Re: [Emc-users] A rose by any name? [Was: Not so custom]
2012/5/21 Dave e...@dc9.tzo.com: On 5/20/2012 6:13 PM, gene heskett wrote: On Sunday, May 20, 2012 06:11:51 PM charles green did opine: I am used to linuxcnc now, so lets not repaint the train again please. I agree. I also don't see any sense in going into the source code and changing all references of emc to something else. I think that this is a question to our board - what was the agreement about the rebranding. Was the agreement only about name, which is represented to public, or was the agreement about not using those three letters _anywhere_, which IMHO includes also source code of the application. I do agree that messing up the code by leaving emc and now substitute it with linuxcnc in new code would be wrong approach. On the other hand, I am in favor of replacing emc throughout the code. Could somebody from the board comment on this side of the agreement? Is it allowed to use emc in the source code? -- Viesturs If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] A rose by any name? [Was: Not so custom]
On 05/21/2012 01:40 AM, Mike Bennett wrote: I faced the same issue a couple of years ago. The company I work for was called FDS so this was used in all the class names we created. We were sold and now trade under a new name. I decided to stick with FDS in existing and new code as this would be less confusing. Mike Feminine Deodorant Spray? ;-) Mark -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] A rose by any name? [Was: Not so custom]
all acronyms are ultimately counterproductive, because of such conflicts for example. projects should be designated by number in the order of creation, or something like that. take a hint from the borg in such matters. --- On Sun, 5/20/12, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote: From: Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Emc-users] A rose by any name? [Was: Not so custom] To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Sunday, May 20, 2012, 11:48 PM 2012/5/21 Dave e...@dc9.tzo.com: On 5/20/2012 6:13 PM, gene heskett wrote: On Sunday, May 20, 2012 06:11:51 PM charles green did opine: I am used to linuxcnc now, so lets not repaint the train again please. I agree. I also don't see any sense in going into the source code and changing all references of emc to something else. I think that this is a question to our board - what was the agreement about the rebranding. Was the agreement only about name, which is represented to public, or was the agreement about not using those three letters _anywhere_, which IMHO includes also source code of the application. I do agree that messing up the code by leaving emc and now substitute it with linuxcnc in new code would be wrong approach. On the other hand, I am in favor of replacing emc throughout the code. Could somebody from the board comment on this side of the agreement? Is it allowed to use emc in the source code? -- Viesturs If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] A rose by any name? [Was: Not so custom]
Good old Wikipedia :-) Factory Data Systems actually, now part of Qube Global Software. Mike On 21 May 2012 10:05, Mark Wendt mark.we...@nrl.navy.mil wrote: On 05/21/2012 01:40 AM, Mike Bennett wrote: I faced the same issue a couple of years ago. The company I work for was called FDS so this was used in all the class names we created. We were sold and now trade under a new name. I decided to stick with FDS in existing and new code as this would be less confusing. Mike Feminine Deodorant Spray? ;-) Mark -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] A rose by any name? [Was: Not so custom]
On 19.05.12 13:47, Terry Christophersen wrote: LMC or LNC sounds good to me LMC says National Semiconductor CMOS op-amps to me, e.g. LMC662, but if you added two pen strokes, we'd have: EMC :-) If LinuxCNC really is too long to type, what about: LC ? (Does that resonate at all? ;-) Erik -- C hasn't changed much since the 1970s. And let's face it it's ugly. Can't we do better? C++? (Sorry, never mind.) - Rob Pike -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] A rose by any name? [Was: Not so custom]
E to L seemed good to me. EWC is roughly a mirror of EMC. gammaWC, but theres no business roman english character for that. Z*M3, but the closest would be Z)M3 or Z]M3, both of which i already have staked out as my homestead in the race to hoard intellectual and physical property and collect rent as a contribution to society. on a tangent, suppose i went thru stepconf wizard awhile ago, and got working results for a machine with 1mm pitch leadscrews. im not calling anything linux wutnot, or exaggerated management corporation or anything one way or another. my problem is that i might want to use the machine in the imperial mode as a matter of convenience. the tool table, however, is deciphered in machine units. no problem - i'll just redo stepconf, convert all the config from mm to inches, and then i can pick a metric machine or an imperial machine at axis startup. no good. the home all button produces a following error just after backing off the switch on the zeroth axis. do the FERROR and MINFERROR have to be scaled exactly in the ini file? i just went with what stepconf wizard put there after reentering all the relevant dialog fields/25.4=inch version, because they looked approximately approximate. ?? --- On Sat, 5/19/12, Erik Christiansen dva...@internode.on.net wrote: From: Erik Christiansen dva...@internode.on.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users] A rose by any name? [Was: Not so custom] To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Saturday, May 19, 2012, 11:29 PM On 19.05.12 13:47, Terry Christophersen wrote: LMC or LNC sounds good to me LMC says National Semiconductor CMOS op-amps to me, e.g. LMC662, but if you added two pen strokes, we'd have: EMC :-) If LinuxCNC really is too long to type, what about: LC ? (Does that resonate at all? ;-) Erik -- C hasn't changed much since the 1970s. And let's face it it's ugly. Can't we do better? C++? (Sorry, never mind.) - Rob Pike -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] A rose by any name? [Was: Not so custom]
