Re: [Emc-users] Pissed off of EMC2 and 7i43
Senor Acosta, I must agree with Mr. Edwards. La problema es suyo. Empezo un projecto sin tiempo y education. Ambos son muy costo. On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 10:26 AM, Richard Acosta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > El 09/11/08 18:55, noel escribió: >> Richard, >> I'm a happy and satisfied Mesanet customer. >> I use a 5i20, 7i33 and 7i37. with the 'stock' and 'proven' EMC2 >> configurations. >> I have stayed away from the 7i43 until the EMC2 driver and configurations >> are thoroughly worked out > Hi Noel, i don't doubt you're right and i think there must be some (or a > lot of) people using the same hardware that i'm. > > To everyone else: I asked for help here on this group and despite the > good will and help of the people i could'nt make it work, which has led > me to loose time, money and a very important work. > I choose EMC because of the freedom part, and 7i43 because emc2 claims > it work. I question your 'freedom' claim here. The word 'libre' is a better choice. I understand the choice. Regarding the 7i43, I have never seen any plug-n-play claims. For that matter, I have never seen any PNP claims connected to the EMC2 project. > Then i read manuals and help wich made me think it was all working, and > then i decided to choose this board. > If at any place i would have read that the board is not working > completely i could have choose another option, but i didn't find it. Agreed, the EMC2 documentation is less than complete. I have commercial control documentation that is as complete as it will ever get. The comercial control documentation is not complete. At least the developers of EMC, (all volunteers) I might add, will address any and all concerns very rapidly. The EMC developers, again I might add (they are all volunteers), will work on whatever problem you present as soon as they can understand the problem. Try that with any of the commercial control developers. After you give them your credit card number you will receive an incident number. They will call you back in a little while (a day to a week) to find out a little more. Remember now, they have your credit card number and will charge your credit card for taking the time to ask you questions and provide answers to you. This without a guarantee of a solution. Most of the time their solution is 'let me send a technician to your place' (not free). > > Those who was trying to help me asked for my config files, wich i had > make by reading plus test and error since there is no clear sample, but > i can't keep losing time on investigating, i had to make this work more > than a couple months ago, and i lost a very important work because of > this, plus time, plus money. > I think it would be so much easier if you provide those files, or at > least some clear paths to use the appropriate configs. It is not possible to provide config files for every machine possibility. You must educate yourself to provide that. You can consider the 'losing time on investigating' is the price of your education and the cost of EMC2. > > I'll give it a last try, since it seems Ted Hyde has it working, and he > has a VIA chipset plus the same card (400k) than i. > Thanks everyone for your patience, but anyway think that i have lost > this job because the lack of clear info. > Again thanks. > Los siento su perdio la oportunidad. I hope you will continue with the EMC2 project. I would recommend trading the cards with Mesa. This would get you up and running much quicker. Choosing a card under development made it certain to take more time. The time spent learning EMC2 and the related hardware is a very worthwhile investment. This is where the real 'freedom' begins. As you learn what EMC2 can do your mind will expand with possibilities. EMC2 can 'rule' the world (or at least 'control' it). Stuart > > - > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge > Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes > Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world > http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Pissed off of EMC2 and 7i43
Mr Acosta, I've had enough. Perhaps its from seeing the 'P' word time and time again in the subject line: it's sophomoric, insulting and reflects badly on the originator, you. Or perhaps it's your insistence on blaming others. There is not a manufacturer in the world with perfect documentation and there is not a manufacturer in the world that will guarantee its system will work for you, perfectly out of the box. That's your job, if I am to assume you are the responsible engineer at your company, to make the technical decisions in a timely manner to assure success. You had several months to make this work, your words, and where were the intermediate milestones that would have alerted you to a lack of progress? Be a professional (and an adult), learn from your mistakes and move on. I, for one, know that the team developing EMC2 is extremely talented and very, very supportive of this community. Glenn -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Acosta Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 8:27 AM To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Pissed off of EMC2 and 7i43 El 09/11/08 18:55, noel escribió: > Richard, > I'm a happy and satisfied Mesanet customer. > I use a 5i20, 7i33 and 7i37. with the 'stock' and 'proven' EMC2 > configurations. > I have stayed away from the 7i43 until the EMC2 driver and > configurations are thoroughly worked out Hi Noel, i don't doubt you're right and i think there must be some (or a lot of) people using the same hardware that i'm. To everyone else: I asked for help here on this group and despite the good will and help of the people i could'nt make it work, which