Re: [Emc-users] explanation of Linux/EMC

[jeanfrancois]

Good evening Dominic Francisco,


Could your 'cognoscenti' explain the process of adapting the Linux/EMC

to our machines?

Linux CNC is a very versatile software running real time controlling the CNC 
motors, similar to Mach-3
for example. It can be tweaked to meet different machines, interfaces, and 
integrated in very different
hardware.

Depending on your hardware the ways you want to upgrade or modify it, LinuxCNC 
can take care to control
motors, auxiliary, displays, HMI, etc 


Is this system a NC controller, does it resemble the contemporary NC 
controllers such as the Pico, Centroid,

Mesa & MACH-3 systems? does it contain similar hardware: encoders, tachos, 
amps, A/D, D/A converters,
zero-crossing detectors & a motherboard? Or does it consist only of software?

It is possible to integrate hardware interfaces through HAL (hardware 
abstraction layer) which makes
possible to 'wire' hardware with LinuxCNC and integrate the devices you mention.

In principle it is used on a computer with direct access to the servo drivers 
(electronic motors controllers).

Jean-François

Le 10/05/2022 à 19:42, Dominic Francisco a écrit :

Boun Giorno to the Cognoscenti:
 Our non-profit, veteransinitiatives.org nee 'VITAL', is a 501, C-19,
whose members compose a mouthy collection of gun-totin', somewhat
irreverent (somewhat?) reprobates who have defended our priceless Nation.
 We are composed of machinists, chemists, mechanics, patternmakers,
electroplaters, welders & 1 metallurgist (you never want more than 1 of
them in your rabble!)
 Our mission is to teach
the elements of mfg technology to our most deserving citizen, our DisAbled
American Veteran (DAV) & our ambulatory Paralyzed Veteran (PVA), so they
may obtain career employment in our Nation's mfg sector. this is a
'thinly-veiled program' to save lives; that is, the lives of MilVets who
have returned from the 'killing fields'.
 For the last 4 years we have been moving machinery (~35 tons) from our
shop in CA, to the primitive, eastern territory of Nevada; this is mining
country: Au, Ag, Pt, Cu, Rh, W 
 We have several machines we wish to convert to 4-axis NC. one of these
monsters is a Monarch 75 VMC, equipped with ~100 lb servos. we have removed
the GE-550 'refrigerator'.
 Could your 'cognoscenti' explain the process of adapting the Linux/EMC
to our machines? is this system a NC controller, does it resemble the
contemporary NC controllers such as the Pico, Centroid, Mesa & MACH-3
systems? does it contain similar hardware: encoders, tachos, amps, A/D, D/A
converters, zero-crossing detectors & a motherboard?
   Or does it consist only of software?

 Please be as specific as you might,with your recommendations.

  May our Lord protect our valiant warriors,
 dominic francisco
df.milv...@gmail.com
veteransinitiatives.org

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Re: [Emc-users] Laser measurement sensor

[jeanfrancois]

I'll need to conduct testing, thanks for the info. I may have been
mistaken.

Jean-François

Le 08/03/2022 à 10:09, gene heskett a écrit :

On Tuesday, 8 March 2022 02:16:38 EST jeanfrancois wrote:

Hi, goog day

Interesting, we areworking on the development of 3D printer, although
it's using an uncalibrated magnetic sensor, I haven't yet tested its
accuracy. It was said .1 is difficult to reach with this, and instead
some use a contact probe for the Z homing purpose.

I find it surprising that you make such a statement. My Prusa MK3S+ has
no home switches on the twin z screws, using an inductive prox sensor on
the head assembly for everything. The bed does not even have leveling
screws. Any unflat error is mapped by measuring the bed at 49 places on a
grid before every print, including z screw sync and compensating by
useing that measured map as the zero reference as it moves during a
print.


Regards

Jean-François

Le 08/03/2022 à 02:12, gene heskett a écrit :

On Monday, 7 March 2022 15:32:57 EST jeanfrancois wrote:

Are ultrasonic sensors doing the job in that tolerance ?

