Re: [Emc-users] Help, out of inputs on my parport

2013-02-05 Thread kqt4at5v
On Sun, 27 Jan 2013, Kip wrote:

 Greetings all!  My shift registers seem to be working well as a cheap
 and easy port expander!   Apologies for how long it took me to write it
 up, but we are currently in the middle of the FIRST Robotics Challenge
 build season, so I'm spending almost every evening mentoring high school
 students.

 I've attached a schematic of the circuit used.  Notice it creates 16
 output and 16 input lines using only 3 output and 1 input pin on the
 parallel port.

 I also attached the .comp file to drive it.  It count base-thread ticks
 for timing.  I have it configured to update every 1 ms with my system,
 but this is configurable.  While 1 ms is too slow for micro-stepping, it
 is plenty fast enough to detect the pulses from my cooling fan
 tachometers, turning pumps on and off, reading control panel buttons,
 and blinking status LEDs.

 The complete write-up can be found here:

 http://www.shafferhouse.org/linuxcnc/LinuxCNCShiftRegisters.pdf

 It goes into a lot of detail that is probably too basic for most of the
 readers of this list, but please let me know if there are things you
 would like me to add.


can someone suggest a source for the 74ls595 and 74ls597

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Re: [Emc-users] Help, out of inputs on my parport

2013-02-05 Thread Ralph Stirling
Digikey.com .  You also might consider 74HC595, 74HC497, or
74AHC595 and 74AHC597.

-- Ralph

From: kqt4a...@gmail.com [kqt4a...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 6:05 AM
To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Help, out of inputs on my parport

On Sun, 27 Jan 2013, Kip wrote:

 Greetings all!  My shift registers seem to be working well as a cheap
 and easy port expander!   Apologies for how long it took me to write it
 up, but we are currently in the middle of the FIRST Robotics Challenge
 build season, so I'm spending almost every evening mentoring high school
 students.

 I've attached a schematic of the circuit used.  Notice it creates 16
 output and 16 input lines using only 3 output and 1 input pin on the
 parallel port.

 I also attached the .comp file to drive it.  It count base-thread ticks
 for timing.  I have it configured to update every 1 ms with my system,
 but this is configurable.  While 1 ms is too slow for micro-stepping, it
 is plenty fast enough to detect the pulses from my cooling fan
 tachometers, turning pumps on and off, reading control panel buttons,
 and blinking status LEDs.

 The complete write-up can be found here:

 http://www.shafferhouse.org/linuxcnc/LinuxCNCShiftRegisters.pdf

 It goes into a lot of detail that is probably too basic for most of the
 readers of this list, but please let me know if there are things you
 would like me to add.


can someone suggest a source for the 74ls595 and 74ls597

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Re: [Emc-users] Help, out of inputs on my parport

2013-02-05 Thread Erik Friesen
Or mouser.
http://www.mouser.com/Semiconductors/Logic-ICs/Counter-Shift-Registers/_/N-55d4h?Keyword=74hct595FS=True
http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/NXP-Semiconductors/74HC595N112/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtsbn1GaJyslyeJrXytowv1%2fYsIv18i%2fyU%3d


On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 9:11 AM, Ralph Stirling 
ralph.stirl...@wallawalla.edu wrote:

 Digikey.com .  You also might consider 74HC595, 74HC497, or
 74AHC595 and 74AHC597.

 -- Ralph
 
 From: kqt4a...@gmail.com [kqt4a...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 6:05 AM
 To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
 Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Help, out of inputs on my parport

 On Sun, 27 Jan 2013, Kip wrote:

  Greetings all!  My shift registers seem to be working well as a cheap
  and easy port expander!   Apologies for how long it took me to write it
  up, but we are currently in the middle of the FIRST Robotics Challenge
  build season, so I'm spending almost every evening mentoring high school
  students.
 
  I've attached a schematic of the circuit used.  Notice it creates 16
  output and 16 input lines using only 3 output and 1 input pin on the
  parallel port.
 
  I also attached the .comp file to drive it.  It count base-thread ticks
  for timing.  I have it configured to update every 1 ms with my system,
  but this is configurable.  While 1 ms is too slow for micro-stepping, it
  is plenty fast enough to detect the pulses from my cooling fan
  tachometers, turning pumps on and off, reading control panel buttons,
  and blinking status LEDs.
 
