Re: [Emc-users] NAMES and Flash Drive devices
On 16 Mar 2009 at 7:32, Ed Nisley wrote: > Although that's true, I think trying to do anything that > smacks of system administration while on the show floor is > doomed to humiliating failure. > > Most of the time, flash drives Just Work under Linux, but > there are a wide variety of flash drives and some require > specific care & feeding. All of us have the personality flaw > that requires us to solve problems and there's nothing more > compelling than Showing Off Our Sysadmin Chops. > Okay. I retract my flash drive idea. Wes -- Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] NAMES and Flash Drive devices
Steve Stallings wrote: > I agree. One dollar will not deter anyone who is seriously > interested. Since you have paid for a vendor booth you > can "sell" if you wish. Ohio state sales tax is another issue > however. If you are judged to be commercial it can be a > mess. PMDX does not sell in Ohio for that reason. Perhaps > a "tip jar" would work. > > Hell NO! That's even WORSE! Tips are "earnings", which requires a whole new level of tax paperwork! And, once you get on the payroll deduction bandwagon, you have to close the business to get off. If you think sales tax paperwork is onerous, you have NO IDEA what the payroll stuff looks like. Jon -- Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] NAMES and Flash Drive devices
> Copying to user-provided flash drives instead of handing > out CDs is a great idea, especially because it makes the > user participate actively rather than just grab > reflexively. Although that's true, I think trying to do anything that smacks of system administration while on the show floor is doomed to humiliating failure. Most of the time, flash drives Just Work under Linux, but there are a wide variety of flash drives and some require specific care & feeding. All of us have the personality flaw that requires us to solve problems and there's nothing more compelling than Showing Off Our Sysadmin Chops. The inevitable result is being elbow-deep in the guts of the OS, desperately trying to write the victim's USB drive, while causing untold collateral damage. Worst case: neither his USB drive nor your system are ever quite the same afterward -and- you blew half an hour getting there. Better to keep a stack of CDs under the table and hand one out to each interested prospect. While the CD might not be readable in his drive, you can fix that up after the fact. I would not, under any circumstances, use a Windows box for USB-drive duplication, as you'd almost certainly propagate the malware brought to you by an unsuspecting victim. Case in point: http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/Oct08/bots.ws.html Trade-show Exhibitor Rule Number 1: Keep It Simple, Stupid! Works for me, anyway... -- Ed -- Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] NAMES and Flash Drive devices
I agree. One dollar will not deter anyone who is seriously interested. Since you have paid for a vendor booth you can "sell" if you wish. Ohio state sales tax is another issue however. If you are judged to be commercial it can be a mess. PMDX does not sell in Ohio for that reason. Perhaps a "tip jar" would work. Steve Stallings > -Original Message- > From: Dean Hedin [mailto:dlh2...@comcast.net] > Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 9:07 PM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] NAMES and Flash Drive devices > > > Writing CD image or files of that size to USB memory is not > practical > > for a trade show. Simply too slow. > > Agreed. Not worth your time. Plus your assuming that anyone > who is seriously interested to try EMC will just happen to > have a USB pen on them. > > Just burn some CD's. Charge a minimal amount to cover copying > cost, like a dollar or so. > You should also point out that they are free to download the > image from the web as well. > > > -- > > Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex > Builder(TM) are powering Web 2.0 with engaging, > cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and easily build your > RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development > software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. > Download the free 60 day trial. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > -- Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] NAMES and Flash Drive devices
> Writing CD image or files of that size to USB memory is not practical > for a trade show. Simply too slow. Agreed. Not worth your time. Plus your assuming that anyone who is seriously interested to try EMC will just happen to have a USB pen on them. Just burn some CD's. Charge a minimal amount to cover copying cost, like a dollar or so. You should also point out that they are free to download the image from the web as well. -- Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] NAMES and Flash Drive devices
Kent A. Reed wrote: > Gentle persons: > > Copying to user-provided flash drives instead of handing out CDs is a > great idea, especially because it makes the user participate actively > rather than just grab reflexively. > > Just remember that > > 1) it is incredibly easy to propagate viruses and similar badness via > USB flash drives, although *probably* less so with a Linux host than a > Windows host. I'd want to do the copying on an isolated, protected host. > PROBABLY? This statement is very disturbing to me since in all my 15 years of using and advocating Linux I've never seen one (virus). Systems broken into from the Intenet yes, but no virus. Running dd or some such in Linux is not going to introduce ANY virus to a storage device nor is it going to read and execute infected file from it. > 2) the .iso file is ~700MB. I'm always surprised to discover how much > space I've already used on whatever USB flash drive I happen to have in > my pocket and I usually find I have to delete something to make room for > the latest. The clock will be ticking away while making sure there is > adequate space and while actually writing the .iso file. > Writing CD image or files of that size to USB memory is not practical for a trade show. Simply too slow. > Neither of these issues is a show-stopper, but I always expect that the > worst is most likely to happen on those occasions I'm dealing with a > live audience (a variant of Murphy's Law?) and I've rarely been > disappointed :-! > > Regards, > Kent > -- Rafael -- Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] NAMES and Flash Drive devices