Some are. but there is a problem in the focusing the sound into a
tight enough beam to only measure the target, is actually a
physically large problem. So a real tight beam, similar to a red
laser pointer, takes a rather large apparatus. Impractical in the
average machine shop. Much better to use a little one for under a
couple inches as a limit switch, but inductive switches are much
better suited for that job. And in the current tech as an example, I
have a BIQU BX printer that reads the flatness of its steel build
plate before starting each print, records the differences in it
height at 25 locations on the bed, and then uses that error mapping
to naintain a nozzle to bed spacing of .12mm plus or minus .01 mm
anyplace on the bed with the same sensor used on the prusa.  I have
a Prusa MK3S+ that measures 49 places on a similar sized bed. The
BIQU BX at $550, beats the pants off the $800 Prusa for quality of
output. The Prusa fills the vacant inside of a cylinder with hair,
the BIQU is clean and smooth.  Could be a cura setting difference,
or even the precursor to a thermocouple failure that currently has
my Prusa on the injured list. Worse, Prusa does not have the part
and hasn't had it in several months. And does not appear to care,
and that does upset me.

Take care and stay well.


Jean-François

Le 07/03/2022 à 21:01, gene heskett a écrit :

On Monday, 7 March 2022 12:44:21 EST Thaddeus Waldner wrote:

Hi,

I’m looking for a laser distance sensor with about 1-3 thousandths
resolution and about a 5-10” working range. I wouldn’t mind buying
a
used unit.

1. I didn't know they came in that high a resolution w/o needing a
quorum of the US Senate to authorize the payment, then signed by
the
President.

If you want to know why, calculate the time difference of that 3
thousandths of an inch increment, remembering that it has to travel
out, and back to the measuring device, equal to C/2 in speed. You
will I suspect will come up with a very small fraction of a
picosecond.

Interferometry can measure that change, but the mod function to
detect
the individual null and count it has to start at zero, or a known
micron sized distance before it can count the nulls passing by as
it
moves from zip distance, back to your point of interest at a 12"
max
range. Moving slow enough to count, will take a 2048 bit counter
and
several days.

Technically, we can do it but you'll need a couple of dump trucks
full of gold to finance one neasurement. We can't yet buy a
calibrated answer in 10 milliseconds for a $500 bill.  Someday?
Maybe, but it may take a new method to be invented.


Does anyone here know of some brands/ models to check out?

Google has pointed me at some Acuity products but I wondered if
there
were other options besides that.

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Re: [Emc-users] Laser measurement sensor

[jeanfrancois]

Hi, goog day

Interesting, we areworking on the development of 3D printer, although
it's using an uncalibrated magnetic sensor, I haven't yet tested its
accuracy. It was said .1 is difficult to reach with this, and instead
some use a contact probe for the Z homing purpose.

Regards

Jean-François

Le 08/03/2022 à 02:12, gene heskett a écrit :

On Monday, 7 March 2022 15:32:57 EST jeanfrancois wrote:

Are ultrasonic sensors doing the job in that tolerance ?


Some are. but there is a problem in the focusing the sound into a tight
enough beam to only measure the target, is actually a physically large
problem. So a real tight beam, similar to a red laser pointer, takes a
rather large apparatus. Impractical in the average machine shop. Much
better to use a little one for under a couple inches as a limit switch,
but inductive switches are much better suited for that job. And in the
current tech as an example, I have a BIQU BX printer that reads the
flatness of its steel build plate before starting each print, records the
differences in it height at 25 locations on the bed, and then uses that
error mapping to naintain a nozzle to bed spacing of .12mm plus or minus
.01 mm anyplace on the bed with the same sensor used on the prusa.  I
have a Prusa MK3S+ that measures 49 places on a similar sized bed. The
BIQU BX at $550, beats the pants off the $800 Prusa for quality of
output. The Prusa fills the vacant inside of a cylinder with hair, the
BIQU is clean and smooth.  Could be a cura setting difference, or even
the precursor to a thermocouple failure that currently has my Prusa on
the injured list. Worse, Prusa does not have the part and hasn't had it
in several months. And does not appear to care, and that does upset me.

Take care and stay well.


Jean-François

Le 07/03/2022 à 21:01, gene heskett a écrit :

On Monday, 7 March 2022 12:44:21 EST Thaddeus Waldner wrote:

Hi,

I’m looking for a laser distance sensor with about 1-3 thousandths
resolution and about a 5-10” working range. I wouldn’t mind buying a
used unit.

1. I didn't know they came in that high a resolution w/o needing a
quorum of the US Senate to authorize the payment, then signed by the
President.

