Re: [Emc-users] Poor memory, or new feature?

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 19 November 2020 12:23:01 dave engvall wrote:

> On 11/18/20 11:45 AM, Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users wrote:
> > Redline Water Wetter or Royal Purple Ice might lower the temps.
> > They're intended for use with plain water in race vehicles so that
> > when there's a coolant leak they don't make the track or drag strip
> > slick.
> >
> >   Their effectiveness is decreased in a normal 50/50
> > antifreeze/water mix but they still lower the temp of an engine
> > quite a bit, or keep one with a tendency to overheat on 50/50 from
> > overheating. After changing the engine in my sister's 1995 Buick
> > Century. I had the ECM chip reprogrammed to lower the fan ON temps
> > by 15F, along with disabling the 112MPH limit and tweaking the fuel
> > curves. Swapped the 195F thermostat for a 180F and it still wanted
> > to run extra hot. A bottle of Water Wetter fixed that. It overheated
> > because the "smart" people at GM thought it was a good idea to run a
> > 16 PSI system at 195F, the instant the radiator cap weakens, thar
> > she blows, or it'll blow a head gasket. They also decided the piston
> > to cylinder clearance had to be extra snug. So when that engine
> > overheats the pistons leave aluminum on the cylinder walls, the
> > piston skits bend inwards a bit too. That makes them clatter, which
> > sets off the knock sensor. That makes the ECU futz with the timing
> > and fuel in such a way that *makes it run even hotter*. For 1996 GM
> > applied a special coating the the skirts of pistons 5 and 6, then
> > for 1997+ all six got the coating. Just couldn't admit that running
> > it so hot was wrong, along with other things they did to it, without
> > going far enough to make it able to handle the higher pressure it
> > needed tow work properly at 195F.
> >
> > Anyway, the lower temp thermostat and ECU changes made it able to
> > get out of it's own way and overall MPG improved a bit, likely due
> > to less time being spent in accelerating up to speed since the
> > engine could make more power and do it faster. On Wednesday,
> > November 18, 2020, 12:33:32 AM MST, Gene Heskett
> >  wrote:
> >
> >   On Tuesday 17 November 2020 18:59:14 Gene Heskett wrote:
> >> On Tuesday 17 November 2020 13:18:50 andrew beck wrote:
> >>> I will link some videos Gene.  And can resize some photos when I
> >>> get a sec.
> >>
> >> Okay.  I spent the afternoon putting a fresh bob in the G0704 kit,
> >> then tried to bore 1/4" holes lengthwise thru 5.5" of 1/2" alu,
> >> with a 3" drill hog bit. That means I was drilling 3" deep from
> >> both ends with the holes meeting in the middle. 4 such holes all
> >> the way thru, 3 slightly missed each other but a 7mm reamer from
> >> both ends of the holes fixed that right up.  Now I need to hit the
> >> store and get a small bottle of lysol for the kool mist sitting in
> >> the coke bottle, and long johns for for some fish.  Somewhere I
> >> missed lunch and its catching up with me.
> >>
> >> Since  I have another, better motor coming for the 6040 I am
> >> tempted to put about 4 oz in the water tank, just for S & G. If it
> >> doesn't total the water pump, I haven't lost anything.
> >
> > But beware, the lysol in a spray pump bottle from the grocery store
> > is not the stinky stuff we all remember from our childhood, its now
> > a soap, putting a head on the water and virtually odorless. I first
> > put about 3 squirts in the mister bottle, and about 20 in the water
> > tank.  It been running at 4g's for about 8 hours  And its likely
> > well north of the lcd thermometers top of 40C. And if it doesn't do
> > squat I won't be surprised, it isn't the real stuff, nothing like
> > the lysol I remember.
>
> The 'new' lysol is a quat
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaternary_ammonium_cation
>
> rather than the classic creosote based smelly stuff.
> It should work quite well to suppress biological activity.
>
It will be well tested by next spring I'd wager, every time I make 
another coke bottle of mix, I'll top it off with a couple pumps of this 
stuff.

Thanks for looking it up. When I went to Advance Auto looking for a 
refresher additive for antifreeze anti corrosion stuff, they sold me a 
bottle of water wetter, claimed it was the same stuff.  We'll test it by 
putting 1/4 of the bottle in with 4 gals of distilled. 

Thanks Dave. 
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Re: [Emc-users] Poor memory, or new feature?

[dave engvall]

On 11/18/20 11:45 AM, Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users wrote:

Redline Water Wetter or Royal Purple Ice might lower the temps. They're 
intended for use with plain water in race vehicles so that when there's a 
coolant leak they don't make the track or drag strip slick.

