Re: [Emc-users] A bit OT: DNC - NC file server from microcomputer?

2016-05-01 Thread Ormund Williams
On Mon, 2016-05-02 at 00:40 +, Ralph Stirling wrote:
> OK, due to popular demand, I dug up the (somewhat crude)
> source code for my dnc.  It can be compiled either for a Fanuc
> (tested only on 0i-TC) or Haas.  I ran it on a linux box which
> mounted a CIFS network drive, so the G-code file it opened was
> on a campus server.
> 
> You can grab my code at:
> http://people.wallawalla.edu/~ralph.stirling/misc/dnc/
> 
Thanks Ralph, that should help me understand whats going on between the
Fanuc and EasyDNC.


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Re: [Emc-users] A bit OT: DNC - NC file server from microcomputer?

2016-05-01 Thread Ralph Stirling
OK, due to popular demand, I dug up the (somewhat crude)
source code for my dnc.  It can be compiled either for a Fanuc
(tested only on 0i-TC) or Haas.  I ran it on a linux box which
mounted a CIFS network drive, so the G-code file it opened was
on a campus server.

You can grab my code at:
http://people.wallawalla.edu/~ralph.stirling/misc/dnc/

-- Ralph

From: Marius Alksnys [mar...@robotise.lt]
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 11:56 PM
To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] A bit OT: DNC - NC file server from microcomputer?

That would be awesome!

> I can dig up program source for anybody that wants
> it as a starting point.
>
> -- Ralph


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Re: [Emc-users] A bit OT: DNC - NC file server from microcomputer?

2016-04-30 Thread Nicklas Karlsson
Simplest to understand would be one program automatically loaded on each USB 
stick. With a label on each USB stick a minimum of computer knowledge would be 
required.



> I would go with network, but the customer wants USB flash. They are not 
> very computer-savy. I wish to help them to find better way.
> 
> 04/30/2016 07:46 AM, Chris Albertson rašė:
> > How are you getting the files onto the USB drive.  It seems simplest if you
> > could loose the USB drive and move files over a network.  With a file
> > server of some kind you also loose the concept of "moving" files.  There
> > would just be a shared folder And you'd drop the files there.  No USB drives
> 
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Re: [Emc-users] A bit OT: DNC - NC file server from microcomputer?

2016-04-30 Thread Marius Alksnys
04/30/2016 03:17 AM, Erik Friesen rašė:
> Are you comfortable coding?

Yes.


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Re: [Emc-users] A bit OT: DNC - NC file server from microcomputer?

2016-04-30 Thread Marius Alksnys
That would be awesome!

> I can dig up program source for anybody that wants
> it as a starting point.
>
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Re: [Emc-users] A bit OT: DNC - NC file server from microcomputer?

2016-04-30 Thread Marius Alksnys
I would go with network, but the customer wants USB flash. They are not 
very computer-savy. I wish to help them to find better way.

04/30/2016 07:46 AM, Chris Albertson rašė:
> How are you getting the files onto the USB drive.  It seems simplest if you
> could loose the USB drive and move files over a network.  With a file
> server of some kind you also loose the concept of "moving" files.  There
> would just be a shared folder And you'd drop the files there.  No USB drives


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Re: [Emc-users] A bit OT: DNC - NC file server from microcomputer?

2016-04-29 Thread Chris Albertson
How are you getting the files onto the USB drive.  It seems simplest if you
could loose the USB drive and move files over a network.  With a file
server of some kind you also loose the concept of "moving" files.  There
would just be a shared folder And you'd drop the files there.  No USB drives

On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 2:24 PM, Marius Alksnys  wrote:

> I have a question how to simplify file transfer from, let's say, USB
> flash drive to a CNC machine with specifically Fanuc 18t controller.
>
> Now this machine has its own old laptop with old MS Win and some DNC
> software. It takes several clicks on the PC and several non trivial
> Fanuc panel button presses including correct sequence of them. And to my
> surprise operators are used to this.
>
> As I was used to DNC, there was a PC with shared NC folder(s) on a
> network, connected through serial port (and adapter if needed) to the
> CNC machine(s). There was no need to come to this PC.
>  From the machine side (with old Heidenhain controller) I had to press
> EXT, enter file number, press Enter and that's all - I had any file I
> wanted of any size in the machine in drip-feed mode! And this was
> reallly old machine.
>
> Now I see this not so old (about 2006) Fanuc and I am surprised how
> complicated life is for the operators..
>
> Do you have an idea how to use BeagleBone or similar micro device glued
> to the side of the panel of the machine to work as a USB adapter or even
> + LAN file server?
>
>
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Re: [Emc-users] A bit OT: DNC - NC file server from microcomputer?

2016-04-29 Thread Todd Zuercher
We have several Fanuc machines of that vintage,(2002-2007).  While none of them 
are 18t we have a couple 0i, couple of 21i, and a couple of 0i-Mate controls 
with PC fronts.  Most all of these have some form of a USB port (the 2002 21i 
might not), but you may have to open the cabinet and plug into a port directly 
on the operator panels PC motherboard. However, all of them are able to connect 
to the shops ethernet network, to easily download files to run from their 
internal hard-drives.  And running files via DNC from the internal disks is 
pretty simple.  Loading and running from machine memory, is a pain, and is more 
like the process description you describe.

- Original Message -
From: "Marius Alksnys" 
To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 5:24:25 PM
Subject: [Emc-users] A bit OT: DNC - NC file server from microcomputer?

I have a question how to simplify file transfer from, let's say, USB 
flash drive to a CNC machine with specifically Fanuc 18t controller.

Now this machine has its own old laptop with old MS Win and some DNC 
software. It takes several clicks on the PC and several non trivial 
Fanuc panel button presses including correct sequence of them. And to my 
surprise operators are used to this.

As I was used to DNC, there was a PC with shared NC folder(s) on a 
network, connected through serial port (and adapter if needed) to the 
CNC machine(s). There was no need to come to this PC.
 From the machine side (with old Heidenhain controller) I had to press 
EXT, enter file number, press Enter and that's all - I had any file I 
wanted of any size in the machine in drip-feed mode! And this was 
reallly old machine.

Now I see this not so old (about 2006) Fanuc and I am surprised how 
complicated life is for the operators..

Do you have an idea how to use BeagleBone or similar micro device glued 
to the side of the panel of the machine to work as a USB adapter or even 
+ LAN file server?


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Re: [Emc-users] A bit OT: DNC - NC file server from microcomputer?

2016-04-29 Thread Ormund Williams
On Fri, 2016-04-29 at 21:45 +, Ralph Stirling wrote:
> I wrote a small program that I ran on an old Linux
> PC to transfer files to a Mori Seiki lathe with Fanuc 0-iTC
> and to a Haas TM-1.  It waited on the handshake
> signal from the machine serial port, and would then
> fetch a single file from a network file system drive
> (either moricode.txt or haascode.txt according to the
> machine).  Users of the machines would copy their
> G-code file to the network drive as moricode.txt or
> haascode.txt, then walk over to the machine and
> punch the button sequence to read a file over the
> serial port.  Everything else was handled by the programs
> on the PC (which was headless).  I'll likely set this
> up on a BBB or RPi at some point.
> 
> I can dig up program source for anybody that wants
> it as a starting point.
> 
I'd be interested in that code, I did a small microcontroller board
that sits between a PC running DNC and a Fanuc 0-M controller.  The
controller is failing and no longer retains macros so the tool changer
stopped working, my circuit swallows the T command and does the tool
change but otherwise passes the commands onto the Fanuc.  I'd like to
understand whats going on with DNC.


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Re: [Emc-users] A bit OT: DNC - NC file server from microcomputer?

2016-04-29 Thread Erik Friesen
Adding requests from the panel shouldn't be hard, but who doesn't have a
table or phone laying around?