If you want to know why, calculate the time difference of that 3
thousandths of an inch increment, remembering that it has to travel
out, and back to the measuring device, equal to C/2 in speed. You
will I suspect will come up with a very small fraction of a
picosecond.

Interferometry can measure that change, but the mod function to
detect
the individual null and count it has to start at zero, or a known
micron sized distance before it can count the nulls passing by as it
moves from zip distance, back to your point of interest at a 12" max
range. Moving slow enough to count, will take a 2048 bit counter and
several days.

Technically, we can do it but you'll need a couple of dump trucks
full of gold to finance one neasurement. We can't yet buy a
calibrated answer in 10 milliseconds for a $500 bill.  Someday?
Maybe, but it may take a new method to be invented.


Does anyone here know of some brands/ models to check out?

Google has pointed me at some Acuity products but I wondered if
there
were other options besides that.

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Re: [Emc-users] Laser measurement sensor

[jeanfrancois]

One way is a USB-I2C adapter wired to the ADC converter and reading 
through LinuxCNC HALUI.


Although I haven't investigated further. Need to check the details.

If you'd have the device doing the 0-10V / 4-20 mA output that'd work 
although there needs
calibration due to resistor voltage bridge required to drop the Voltage 
to that of the ADC.


Jean-François


Le 07/03/2022 à 21:34, Thaddeus Waldner a écrit :

Acuity sells what I need brand new for $1000.
Keyence appears to be a much more common brand, given by the number of eBay 
items.
These are not time-of-flight devices; they work instead by measuring the 
position of an angled laser spot on the target.

I’m looking at the Keyence IA-065. The working range of 2.17" - 4.13” would work for 
my application. I’m a bit puzzled by the “linearity" spec on the data sheet. It 
reads as follows:
+- 0.1% of F.S (F.S.=+-10 mm 0.39”, 55 to 75mm 2.17 to 2.95”)

I read that as within the range of 55mm to 75mm, the linearity will be within 
0.2% of that range, which comes to 0.04mm or about 0.0016”. Is my logic and 
math correct?

Second question, what is the simplest (and cheapest!) way to get this analog 
voltage into LinuxCNC. I do have a couple of 24-bit I2C devices on hand 
(ADS1220). Is this workable without writing a driver or something like that?




On Mar 7, 2022, at 2:01 PM, gene heskett  wrote:

On Monday, 7 March 2022 12:44:21 EST Thaddeus Waldner wrote:

Hi,

I’m looking for a laser distance sensor with about 1-3 thousandths
resolution and about a 5-10” working range. I wouldn’t mind buying a
used unit.

1. I didn't know they came in that high a resolution w/o needing a quorum
of the US Senate to authorize the payment, then signed by the President.

If you want to know why, calculate the time difference of that 3
thousandths of an inch increment, remembering that it has to travel out,
and back to the measuring device, equal to C/2 in speed. You will I
suspect will come up with a very small fraction of a picosecond.

Interferometry can measure that change, but the mod function to detect
the individual null and count it has to start at zero, or a known micron
sized distance before it can count the nulls passing by as it moves from
zip distance, back to your point of interest at a 12" max range. Moving
slow enough to count, will take a 2048 bit counter and several days.

Technically, we can do it but you'll need a couple of dump trucks full of
gold to finance one neasurement. We can't yet buy a calibrated answer in
10 milliseconds for a $500 bill.  Someday? Maybe, but it may take a new
method to be invented.


Does anyone here know of some brands/ models to check out?

Google has pointed me at some Acuity products but I wondered if there
were other options besides that.

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Re: [Emc-users] Laser measurement sensor

[jeanfrancois]

Hi,

This one uses trigonometry I think, nothing that much fancy or
technically difficult it appeare:

https://www.acuitylaser.com/wp-content/uploads/product-downloads/ar200-data-sheet.pdf 



Regards


Le 07/03/2022 à 21:01, gene heskett a écrit :

On Monday, 7 March 2022 12:44:21 EST Thaddeus Waldner wrote:

Hi,

I’m looking for a laser distance sensor with about 1-3 thousandths
resolution and about a 5-10” working range. I wouldn’t mind buying a
used unit.

1. I didn't know they came in that high a resolution w/o needing a quorum
of the US Senate to authorize the payment, then signed by the President.