  Their effectiveness is decreased in a normal 50/50 antifreeze/water mix but 
they still lower the temp of an engine quite a bit, or keep one with a tendency 
to overheat on 50/50 from overheating.
After changing the engine in my sister's 1995 Buick Century. I had the ECM chip 
reprogrammed to lower the fan ON temps by 15F, along with disabling the 112MPH 
limit and tweaking the fuel curves. Swapped the 195F thermostat for a 180F and 
it still wanted to run extra hot. A bottle of Water Wetter fixed that.
It overheated because the "smart" people at GM thought it was a good idea to 
run a 16 PSI system at 195F, the instant the radiator cap weakens, thar she blows, or 
it'll blow a head gasket. They also decided the piston to cylinder clearance had to be 
extra snug. So when that engine overheats the pistons leave aluminum on the cylinder 
walls, the piston skits bend inwards a bit too. That makes them clatter, which sets off 
the knock sensor. That makes the ECU futz with the timing and fuel in such a way that 
*makes it run even hotter*. For 1996 GM applied a special coating the the skirts of 
pistons 5 and 6, then for 1997+ all six got the coating. Just couldn't admit that running 
it so hot was wrong, along with other things they did to it, without going far enough to 
make it able to handle the higher pressure it needed tow work properly at 195F.

Anyway, the lower temp thermostat and ECU changes made it able to get out of 
it's own way and overall MPG improved a bit, likely due to less time being 
spent in accelerating up to speed since the engine could make more power and do 
it faster.
 On Wednesday, November 18, 2020, 12:33:32 AM MST, Gene Heskett 
 wrote:
  
  On Tuesday 17 November 2020 18:59:14 Gene Heskett wrote:



On Tuesday 17 November 2020 13:18:50 andrew beck wrote:

I will link some videos Gene.  And can resize some photos when I get
a sec.

Okay.  I spent the afternoon putting a fresh bob in the G0704 kit,
then tried to bore 1/4" holes lengthwise thru 5.5" of 1/2" alu, with a
3" drill hog bit. That means I was drilling 3" deep from both ends
with the holes meeting in the middle. 4 such holes all the way thru, 3
slightly missed each other but a 7mm reamer from both ends of the
holes fixed that right up.  Now I need to hit the store and get a
small bottle of lysol for the kool mist sitting in the coke bottle,
and long johns for for some fish.  Somewhere I missed lunch and its
catching up with me.

Since  I have another, better motor coming for the 6040 I am tempted
to put about 4 oz in the water tank, just for S & G. If it doesn't
total the water pump, I haven't lost anything.


But beware, the lysol in a spray pump bottle from the grocery store is
not the stinky stuff we all remember from our childhood, its now a soap,
putting a head on the water and virtually odorless. I first put about 3
squirts in the mister bottle, and about 20 in the water tank.  It been
running at 4g's for about 8 hours  And its likely well north of the lcd
thermometers top of 40C. And if it doesn't do squat I won't be
surprised, it isn't the real stuff, nothing like the lysol I remember.

The 'new' lysol is a quat

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaternary_ammonium_cation

rather than the classic creosote based smelly stuff.
It should work quite well to suppress biological activity.

  
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Re: [Emc-users] Poor memory, or new feature?

[Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users]

Redline Water Wetter or Royal Purple Ice might lower the temps. They're 
intended for use with plain water in race vehicles so that when there's a 
coolant leak they don't make the track or drag strip slick.

 Their effectiveness is decreased in a normal 50/50 antifreeze/water mix but 
they still lower the temp of an engine quite a bit, or keep one with a tendency 
to overheat on 50/50 from overheating.
After changing the engine in my sister's 1995 Buick Century. I had the ECM chip 
reprogrammed to lower the fan ON temps by 15F, along with disabling the 112MPH 
limit and tweaking the fuel curves. Swapped the 195F thermostat for a 180F and 
it still wanted to run extra hot. A bottle of Water Wetter fixed that.
It overheated because the "smart" people at GM thought it was a good idea to 
run a 16 PSI system at 195F, the instant the radiator cap weakens, thar she 
blows, or it'll blow a head gasket. They also decided the piston to cylinder 
clearance had to be extra snug. So when that engine overheats the pistons leave 
aluminum on the cylinder walls, the piston skits bend inwards a bit too. That 
makes them clatter, which sets off the knock sensor. That makes the ECU futz 
with the timing and fuel in such a way that *makes it run even hotter*. For 
1996 GM applied a special coating the the skirts of pistons 5 and 6, then for 
1997+ all six got the coating. Just couldn't admit that running it so hot was 
wrong, along with other things they did to it, without going far enough to make 
it able to handle the higher pressure it needed tow work properly at 195F.