  The complete write-up can be found here:
 
  http://www.shafferhouse.org/linuxcnc/LinuxCNCShiftRegisters.pdf
 
  It goes into a lot of detail that is probably too basic for most of the
  readers of this list, but please let me know if there are things you
  would like me to add.
 

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[Emc-users] Help, out of inputs on my parport

2013-02-05 Thread Roland Jollivet
On 5 February 2013 16:11, Ralph Stirling ralph.stirl...@wallawalla.eduwrote:

 Digikey.com .  You also might consider 74HC595, 74HC497, or
 74AHC595 and 74AHC597.

 -- Ralph


Don't use 74HC  parts. Use 74HCT as these are TTL compatible. HC parts need
to be driven closer to the rail, and often don't switch unless driven by
CMOS chips.

Otherwise find a similar part in the CD4xxx series. They switch at Vcc/2.

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Re: [Emc-users] Help, out of inputs on my parport

2013-02-05 Thread kqt4at5v
On Tue, 5 Feb 2013, Roland Jollivet wrote:

 On 5 February 2013 16:11, Ralph Stirling ralph.stirl...@wallawalla.eduwrote:

 Digikey.com .  You also might consider 74HC595, 74HC497, or
 74AHC595 and 74AHC597.

 -- Ralph


 Don't use 74HC  parts. Use 74HCT as these are TTL compatible. HC parts need
 to be driven closer to the rail, and often don't switch unless driven by
 CMOS chips.

 Otherwise find a similar part in the CD4xxx series. They switch at Vcc/2.


great i see 74HCT597N for $0.70 and 74HCT595N for $0.80 on mouser
the ls 74ls59[57] are $10.00 each
does the type of inverter matter

thanks
richard

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Re: [Emc-users] Help, out of inputs on my parport

2013-02-05 Thread Kip Shaffer
I would imagine that the LS chips are expensive because they are obsolete.
 I used them because they were in my junk drawer.  I would recommend using
the HCT series.

I see that the pin names have changed a bit from the old datasheets.

STCP = Storage Register Clock, I referred to as 'Latch', formerly 'RCLK'
SHCP = Shift register clock, formerly 'SRClock'
DS = Serial data Input, formerly 'Ser'
PL = Parallel Load, formerly 'SRLoad'


-Kip


On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 1:33 PM, kqt4a...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Tue, 5 Feb 2013, Roland Jollivet wrote:

  On 5 February 2013 16:11, Ralph Stirling ralph.stirl...@wallawalla.edu
 wrote:
 
  Digikey.com .  You also might consider 74HC595, 74HC497, or
  74AHC595 and 74AHC597.
 
  -- Ralph
 
 
  Don't use 74HC  parts. Use 74HCT as these are TTL compatible. HC parts
 need
  to be driven closer to the rail, and often don't switch unless driven by
  CMOS chips.
 
  Otherwise find a similar part in the CD4xxx series. They switch at Vcc/2.
 

 great i see 74HCT597N for $0.70 and 74HCT595N for $0.80 on mouser
 the ls 74ls59[57] are $10.00 each
 does the type of inverter matter

 thanks
 richard


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[Emc-users] Help, out of inputs on my parport

2013-02-05 Thread Roland Jollivet
On 5 February 2013 20:33, kqt4a...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Tue, 5 Feb 2013, Roland Jollivet wrote:

  On 5 February 2013 16:11, Ralph Stirling ralph.stirl...@wallawalla.edu
 wrote:
 
  Digikey.com .  You also might consider 74HC595, 74HC497, or
  74AHC595 and 74AHC597.
 
  -- Ralph
 
 
  Don't use 74HC  parts. Use 74HCT as these are TTL compatible. HC parts
 need
  to be driven closer to the rail, and often don't switch unless driven by
  CMOS chips.
 
  Otherwise find a similar part in the CD4xxx series. They switch at Vcc/2.
 

 great i see 74HCT597N for $0.70 and 74HCT595N for $0.80 on mouser
 the ls 74ls59[57] are $10.00 each
 does the type of inverter matter

 thanks
 richard



Probably just use the 74HCT04.  Any which way you'll end up using a 14pin.
You could use the remaining inverters as buffers.