If you want to know why, calculate the time difference of that 3
thousandths of an inch increment, remembering that it has to travel out,
and back to the measuring device, equal to C/2 in speed. You will I
suspect will come up with a very small fraction of a picosecond.

Interferometry can measure that change, but the mod function to detect
the individual null and count it has to start at zero, or a known micron
sized distance before it can count the nulls passing by as it moves from
zip distance, back to your point of interest at a 12" max range. Moving
slow enough to count, will take a 2048 bit counter and several days.

Technically, we can do it but you'll need a couple of dump trucks full of
gold to finance one neasurement. We can't yet buy a calibrated answer in
10 milliseconds for a $500 bill.  Someday? Maybe, but it may take a new
method to be invented.


Does anyone here know of some brands/ models to check out?

Google has pointed me at some Acuity products but I wondered if there
were other options besides that.

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Re: [Emc-users] Laser measurement sensor

[jeanfrancois]

Somewhere in the region of 5 US mils on a 50x50 mils region.

I can try work out a solution if you have a budget shall I be successful 
in the prototype.


Regards,


Jean-François


Le 07/03/2022 à 21:37, Thaddeus Waldner a écrit :

I need the small spot size of the measurement. I imagine US is not that well 
defined.


On Mar 7, 2022, at 2:32 PM, jeanfrancois  wrote:

Are ultrasonic sensors doing the job in that tolerance ?

Jean-François


Le 07/03/2022 à 21:01, gene heskett a écrit :

On Monday, 7 March 2022 12:44:21 EST Thaddeus Waldner wrote:

Hi,

I’m looking for a laser distance sensor with about 1-3 thousandths
resolution and about a 5-10” working range. I wouldn’t mind buying a
used unit.

1. I didn't know they came in that high a resolution w/o needing a quorum
of the US Senate to authorize the payment, then signed by the President.

If you want to know why, calculate the time difference of that 3
thousandths of an inch increment, remembering that it has to travel out,
and back to the measuring device, equal to C/2 in speed. You will I
suspect will come up with a very small fraction of a picosecond.

Interferometry can measure that change, but the mod function to detect
the individual null and count it has to start at zero, or a known micron
sized distance before it can count the nulls passing by as it moves from
zip distance, back to your point of interest at a 12" max range. Moving
slow enough to count, will take a 2048 bit counter and several days.

Technically, we can do it but you'll need a couple of dump trucks full of
gold to finance one neasurement. We can't yet buy a calibrated answer in
10 milliseconds for a $500 bill.  Someday? Maybe, but it may take a new
method to be invented.


Does anyone here know of some brands/ models to check out?

Google has pointed me at some Acuity products but I wondered if there
were other options besides that.

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Re: [Emc-users] Laser measurement sensor

[jeanfrancois]

Are ultrasonic sensors doing the job in that tolerance ?

Jean-François


Le 07/03/2022 à 21:01, gene heskett a écrit :

On Monday, 7 March 2022 12:44:21 EST Thaddeus Waldner wrote:

Hi,

I’m looking for a laser distance sensor with about 1-3 thousandths
resolution and about a 5-10” working range. I wouldn’t mind buying a
used unit.

1. I didn't know they came in that high a resolution w/o needing a quorum
of the US Senate to authorize the payment, then signed by the President.

If you want to know why, calculate the time difference of that 3
thousandths of an inch increment, remembering that it has to travel out,
and back to the measuring device, equal to C/2 in speed. You will I
suspect will come up with a very small fraction of a picosecond.

Interferometry can measure that change, but the mod function to detect
the individual null and count it has to start at zero, or a known micron
sized distance before it can count the nulls passing by as it moves from
zip distance, back to your point of interest at a 12" max range. Moving
slow enough to count, will take a 2048 bit counter and several days.

Technically, we can do it but you'll need a couple of dump trucks full of
gold to finance one neasurement. We can't yet buy a calibrated answer in
10 milliseconds for a $500 bill.  Someday? Maybe, but it may take a new
method to be invented.


Does anyone here know of some brands/ models to check out?

Google has pointed me at some Acuity products but I wondered if there
were other options besides that.

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Re: [Emc-users] Laser measurement sensor

[jeanfrancois]

Hi,

Are there such lasers with this precision level ?
What kind of budget is that ?