Anyway, the lower temp thermostat and ECU changes made it able to get out of 
it's own way and overall MPG improved a bit, likely due to less time being 
spent in accelerating up to speed since the engine could make more power and do 
it faster.
On Wednesday, November 18, 2020, 12:33:32 AM MST, Gene Heskett 
 wrote:  
 
 On Tuesday 17 November 2020 18:59:14 Gene Heskett wrote:

> On Tuesday 17 November 2020 13:18:50 andrew beck wrote:
> > I will link some videos Gene.  And can resize some photos when I get
> > a sec.
>
> Okay.  I spent the afternoon putting a fresh bob in the G0704 kit,
> then tried to bore 1/4" holes lengthwise thru 5.5" of 1/2" alu, with a
> 3" drill hog bit. That means I was drilling 3" deep from both ends
> with the holes meeting in the middle. 4 such holes all the way thru, 3
> slightly missed each other but a 7mm reamer from both ends of the
> holes fixed that right up.  Now I need to hit the store and get a
> small bottle of lysol for the kool mist sitting in the coke bottle,
> and long johns for for some fish.  Somewhere I missed lunch and its
> catching up with me.
>
> Since  I have another, better motor coming for the 6040 I am tempted
> to put about 4 oz in the water tank, just for S & G. If it doesn't
> total the water pump, I haven't lost anything.
>
But beware, the lysol in a spray pump bottle from the grocery store is 
not the stinky stuff we all remember from our childhood, its now a soap, 
putting a head on the water and virtually odorless. I first put about 3 
squirts in the mister bottle, and about 20 in the water tank.  It been 
running at 4g's for about 8 hours  And its likely well north of the lcd 
thermometers top of 40C. And if it doesn't do squat I won't be 
surprised, it isn't the real stuff, nothing like the lysol I remember.  
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Re: [Emc-users] Poor memory, or new feature?

[Gene Heskett]

On Tuesday 17 November 2020 18:59:14 Gene Heskett wrote:

> On Tuesday 17 November 2020 13:18:50 andrew beck wrote:
> > I will link some videos Gene.  And can resize some photos when I get
> > a sec.
>
> Okay.  I spent the afternoon putting a fresh bob in the G0704 kit,
> then tried to bore 1/4" holes lengthwise thru 5.5" of 1/2" alu, with a
> 3" drill hog bit. That means I was drilling 3" deep from both ends
> with the holes meeting in the middle. 4 such holes all the way thru, 3
> slightly missed each other but a 7mm reamer from both ends of the
> holes fixed that right up.  Now I need to hit the store and get a
> small bottle of lysol for the kool mist sitting in the coke bottle,
> and long johns for for some fish.  Somewhere I missed lunch and its
> catching up with me.
>
> Since  I have another, better motor coming for the 6040 I am tempted
> to put about 4 oz in the water tank, just for S & G. If it doesn't
> total the water pump, I haven't lost anything.
>
But beware, the lysol in a spray pump bottle from the grocery store is 
not the stinky stuff we all remember from our childhood, its now a soap, 
putting a head on the water and virtually odorless. I first put about 3 
squirts in the mister bottle, and about 20 in the water tank.  It been 
running at 4g's for about 8 hours  And its likely well north of the lcd 
thermometers top of 40C. And if it doesn't do squat I won't be 
surprised, it isn't the real stuff, nothing like the lysol I remember.

> [...]
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett


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Re: [Emc-users] Poor memory, or new feature?

[Gene Heskett]

On Tuesday 17 November 2020 13:18:50 andrew beck wrote:

> I will link some videos Gene.  And can resize some photos when I get a
> sec.
>
Okay.  I spent the afternoon putting a fresh bob in the G0704 kit, then 
tried to bore 1/4" holes lengthwise thru 5.5" of 1/2" alu, with a 3" 
drill hog bit. That means I was drilling 3" deep from both ends with the 
holes meeting in the middle. 4 such holes all the way thru, 3 slightly 
missed each other but a 7mm reamer from both ends of the holes fixed 
that right up.  Now I need to hit the store and get a small bottle of 
lysol for the kool mist sitting in the coke bottle, and long johns for 
for some fish.  Somewhere I missed lunch and its catching up with me.

Since  I have another, better motor coming for the 6040 I am tempted to 
put about 4 oz in the water tank, just for S & G. If it doesn't total 
the water pump, I haven't lost anything.

[...]
 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: [Emc-users] Poor memory, or new feature?