And these look cheaper. I didn't look at the MOQ's  ;
http://www.futurlec.com/IC74HCT00Series.shtml
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Re: [Emc-users] Help, out of inputs on my parport

2013-01-28 Thread Kip Shaffer
Good idea.

Check out
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Shift_Register_Port_Expander

-Kip


On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 8:44 PM, Chris Radek ch...@timeguy.com wrote:

 On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 06:14:56PM -0500, Kip wrote:
  Greetings all!  My shift registers seem to be working well as a cheap
  and easy port expander!   Apologies for how long it took me to write it

 That's really cool.  A lot of people have asked about a simple
 scheme such as this over the years, and the responses have always
 been like: yeah - ought to be possible - doesn't seem too hard.

 A writeup is worth a lot more than that!

 While list archives are forever, it might be nice if you'd also make
 a page on wiki.linuxcnc.org sharing this.

 Thanks!
 Chris


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Re: [Emc-users] Help, out of inputs on my parport

2013-01-27 Thread Kip
Greetings all!  My shift registers seem to be working well as a cheap
and easy port expander!   Apologies for how long it took me to write it
up, but we are currently in the middle of the FIRST Robotics Challenge
build season, so I'm spending almost every evening mentoring high school
students.

I've attached a schematic of the circuit used.  Notice it creates 16
output and 16 input lines using only 3 output and 1 input pin on the
parallel port.

I also attached the .comp file to drive it.  It count base-thread ticks
for timing.  I have it configured to update every 1 ms with my system,
but this is configurable.  While 1 ms is too slow for micro-stepping, it
is plenty fast enough to detect the pulses from my cooling fan
tachometers, turning pumps on and off, reading control panel buttons,
and blinking status LEDs.

The complete write-up can be found here:

http://www.shafferhouse.org/linuxcnc/LinuxCNCShiftRegisters.pdf

It goes into a lot of detail that is probably too basic for most of the
readers of this list, but please let me know if there are things you
would like me to add.

Enjoy!
-Kip

On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 07:18 +0200, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 That sounds impressive. I am looking forward to seeing it.
 
 On 2013/01/02 10:03 PM, Kip Shaffer wrote:
  Absolutely!  I just finished wiring up the real (non-prototype) interface
  card yesterday.  As soon as I make sure everything is working, I'll post
  the wiring diagram and the HAL module.  It appears that even the
  high-latency (1ms) shift register lines are fast enough to directly read
  the tachometer signal from my cooling fans (120 Hz)!
 
 
 
 
  On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 2:11 PM, Marius Liebenberg 
  mar...@mastercut.co.zawrote:
 
  Kip,
  Would you be willing to share your module. I am in need of a similar
  solution.
  Marius
 
  On 2012/12/28 02:54 PM, Kip Shaffer wrote:
  Gene,
   Not sure if you would be interested in the approach I'm using, but it
  may help you or others who are in a similar predicament.
 
  You can use shift registers to add as many additional lines as you want.
 For example, you can take 3 output lines on your parallel port, and
  turn
  them into 8, 16, 24 or more output lines.  Shift registers come in two
  varieties: Serial-In Parallel-Out, which you would use to create more
  output lines, and Parallel-In Serial-Out which you can use to create more
  input lines.
 
  I wrote a HAL module to implement my setup, which uses 4 pins on the
  parallel port to create 16 output and 16 input lines.  I use these lines
  for higher-latency signals, since it takes about 1 ms to shift all the
  bits
  in and out.
 
  There is a good article explaining it here:
 
 
  http://robots.freehostia.com/Software/ShiftRegister/ShiftRegisterBody.html
  -Kip
 
 
  On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 5:15 AM, MC Cason farmerboy1...@yahoo.com
  wrote:
  On 12/28/2012 03:10 AM, Steve Blackmore wrote:
  On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 02:34:37 -0500, you wrote:
 
 
  Mainly the 3 weeks to a month it takes from mainland china for
  delivery.
  But since I've decided to sacrifice the one pin I was saving for a
  home
  pin, that is the path I'll take.
  That seems a long time? I've had several packages from China most have
  taken 4 or 5 days, none longer than 10 days from Shanghai to my
  doorstep
  in UK. They are usually in the country within 48 hours, the delays are
  always here!
 
