blackmore -- -- Nokia and ATT present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North America contest Create new apps games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in U.S. and Canada $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M in marketing Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish to Ovi Store http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Nokia and ATT present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North America contest Create new apps games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in U.S. and Canada $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M in marketing Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish to Ovi Store http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] AVR Gadget, was: scale/encoder
On Mon, Nov 01, 2010 at 07:46:58AM -0400, Mark Wendt wrote: On 11/01/2010 07:40 AM, Andy Pugh wrote: Hello Steve, hello Mark, how about a dictionary for non-US-slang people? My German engineering friend suggests Dingsdabumsda as the translation for all three words. (She speaks pretty much perfect English. to the extent that people are generally surprised to learn she is German) I like that one! I'll have to try and remember it! If that's a bit long, the bunch of German telecommunications engineers I worked with for a few months in Munich, just used Dingsboms. (Pronounced dingce-bomce, rather than dings-bombs, i.e. sharp Ss.) Sometimes, Dingsda was used instead. That's probably the easiest form. With my limited German, it was a very useful word, I found. (Especially in the design labs where I worked.) Erik -- Nokia and ATT present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North America contest Create new apps games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in U.S. and Canada $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M in marketing Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish to Ovi Store http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] AVR Gadget, was: scale/encoder
On Mon, Nov 01, 2010 at 12:18:52AM -0500, Jon Elson wrote: Erik Christiansen wrote: Yeah, my old STK500 won't cut it either. A JTAG ICE is several hundred dollars, and their AVR ONE is twice that. :-( Xilinx has a diagram for their Parallel Cable III on their web site, and it is a 74HC126 driver chip and a few RC networks, incredibly simple. I've installed build-essentials, and am compiling the latest avrdude (AVR programmer client). The version in the ubuntu 8.04 package won't support xmega or their PDI programming interface. I'm still figuring whether it can work with a minimal JTAG interface like the neat one you describe. (A quick rummage in my junkbox would unearth the few parts required. :-) The AVRISP is only US$34, but freight is doubtless more than that, on top. That's a waste, so I'll try to use your idea. Erik -- If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried. - Ralf Hildebrandt, on postfix-users. -- Nokia and ATT present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North America contest Create new apps games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in U.S. and Canada $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M in marketing Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish to Ovi Store http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