Regards

Jean-François

Le 07/03/2022 à 19:13, Andrew a écrit :

пн, 7 бер. 2022 р. о 19:47 Thaddeus Waldner  пише:


Hi,

I’m looking for a laser distance sensor with about 1-3 thousandths
resolution and about a 5-10” working range.
I wouldn’t mind buying a used unit.

Does anyone here know of some brands/ models to check out?

Look for Keyence.

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Re: [Emc-users] Axis configuration error

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ged
net tool-number iocontrol.0.tool-prep-number => hal_manualtoolchange.number
net tool-prepare-loopback iocontrol.0.tool-prepare => iocontrol.0.tool-prepared
# Generated by stepconf 1.1 at Sun May  3 22:56:21 2020
# Si vous modifiez ce fichier, il sera
# écrasé quand vous relancerez Stepconf

[EMC]
MACHINE = Table500x300
DEBUG = 0

[DISPLAY]
#DISPLAY = axis
DISPLAY = linuxcncrsh
EDITOR = gedit
POSITION_OFFSET = RELATIVE
POSITION_FEEDBACK = ACTUAL
ARCDIVISION = 64
GRIDS = 10mm 20mm 50mm 100mm 1in 2in 5in 10in
MAX_FEED_OVERRIDE = 1.2
MIN_SPINDLE_OVERRIDE = 0.5
MAX_SPINDLE_OVERRIDE = 1.2
DEFAULT_LINEAR_VELOCITY = 1.50
MIN_LINEAR_VELOCITY = 0
MAX_LINEAR_VELOCITY = 15.00
INTRO_GRAPHIC = linuxcnc.gif
INTRO_TIME = 5
PROGRAM_PREFIX = /home/jeanfrancois/linuxcnc/nc_files
INCREMENTS = 5mm 1mm .5mm .1mm .05mm .01mm .005mm

[FILTER]
PROGRAM_EXTENSION = .png,.gif,.jpg Greyscale Depth Image
PROGRAM_EXTENSION = .py Python Script
png = image-to-gcode
gif = image-to-gcode
jpg = image-to-gcode
py = python

[TASK]
TASK = milltask
CYCLE_TIME = 0.010

[RS274NGC]
PARAMETER_FILE = linuxcnc.var

[EMCMOT]
EMCMOT = motmod
COMM_TIMEOUT = 1.0
COMM_WAIT = 0.010
BASE_PERIOD = 65000
SERVO_PERIOD = 100

[HAL]
HALFILE = Table500x300.hal
HALFILE = custom.hal
POSTGUI_HALFILE = custom_postgui.hal

[TRAJ]
AXES = 3
COORDINATES = X Y Z
LINEAR_UNITS = mm
ANGULAR_UNITS = degree
CYCLE_TIME = 0.010
DEFAULT_VELOCITY = 1.50
MAX_VELOCITY = 15.00

[EMCIO]
EMCIO = io
CYCLE_TIME = 0.100
TOOL_TABLE = tool.tbl

[AXIS_0]
TYPE = LINEAR
HOME = 125.0
MAX_VELOCITY = 13.7019230769
MAX_ACCELERATION = 200.0
STEPGEN_MAXACCEL = 250.0
SCALE = 1066.6667
FERROR = 1
MIN_FERROR = .25
MIN_LIMIT = 0.0
MAX_LIMIT = 250.0
HOME_OFFSET = 125.0

[AXIS_1]
TYPE = LINEAR
HOME = 300.0
MAX_VELOCITY = 13.7019230769
MAX_ACCELERATION = 200.0
STEPGEN_MAXACCEL = 250.0
SCALE = 1066.6667
FERROR = 1
MIN_FERROR = .25
MIN_LIMIT = 50.0
MAX_LIMIT = 500.0
HOME_OFFSET = 300.0

[AXIS_2]
TYPE = LINEAR
HOME = 0.0
MAX_VELOCITY = 13.7019230769
MAX_ACCELERATION = 200.0
STEPGEN_MAXACCEL = 250.0
SCALE = 1066.6667
FERROR = 1
MIN_FERROR = .25
MIN_LIMIT = -50.0
MAX_LIMIT = 150.0
HOME_OFFSET = 0.0
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[Emc-users] Fwd: JOG motion inhibit

[jeanfrancois]

FYI

Yes, once the machine is homed. any program that would exceed the limits 
is flagged that it will exceed a specific axis limit in which direction 
(+ or -).  Also, you get that message when such a program is loaded.  If 
you jog toward the soft limit, motion will come to a smooth stop at the 
soft limit.