has led me to loose time, money and a very important work. I choose EMC because of the freedom part, and 7i43 because emc2 claims it work. Then i read manuals and help wich made me think it was all working, and then i decided to choose this board. If at any place i would have read that the board is not working completely i could have choose another option, but i didn't find it. Those who was trying to help me asked for my config files, wich i had make by reading plus test and error since there is no clear sample, but i can't keep losing time on investigating, i had to make this work more than a couple months ago, and i lost a very important work because of this, plus time, plus money. I think it would be so much easier if you provide those files, or at least some clear paths to use the appropriate configs. I'll give it a last try, since it seems Ted Hyde has it working, and he has a VIA chipset plus the same card (400k) than i. Thanks everyone for your patience, but anyway think that i have lost this job because the lack of clear info. Again thanks. - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Pissed off of EMC2 and 7i43
El 09/11/08 18:55, noel escribió: > Richard, > I'm a happy and satisfied Mesanet customer. > I use a 5i20, 7i33 and 7i37. with the 'stock' and 'proven' EMC2 > configurations. > I have stayed away from the 7i43 until the EMC2 driver and configurations > are thoroughly worked out Hi Noel, i don't doubt you're right and i think there must be some (or a lot of) people using the same hardware that i'm. To everyone else: I asked for help here on this group and despite the good will and help of the people i could'nt make it work, which has led me to loose time, money and a very important work. I choose EMC because of the freedom part, and 7i43 because emc2 claims it work. Then i read manuals and help wich made me think it was all working, and then i decided to choose this board. If at any place i would have read that the board is not working completely i could have choose another option, but i didn't find it. Those who was trying to help me asked for my config files, wich i had make by reading plus test and error since there is no clear sample, but i can't keep losing time on investigating, i had to make this work more than a couple months ago, and i lost a very important work because of this, plus time, plus money. I think it would be so much easier if you provide those files, or at least some clear paths to use the appropriate configs. I'll give it a last try, since it seems Ted Hyde has it working, and he has a VIA chipset plus the same card (400k) than i. Thanks everyone for your patience, but anyway think that i have lost this job because the lack of clear info. Again thanks. - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Pissed off of EMC2 and 7i43 (Ted - long)
Richard - While I'm no 7i43 expert, I appear to be part of the small group of those who have been able to get it to work. It took a while - EMC setup is by no means on the same level as a USB Hard Drive - I'm hoping that you realize the reason you are getting so many requests for information on "what is your system like" is because there is no "cookie cutter" CNC setup out there. (Well, ok there are some that are close, but EVERYONE wants, needs or eventually does tweak their system in some fashion.) Part of the reason I like EMC over other platforms I've implemented before (including Mach, Fanuc Oi, Siemens, and a couple of asian knockoffs) is that it has no "must be plugged into this device" assumption. The downside is that there isn't an "out of the box" solution for EVERY installation. There are wonderful wizards, but let's face it, motion control is not for the faint of heart. Paper copies of the integrator manuals, the .PIN files for the 7i43 firmware you're using, the man pages for hostmot2 are all useful tools you will want to reference often. I am implementing the 7i43 as part of an "old iron" retrofit of a big-name 3kw gantry laser cutter, circa 1994. I was hoping to keep the original servo drives, but it's not going to be the case. Due to the size of one of the servo motors (11kw!) the traditional step/dir "smart positioning" drives I'm used to (that keep the intelligence in the drive, and practically look like a stepper motor to EMC) - aren't available, or at least not for the budget. Thus, I'm moving the PID servo intelligence inside EMC, and as a benefit, get to go "el cheapo" on the actual amplifier part. Very Important Note: I knew going into this that the driver support was NOT official. Or completed. Or Released. All of the openly available documentation on the EMC and Mesa websites, past mailing list posts and IRC chats made that VERY, VERY CLEAR. I could also tell that there were some very intelligent individuals available willing to help. I expected to have to spend a lot of frustrating hours getting my first link to work, but weighed the alternatives and still considered this the most appropriate (and perhaps even fun,option). So, here's a description of My Working Setup: My motherboard of preference is a Via Epia M1 Mini-ATX series. I load it up with 1 GB of ram, and typically put a CF flash drive on for the finished work, but use an old (10gb) hard drive for provisioning/testing. I haven't liked PCI cards due to the arrangement of the PCI slot on the Epia - even with a "flipper" card, it makes the card awkward. That's right, I chose the 7i43 not out of function, but because it was sexy and easily dropped off the parallel port. Admittedly, the card fit the budget and functional requirements just fine, too, but the fact it was small won me over. The bios on this MB was fully updated, to include both EPP 1.7 and EPP 1.9 modes. This is important. Really, really important. It is unlikely, given