Re: [Emc-users] Versa

2014-10-26 Thread Kirk Wallace
On 10/25/2014 08:33 PM, Kirk Wallace wrote:
 On 10/25/2014 08:14 PM, Kirk Wallace wrote:
 On 10/25/2014 07:12 PM, TJoseph Powderly wrote:
 On 10/25/2014 09:05 PM, Ed wrote:
 On 10/25/2014 07:29 PM, Kirk Wallace wrote:

... snip[

 Thank you Ed and Tom. I'll post pictures and dimensions tomorrow
 morning. I recall the seal being 1 OD, .75 ID and .103 wide, but I'll
 make sure before I post the pictures.

... snip

Here is the u-seal picture and dimensions of the slot that it fits into.
http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/Shizuoka/shizuoka_arm_valve-1a.png
http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/Shizuoka/shizuoka_arm_valve-1a.svg

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Re: [Emc-users] Versa

2014-10-26 Thread Kirk Wallace
On 10/26/2014 11:04 AM, Kirk Wallace wrote:
 On 10/25/2014 08:33 PM, Kirk Wallace wrote:
 On 10/25/2014 08:14 PM, Kirk Wallace wrote:
 On 10/25/2014 07:12 PM, TJoseph Powderly wrote:
 On 10/25/2014 09:05 PM, Ed wrote:
 On 10/25/2014 07:29 PM, Kirk Wallace wrote:

 ... snip[

 Thank you Ed and Tom. I'll post pictures and dimensions tomorrow
 morning. I recall the seal being 1 OD, .75 ID and .103 wide, but I'll
 make sure before I post the pictures.

 ... snip

 Here is the u-seal picture and dimensions of the slot that it fits into.
 http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/Shizuoka/shizuoka_arm_valve-1a.png
 http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/Shizuoka/shizuoka_arm_valve-1a.svg


I replaced most of the seals and put a few decent ones back in. When I 
tested the valve, it behaved the same -- leaking a lot of exhaust air 
and not moving the arm. Further investigation indicated the cylinder 
seals are leaking badly.
http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/Shizuoka/shizuoka_arm_cylinder-1a.jpg

The left half is the air side which pushes or pulls the arm. The right 
half has hydraulic fluid and a petcock that sets the air push/pull rate 
and damps motion. Now I'm another week out of commission to order and 
wait for more seals.

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Re: [Emc-users] Versa

2014-10-25 Thread Ed
On 10/25/2014 07:29 PM, Kirk Wallace wrote:
 My Shizuoka mill has a pneumatic valve block with a Versa valve (for the
 tool arm in/out) that looks just like this one:
 http://www.ebay.com/itm/161456516453

 The seals have hardened and need to be replaced. I can find the o-rings
 and the X-rings. BTW here:
 http://www.theoringstore.com/

 But I haven't been able to find the u-ring seals that are on the ends of
 the shuttle. Like this:
 http://www.theoringstore.com/index.php?main_page=indexcPath=172_997_1011

 Has anyone worked on these and knows which part to get?

 Thank you.



When you say shuttle do you mean piston of the cylinder?

I deal a lot in seals of that type, get me:

Seal OD (bore of cyl )
Seal ID (diameter at bottom of groove)
Seal width

Ed.


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Re: [Emc-users] Versa

2014-10-25 Thread TJoseph Powderly
On 10/25/2014 09:05 PM, Ed wrote:
 On 10/25/2014 07:29 PM, Kirk Wallace wrote:
 My Shizuoka mill has a pneumatic valve block with a Versa valve (for the
 tool arm in/out) that looks just like this one:
 http://www.ebay.com/itm/161456516453

 The seals have hardened and need to be replaced. I can find the o-rings
 and the X-rings. BTW here:
 http://www.theoringstore.com/

 But I haven't been able to find the u-ring seals that are on the ends of
 the shuttle. Like this:
 http://www.theoringstore.com/index.php?main_page=indexcPath=172_997_1011

 Has anyone worked on these and knows which part to get?

 Thank you.



