Re: [Emc-users] AMD based Mini-ITX Mobo, Good option?

2012-09-18 Thread Eric Keller
I got mine today, it's been super busy so I'm not sure when I'm going to be
able to power it up

On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Joe Spanier  wrote:

> Thanks for all the replys. For the ones that have worked with this board
> are the graphics drivers fairly straight forward, or is this a graphics
> card that will take lots of hunting and hacking in xorg to get going? Im
> looking for the most straight forward motherboard solution I can find. Im
> going to end up building at least 3 PCs to run a router, mill and lathe,
> and I would like to do as little hacking with this stuff as possible.
>
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Re: [Emc-users] For anybody considering upgrading their motherboard in the next few months.

2012-09-18 Thread John Stewart
Kent;


...
>  I processed an AISC steel 
> structure model that Bob Lipman in my group had developed for an 
> international data exchange standardization effort--

I know Bob Lipman, back when I was doing lots with the Web3D Consortium. Very 
nice, quiet man, and I always found his company a pleasure.

Putting my 3D software into the PDF reader was something that was requested, 
but there are just too many hours in the day. Getting it to work as a browser 
plugin, cross platform, was more than enough of a pain, especially when the 
browser wars were at their peak.



Bob made the "VRML Plugin Detector", which was recognized as one of the 
standard VRML/X3D tests for HTML browsers with a VRML/X3D plugin.

3D on the web is an interesting subject; for a little while I was a 
representative of the Web3D Consortium for the HTML5 Working Group.  It was 
certainly an interesting time, but not one that I'm eager to repeat.

The open source VRML/X3D browser that I managed was the largest open source 
project, and the longest running open source project, managed by the Canadian 
Federal Government. 

Unfortunately, or maybe fortunately, getting traction internally for this set 
of projects was difficult, so, although the work and people interesting, I'm 
glad to not be involved in these groups officially any more. One of my 
colleagues (and, competitors) in the X3D environment is now technical director 
of Shapeways, so the world is indeed a small place. 

Although I was paid to write/manage this software by the Canadian Government, 
if I *did* have $0.50c for every download, my workshop would be a lot larger 
and more impressive than it is now!

8-)

Another John Stewart.



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Re: [Emc-users] For anybody considering upgrading their motherboard in the next few months.

2012-09-18 Thread Kent A. Reed
On 9/18/2012 4:03 PM, John Prentice (FS) wrote:
> Greetings
>
>   
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Joseph Chiu [mailto:joec...@joechiu.com]
>
>
>
> Not sure about the tablet side of the equation -- but if you want to give 
> exploded diagrams, you might consider 3D PDFs which can be opened by Adobe 
> Reader.
>
>   
>
>   
>
> But beware 3D PDFs have been dropped in Acrobat X
>
>   
>
> John Prentice
>

Well, the Adobe effort to include 3D information moved forward along 
three paths in the early- to mid-2000s.

- The compound PDF file structure required modification to allow 
inclusion of so-called Universal 3D datasets (a format Adobe got from 
elsewhere), which when independent files were usually given the .u3d 
suffix. They've also included PRC data (not something I know much about).

- The PDF file structure required tweaking to allow links between the 3D 
data and other data in a compound PDF file such as 2D and text objects..

- There had to be Adobe software products (sell-able products, by the 
way) that made it possible for us mere mortals make this all useful in 
our work. I suspect the first Adobe reader that could display and 
manipulate u3d data was accomplished by cobbling together Adobe and 
third-party software and I suspect the first Adobe Acrobat to include 3D 
capability (version 9?) was too.


My group was one of the very first to demonstrate that one could embed a 
3D object into the new PDF structures and use it downstream, back when 
the toolchains were still rather fragmented. I processed an AISC steel 
structure model that Bob Lipman in my group had developed for an 
international data exchange standardization effort---called 
CIMSteel---in which the AISC represented the USA, creating first a .u3d 
file and then embedding it properly, and posting instructions so the 
rest of the steel design and fabrication members of the standardization 
group could use the technique. No biggie, but it seemed important at the 
time.


My thought back then was that Adobe's strategic plan to "own" the 
engineering-, construction-, and manufacturing-documentation market 
wasn't going to hold up, but I never made money selling anything so what 
did I know:-) They were being urged on by certain CAD software houses 
who wanted to head off certain other CAD software houses from "owning" 
this same market with the introduction of other proprietary formats and 
tools. No names please.