[andrew beck]

I will link some videos Gene.  And can resize some photos when I get a sec.





On Wed, Nov 18, 2020, 2:42 AM Gene Heskett  wrote:

> On Tuesday 17 November 2020 05:25:48 andrew beck wrote:
>
> > awesome gene
> >
> > my machines are full size cnc machines 5 and 6 tons.  they have
> > ballscrews installed and couplings etc.  covers and doors.
> >
> > all I need to do to mount the motors is about 4 hrs work for
> > everything.  I need to drill new holes in the motor mounts and shrink
> > in a ring and then bore out the flexible couplings to the new shaft
> > size.  everything else just works.  limit switches are all there etc
> > and all wired up already.  it makes it so much nicer when all that
> > stuff is all done already by the machine manufacturer.
> >
> > the first machine I did has a positional  accuracy of under 0.005mm
> > and I hope this next cnc mill to be even better as it almost
> > mechanically brand new.  it is the same size as a haas VF3
> >
> > regards
> >
> > Andrew
>
> As just an old fart hobbyist, I'm usually under financed, and for sure
> jealous! A Pix or 3  would be nice. But run them thru gimp and export
> as .jpg's compressed to 250k or less as the list will block if strait
> out of the camera at 5 megs.
>
> [...]
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
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>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
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>  - Louis D. Brandeis
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>
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Re: [Emc-users] Poor memory, or new feature?

[Gene Heskett]

On Tuesday 17 November 2020 05:25:48 andrew beck wrote:

> awesome gene
>
> my machines are full size cnc machines 5 and 6 tons.  they have
> ballscrews installed and couplings etc.  covers and doors.
>
> all I need to do to mount the motors is about 4 hrs work for
> everything.  I need to drill new holes in the motor mounts and shrink
> in a ring and then bore out the flexible couplings to the new shaft
> size.  everything else just works.  limit switches are all there etc
> and all wired up already.  it makes it so much nicer when all that
> stuff is all done already by the machine manufacturer.
>
> the first machine I did has a positional  accuracy of under 0.005mm
> and I hope this next cnc mill to be even better as it almost
> mechanically brand new.  it is the same size as a haas VF3
>
> regards
>
> Andrew

As just an old fart hobbyist, I'm usually under financed, and for sure 
jealous! A Pix or 3  would be nice. But run them thru gimp and export 
as .jpg's compressed to 250k or less as the list will block if strait 
out of the camera at 5 megs.

[...]

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Re: [Emc-users] Poor memory, or new feature?

[andrew beck]

awesome gene

my machines are full size cnc machines 5 and 6 tons.  they have ballscrews
installed and couplings etc.  covers and doors.

all I need to do to mount the motors is about 4 hrs work for everything.  I
need to drill new holes in the motor mounts and shrink in a ring and then
bore out the flexible couplings to the new shaft size.  everything else
just works.  limit switches are all there etc and all wired up already.  it
makes it so much nicer when all that stuff is all done already by the
machine manufacturer.

the first machine I did has a positional  accuracy of under 0.005mm and I
hope this next cnc mill to be even better as it almost mechanically brand
new.  it is the same size as a haas VF3

regards

Andrew



On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 2:14 AM Gene Heskett  wrote:

> On Monday 16 November 2020 04:12:02 andrew beck wrote:
>
> > Sweet.  I have 8 big servo drives for all my machines turning up
> > tomorrow I think finally.  Will be so good to get my cnc lathe and
> > second cnc mill working.
> >
> But Andrew, that will generate a lot of 4 letter words, called "work". At
> my age, I ration that to what I can do with a 30% pump.
>
> Unless it was originally built with motors. adapting it for servo motors
> will be a lot of work. I think the most work I did was on the Sheldon
> lathe, it was in bad shape, compound broken, spindle bent, crossfeed in
> tatters. I had to strip it down to the bed and build it back up with new
> designs at every aspect.  Finding the right ball screws was just a
> start. The only thing left of the original X drive today is the crank
> bearing screwed into the front of the carriage.  And its been machined
> to be the new X anchor point complete with roller bearings in both
> directions. None of the taper attachment that was the original X anchor
> is still on the machine. I sealed up the trench in the cross feed where
> the screw lives so swarf can't get into the new ball screw, and I
> covered the new ball type Z screw with pleated bellows to keep swarf out
> of it.
>
> I used some motors I had on the shelf which weren't that well suited for
> the job, and just this summer replaced both of them with the new 2 and 3
> newton, 3 phase steppers that think they are servo's, reducing the
> stepper rattle about 99%, its now Casper the ghost when moving at
> cutting speeds, those 3 phase motors are very low noise. The drivers are
> MUCH smaller.
>
> And alarmed. I can run z into a stopped chuck jaw with a chipped tool
> mounted at 5 ipm, it see's the stoppage, kills the motor enables which
> allows them to spring back to clear the chuck jaw about 10 thou, and
> cancels all homes. And does it w/o crushing the $15 chip in the tool. I
> made clamps for the rear of the faceplates that clamp the backing plate
> to the spindle flange, and put a retuned vfd on the spindle motor.
>
> I've made some hal code show how far it turns at overtravel, and If I do
> the gcode right, calculates the overtravel distance when motion issues a
> reverse when doing rigid tapping. With an 8" 4 jaw chuck mounted, a good
> 35 lbs, and turning 100 rpm, the overtravel is .245 turn.
>
> I made a new apron plate, and it has a pair of 100 ppr dials, that I can
> drive by hand since there are not any hand cranks left, at selectable
> speeds starting at .0002" per click.
>
> LinuxCNC lets me correct for bed wear, which is considerable right in
> front of the chuck, so I can run it from the chuck to the tail stock at
> a maximum uncorrected error in the .002" range.  The great unknown is
> the error in the 1.5 meter long, grade C7 Z screw. The X screw is a bit
> better, but its history is unk. Backlash is in the range of 1 to 2 thou,
> both ways. Pretty good for a nearly 80 yo lathe
>
> That's good enough for the girls I go with these days. :)
>
> > So I'll be asking a lot of questions about linuxcnc again soon I
> > think.
>
> Bring `em on. I've not quite done it yet, but I'll learn about servo's
> since that is what I am hanging on the side of a Chinese BS-1 clone to
> run it. Using a brushed 100 watt sliding estate gate motor, which has an
> encoder in it and is a worm drive output.
>
> > Regards
> >
> > Andrew
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
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>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
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Re: [Emc-users] Poor memory, or new feature?

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 16 November 2020 04:12:02 andrew beck wrote:

> Sweet.  I have 8 big servo drives for all my machines turning up
> tomorrow I think finally.  Will be so good to get my cnc lathe and
> second cnc mill working.
>
But Andrew, that will generate a lot of 4 letter words, called "work". At 
my age, I ration that to what I can do with a 30% pump.

Unless it was originally built with motors. adapting it for servo motors 
will be a lot of work. I think the most work I did was on the Sheldon 
lathe, it was in bad shape, compound broken, spindle bent, crossfeed in 
tatters. I had to strip it down to the bed and build it back up with new 
designs at every aspect.  Finding the right ball screws was just a 
start. The only thing left of the original X drive today is the crank 
bearing screwed into the front of the carriage.  And its been machined 
to be the new X anchor point complete with roller bearings in both 
directions. None of the taper attachment that was the original X anchor 
is still on the machine. I sealed up the trench in the cross feed where 
the screw lives so swarf can't get into the new ball screw, and I 
covered the new ball type Z screw with pleated bellows to keep swarf out 
of it.

I used some motors I had on the shelf which weren't that well suited for 
the job, and just this summer replaced both of them with the new 2 and 3 
newton, 3 phase steppers that think they are servo's, reducing the 
stepper rattle about 99%, its now Casper the ghost when moving at 
cutting speeds, those 3 phase motors are very low noise. The drivers are 
MUCH smaller.

And alarmed. I can run z into a stopped chuck jaw with a chipped tool 
mounted at 5 ipm, it see's the stoppage, kills the motor enables which 
allows them to spring back to clear the chuck jaw about 10 thou, and 
cancels all homes. And does it w/o crushing the $15 chip in the tool. I 
made clamps for the rear of the faceplates that clamp the backing plate 
to the spindle flange, and put a retuned vfd on the spindle motor.

I've made some hal code show how far it turns at overtravel, and If I do 
the gcode right, calculates the overtravel distance when motion issues a 
reverse when doing rigid tapping. With an 8" 4 jaw chuck mounted, a good 
35 lbs, and turning 100 rpm, the overtravel is .245 turn.

I made a new apron plate, and it has a pair of 100 ppr dials, that I can 
drive by hand since there are not any hand cranks left, at selectable 
speeds starting at .0002" per click. 

LinuxCNC lets me correct for bed wear, which is considerable right in 
front of the chuck, so I can run it from the chuck to the tail stock at 
a maximum uncorrected error in the .002" range.  The great unknown is 
the error in the 1.5 meter long, grade C7 Z screw. The X screw is a bit 
better, but its history is unk. Backlash is in the range of 1 to 2 thou, 
both ways. Pretty good for a nearly 80 yo lathe

That's good enough for the girls I go with these days. :)

> So I'll be asking a lot of questions about linuxcnc again soon I
> think.