On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 8:17 PM, Erik Friesen  wrote:

> Are you comfortable coding?
>
> I just did something for myself that is similar to this for my haas vf2.
> I set up a windows share using samba on a headless intel nuc running debian
> and a ftdi rs232 adapter.  Then a couple days later I have this web gui
> that you can select the file to receive or send out of the shared folder.
> I have been trying to decide where to go with it so far, whether to try to
> take it commercial or open source it and sell pre ready hardware.  Its
> still pretty beta thought, and only supports xmodem.  I think
> embeddedarm.com has some nice hardware options.
>
> calmotion lancnc does sort of what you want, but you have to wire their
> pendant on there.  Plus, its an ftp server, not a real windows share.
>
> The state of cnc machines and dnc is pathetic.  If you want something off
> the shelf it was probably written years ago, or pay lots of money.
>
> Some people say they have run millions of lines without error checking on
> rs232, but I don't trust it.  All it takes is a glitch on a decimal point.
>
> On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 5:45 PM, Ralph Stirling <
> ralph.stirl...@wallawalla.edu> wrote:
>
>> I wrote a small program that I ran on an old Linux
>> PC to transfer files to a Mori Seiki lathe with Fanuc 0-iTC
>> and to a Haas TM-1.  It waited on the handshake
>> signal from the machine serial port, and would then
>> fetch a single file from a network file system drive
>> (either moricode.txt or haascode.txt according to the
>> machine).  Users of the machines would copy their
>> G-code file to the network drive as moricode.txt or
>> haascode.txt, then walk over to the machine and
>> punch the button sequence to read a file over the
>> serial port.  Everything else was handled by the programs
>> on the PC (which was headless).  I'll likely set this
>> up on a BBB or RPi at some point.
>>
>> I can dig up program source for anybody that wants
>> it as a starting point.
>>
>> -- Ralph
>> 
>> From: Marius Alksnys [mar...@robotise.lt]
>> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 2:24 PM
>> To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
>> Subject: [Emc-users] A bit OT: DNC - NC file server from microcomputer?
>>
>> I have a question how to simplify file transfer from, let's say, USB
>> flash drive to a CNC machine with specifically Fanuc 18t controller.
>>
>> Now this machine has its own old laptop with old MS Win and some DNC
>> software. It takes several clicks on the PC and several non trivial
>> Fanuc panel button presses including correct sequence of them. And to my
>> surprise operators are used to this.
>>
>> As I was used to DNC, there was a PC with shared NC folder(s) on a
>> network, connected through serial port (and adapter if needed) to the
>> CNC machine(s). There was no need to come to this PC.
>>  From the machine side (with old Heidenhain controller) I had to press
>> EXT, enter file number, press Enter and that's all - I had any file I
>> wanted of any size in the machine in drip-feed mode! And this was
>> reallly old machine.
>>
>> Now I see this not so old (about 2006) Fanuc and I am surprised how
>> complicated life is for the operators..
>>
>> Do you have an idea how to use BeagleBone or similar micro device glued
>> to the side of the panel of the machine to work as a USB adapter or even
>> + LAN file server?
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Emc-users] A bit OT: DNC - NC file server from microcomputer?

2016-04-29 Thread Erik Friesen
Are you comfortable coding?

I just did something for myself that is similar to this for my haas vf2.  I
set up a windows share using samba on a headless intel nuc running debian
and a ftdi rs232 adapter.  Then a couple days later I have this web gui
that you can select the file to receive or send out of the shared folder.
I have been trying to decide where to go with it so far, whether to try to
take it commercial or open source it and sell pre ready hardware.  Its
still pretty beta thought, and only supports xmodem.  I think
embeddedarm.com has some nice hardware options.

calmotion lancnc does sort of what you want, but you have to wire their
pendant on there.  Plus, its an ftp server, not a real windows share.

The state of cnc machines and dnc is pathetic.  If you want something off
the shelf it was probably written years ago, or pay lots of money.

Some people say they have run millions of lines without error checking on
rs232, but I don't trust it.  All it takes is a glitch on a decimal point.