On Sat, 19 May 2012 22:50:05 -0700 (PDT) charles green xxzzb...@yahoo.com wrote: three letters is only 17576 choices. good bet they are all taken. four alphanumeric is only 1.6 million choices. eemmcc22? llmmcc, llnncc?? ellemcee. anLanMaC. --- On Sat, 5/19/12, Mark Cason farmerboy1...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Mark Cason farmerboy1...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Emc-users] A rose by any name? [Was: Not so custom] To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Saturday, May 19, 2012, 7:23 PM On 05/19/2012 07:52 PM, Jon Elson wrote: Terry Christophersen wrote: LMC or LNC sounds good to m Logical Microcomputer Company made Unix-based computers using the Nat Semi 32016 CPU back in the late 80's. The system was a dog, for reasons I don't quite understand, maybe rotten compilers. The 32016 was a good design as far as I could tell. Orthogonal instruction set, 8 sets of registers, etc. I understand that National simply didn't give much support. Most of the boards were VME bus. The chip seemed to get used more in Europe than here. I'm pretty sure they have been out of business for some time, but might be wise to check to see if there are copyrights or trademarks on a name, acronym or whatever before using it. That's how we got in trouble the first time. Jon LNC is taken, as is LMC. LCNC appears to be available though. -- -Mark Ne M'oubliez ---Family Motto Hope for the best, plan for the worst ---Personal Motto My tuppence still goes for LCNC as a short name. Nothing is ideal after getting emc2 impressed into our brains for so long. At least LCNC gives a hint of what we are up to. Dave -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] A rose by any name? [Was: Not so custom]
LCNC is statistically bound to be an infringement. licenced chiropractic nurses cooperative is sure to apply litigial pressure at every irrelevant point. give up, queue up, recieve the predetermined designation in due order, and forget any troubles. --- On Sun, 5/20/12, dave dengv...@charter.net wrote: From: dave dengv...@charter.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users] A rose by any name? [Was: Not so custom] To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Sunday, May 20, 2012, 6:38 AM On Sat, 19 May 2012 22:50:05 -0700 (PDT) charles green xxzzb...@yahoo.com wrote: three letters is only 17576 choices. good bet they are all taken. four alphanumeric is only 1.6 million choices. eemmcc22? llmmcc, llnncc?? ellemcee. anLanMaC. --- On Sat, 5/19/12, Mark Cason farmerboy1...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Mark Cason farmerboy1...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Emc-users] A rose by any name? [Was: Not so custom] To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Saturday, May 19, 2012, 7:23 PM On 05/19/2012 07:52 PM, Jon Elson wrote: Terry Christophersen wrote: LMC or LNC sounds good to m Logical Microcomputer Company made Unix-based computers using the Nat Semi 32016 CPU back in the late 80's. The system was a dog, for reasons I don't quite understand, maybe rotten compilers. The 32016 was a good design as far as I could tell. Orthogonal instruction set, 8 sets of registers, etc. I understand that National simply didn't give much support. Most of the boards were VME bus. The chip seemed to get used more in Europe than here. I'm pretty sure they have been out of business for some time, but might be wise to check to see if there are copyrights or trademarks on a name, acronym or whatever before using it. That's how we got in trouble the first time. Jon LNC is taken, as is LMC. LCNC appears to be available though. -- -Mark Ne M'oubliez ---Family Motto Hope for the best, plan for the worst ---Personal Motto My tuppence still goes for LCNC as a short name. Nothing is ideal after getting emc2 impressed into our brains for so long. At least LCNC gives a hint of what we are up to. Dave -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] A rose by any name? [Was: Not so custom]
On 20 May 2012 17:07, charles green xxzzb...@yahoo.com wrote: LCNC is statistically bound to be an infringement. licenced chiropractic nurses cooperative You can always rely on chiropractors to abuse the legal system and sue. http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/mar/01/simon-singh-libel-case-chiropractors (Friend of mine from college) -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] A rose by any name? [Was: Not so custom]
dave wrote: The 32016 was a good design as far as I could tell. Orthogonal instruction set, 8 sets of registers, etc. I understand that National simply didn't give much support. Most of the boards were VME bus. The chip seemed to get used more in Europe than here. National Semi never was good at support of these complex products. The machine I had (I built a clone of the LMC system) had no cache, and ran on a 16 MHz clock, I think. I think it could have used a cache pretty badly. I think also the MMU caused a significant slowdown. Basically it was supposed to be a VAX on a chip, but the DEC MicroVAX-II ran rings around it in virtual addressing mode. I don't really know if the file system or the multibus-disk controller was what really made it slow, but it was a bit of a disappointment. Jon -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] A rose by any name? [Was: Not so custom]