Bring `em on. I've not quite done it yet, but I'll learn about servo's 
since that is what I am hanging on the side of a Chinese BS-1 clone to 
run it. Using a brushed 100 watt sliding estate gate motor, which has an 
encoder in it and is a worm drive output.

> Regards
>
> Andrew

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Re: [Emc-users] Poor memory, or new feature?

[andrew beck]

Sweet.  I have 8 big servo drives for all my machines turning up tomorrow I
think finally.  Will be so good to get my cnc lathe and second cnc mill
working.

So I'll be asking a lot of questions about linuxcnc again soon I think.

Regards

Andrew

On Mon, Nov 16, 2020, 7:49 PM Gene Heskett  wrote:

> On Monday 16 November 2020 01:06:54 andrew beck wrote:
>
> > Not sure.  I can check later
> >
> Never mind, Andrew, I can test later today.  Thanks for the reminder.
>
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Re: [Emc-users] Poor memory, or new feature?

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 16 November 2020 01:06:54 andrew beck wrote:

> Not sure.  I can check later
>
Never mind, Andrew, I can test later today.  Thanks for the reminder.

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[andrew beck]

Not sure.  I can check later

On Mon, Nov 16, 2020, 7:02 PM Gene Heskett  wrote:

> On Sunday 15 November 2020 23:26:31 andrew beck wrote:
>
> > Gene.
> >
> > Just so you know.
> >
> > F7 hotkey on keyboard turns on mist.  (when button is greyed out in
> > auto mode in axis 2.8)
> >
> > F8 turns on main water coolant.
> >
> > That all works perfectly perfect
>
> I may have known that, but the wet ram is 86 yo and had forgotten it,
> thank you very much, Andrew. Does F9 still turn both off?
>
> > Regards
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> [...]
>
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Re: [Emc-users] Poor memory, or new feature?

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 15 November 2020 23:26:31 andrew beck wrote:

> Gene.
>
> Just so you know.
>
> F7 hotkey on keyboard turns on mist.  (when button is greyed out in
> auto mode in axis 2.8)
>
> F8 turns on main water coolant.
>
> That all works perfectly perfect

I may have known that, but the wet ram is 86 yo and had forgotten it, 
thank you very much, Andrew. Does F9 still turn both off?

> Regards
>
> Andrew
>
[...]

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Re: [Emc-users] Poor memory, or new feature?

[andrew beck]

Gene.

Just so you know.

F7 hotkey on keyboard turns on mist.  (when button is greyed out in auto
mode in axis 2.8)

F8 turns on main water coolant.

That all works perfectly perfect

Regards

Andrew

On Mon, Nov 16, 2020, 9:10 AM jrmitchellj  wrote:

> When I have needed to pick up a program (start from here), I start the mist
> before I start the program.  Works well, but having access while in auto
> would be really nice!
>
> --J. Ray Mitchell Jr.
> jrmitche...@gmail.com
>
>
>
> "Good enough is the enemy of excellence"author unknown
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 9:15 AM Sam Sokolik  wrote:
>
> > That has always been the case with axis..   I think most people add some
> > hal with a pyvcp or such.
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 15, 2020, 5:16 AM Gene Heskett  wrote:
> >
> > > On Saturday 14 November 2020 23:23:36 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Saturday 14 November 2020 19:24:02 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday 14 November 2020 18:41:16 andy pugh wrote:
> > > > > > On Sat, 14 Nov 2020 at 23:38, Gene Heskett  >
> > > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Me neither Andy. And I'd sure like it if it gets fixed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Can you create an issue?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/issues
> > > >
> > > > Any sensible username I might use is "not available", so no, I cannot
> > > > login.
> > > >
> > > > So how do I set a usable username? What is it required to contain?
> > >
> > > Well, I screwed around and found a username it would buy, but then it
> > > rejects my email address as invalid. That's the only email address I
> > > have that will reach me. I don't have any other aliases setup at my
> ISP.
> > > I may be known to github, but I changed browsers about a year back, and
> > > the first thing chromium did was wipe out firefoxes database of logins
> > > and pw's. What a revoltin development that was, as I had to start fresh
> > > at my bank and all that BS, much of which I still don't have reset yet.
> > >
> > > So if someone else has rights to raise an issue, please do it. github
> has
> > > apparently gotten even pickityer about security. They don't even
> present
> > > you with a forgotten password recovery. Somebody's paranoia is out of
> > > control IMNSHO.
> > >
> > > The issue is that while running gcode, the mist and flood buttons in
> axis
> > > are grayed out and unresponsive, forcing one to add the m7-8-9's to
> your
> > > code if you want to use them. This has not been the case in the past if
> > > my memory is correct.
> > >
> > > Thank you.
> > >
> > > Cheers, Gene Heskett
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> > >  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > > -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
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Re: [Emc-users] Poor memory, or new feature?