recent testing, discussion and the phase of the moon over my shop, that one would achieve success without this option. That may rule out an old PC.however, I wouldn't risk my arm, eye, or any other vital organ to an old PC that couldn't keep up with some realtime PID calcs. I ran an old copy of puppy-emc on a "reclaimed box" once but wouldn't give it to a customer. Just a recommendation. The BIOS settings were confirmed over the period of a lot of failures. It is my general belief that this Bios is actually backwards in its selection of 1.7 vs. 1.9 on this MB...but that doesn't matter - what matters is that one mode works and the other one doesn't. I chose the one that works. This is a problem likely specific to the Epia itself. I installed EMC2 from the LiveCD (current ISO), updated everything via the package manager, then pulled down the current trunk version and compiled it. This means you now have 2 copies of EMC - you must know where you extracted/built your trunk version and run everything from there - get rid of the default launchers/shortcuts on the desktop and build your own with the proper paths. You could uninstall the original version, or use the run-in-place options, but I didn't concern myself with this. As you build, the installer notes are quite clear in describing your next step. I used: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Installing_EMC2#On_Ubuntu_6_06_o r_8_04_from_source as my roadmap. Update, update, update. If you don't have the right packages installed, makes will fail. Updates solved that. Just to make sure we got this far, I also ran the(stepper_sim config) - it's in the sample configs, and makes neat stepper-like noises in the PC speaker, just to let you know life is good. I always do this. It doesn't prove much of anything except for a valid install. No need to chase additional ghosts. The 7i43 can be programmed so it retains a firmware in its onboard epprom, but since I'm still building, I haven't flashed mine yet - I sti
Re: [Emc-users] Pissed off of EMC2 and 7i43
> Yes i did, in several different times and ways, i sent errors and hal > file inline and pastebin, i just lost my history emails so i can't > brought it back, but if you or someone else could search history could > find it. http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.distributions.emc.user/10334 That is the complete thread we saw on the list, maybe you sent some other informations too but probably it went to individuals directly. Regards, Alex - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Pissed off of EMC2 and 7i43
>>What version of EMC you are using from the pastebin links you sent I'll assume 2.2.6 >>What your HAL file looks like there is a hal file you put on pastebin, but it has almost all lines commented out. > Yes i did, in several different times and ways, i sent errors and hal > file inline and pastebin, i just lost my history emails so i can't > brought it back, but if you or someone else could search history could > find it. the problem is that you probably tried a lot of things, and got the testing/results mangled. > Anyway, you can see you're wrong while reading this email you answered, > also there is at least one more email with more pastebin filesi sent. can you please send a new email with only the last thing you tried I hope you did like Seb asked you to: > Look on line 7 of the HAL file and lines 492 and 555 of the Error file. > You're loading m7i43_hm2, instead of hm2_7i43. Fix that and try > again, and pastebin the new HAL file and dmesg output. I think it would be best if you could start over, we will try to help as much as possible, but we need clear data for that (what files you are running, and the exact error messages). Regards, Alex - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Pissed off of EMC2 and 7i43
Richard, I'm a happy and satisfied Mesanet customer. I use a 5i20, 7i33 and 7i37. with the 'stock' and 'proven' EMC2 configurations. I have stayed away from the 7i43 until the EMC2 driver and configurations are thoroughly worked out. Noel Rodes 'Roguish' on IRC -Original Message- From: Richard Acosta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 12:35 PM To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Pissed off of EMC2 and 7i43 OK, thanks it sounds fair to me, will tell my partner and come back. Thanks everyone. El 07/11/08 22:48, Peter C. Wallace escribio': > On Fri, 7 Nov 2008, Jim Fleig - CNC Services wrote: > > >> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:34:08 -0500 >> From: Jim Fleig - CNC Services <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" >> >> To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" >> >> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Pissed off of EMC2 and 7i43 >> >> Hi Peter, >> >> Why not offer to exchange for an earlier board for which there is >> already an established setup? This may provide an opportunity for >> the customer to get something up and running. >> >> Jim >> >> PS (Overall I have read very positive reviews of your product.) >> > > > Sounds like a good Idea. > > To Robert Acosta: If you cannot get the 7I43 working in your > application, Mesa will replace it with a 5I20 card at no charge. (The > 5I20 has drivers and firmware that have been supported for at least a > couple of years by EMC2) > > > Peter Wallace > > Mesa Electronics > > > -- > --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's > challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & > win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event > anywhere in the world > http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1778 - Release Date: 11/9/2008 2:14 PM - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Pissed off of EMC2 and 7i43