  Steve Blackmore
  --
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Re: [Emc-users] Help, out of inputs on my parport

2013-01-27 Thread Chris Radek
On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 06:14:56PM -0500, Kip wrote:
 Greetings all!  My shift registers seem to be working well as a cheap
 and easy port expander!   Apologies for how long it took me to write it

That's really cool.  A lot of people have asked about a simple
scheme such as this over the years, and the responses have always
been like: yeah - ought to be possible - doesn't seem too hard.

A writeup is worth a lot more than that!

While list archives are forever, it might be nice if you'd also make
a page on wiki.linuxcnc.org sharing this.

Thanks!
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Re: [Emc-users] Help, out of inputs on my parport

2013-01-02 Thread Marius Liebenberg
Kip,
Would you be willing to share your module. I am in need of a similar 
solution.
Marius

On 2012/12/28 02:54 PM, Kip Shaffer wrote:
 Gene,
 Not sure if you would be interested in the approach I'm using, but it
 may help you or others who are in a similar predicament.

 You can use shift registers to add as many additional lines as you want.
   For example, you can take 3 output lines on your parallel port, and turn
 them into 8, 16, 24 or more output lines.  Shift registers come in two
 varieties: Serial-In Parallel-Out, which you would use to create more
 output lines, and Parallel-In Serial-Out which you can use to create more
 input lines.

 I wrote a HAL module to implement my setup, which uses 4 pins on the
 parallel port to create 16 output and 16 input lines.  I use these lines
 for higher-latency signals, since it takes about 1 ms to shift all the bits
 in and out.

 There is a good article explaining it here:

 http://robots.freehostia.com/Software/ShiftRegister/ShiftRegisterBody.html

 -Kip


 On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 5:15 AM, MC Cason farmerboy1...@yahoo.com wrote:

 On 12/28/2012 03:10 AM, Steve Blackmore wrote:
 On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 02:34:37 -0500, you wrote:


 Mainly the 3 weeks to a month it takes from mainland china for delivery.
 But since I've decided to sacrifice the one pin I was saving for a home
 pin, that is the path I'll take.
 That seems a long time? I've had several packages from China most have
 taken 4 or 5 days, none longer than 10 days from Shanghai to my doorstep
 in UK. They are usually in the country within 48 hours, the delays are
 always here!

 Steve Blackmore
 --
 Here in the Southern part of the US,  It regularly takes between 10
 days, and 2 weeks for items to arrive from Shenzhen, or Hong Kong,
 Longer, from Shanghai, or Guandong.  The latest set of boards I had
 made, were air flighted out of Hong Kong, on the 19th. According to the
 tracking number, they haven't landed yet...

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Re: [Emc-users] Help, out of inputs on my parport

2013-01-02 Thread Kip Shaffer
Absolutely!  I just finished wiring up the real (non-prototype) interface
card yesterday.  As soon as I make sure everything is working, I'll post
the wiring diagram and the HAL module.  It appears that even the
high-latency (1ms) shift register lines are fast enough to directly read
the tachometer signal from my cooling fans (120 Hz)!




On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 2:11 PM, Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.zawrote:

 Kip,
 Would you be willing to share your module. I am in need of a similar
 solution.
 Marius

 On 2012/12/28 02:54 PM, Kip Shaffer wrote:
  Gene,
  Not sure if you would be interested in the approach I'm using, but it
  may help you or others who are in a similar predicament.
 
  You can use shift registers to add as many additional lines as you want.
For example, you can take 3 output lines on your parallel port, and
 turn
  them into 8, 16, 24 or more output lines.  Shift registers come in two
  varieties: Serial-In Parallel-Out, which you would use to create more
  output lines, and Parallel-In Serial-Out which you can use to create more
  input lines.
 
  I wrote a HAL module to implement my setup, which uses 4 pins on the
  parallel port to create 16 output and 16 input lines.  I use these lines
  for higher-latency signals, since it takes about 1 ms to shift all the
 bits
  in and out.
 