[jrmitchellj]

When I have needed to pick up a program (start from here), I start the mist
before I start the program.  Works well, but having access while in auto
would be really nice!

--J. Ray Mitchell Jr.
jrmitche...@gmail.com



"Good enough is the enemy of excellence"author unknown


On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 9:15 AM Sam Sokolik  wrote:

> That has always been the case with axis..   I think most people add some
> hal with a pyvcp or such.
>
> On Sun, Nov 15, 2020, 5:16 AM Gene Heskett  wrote:
>
> > On Saturday 14 November 2020 23:23:36 Gene Heskett wrote:
> >
> > > On Saturday 14 November 2020 19:24:02 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > On Saturday 14 November 2020 18:41:16 andy pugh wrote:
> > > > > On Sat, 14 Nov 2020 at 23:38, Gene Heskett 
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Me neither Andy. And I'd sure like it if it gets fixed.
> > > > >
> > > > > Can you create an issue?
> > > > >
> > > > > https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/issues
> > >
> > > Any sensible username I might use is "not available", so no, I cannot
> > > login.
> > >
> > > So how do I set a usable username? What is it required to contain?
> >
> > Well, I screwed around and found a username it would buy, but then it
> > rejects my email address as invalid. That's the only email address I
> > have that will reach me. I don't have any other aliases setup at my ISP.
> > I may be known to github, but I changed browsers about a year back, and
> > the first thing chromium did was wipe out firefoxes database of logins
> > and pw's. What a revoltin development that was, as I had to start fresh
> > at my bank and all that BS, much of which I still don't have reset yet.
> >
> > So if someone else has rights to raise an issue, please do it. github has
> > apparently gotten even pickityer about security. They don't even present
> > you with a forgotten password recovery. Somebody's paranoia is out of
> > control IMNSHO.
> >
> > The issue is that while running gcode, the mist and flood buttons in axis
> > are grayed out and unresponsive, forcing one to add the m7-8-9's to your
> > code if you want to use them. This has not been the case in the past if
> > my memory is correct.
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > Cheers, Gene Heskett
> > --
> > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
> >  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
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[Sam Sokolik]

That has always been the case with axis..   I think most people add some
hal with a pyvcp or such.

On Sun, Nov 15, 2020, 5:16 AM Gene Heskett  wrote:

> On Saturday 14 November 2020 23:23:36 Gene Heskett wrote:
>
> > On Saturday 14 November 2020 19:24:02 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > On Saturday 14 November 2020 18:41:16 andy pugh wrote:
> > > > On Sat, 14 Nov 2020 at 23:38, Gene Heskett 
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > > > > Me neither Andy. And I'd sure like it if it gets fixed.
> > > >
> > > > Can you create an issue?
> > > >
> > > > https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/issues
> >
> > Any sensible username I might use is "not available", so no, I cannot
> > login.
> >
> > So how do I set a usable username? What is it required to contain?
>
> Well, I screwed around and found a username it would buy, but then it
> rejects my email address as invalid. That's the only email address I
> have that will reach me. I don't have any other aliases setup at my ISP.
> I may be known to github, but I changed browsers about a year back, and
> the first thing chromium did was wipe out firefoxes database of logins
> and pw's. What a revoltin development that was, as I had to start fresh
> at my bank and all that BS, much of which I still don't have reset yet.
>
> So if someone else has rights to raise an issue, please do it. github has
> apparently gotten even pickityer about security. They don't even present
> you with a forgotten password recovery. Somebody's paranoia is out of
> control IMNSHO.
>
> The issue is that while running gcode, the mist and flood buttons in axis
> are grayed out and unresponsive, forcing one to add the m7-8-9's to your
> code if you want to use them. This has not been the case in the past if
> my memory is correct.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
> --
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>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
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Re: [Emc-users] Poor memory, or new feature?

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 14 November 2020 23:23:36 Gene Heskett wrote:

> On Saturday 14 November 2020 19:24:02 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Saturday 14 November 2020 18:41:16 andy pugh wrote:
> > > On Sat, 14 Nov 2020 at 23:38, Gene Heskett 
> >
> > wrote:
> > > > Me neither Andy. And I'd sure like it if it gets fixed.
> > >
> > > Can you create an issue?
> > >
> > > https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/issues
>
> Any sensible username I might use is "not available", so no, I cannot
> login.
>
> So how do I set a usable username? What is it required to contain?