The Axis GUI shows the bounding box of the loaded program in red on the 
3D preview.


Jon



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Date :  Sat, 15 Jan 2022 12:25:21 -0600
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On 1/15/22 3:05 AM, jeanfrancois wrote:

Hello Leonardo,

It   seems  when  you setup  the configuration with steppers configu‐
rations, max speed, accelerations, ther’s also the X/Y/Z limits.

I think those limits are checked as long as the absolute positions has
been made with home, then the software limits is always enforced.

On  top  of  this,  you can build a hardware limits with limit switch‐
es and wire them into linux CNC.

Is this right ?





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Re: [Emc-users] JOG motion inhibit

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Hello Leonardo,

It   seems  when  you setup  the configuration with steppers configu‐
rations, max speed, accelerations, ther’s also the X/Y/Z limits.

I think those limits are checked as long as the absolute positions has
been made with home, then the software limits is always enforced.

On  top  of  this,  you can build a hardware limits with limit switch‐
es and wire them into linux CNC.

Is this right ?

Jean‐François


Le 15/01/2022 à 03:37, Leonardo Marsaglia a écrit :

Hello guys,

First of all I wish you all the best on this new year. And as always a very
big THANK YOU for all the effort and dedication to make this fantastic
piece of software exist.

I have a little question about inhibiting jogging motion. I know I can do
that with G CODE but I would like to know if there's an easy way to extend
it to JOG motion.

I'm planning to establish some limit softwares for the router I'm finishing
and It would be pretty good to have an inhibit function without turning the
machine off (like when you hit a soft limit that you can go back as nothing
happened). It this possible? Or should I settle with *motion.enable*?

The idea is to use hal to "draw" some boxes that limit the movement of the
tool/spindle to avoid hitting parts of the machine and In case of being
near a collision stop the JOG motion without turning the machine off. That
way I can be sure no one is going to do funny stuff that can compromise the
machine integrity.

Thanks as always!

Leonardo

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Re: [Emc-users] electrical inspection pain

[jeanfrancois]

Hi,

Why not contact UL themselves to ask more informations ?

They may be helpful if you join a desctription of you machine
on how this would be applicable and give hints on how to
handle the certification.

What I don't get is which parts need be certified, like small
motors and so on, is the machine originally made in Europe ?

Regards,

Jean-François

Le 28/07/2021 à 21:14, Ralph Stirling a écrit :

I'm in a bind now.  I just had the electrical wiring I put
into my garage shop inspected.  The WA state inspector
liked my wiring fine, but balked at the non-UL-listed
CNC mill (the main point to my whole garage shop project).
He insists it get stamped by one of the *seven* official
"approved engineers" for the state of WA before he can
sign off on my electric.  I suspect that the field approval
would cost considerably more than my entire mill (1998
vintage French 5hp spindle, 300x200x300mm travels,
$5K).  Didn't matter to him that the new VFD is listed.

Any other US-based, especially WA-based LinuxCNC
retrofitters faced this problem successfully?

Thanks,
-- Ralph

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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

[jeanfrancois]

Good day,


Please let's finish this topic, it's been taking 50% space.

CNC discussion isn't COC, for the most part.

Many people are not interested in COC discuss any longer.


Thanks for understanding

Jean-François


Le 12/07/2021 à 10:04, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp a écrit :

Anno domini 2021 Mon, 12 Jul 09:23:15 +0200
  jeanfrancois scripsit:

Hi,

Can we end this topic please ?


Can we remove CoC? No? So why end this debate?

Nik


Thank you,

Jean-François

Le 12/07/2021 à 09:19, Valerio Bellizzomi a écrit :

Your trollish behavior is exactly what a CoC is sensed to eradicate
from professional communities.
Tha's why you exercise such violent opposition.




On Mon, 2021-07-12 at 01:12 -0600, R C wrote:

because you don't have a point. Other than the Mussolini one.

On 7/12/21 1:08 AM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:

I don't really want to talk with a troll like you.

Communication terminated.