Ubuntu can make flash drive bootable with Ubuntu Live CD on it. It is under System->Administration->Create a USB startup disk. So, if you just point it to EMC2 .iso, it will create EMC2 live flash drive. Regards, Alex. Kent A. Reed wrote: > Gentle persons: > > Copying to user-provided flash drives instead of handing out CDs is a > great idea, especially because it makes the user participate actively > rather than just grab reflexively. > > Just remember that > > 1) it is incredibly easy to propagate viruses and similar badness via > USB flash drives, although *probably* less so with a Linux host than a > Windows host. I'd want to do the copying on an isolated, protected host. > > 2) the .iso file is ~700MB. I'm always surprised to discover how much > space I've already used on whatever USB flash drive I happen to have in > my pocket and I usually find I have to delete something to make room for > the latest. The clock will be ticking away while making sure there is > adequate space and while actually writing the .iso file. > > Neither of these issues is a show-stopper, but I always expect that the > worst is most likely to happen on those occasions I'm dealing with a > live audience (a variant of Murphy's Law?) and I've rarely been > disappointed :-! > > Regards, > Kent > > >> Message: 3 >> Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 18:50:54 -0400 >> From: Dale Grover >> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] EMC at NAMES, Apr 18-19 >> To: "Enhanced Machine Controller \(EMC\)" >> >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >> >> Good point. Will try to be prepared for that too. >> >> Thanks! >> >> --Dale >> >> At 6:24 PM -0400 3/14/09, Wes S wrote: >> >> On 12 Mar 2009 at 19:59, Marty Swartz wrote: >>> >>> >> Dale - >> >> There is one "downside" to having a stack of CDs ready to go, and that >> is the "grab anything free" mentality. I've never been to a NAMES >> show, but at other professional or hobby exhibitions, people will line >> up for anything of perceived value. (Screwdrivers, for example.) =WE= >> all know that there's intrinsic value on that CD, regardless of >> whether the label is fancy, simple, or merely scrawled with a Sharpie. >> :) >> >> >> Given the ubiquity of flash drive devices, being prepared to upload an ISO image to a users device might be a cheap option. Sure would appeal to tech savy type living on dialup. Wes > > -- > Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are > powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and > easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development > software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. > Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > -- Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] NAMES and Flash Drive devices
On 15 Mar 2009 at 16:39, Kent A. Reed wrote: > Neither of these issues is a show-stopper, but I always expect that > the worst is most likely to happen on those occasions I'm dealing with > a live audience (a variant of Murphy's Law?) and I've rarely been > disappointed :-! > Good thoughts. How does linux react to a Sansa U3 device? In windows it looks like a USB CDROM device and runs the installler. Wes -- Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] NAMES and Flash Drive devices
Gentle persons: Copying to user-provided flash drives instead of handing out CDs is a great idea, especially because it makes the user participate actively rather than just grab reflexively. Just remember that 1) it is incredibly easy to propagate viruses and similar badness via USB flash drives, although *probably* less so with a Linux host than a Windows host. I'd want to do the copying on an isolated, protected host. 2) the .iso file is ~700MB. I'm always surprised to discover how much space I've already used on whatever USB flash drive I happen to have in my pocket and I usually find I have to delete something to make room for the latest. The clock will be ticking away while making sure there is adequate space and while actually writing the .iso file. Neither of these issues is a show-stopper, but I always expect that the worst is most likely to happen on those occasions I'm dealing with a live audience (a variant of Murphy's Law?) and I've rarely been disappointed :-! Regards, Kent > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 18:50:54 -0400 > From: Dale Grover > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] EMC at NAMES, Apr 18-19 > To: "Enhanced Machine Controller \(EMC\)" > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > > Good point. Will try to be prepared for that too. > > Thanks! > > --Dale > > At 6:24 PM -0400 3/14/09, Wes S wrote: > >> >On 12 Mar 2009 at 19:59, Marty Swartz wrote: >> > >> >>> >> Dale - >>> >> >>> >> There is one "downside" to having a stack of CDs ready to go, and that >>> >> is the "grab anything free" mentality. I've never been to a NAMES >>> >> show, but at other professional or hobby exhibitions, people will line >>> >> up for anything of perceived value. (Screwdrivers, for example.) =WE= >>> >> all know that there's intrinsic value on that CD, regardless of >>> >> whether the label is fancy, simple, or merely scrawled with a Sharpie. >>> >> :) >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> > >> >Given the ubiquity of flash drive devices, being prepared to upload >> >an ISO image to a users device might be a cheap option. Sure would >> >appeal to tech savy type living on dialup. >> > >> >Wes >> > >> > -- Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