Since that time, of course, there has been an explosion of formats, 
tools, and standards to support collaborative engineering and, indeed, 
entire product/project life-cycle work, shredding any such strategic plan.

So far as I know, the current PDF specification still allows for 
inclusion of 3D data and still allows for linkage between  different 
types of data in different PDF objects. I see no reason for that to change.

However, within one release cycle, Adobe appears to have stopped 
development of the software components that process 3D data from 
different sources into pdf files. Look instead for products from tetra4D 
http://www.tetra4d.com/3D-PDF

Nobody I was working with at the time was interested* in screens the 
sizes we see in today's phones and tablets, but I suspect this position 
has changed for three reasons: 1) the vast reduction in hardware prices 
in less than a decade; they are no longer budget-busters; 1) growing 
familiarity with the hardware platforms; many already have them for 
other reasons and increasingly expect to be able to do anything and 
everything with them; and 3) the user interfaces keep getting better. 
I've even seen electronic "redlining" and field annotation being done on 
a small screen, but it's not a game for my sore eyes and fumble fingers.


Regards,
Kent

*the construction industry, for example, routinely works with ANSI 
Arch-E (roughly ISO A0) size drawings, and the ship builders wanted even 
bigger.

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Re: [Emc-users] Using MPG under world mode

2012-09-18 Thread Belli Button
Hi All,

Can I jog using an MPG in world mode?  Surely if it is possible to jog 
manually the MPG can be made to work?

Is there a widget, component or hal thingy that will allow "if homed = true 
then mode = world mode", save me having to do it manually everytime.

Thanks,


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Re: [Emc-users] For anybody considering upgrading their motherboard in the next few months.

2012-09-18 Thread John Prentice (FS)
Greetings

 

-Original Message-
From: Joseph Chiu [mailto:joec...@joechiu.com] 



Not sure about the tablet side of the equation -- but if you want to give 
exploded diagrams, you might consider 3D PDFs which can be opened by Adobe 
Reader.

 

 

But beware 3D PDFs have been dropped in Acrobat X

 

John Prentice

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Re: [Emc-users] AMD based Mini-ITX Mobo, Good option?

2012-09-18 Thread Peter C. Wallace

On Tue, 18 Sep 2012, Joe Spanier wrote:


Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 05:47:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: Joe Spanier 
To: "emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net" 
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] AMD based Mini-ITX Mobo, Good option?

Thanks for all the replys. For the ones that have worked with this board are 
the graphics drivers fairly straight forward, or is this a graphics card 
that will take lots of hunting and hacking in xorg to get going? Im looking 
for the most straight forward motherboard solution I can find. Im going to 
end up building at least 3 PCs to run a router, mill and lathe, and I would 
like to do as little hacking with this stuff as possible. 


Thanks,
Joe


My installation was this:

Unplug Sata drive from D525
Plug Sata drive into AMD system

Done

Peter Wallace
Mesa Electronics

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Re: [Emc-users] AMD based Mini-ITX Mobo, Good option?

2012-09-18 Thread Joe Spanier
Thanks for all the replys. For the ones that have worked with this board are 
the graphics drivers fairly straight forward, or is this a graphics card that 
will take lots of hunting and hacking in xorg to get going? Im looking for the 
most straight forward motherboard solution I can find. Im going to end up 
building at least 3 PCs to run a router, mill and lathe, and I would like to do 
as little hacking with this stuff as possible. 

Thanks,
Joe
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Re: [Emc-users] For anybody considering upgrading their motherboard in the next few months.

2012-09-18 Thread Mark Wendt
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 12:07 PM, yann jautard  wrote:
>
> In the linux world, when a switch like that happens (for a user
> interface or for a system library), the new version is always still
> something I personally consider as a beta version, without most of the
> "must have" features. So you just CANNOT be used to the new one, as it
> is just not possible to do very simple things like sorting programs by
> categories ans create a launcher on the desktop...
> And also the old apps cannot be used with the new system, or you need to
> recompile them for yourself, and solve a large amount of problems with
> the new libraries. And be happy if you can solve them :/
>
> just my two cents...
>
> yann

Well, that's kinda where M$ ran into a lot of security problems,
trying to support legacy applications.  I'd much rather take the
Unix/Linux approach, and have to recompile and rebuild, than spend
weeks hardening a system just to keep a 15 year old piece of software
working "like it used to."

Mark

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