OK, thanks it sounds fair to me, will tell my partner and come back. Thanks everyone. El 07/11/08 22:48, Peter C. Wallace escribio': > On Fri, 7 Nov 2008, Jim Fleig - CNC Services wrote: > > >> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:34:08 -0500 >> From: Jim Fleig - CNC Services <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" >> >> To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" >> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Pissed off of EMC2 and 7i43 >> >> Hi Peter, >> >> Why not offer to exchange for an earlier board for which there is already an >> established setup? This may provide an opportunity for the customer to get >> something up and running. >> >> Jim >> >> PS (Overall I have read very positive reviews of your product.) >> > > > Sounds like a good Idea. > > To Robert Acosta: If you cannot get the 7I43 working in your application, > Mesa > will replace it with a 5I20 card at no charge. (The 5I20 has drivers and > firmware that have been supported for at least a couple of years by EMC2) > > > Peter Wallace > > Mesa Electronics > > > - > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge > Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes > Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world > http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Pissed off of EMC2 and 7i43
El 07/11/08 21:12, Sebastian Kuzminsky escribió: > What is your setup, what did you try, and what happened? Be specific. > Cut-and-paste information is better than rephrasing it in your own words. > That's what i'm asking for, a working file or at least a working sample, everything i tryed even when doing wath people said to me on this list did'nt work. - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Pissed off of EMC2 and 7i43
El 07/11/08 21:20, Peter C. Wallace escribio': > Also HostMot2 driver support is very new, requiring that you update your EMC2 > installation to the latest (trunk) version. > Well, waht about i don know nothing about that, trunk, cvs, compiling and such things, have told that very clear. > What I have not seen from you is detailed information about: > >What version of EMC you are using >What your HAL file looks like >What kind of error messages you have > Peter Wallace > Mesa Electronics > Yes i did, in several different times and ways, i sent errors and hal file inline and pastebin, i just lost my history emails so i can't brought it back, but if you or someone else could search history could find it. Anyway, you can see you're wrong while reading this email you answered, also there is at least one more email with more pastebin filesi sent. El 08/10/08 14:44, Sebastian Kuzminsky escribio': Richard Acosta wrote: > Hal file http://pastebin.com/f4adbee10 > Error http://pastebin.com/f1bee2b21 > > El 05/10/2008 07:28 p.m., Sebastian Kuzminsky escribio': > >> Richard Acosta wrote: >> >> wrong driver (m7i43_hm2), but the error messages are from the correct driver (hm2_7i43). We need to know the commands that generate those error messages, and they're definately not the commands you show. >>> That was my mistake, i was using the correct line, but i paste the >>> wrong one on my message. >>> >>> >> Pastebin commands, output, & dmesg. We can't help you without very >> detailed info about exactly what you did and exactly what happened. >> Great debug output! That really helps. (Though the Error file is a bit confusing, it looks like you've pasted several runs in there, without breaks. Not the end of the world.) Look on line 7 of the HAL file and lines 492 and 555 of the Error file. You're loading m7i43_hm2, instead of hm2_7i43. Fix that and try again, and pastebin the new HAL file and dmesg output. Hm, actually the error message on that line doesnt agree with the HAL file. In the HAL file you've got the config parameter commented out. These error messages must not be from that HAL file... - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Pissed off of EMC2 and 7i43
On Fri, 7 Nov 2008, Jim Fleig - CNC Services wrote: > Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:34:08 -0500 > From: Jim Fleig - CNC Services <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > > To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Pissed off of EMC2 and 7i43 > > Hi Peter, > > Why not offer to exchange for an earlier board for which there is already an > established setup? This may provide an opportunity for the customer to get > something up and running. > > Jim > > PS (Overall I have read very positive reviews of your product.) Sounds like a good Idea. To Robert Acosta: If you cannot get the 7I43 working in your application, Mesa will replace it with a 5I20 card at no charge. (The 5I20 has drivers and firmware that have been supported for at least a couple of years by EMC2) Peter Wallace Mesa Electronics - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Pissed off of EMC2 and 7i43
Hi Peter, Why not offer to exchange for an earlier board for which there is already an established setup? This may provide an opportunity for the customer to get something up and running. Jim PS (Overall I have read very positive reviews of your product.) - Original Message - From: "Peter C. Wallace" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Pissed off of EMC2 and 7i43 > On Fri, 7 Nov 2008, Richard Acosta wrote: > >> Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 17:57:39 -0200 >> From: Richard Acosta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" >> >> To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" >> Subject: [Emc-users] Pissed off of EMC2 and 7i43 >> >> Ok, i really pissed off, i have bought something i cant use. >> I have been trying to do something with this crappy card and all i get >> is error this, error that, no clear info, no clear manuals, i have asked >> for help and i have 3 different versions of what should i do, and... >> none has worked. >> Mesa sends me to EMC2 Boards, since it looks they have not a clue on how >> to make their own board work. > > Thats more than a little unfair. We know our boards and their firmware > inside > and out. > > We (Mesa) are _not_ experts on EMC, the HostMot2 driver, or HAL setup > issues. > That is why you were referred to the EMC list, where people with more > experience in these areas can help you. > > Also HostMot2 driver support is very new, requiring that you update your > EMC2 > installation to the latest (trunk) version. The newness of the driver also > means that you have the disadvantage that there are few people with 7I43s > using Hostmot2 to compare notes with. > > The firmware in the 7I43 is new as well, and although we have tested > compatibility with many parallel ports, there may still be EPP issues here > that need to be addressed. Without exact descriptions of the problems, > error > messages, etc there is little we can do to improve comptibility. > > What I have not seen from you is detailed information about: > > What version of EMC you are using > > What your HAL file looks like > > What kind of error messages you have > > > Peter Wallace > Mesa Electronics > > - > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's > challenge > Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great > prizes > Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the > world > http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Pissed off of EMC2 and 7i43
On Fri, 7 Nov 2008, Richard Acosta wrote: > Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 17:57:39 -0200 > From: Richard Acosta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > > To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > Subject: [Emc-users] Pissed off of EMC2 and 7i43 > > Ok, i really pissed off, i have bought something i cant use. > I have been trying to do something with this crappy card and all i get > is error this, error that, no clear info, no clear manuals, i have asked > for help and i have 3 different versions of what should i do, and... > none has worked. > Mesa sends me to EMC2 Boards, since it looks they have not a clue on how > to make their own board work. Thats more than a little unfair. We know our boards and their firmware inside and out. We (Mesa) are _not_ experts on EMC, the HostMot2 driver, or HAL setup issues. That is why you were referred to the EMC list, where people with more experience in these areas can help you. Also HostMot2 driver support is very new, requiring that you update your EMC2 installation to the latest (trunk) version. The newness of the driver also means that you have the disadvantage that there are few people with 7I43s using Hostmot2 to compare notes with. The firmware in the 7I43 is new as well, and although we have tested compatibility with many parallel ports, there may still be EPP issues here that need to be addressed. Without exact descriptions of the problems, error messages, etc there is little we can do to improve comptibility. What I have not seen from you is detailed information about: What version of EMC you are using What your HAL file looks like What kind of error messages you have Peter Wallace Mesa Electronics - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Pissed off of EMC2 and 7i43
Richard Acosta wrote: > Ok, i really pissed off, i have bought something i cant use. > I have been trying to do something with this crappy card and all i get > is error this, error that, no clear info, no clear manuals, i have asked > for help and i have 3 different versions of what should i do, and... > none has worked. We'll all be happy to help, i'm sure, but we need something more to go in than "error this and error that". What is your setup, what did you try, and what happened? Be specific. Cut-and-paste information is better than rephrasing it in your own words. > So please, is there anyone who has a WORKING hal file for this board for > use with servos?, i need to make this thing work or else i'll throw it > away and start with origami. There *are* HAL config files that make servos work on the 7i43. All we have is in the tree. configs/hostmot2. But there (apparently) are no HAL files that make your machine work. You'll have to either help us help you, or do it yourself. -- Sebastian Kuzminsky - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Pissed off of EMC2 and 7i43
On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 05:57:39PM -0200, Richard Acosta wrote: > Ok, i really pissed off, This is the wrong approach when asking for people to help you. Everyone here volunteers their help. > Sorry for this, people you have been very kind If you still need more help the best thing you could do is VERY clearly describe your situation and the current problems. The best way to do this would be: 1. Make your entire configuration available online somewhere, or tar it up and attach it to your next message 2. Say what version of the software you are using and what errors you are getting. Support for this card is very new and it's possible all the bugs are not worked out yet. If you do not have the time or patience for helping with that, there are other products from several different manufacturers, including Mesa, that are very stable and are in daily use on many machines. Maybe one of those would be a better fit for you? If you want to help work out any remaining problems with the card, you ought to build TRUNK and test with that. Then you can work with Seb closely to iron things out. Here are the instructions for that. http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Installing_EMC2#Getting_the_source_with_CVS - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