Well, I screwed around and found a username it would buy, but then it 
rejects my email address as invalid. That's the only email address I 
have that will reach me. I don't have any other aliases setup at my ISP. 
I may be known to github, but I changed browsers about a year back, and 
the first thing chromium did was wipe out firefoxes database of logins 
and pw's. What a revoltin development that was, as I had to start fresh 
at my bank and all that BS, much of which I still don't have reset yet.

So if someone else has rights to raise an issue, please do it. github has 
apparently gotten even pickityer about security. They don't even present 
you with a forgotten password recovery. Somebody's paranoia is out of 
control IMNSHO.

The issue is that while running gcode, the mist and flood buttons in axis 
are grayed out and unresponsive, forcing one to add the m7-8-9's to your 
code if you want to use them. This has not been the case in the past if 
my memory is correct.

Thank you.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 14 November 2020 19:24:02 Gene Heskett wrote:

> On Saturday 14 November 2020 18:41:16 andy pugh wrote:
> > On Sat, 14 Nov 2020 at 23:38, Gene Heskett 
>
> wrote:
> > > Me neither Andy. And I'd sure like it if it gets fixed.
> >
> > Can you create an issue?
> >
> > https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/issues
>
Any sensible username I might use is "not available", so no, I cannot 
login. 

So how do I set a usable username? What is it required to contain?

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 14 November 2020 18:41:16 andy pugh wrote:

> On Sat, 14 Nov 2020 at 23:38, Gene Heskett  
wrote:
> > Me neither Andy. And I'd sure like it if it gets fixed.
>
> Can you create an issue?
>
> https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/issues

Any sensible username I might use is not available, so no, I cannot.

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On Sat, 14 Nov 2020 at 23:38, Gene Heskett  wrote:

> Me neither Andy. And I'd sure like it if it gets fixed.

Can you create an issue?

https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/issues

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On Saturday 14 November 2020 18:28:16 andy pugh wrote:

> On Sat, 14 Nov 2020 at 22:58, Gene Heskett  
wrote:
> > > Which UI? AFAIK you always could and still can.
> >
> > axis, and its all ghosted when running gcode on todays master,
> > active only if you stop the execution. That machine is still running
> > wheezy, but lcnc was fresh early this morning.
>
> Having tried a sim, this does seem to be the case.
> But it is also the case in 2.7.
>
> I mainly use Touchy, and that does allow you to turn on coolant when
> in auto.
>
> I agree that this does not seem to be the behaviour that one would
> want.

Me neither Andy. And I'd sure like it if it gets fixed.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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On Sat, 14 Nov 2020 at 22:58, Gene Heskett  wrote:

> > Which UI? AFAIK you always could and still can.
> axis, and its all ghosted when running gcode on todays master, active
> only if you stop the execution. That machine is still running wheezy,
> but lcnc was fresh early this morning.

Having tried a sim, this does seem to be the case.
But it is also the case in 2.7.

I mainly use Touchy, and that does allow you to turn on coolant when in auto.

I agree that this does not seem to be the behaviour that one would want.

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Re: [Emc-users] Poor memory, or new feature?

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On Saturday 14 November 2020 13:31:35 andy pugh wrote:

> On Sat, 14 Nov 2020 at 15:13, Gene Heskett  
wrote:
> > ISTR I used to be able to control the mist and flood buttons when
> > LCNC was executing a program, but discovered this morning that I
> > can't.
>
> Which UI? AFAIK you always could and still can.
axis, and its all ghosted when running gcode on todays master, active 
only if you stop the execution. That machine is still running wheezy, 
but lcnc was fresh early this morning.

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Re: [Emc-users] Poor memory, or new feature?

[andy pugh]

On Sat, 14 Nov 2020 at 15:13, Gene Heskett  wrote:

> ISTR I used to be able to control the mist and flood buttons when LCNC
> was executing a program, but discovered this morning that I can't.

Which UI? AFAIK you always could and still can.

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[Emc-users] Poor memory, or new feature?

[Gene Heskett]

Greetings all;

Bringing up a program to cut out a couple sets of motor mounts, I had 
added the circles for the 64.5mm diameter motor, and had programmed it 
to do a test cut .4mm deep, but 50mm was too fast, locked up the spindle 
motor and tripped the circuit breaker on the power strip its plugged 
into.
 
ISTR I used to be able to control the mist and flood buttons when LCNC 
was executing a program, but discovered this morning that I can't.

Were we ever able to, or do I miss-remember?

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