  There is a good article explaining it here:
 
 
 http://robots.freehostia.com/Software/ShiftRegister/ShiftRegisterBody.html
 
  -Kip
 
 
  On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 5:15 AM, MC Cason farmerboy1...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
 
  On 12/28/2012 03:10 AM, Steve Blackmore wrote:
  On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 02:34:37 -0500, you wrote:
 
 
  Mainly the 3 weeks to a month it takes from mainland china for
 delivery.
  But since I've decided to sacrifice the one pin I was saving for a
 home
  pin, that is the path I'll take.
  That seems a long time? I've had several packages from China most have
  taken 4 or 5 days, none longer than 10 days from Shanghai to my
 doorstep
  in UK. They are usually in the country within 48 hours, the delays are
  always here!
 
  Steve Blackmore
  --
  Here in the Southern part of the US,  It regularly takes between 10
  days, and 2 weeks for items to arrive from Shenzhen, or Hong Kong,
  Longer, from Shanghai, or Guandong.  The latest set of boards I had
  made, were air flighted out of Hong Kong, on the 19th. According to the
  tracking number, they haven't landed yet...
 
  --
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Re: [Emc-users] Help, out of inputs on my parport

2013-01-02 Thread Marius Liebenberg
That sounds impressive. I am looking forward to seeing it.

On 2013/01/02 10:03 PM, Kip Shaffer wrote:
 Absolutely!  I just finished wiring up the real (non-prototype) interface
 card yesterday.  As soon as I make sure everything is working, I'll post
 the wiring diagram and the HAL module.  It appears that even the
 high-latency (1ms) shift register lines are fast enough to directly read
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 On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 2:11 PM, Marius Liebenberg 
 mar...@mastercut.co.zawrote:

 Kip,
 Would you be willing to share your module. I am in need of a similar
 solution.
 Marius

 On 2012/12/28 02:54 PM, Kip Shaffer wrote:
 Gene,
  Not sure if you would be interested in the approach I'm using, but it
 may help you or others who are in a similar predicament.

 You can use shift registers to add as many additional lines as you want.
For example, you can take 3 output lines on your parallel port, and
 turn
 them into 8, 16, 24 or more output lines.  Shift registers come in two
 varieties: Serial-In Parallel-Out, which you would use to create more
 output lines, and Parallel-In Serial-Out which you can use to create more
 input lines.

 I wrote a HAL module to implement my setup, which uses 4 pins on the
 parallel port to create 16 output and 16 input lines.  I use these lines
 for higher-latency signals, since it takes about 1 ms to shift all the
 bits
 in and out.

 There is a good article explaining it here:


 http://robots.freehostia.com/Software/ShiftRegister/ShiftRegisterBody.html
 -Kip


 On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 5:15 AM, MC Cason farmerboy1...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
 On 12/28/2012 03:10 AM, Steve Blackmore wrote:
 On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 02:34:37 -0500, you wrote:


 Mainly the 3 weeks to a month it takes from mainland china for
 delivery.
 But since I've decided to sacrifice the one pin I was saving for a
 home
 pin, that is the path I'll take.
 That seems a long time? I've had several packages from China most have
 taken 4 or 5 days, none longer than 10 days from Shanghai to my
 doorstep
 in UK. They are usually in the country within 48 hours, the delays are
 always here!

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 --
  Here in the Southern part of the US,  It regularly takes between 10
 days, and 2 weeks for items to arrive from Shenzhen, or Hong Kong,
 Longer, from Shanghai, or Guandong.  The latest set of boards I had
 made, were air flighted out of Hong Kong, on the 19th. According to the
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Re: [Emc-users] Help, out of inputs on my parport

2012-12-28 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 02:34:37 -0500, you wrote:


Mainly the 3 weeks to a month it takes from mainland china for delivery.  
But since I've decided to sacrifice the one pin I was saving for a home 
pin, that is the path I'll take.

That seems a long time? I've had several packages from China most have
taken 4 or 5 days, none longer than 10 days from Shanghai to my doorstep
in UK. They are usually in the country within 48 hours, the delays are
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Re: [Emc-users] Help, out of inputs on my parport

2012-12-28 Thread MC Cason
On 12/28/2012 03:10 AM, Steve Blackmore wrote:
 On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 02:34:37 -0500, you wrote:


 Mainly the 3 weeks to a month it takes from mainland china for delivery.
 But since I've decided to sacrifice the one pin I was saving for a home
 pin, that is the path I'll take.
 That seems a long time? I've had several packages from China most have
 taken 4 or 5 days, none longer than 10 days from Shanghai to my doorstep
 in UK. They are usually in the country within 48 hours, the delays are
 always here!