On Sunday, May 20, 2012 06:11:51 PM charles green did opine: LCNC is statistically bound to be an infringement. licenced chiropractic nurses cooperative is sure to apply litigial pressure at every irrelevant point. give up, queue up, recieve the predetermined designation in due order, and forget any troubles. I am used to linuxcnc now, so lets not repaint the train again please. Cheers, Gene -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) My web page: http://coyoteden.dyndns-free.com:85/gene Hey, I had to let awk be better at *something*... :-) -- Larry Wall in 1991nov7.200504.25...@netlabs.com1 -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] A rose by any name? [Was: Not so custom]
On 5/20/2012 6:13 PM, gene heskett wrote: On Sunday, May 20, 2012 06:11:51 PM charles green did opine: LCNC is statistically bound to be an infringement. licenced chiropractic nurses cooperative is sure to apply litigial pressure at every irrelevant point. give up, queue up, recieve the predetermined designation in due order, and forget any troubles. I am used to linuxcnc now, so lets not repaint the train again please. Cheers, Gene I agree. I also don't see any sense in going into the source code and changing all references of emc to something else. Dave -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] A rose by any name? [Was: Not so custom]
On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: dave wrote: The 32016 was a good design as far as I could tell. Orthogonal instruction set, 8 sets of registers, etc. I understand that National simply didn't give much support. Most of the boards were VME bus. The chip seemed to get used more in Europe than here. National Semi never was good at support of these complex products. The machine I had (I built a clone of the LMC system) had no cache, and ran on a 16 MHz clock, I think. I think it could have used a cache pretty badly. I think also the MMU caused a significant slowdown. Basically it was supposed to be a VAX on a chip, but the DEC MicroVAX-II ran rings around it in virtual addressing mode. I don't really know if the file system or the multibus-disk controller was what really made it slow, but it was a bit of a disappointment. Not to mention the fact that they acquired a reputation for long-unfixed bugs and difficult interfacing http://www.os.4uj.org/16032.htm. Still, it was a nice design and a pity that NS didn't succeed in the effort to match its excellent analog products with a digital computer line. They of course ended up acquired by Texas Instruments last year. -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] A rose by any name? [Was: Not so custom]
On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Dave e...@dc9.tzo.com wrote:
On 5/20/2012 6:13 PM, gene heskett wrote:
On Sunday, May 20, 2012 06:11:51 PM charles green did opine:
I also don't see any sense in going into the source code and changing
all references of emc to something else.
OK, but then should we also keep using 'emc' in new code? or start
using the new term? The latter seems confusing, especially as it could
end up in 'struct emc_xxx { int LinuxCNC_yyy..}. It's not a big deal,
just have to decide on something.
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Re: [Emc-users] A rose by any name? [Was: Not so custom]
Przemek Klosowski wrote: Not to mention the fact that they acquired a reputation for long-unfixed bugs and difficult interfacing http://www.os.4uj.org/16032.htm. Still, it was a nice design and a pity that NS didn't succeed in the effort to match its excellent analog products with a digital computer line. They of course ended up acquired by Texas Instruments last year. Perhaps other products had bugs, but the 32016 (or 16032 as it was first known) worked pretty well. I used a bunch of their multibus development boards to build a mutiprocessor system to add on to a VAX. It worked, but the methodology for general users to set up programs to run on it was too much for our users. I had 7 32016 CPUs with local memory and access to 2 MB of shared memory on the multibus, and a DMA controller to move data between the multiprocessor system and the VAX. The only bug I know of was the hybrid bus controller chip they used on the multibus card didn't have synchronizers on it and would hang. After working with Nat Semi, they sent me the schematic of this module and I added the 74S74 synchronizers to it and it worked. But, that was NOT a Nat Semi product, just a chip they bought. I also cloned a Logical Micro Co. Unix system and had it running at my house for a while. It was cool, but really slow, running emacs on it was sluggish, very much slower than running a fairly sophisticated editor on a Z-80 CP/M system from more than a decade earlier. I didn't have really fast memory on that system, so that might have been part of the problem. Jon -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] A rose by any name? [Was: Not so custom]
I faced the same issue a couple of years ago. The company I work for was
called FDS so this was used in all the class names we created. We were sold
and now trade under a new name. I decided to stick with FDS in existing and
new code as this would be less confusing.
