[Emc-users] Z-Axis Drifting Problem

2008-05-17 Thread nasir ahmed
  Dear All,
   
  We have installed Motenc-Lite on two milling machines.
  X and Y axis on both machines show good repeatability and show no errors 
after long run.
  Z-axis shifts conitinously by repeated motion of 100mm for 400 times, the 
error shifts the 
  Z-axis approximmately 1.00mm into the job ie error is in minus direction.
  Z-axis Motor and encoder have been exchanged with other axis, but the error 
remain in the
  Z-axis.
   
  Regards
  Nasir.
  


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Re: [Emc-users] Z-Axis Drifting Problem

2008-05-17 Thread Ray Henry

Hi Nasir

Good to hear from you again.  You started using EMC a long time ago.
Six+ years ago at least.

Does it do the same sort of sliding down when the moves are fast as
opposed to slow?  

Is it possible that you have mechanical slip between the axis and the
feedback.  If this is a motor with an encoder mounted on the end of it,
is there any possibility of movement between the motor and the
leadscrew.

I can't see how electrical interference would cause bad counting in one
direction only but you might make certain your encoder cables are
grounded at the drive end only.  We found just a little bit of
difference in the ground potential between axes on the Motinc card we
used with the Mazak but I don't see how that would cause this either.

Rayh



On Sat, 2008-05-17 at 11:02 -0700, nasir ahmed wrote:
 Dear All,
  
 We have installed Motenc-Lite on two milling machines.
 X and Y axis on both machines show good repeatability and show no
 errors after long run.
 Z-axis shifts conitinously by repeated motion of 100mm for 400 times,
 the error shifts the 
 Z-axis approximmately 1.00mm into the job ie error is in minus
 direction.
 Z-axis Motor and encoder have been exchanged with other axis, but the
 error remain in the
 Z-axis.
  
 Regards
 Nasir.
 
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Re: [Emc-users] Z-Axis Drifting Problem

2008-05-17 Thread Jeff Epler
On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 02:33:04PM -0500, Ray Henry wrote:
 I can't see how electrical interference would cause bad counting in one
 direction only but you might make certain your encoder cables are
 grounded at the drive end only.

I agree this sounds a bit strange, but I've seen this on two occasions.
Once the encoder sensor was physically dirty, and in the other case
there was electrical noise due to (iirc) bad grounding.  In both these
cases, the position error was consistently biased in one particular
direction.

You're right to suggest not dismissing electrical interference in this
case.

Jeff

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Re: [Emc-users] Z-Axis Drifting Problem

2008-05-17 Thread Glenn R. Edwards
Focusing on possible mechanical sources: A Z-axis not capable of lifting the
spindle at max slew, but sized well enough to drive the spindle down, would
behave in this manner.

Glenn 

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On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 02:33:04PM -0500, Ray Henry wrote:
 I can't see how electrical interference would cause bad counting in 
 one direction only but you might make certain your encoder cables are 
 grounded at the drive end only.

I agree this sounds a bit strange, but I've seen this on two occasions.
Once the encoder sensor was physically dirty, and in the other case there
was electrical noise due to (iirc) bad grounding.  In both these cases, the
position error was consistently biased in one particular direction.

You're right to suggest not dismissing electrical interference in this case.

Jeff

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