 Steve Blackmore
 --

   Here in the Southern part of the US,  It regularly takes between 10 
days, and 2 weeks for items to arrive from Shenzhen, or Hong Kong,  
Longer, from Shanghai, or Guandong.  The latest set of boards I had 
made, were air flighted out of Hong Kong, on the 19th. According to the 
tracking number, they haven't landed yet...

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Re: [Emc-users] Help, out of inputs on my parport

2012-12-28 Thread Kip Shaffer
Gene,
   Not sure if you would be interested in the approach I'm using, but it
may help you or others who are in a similar predicament.

You can use shift registers to add as many additional lines as you want.
 For example, you can take 3 output lines on your parallel port, and turn
them into 8, 16, 24 or more output lines.  Shift registers come in two
varieties: Serial-In Parallel-Out, which you would use to create more
output lines, and Parallel-In Serial-Out which you can use to create more
input lines.

I wrote a HAL module to implement my setup, which uses 4 pins on the
parallel port to create 16 output and 16 input lines.  I use these lines
for higher-latency signals, since it takes about 1 ms to shift all the bits
in and out.

There is a good article explaining it here:

http://robots.freehostia.com/Software/ShiftRegister/ShiftRegisterBody.html

-Kip


On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 5:15 AM, MC Cason farmerboy1...@yahoo.com wrote:

 On 12/28/2012 03:10 AM, Steve Blackmore wrote:
  On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 02:34:37 -0500, you wrote:
 
 
  Mainly the 3 weeks to a month it takes from mainland china for delivery.
  But since I've decided to sacrifice the one pin I was saving for a home
  pin, that is the path I'll take.
  That seems a long time? I've had several packages from China most have
  taken 4 or 5 days, none longer than 10 days from Shanghai to my doorstep
  in UK. They are usually in the country within 48 hours, the delays are
  always here!
 
  Steve Blackmore
  --

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 days, and 2 weeks for items to arrive from Shenzhen, or Hong Kong,
 Longer, from Shanghai, or Guandong.  The latest set of boards I had
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Re: [Emc-users] Help, out of inputs on my parport

2012-12-28 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 28 December 2012 08:51:33 Kip Shaffer did opine:

Great Kip, bookmarked FFR.  Thanks.

 Gene,
Not sure if you would be interested in the approach I'm using, but it
 may help you or others who are in a similar predicament.
 
 You can use shift registers to add as many additional lines as you want.
  For example, you can take 3 output lines on your parallel port, and
 turn them into 8, 16, 24 or more output lines.  Shift registers come in
 two varieties: Serial-In Parallel-Out, which you would use to create
 more output lines, and Parallel-In Serial-Out which you can use to
 create more input lines.
 
 I wrote a HAL module to implement my setup, which uses 4 pins on the
 parallel port to create 16 output and 16 input lines.  I use these lines
 for higher-latency signals, since it takes about 1 ms to shift all the
 bits in and out.
 
 There is a good article explaining it here:
 
 http://robots.freehostia.com/Software/ShiftRegister/ShiftRegisterBody.ht
 ml
 
 -Kip
 
 On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 5:15 AM, MC Cason farmerboy1...@yahoo.com 
wrote:
  On 12/28/2012 03:10 AM, Steve Blackmore wrote:
   On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 02:34:37 -0500, you wrote:
   Mainly the 3 weeks to a month it takes from mainland china for
   delivery. But since I've decided to sacrifice the one pin I was
   saving for a home pin, that is the path I'll take.
   
   That seems a long time? I've had several packages from China most
   have taken 4 or 5 days, none longer than 10 days from Shanghai to
   my doorstep in UK. They are usually in the country within 48 hours,
   the delays are always here!
   
   Steve Blackmore
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 Here in the Southern part of the US,  It regularly takes between 10
  
  days, and 2 weeks for items to arrive from Shenzhen, or Hong Kong,
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  made, were air flighted out of Hong Kong, on the 19th. According to
  the tracking number, they haven't landed yet...
  