Mike
On 21 May 2012, at 01:22, Przemek Klosowski przemek.klosow...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Dave e...@dc9.tzo.com wrote:
On 5/20/2012 6:13 PM, gene heskett wrote:
On Sunday, May 20, 2012 06:11:51 PM charles green did opine:
I also don't see any sense in going into the source code and changing
all references of emc to something else.
OK, but then should we also keep using 'emc' in new code? or start
using the new term? The latter seems confusing, especially as it could
end up in 'struct emc_xxx { int LinuxCNC_yyy..}. It's not a big deal,
just have to decide on something.
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[Emc-users] A rose by any name? [Was: Not so custom]
On 18.05.12 17:25, Kent A. Reed wrote: On 5/18/2012 4:28 PM, Przemek Klosowski wrote: BTW, now that we can't use EMC2 any more, and LinuxCNC seems longish and awkward to type, I am tempted to start using LCNC. It has seemed to me LCNC would be a good compromise if anyone starts tackling the gazillion occurrences of EMC scattered throughout the code. Not that I'm suggesting it be done, mind you:-) Err, are we to be the group with no name? We didn't defend the one we had, and now we seek to discard our new common banner. Granted, laziness can be a sign of intelligence, i.e why not make things easier? To that end, I use the following to type LinuxCNC with just one 'L ', in Vim: $ grep CNC .vimrc au BufNewFile,BufRead ~/Desktop/mutt-* iab L LinuxCNC With that autocommand triggering only when composing an email, I'm still free to write the letter L in other documents.¹ Granted, this particular Insert-mode abbreviation helps only Vim users, but I'm sure that Emacs is also up to the task. If we have users of less capable editors, then it is arguably enough to just type: L What could be more efficient? On this list we will all know what it means, and it won't be confused with any other LCLCs. As for the web pages; why change them manually? Whack the html through a one-line awk script, and 10,000 edits are done in a minute. (Perhaps there's some complication preventing that, or it might have been done?) Capitalising sentences, using punctuation, and briefly checking spelling respects the readers time equally with our own. Using the whole of our group's name is one additional courtesy which I'll continue to offer. Erik P.S. Apologies to anyone displeased with my lack of enthusiasm for putting the cart before the horse. ¹ To avoid losing a partially composed post, in the event of a reboot, I've moved mutt's temporary directory from /tmp with this in .muttrc: set tmpdir=~/Desktop (Given a default tmpdir, the autocommand would need: ~/tmp/mutt-* ) -- The truly lazy person puts in the time effort to learn how to do things the easy way and reaps the laziness benefits for years afterwards. - Craig Sanders, on luv-main ML. -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] A rose by any name? [Was: Not so custom]
On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 5:24 AM, Erik Christiansen dva...@internode.on.net wrote: On 5/18/2012 4:28 PM, Przemek Klosowski wrote: BTW, now that we can't use EMC2 any more, and LinuxCNC seems longish and awkward to type, I am tempted to start using LCNC. Err, are we to be the group with no name? We didn't defend the one we had, and now we seek to discard our new common banner. You're quite right, I wasn't suggesting this as an official name but more in the context of informal communications related to LinuxCNC, where we mention LinuxCNC often and seeing the LinuxCNC term multiple times next to other mentions of LinuxCNC might just seem visually crowded because LinuxCNC 'glyph' is fairly long and busy graphically. For instance, in the source code, there are 55246 instances of the trigraph EMC, and replacing all of them by LinuxCNC might make the code slightly less readable, so something like 'lcnc' might be a reasonable compromise. Anyway, I start to feel like I'm bikeshedding so I will stop now. -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] A rose by any name? [Was: Not so custom]
LMC? --- On Sat, 5/19/12, Przemek Klosowski przemek.klosow...@gmail.com wrote: From: Przemek Klosowski przemek.klosow...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Emc-users] A rose by any name? [Was: Not so custom] To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Saturday, May 19, 2012, 11:08 AM On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 5:24 AM, Erik Christiansen dva...@internode.on.net wrote: On 5/18/2012 4:28 PM, Przemek Klosowski wrote: BTW, now that we can't use EMC2 any more, and LinuxCNC seems longish and awkward to type, I am tempted to start using LCNC. Err, are we to be the group with no name? We didn't defend the one we had, and now we seek to discard our new common banner. You're quite right, I wasn't suggesting this as an official name but more in the context of informal communications related to LinuxCNC, where we mention LinuxCNC often and seeing the LinuxCNC term multiple times next to other mentions of LinuxCNC might just seem visually crowded because LinuxCNC 'glyph' is fairly long and busy graphically. For instance, in the source code, there are 55246 instances of the trigraph EMC, and replacing all of them by LinuxCNC might make the code slightly less readable, so something like 'lcnc' might be a reasonable compromise. Anyway, I start to feel like I'm bikeshedding so I will stop now. -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] A rose by any name? [Was: Not so custom]