On Mon, 2021-07-12 at 00:10 -0600, R C wrote:

On 7/11/21 11:45 PM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:

Nobody stops you,

exactly my point, that's your non-existent necessity



 however your project will not gain much professional
attraction.

oh really? you're that clairvoyant? "professional attraction" ??
Haha!!   progress was never accomplished by those that played by
the
rules...   that's why it's called progress  aka rebellion ..  you
have
to ignore the establishment ..   the ones that want you to behave
under
their control ...  as is done/attempted with CoC's...   'nothing'
will
ever be accomplished by CoC's other than a futile attempt to
safeguard
established thinking, or cover your ass for legal
reasons..   CoC's
live
in a world where nothing new is allowed.


On Sun, 2021-07-11 at 22:55 -0600, R C wrote:

No it isn't,


I can start a open source project tomorrow (not today, cause
it
is
getting late), and not have a CoC, and who is going to stop
me,
if
it
doesn't have a CoC?




On 7/11/21 10:46 PM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:

Every open source project on Github.com and Sourceforge has
a
Code
of
Conduct, this is a necessary part of every public project.

Regards



On Mon, 2021-07-12 at 14:06 +0930, dva...@internode.on.net
wrote:
  


Valerio wrote: >>
  So it be. Andy, my apologies for trying to support
the
adoption
of a
  CoC, either the one proposed by Jeff or that of W3C
as I
proposed.
  Evidently the idea of being an organized community
doesn't
appeal to
  LinuxCNC users. I don't understand why there is so
much
opposition,
  after all it is assumed that an organized community
is
able to
work
  better and with more personal satisfaction for all
the
participants,
  and instead in this case a terrible conflict has
broken
out.


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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

[jeanfrancois]

Hi,

Can we end this topic please ?

Thank you,

Jean-François

Le 12/07/2021 à 09:19, Valerio Bellizzomi a écrit :

Your trollish behavior is exactly what a CoC is sensed to eradicate
from professional communities.
Tha's why you exercise such violent opposition.




On Mon, 2021-07-12 at 01:12 -0600, R C wrote:

because you don't have a point. Other than the Mussolini one.

On 7/12/21 1:08 AM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:

I don't really want to talk with a troll like you.

Communication terminated.




On Mon, 2021-07-12 at 00:10 -0600, R C wrote:

On 7/11/21 11:45 PM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:

Nobody stops you,

exactly my point, that's your non-existent necessity



however your project will not gain much professional
attraction.

oh really? you're that clairvoyant? "professional attraction" ??
Haha!!   progress was never accomplished by those that played by
the
rules...   that's why it's called progress  aka rebellion ..  you
have
to ignore the establishment ..   the ones that want you to behave
under
their control ...  as is done/attempted with CoC's...   'nothing'
will
ever be accomplished by CoC's other than a futile attempt to
safeguard
established thinking, or cover your ass for legal
reasons..   CoC's
live
in a world where nothing new is allowed.


On Sun, 2021-07-11 at 22:55 -0600, R C wrote:

No it isn't,


I can start a open source project tomorrow (not today, cause
it
is
getting late), and not have a CoC, and who is going to stop
me,
if
it
doesn't have a CoC?




On 7/11/21 10:46 PM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:

Every open source project on Github.com and Sourceforge has
a
Code
of
Conduct, this is a necessary part of every public project.

Regards



On Mon, 2021-07-12 at 14:06 +0930, dva...@internode.on.net
wrote:
 


Valerio wrote: >>
 So it be. Andy, my apologies for trying to support
the
adoption
of a
 CoC, either the one proposed by Jeff or that of W3C
as I
proposed.
 Evidently the idea of being an organized community
doesn't
appeal to
 LinuxCNC users. I don't understand why there is so
much
opposition,
 after all it is assumed that an organized community
is
able to
work
 better and with more personal satisfaction for all
the
participants,
 and instead in this case a terrible conflict has
broken
out.


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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

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Jeff,

Noted thank you,

See you regards,

Jean-François

Le 29/06/2021 à 03:25, Jeff Epler a écrit :

The LinuxCNC community including this mailing list now has a written
code of conduct. Unless it's your idea of fun to harass other people,
this is a big non-event for you.

You can read the code of conduct here:
https://www.linuxcnc.org/CODE_OF_CONDUCT/

Jeff


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