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Re: [Emc-users] Help, out of inputs on my parport

2012-12-28 Thread Dave
On 12/28/2012 5:15 AM, MC Cason wrote:
 On 12/28/2012 03:10 AM, Steve Blackmore wrote:

 On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 02:34:37 -0500, you wrote:


  
 Mainly the 3 weeks to a month it takes from mainland china for delivery.
 But since I've decided to sacrifice the one pin I was saving for a home
 pin, that is the path I'll take.

 That seems a long time? I've had several packages from China most have
 taken 4 or 5 days, none longer than 10 days from Shanghai to my doorstep
 in UK. They are usually in the country within 48 hours, the delays are
 always here!

 Steve Blackmore
 --
  
 Here in the Southern part of the US,  It regularly takes between 10
 days, and 2 weeks for items to arrive from Shenzhen, or Hong Kong,
 Longer, from Shanghai, or Guandong.  The latest set of boards I had
 made, were air flighted out of Hong Kong, on the 19th. According to the
 tracking number, they haven't landed yet...


It is a long flight from China... but not that long!  ;-)

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Re: [Emc-users] Help, out of inputs on my parport

2012-12-28 Thread Przemek Klosowski

  Also, there are lots of TTL to USB and RS232 converters already
 assembled on Ebay - very cheap.

 Cheap until you check the shipping... :(


Nah, shipping is often free from HongKong; it just takes a while:


http://www.ebay.com/itm/1pcs-USB-2-0-to-TTL-UART-6PIN-Module-Serial-Converter-CP2102-STC-PRGMR-/251039347548?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item3a731c735c

http://dx.com/p/cp2102-usb-to-ttl-converter-module-red-146141

I am not necessarily recommending those units for your needs, I just used
Chinese suppliers on eBay and DealExtreme for gadgets like that, and so far
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Re: [Emc-users] Help, out of inputs on my parport

2012-12-28 Thread Ben Potter
 Also, there are lots of TTL to USB and RS232 converters already
 assembled on Ebay - very cheap.
 
 Cheap until you check the shipping... :(
 

I've almost been caught out by this a few times - sometimes the shipping is
reasonable (or free), sometimes the shipping is more than the cost of the
item. It pays to read the fine print - especially when there are 10+
identical items with different shipping amounts listed.

 
 Nah, shipping is often free from HongKong; it just takes a while:
 
 

Oddly enough I've had more problems getting shipping from the US to the UK
than from Asia - Two parcels, ordered within a day of each other. The first
(from Mesa Electronics) arrived in 4 days. The day after I got the demand
from customs for duty - somewhat unusual (Usually customs here hold the item
for about a week, then send out (via second class post, which takes another
week) a demand for payment backdated to when it arrived in the country)

The second parcel (from another supplier) didn't arrive well, so I
thought - contacted the seller and got a refund. *Three months* later, it
arrives - checked the postmark - which was the day I ordered it, checked the
shipping method - USPS first class. Then resent the money to the supplier,
exchanged a few jokes about USPS and shrugged. No demand for payment from
customs on this one... yet.

Items from Asia usually take about 5 days (for small airmailed items) to 3
months (for larger items) - what happens when it hits customs is anybody's
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Re: [Emc-users] Help, out of inputs on my parport

2012-12-27 Thread Dave
Gene, I know you wanted to derive power from an RS232 port, but why not 
do a port steal from a USB port.

Plenty of ma at 5vdc regulated.

Also, there are lots of TTL to USB and RS232 converters already 
assembled on Ebay - very cheap.

Dave

On 12/27/2012 12:01 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
 On Wednesday 26 December 2012 23:50:52 andy pugh did opine:


 On 26 December 2012 22:45, Gene Heskettghesk...@wdtv.com  wrote:
  
   I am out of input pins on the cnc4pc C1G.

 How about using the serial port status pins?
 http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/serport.9.html
  
 Hadn't even crossed my mind Andy, thanks. From the manpage, looks like that
 could give me 3 more .in pins.  Next of course, that would bypass the opto
 isolation.  I wonder if the sparkfun thing could be like an old serial
 mouse, which was powered by the logic levels of the port?  Its marked for
 ground  5 volt supplies, but it came with zero docs, as in nada, zip,
 none.  Time to do some research on the chip makers site I guess.  The
 sparkfun site itself is no help.