LMC or LNC sounds good to me - Original Message - From: charles green xxzzb...@yahoo.com To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Cc: Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2012 2:03 PM Subject: Re: [Emc-users] A rose by any name? [Was: Not so custom] LMC? --- On Sat, 5/19/12, Przemek Klosowski przemek.klosow...@gmail.com wrote: From: Przemek Klosowski przemek.klosow...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Emc-users] A rose by any name? [Was: Not so custom] To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Saturday, May 19, 2012, 11:08 AM On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 5:24 AM, Erik Christiansen dva...@internode.on.net wrote: On 5/18/2012 4:28 PM, Przemek Klosowski wrote: BTW, now that we can't use EMC2 any more, and LinuxCNC seems longish and awkward to type, I am tempted to start using LCNC. Err, are we to be the group with no name? We didn't defend the one we had, and now we seek to discard our new common banner. You're quite right, I wasn't suggesting this as an official name but more in the context of informal communications related to LinuxCNC, where we mention LinuxCNC often and seeing the LinuxCNC term multiple times next to other mentions of LinuxCNC might just seem visually crowded because LinuxCNC 'glyph' is fairly long and busy graphically. For instance, in the source code, there are 55246 instances of the trigraph EMC, and replacing all of them by LinuxCNC might make the code slightly less readable, so something like 'lcnc' might be a reasonable compromise. Anyway, I start to feel like I'm bikeshedding so I will stop now. -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] A rose by any name? [Was: Not so custom]
Terry Christophersen wrote: LMC or LNC sounds good to m Logical Microcomputer Company made Unix-based computers using the Nat Semi 32016 CPU back in the late 80's. The system was a dog, for reasons I don't quite understand, maybe rotten compilers. I'm pretty sure they have been out of business for some time, but might be wise to check to see if there are copyrights or trademarks on a name, acronym or whatever before using it. That's how we got in trouble the first time. Jon -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] A rose by any name? [Was: Not so custom]
On 05/19/2012 07:52 PM, Jon Elson wrote: Terry Christophersen wrote: LMC or LNC sounds good to m Logical Microcomputer Company made Unix-based computers using the Nat Semi 32016 CPU back in the late 80's. The system was a dog, for reasons I don't quite understand, maybe rotten compilers. I'm pretty sure they have been out of business for some time, but might be wise to check to see if there are copyrights or trademarks on a name, acronym or whatever before using it. That's how we got in trouble the first time. Jon LNC is taken, as is LMC. LCNC appears to be available though. -- -Mark Ne M'oubliez ---Family Motto Hope for the best, plan for the worst ---Personal Motto -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] A rose by any name? [Was: Not so custom]
three letters is only 17576 choices. good bet they are all taken. four alphanumeric is only 1.6 million choices. eemmcc22? llmmcc, llnncc?? ellemcee. anLanMaC. --- On Sat, 5/19/12, Mark Cason farmerboy1...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Mark Cason farmerboy1...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Emc-users] A rose by any name? [Was: Not so custom] To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Saturday, May 19, 2012, 7:23 PM On 05/19/2012 07:52 PM, Jon Elson wrote: Terry Christophersen wrote: LMC or LNC sounds good to m Logical Microcomputer Company made Unix-based computers using the Nat Semi 32016 CPU back in the late 80's. The system was a dog, for reasons I don't quite understand, maybe rotten compilers. I'm pretty sure they have been out of business for some time, but might be wise to check to see if there are copyrights or trademarks on a name, acronym or whatever before using it. That's how we got in trouble the first time. Jon LNC is taken, as is LMC. LCNC appears to be available though. -- -Mark Ne M'oubliez ---Family Motto Hope for the best, plan for the worst ---Personal Motto -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