On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 5:45 PM, Ralph Stirling <
ralph.stirl...@wallawalla.edu> wrote:

> I wrote a small program that I ran on an old Linux
> PC to transfer files to a Mori Seiki lathe with Fanuc 0-iTC
> and to a Haas TM-1.  It waited on the handshake
> signal from the machine serial port, and would then
> fetch a single file from a network file system drive
> (either moricode.txt or haascode.txt according to the
> machine).  Users of the machines would copy their
> G-code file to the network drive as moricode.txt or
> haascode.txt, then walk over to the machine and
> punch the button sequence to read a file over the
> serial port.  Everything else was handled by the programs
> on the PC (which was headless).  I'll likely set this
> up on a BBB or RPi at some point.
>
> I can dig up program source for anybody that wants
> it as a starting point.
>
> -- Ralph
> 
> From: Marius Alksnys [mar...@robotise.lt]
> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 2:24 PM
> To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: [Emc-users] A bit OT: DNC - NC file server from microcomputer?
>
> I have a question how to simplify file transfer from, let's say, USB
> flash drive to a CNC machine with specifically Fanuc 18t controller.
>
> Now this machine has its own old laptop with old MS Win and some DNC
> software. It takes several clicks on the PC and several non trivial
> Fanuc panel button presses including correct sequence of them. And to my
> surprise operators are used to this.
>
> As I was used to DNC, there was a PC with shared NC folder(s) on a
> network, connected through serial port (and adapter if needed) to the
> CNC machine(s). There was no need to come to this PC.
>  From the machine side (with old Heidenhain controller) I had to press
> EXT, enter file number, press Enter and that's all - I had any file I
> wanted of any size in the machine in drip-feed mode! And this was
> reallly old machine.
>
> Now I see this not so old (about 2006) Fanuc and I am surprised how
> complicated life is for the operators..
>
> Do you have an idea how to use BeagleBone or similar micro device glued
> to the side of the panel of the machine to work as a USB adapter or even
> + LAN file server?
>
>
>
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Re: [Emc-users] A bit OT: DNC - NC file server from microcomputer?

2016-04-29 Thread Ralph Stirling
I wrote a small program that I ran on an old Linux
PC to transfer files to a Mori Seiki lathe with Fanuc 0-iTC
and to a Haas TM-1.  It waited on the handshake
signal from the machine serial port, and would then
fetch a single file from a network file system drive
(either moricode.txt or haascode.txt according to the
machine).  Users of the machines would copy their
G-code file to the network drive as moricode.txt or
haascode.txt, then walk over to the machine and
punch the button sequence to read a file over the
serial port.  Everything else was handled by the programs
on the PC (which was headless).  I'll likely set this
up on a BBB or RPi at some point.

I can dig up program source for anybody that wants
it as a starting point.

-- Ralph

From: Marius Alksnys [mar...@robotise.lt]
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 2:24 PM
To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: [Emc-users] A bit OT: DNC - NC file server from microcomputer?

I have a question how to simplify file transfer from, let's say, USB
flash drive to a CNC machine with specifically Fanuc 18t controller.

Now this machine has its own old laptop with old MS Win and some DNC
software. It takes several clicks on the PC and several non trivial
Fanuc panel button presses including correct sequence of them. And to my
surprise operators are used to this.

As I was used to DNC, there was a PC with shared NC folder(s) on a
network, connected through serial port (and adapter if needed) to the
CNC machine(s). There was no need to come to this PC.
 From the machine side (with old Heidenhain controller) I had to press
EXT, enter file number, press Enter and that's all - I had any file I
wanted of any size in the machine in drip-feed mode! And this was
reallly old machine.

Now I see this not so old (about 2006) Fanuc and I am surprised how
complicated life is for the operators..

Do you have an idea how to use BeagleBone or similar micro device glued
to the side of the panel of the machine to work as a USB adapter or even
+ LAN file server?


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Re: [Emc-users] A bit OT: DNC - NC file server from microcomputer?

2016-04-29 Thread Marius Alksnys
I didn't mention that operator selects one and only file to transfer on 
a PC with oNN number inside it which must not exist on the machine..

> Now this machine has its own old laptop with old MS Win and some DNC
> software. It takes several clicks on the PC and several non trivial
> Fanuc panel button presses including correct sequence of them. And to my
> surprise operators are used to this.


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