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Re: [Emc-users] Help, out of inputs on my parport

2012-12-27 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 27 December 2012 22:00:41 Dave did opine:

 Gene, I know you wanted to derive power from an RS232 port, but why not
 do a port steal from a USB port.
 
 Plenty of ma at 5vdc regulated.
 
 Also, there are lots of TTL to USB and RS232 converters already
 assembled on Ebay - very cheap.
 
 Dave
 
Cheap until you check the shipping... :(

I have now arrived at the conclusion that the pin I reserved for one of the 
homing switches is of far less utility than this, so since I never wired it 
up anyway, it will get re-purposed for this.  But I need some slightly 
warmer weather before embarking on that project.

Thanks Dave.

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Re: [Emc-users] Help, out of inputs on my parport

2012-12-27 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 28 December 2012 02:32:37 Eric Keller did opine:

 On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 10:05 PM, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote:
  On Thursday 27 December 2012 22:00:41 Dave did opine:
   Also, there are lots of TTL to USB and RS232 converters already
   assembled on Ebay - very cheap.
  
  Cheap until you check the shipping... :(
 
 I bought 10 for $20 shipped, I don't know how much cheaper you want.
 Granted, they came from China, so what?
 Eric

Mainly the 3 weeks to a month it takes from mainland china for delivery.  
But since I've decided to sacrifice the one pin I was saving for a home 
pin, that is the path I'll take.

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Re: [Emc-users] Help, out of inputs on my parport

2012-12-27 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 28 December 2012 02:35:12 Roland Jollivet did opine:

 On 28 December 2012 05:05, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote:
  On Thursday 27 December 2012 22:00:41 Dave did opine:
   Gene, I know you wanted to derive power from an RS232 port, but why
   not do a port steal from a USB port.
   
   Plenty of ma at 5vdc regulated.
   
   Also, there are lots of TTL to USB and RS232 converters already
   assembled on Ebay - very cheap.
   
   Dave
  
  Cheap until you check the shipping... :(
  
  I have now arrived at the conclusion that the pin I reserved for one
  of the homing switches is of far less utility than this, so since I
  never wired it up anyway, it will get re-purposed for this.  But I
  need some slightly warmer weather before embarking on that project.
  
  Thanks Dave.
  
  Cheers, Gene
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I already have locally regulated 5 volts available on my terminal strips, 
so the 48 run to the device is not a huge problem.

Thanks Roland.

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[Emc-users] Help, out of inputs on my parport

2012-12-26 Thread Gene Heskett
Greetings all;

I went out to see if I could get this little sparkfun electronic fuse 
hooked up this afternoon  ran into a tall granite wall impeding any 
progress.  I am out of input pins on the cnc4pc C1G.  But I do have a low 
use pin, reserved for a G38.2 probe I intend to use as an auto-touchoff 
probe at some point.

Can anyone suggest a block diagram for the hal file that would use this 
input for the g38.2 function when a G38.2 is actually running, but when it 
is not running a G38.2, its an ESTOP in?

Thanks for any clues.

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Re: [Emc-users] Help, out of inputs on my parport

2012-12-26 Thread andy pugh
On 26 December 2012 22:45, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote:

  I am out of input pins on the cnc4pc C1G.

How about using the serial port status pins?
http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/serport.9.html


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Re: [Emc-users] Help, out of inputs on my parport

2012-12-26 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 26 December 2012 23:50:52 andy pugh did opine:

 On 26 December 2012 22:45, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote:
   I am out of input pins on the cnc4pc C1G.
 
 How about using the serial port status pins?
 http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/serport.9.html

Hadn't even crossed my mind Andy, thanks. From the manpage, looks like that 
could give me 3 more .in pins.  Next of course, that would bypass the opto 
isolation.  I wonder if the sparkfun thing could be like an old serial 
mouse, which was powered by the logic levels of the port?  Its marked for 
ground  5 volt supplies, but it came with zero docs, as in nada, zip, 
none.  Time to do some research on the chip makers site I guess.  The 
sparkfun site itself is no help.

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