 When you say shuttle do you mean piston of the cylinder?

 I deal a lot in seals of that type, get me:

 Seal OD (bore of cyl )
 Seal ID (diameter at bottom of groove)
 Seal width

 Ed.


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and note any reinforcement ( some cup seals have metal bands or ring 
springs in addition to the soft bit )
oh and if you use any lube in the air (viton vs butyl vs rubber can react )
pix is always good
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Re: [Emc-users] Versa

2014-10-25 Thread Kirk Wallace
On 10/25/2014 07:12 PM, TJoseph Powderly wrote:
 On 10/25/2014 09:05 PM, Ed wrote:
 On 10/25/2014 07:29 PM, Kirk Wallace wrote:
 My Shizuoka mill has a pneumatic valve block with a Versa valve (for the
 tool arm in/out) that looks just like this one:
 http://www.ebay.com/itm/161456516453

 The seals have hardened and need to be replaced. I can find the o-rings
 and the X-rings. BTW here:
 http://www.theoringstore.com/

 But I haven't been able to find the u-ring seals that are on the ends of
 the shuttle. Like this:
 http://www.theoringstore.com/index.php?main_page=indexcPath=172_997_1011

 Has anyone worked on these and knows which part to get?

 Thank you.



 When you say shuttle do you mean piston of the cylinder?

 I deal a lot in seals of that type, get me:

 Seal OD (bore of cyl )
 Seal ID (diameter at bottom of groove)
 Seal width

 Ed.
... snip

 and note any reinforcement ( some cup seals have metal bands or ring
 springs in addition to the soft bit )
 oh and if you use any lube in the air (viton vs butyl vs rubber can react )
 pix is always good
 tomp tjtr33

Thank you Ed and Tom. I'll post pictures and dimensions tomorrow 
morning. I recall the seal being 1 OD, .75 ID and .103 wide, but I'll 
make sure before I post the pictures.

Instead of shuttle, I think I meant to call it a bobbin which actually 
may be a hydraulics term. The valve body has a .43 diameter rod which 
has a short 1 diameter piston screwed to each end. Each piston is 
driven by a solenoid. I need the two piston seals.

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Re: [Emc-users] Versa

2014-10-25 Thread Kirk Wallace
On 10/25/2014 08:14 PM, Kirk Wallace wrote:
 On 10/25/2014 07:12 PM, TJoseph Powderly wrote:
 On 10/25/2014 09:05 PM, Ed wrote:
 On 10/25/2014 07:29 PM, Kirk Wallace wrote:
 My Shizuoka mill has a pneumatic valve block with a Versa valve (for the
 tool arm in/out) that looks just like this one:
 http://www.ebay.com/itm/161456516453

 The seals have hardened and need to be replaced. I can find the o-rings
 and the X-rings. BTW here:
 http://www.theoringstore.com/

 But I haven't been able to find the u-ring seals that are on the ends of
 the shuttle. Like this:
 http://www.theoringstore.com/index.php?main_page=indexcPath=172_997_1011

 Has anyone worked on these and knows which part to get?

 Thank you.



 When you say shuttle do you mean piston of the cylinder?

 I deal a lot in seals of that type, get me:

 Seal OD (bore of cyl )
 Seal ID (diameter at bottom of groove)
 Seal width

 Ed.
 ... snip

 and note any reinforcement ( some cup seals have metal bands or ring
 springs in addition to the soft bit )
 oh and if you use any lube in the air (viton vs butyl vs rubber can react )
 pix is always good
 tomp tjtr33

 Thank you Ed and Tom. I'll post pictures and dimensions tomorrow
 morning. I recall the seal being 1 OD, .75 ID and .103 wide, but I'll
 make sure before I post the pictures.

 Instead of shuttle, I think I meant to call it a bobbin which actually
 may be a hydraulics term. The valve body has a .43 diameter rod which
 has a short 1 diameter piston screwed to each end. Each piston is
 driven by a solenoid. I need the two piston seals.


Ugh, I think I finally got the correct word... SPOOL

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