Re: [Enigmail] spontaneous change of message status
On 13/03/15 17:16, Patrick Brunschwig wrote: On 13.03.15 15:45, Philip Jackson wrote: For this spontaneous change to occur, one needs these factors to exist : 1. the 'To' field is in red type (with a red cursor) 2. the 'To' field must be completed and not left blank 3. the spontaneous change in message status occurs around five or six minutes into the creation of the email - the body can be blank or partly filled. Could it be triggered by auto-saving a draft message? Thanks Patrick - you're spot on ! After all the years of using it, I didn't even know Thunderbird did periodic backups. I've never seen a backup directory in the file system nor in the profiles. However, it was doing a backup every 5 minutes. I was rather inexact in the original description above. Only the different check box is ticked. The change in the displayed message status and the icons on the enigmail toolbar doesn't happen until I click 'ok'. What I don't understand is why sometimes I get a red cursor/ text in the 'To' field and sometimes black. I can provoke a red address field entry by making any address incomplete but my address for enigmail-users seems correct and complete. That's Thunderbird behavior - nothing Enigmail influences and nothing Enigmail could do to improve it. True. But I still don't understand why sometimes Thunderbird considers the To address broken. The emails always arrive at destination ok. And it is not consistent for any given address. But I do consider that a spontaneous change to established message conditions should not occur. Agreed The change induced by Thunderbird seems to be one way only : sign - encrypt. It doesn't reverse itself back to 'sign only' after a further backup period. But if you reset to 'sign only', after another backup period, it flips again to encrypt. I'm trying to reproduce it, but so far didn't succeed. What are your account settings and other rules when this happens? My account settings on OpenPGP Security : enable PGP support, Use specific PGP key, sign by default, PGP/MIME by default, sign non encrypted messages, sign encrypted messages, encrypt draft messages on saving. Nothing set under account settings Security. Enigmail preferences / Sending = Convenient encryption settings, Key Selection : By Per-recipient, By email addresses For this to happen when writing an email : 1. Thunderbird preferences/Composition/General : check autosave (every 5 minutes), confirm when using keyboard shortcuts, check for missing attachments 2. 'To' field in email must be red. This happens at random for any given email address but I can provoke it by breaking the address. (I assumed the red indicated that Thunderbird considered the address broken ) 3. The 'To' field must have an entry 4. The enigmail setting for that email must be 'sign only' Then just sit and wait for five minutes while checking the enigmail toolbar button from time to time. Hope this helps, Philip signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ enigmail-users mailing list enigmail-users@enigmail.net To unsubscribe or make changes to your subscription click here: https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net
Re: [Enigmail] spontaneous change of message status
On 2015-03-13 10:45, Philip Jackson wrote: On 13/03/15 08:28, Patrick Brunschwig wrote: On 12.03.15 20:38, Philip Jackson wrote: Using Thunderbird 31.5.0 with Enigmail version 1.8a1pre (20150312-0013) on linux. snip For this spontaneous change to occur, one needs these factors to exist : 1. the 'To' field is in red type (with a red cursor) 2. the 'To' field must be completed and not left blank 3. the spontaneous change in message status occurs around five or six minutes into the creation of the email - the body can be blank or partly filled. Could it be triggered by auto-saving a draft message? Thanks Patrick - you're spot on ! After all the years of using it, I didn't even know Thunderbird did periodic backups. I've never seen a backup directory in the file system nor in the profiles. However, it was doing a backup every 5 minutes. (Draft mails go in a local drafts folder that presumably is stored the same way as any other mail folder. You can also view the folder from within TB, same as any other.) Further testing shows pretty well that the automatic backup is linked with a change in the settings in the Enigmail Encryption and Settings dialog box. Prior to the backup interval, only the sign check box was ticked. After the backup interval, the encrypt box was ticked and the sign box was blank. The message becoming encrypted may be a symptom of drafts being saved encrypted. This *ought* to be decoupled from whether or not the message is ultimately *sent* encrypted, but I'd believe a bug exists here. I might also believe that signing is the same way; probably the draft is not signed (that seems rather silly, after all). Again, this *ought* to be decoupled from how the message is finally sent, but... The change induced by Thunderbird seems to be one way only : sign - encrypt. It doesn't reverse itself back to 'sign only' after a further backup period. But if you reset to 'sign only', after another backup period, it flips again to encrypt. That isn't surprising if what's happening is the settings for how the draft is saved are overwriting how you've asked the mail to be sent... -- Matthew ___ enigmail-users mailing list enigmail-users@enigmail.net To unsubscribe or make changes to your subscription click here: https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net
Re: [Enigmail] Enigmail alert disables Thunderbird menu icon
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 12.03.15 18:40, Philip Jackson wrote: I receive a signed message from a friend and it has a pink Enigmail header that the signature verification has failed. I am curious as to which key he used so I click 'Details' and the Enigmail Alert box is displayed and shows me the public key ID used to sign the message. I can't recall his key id from my head so I try to open enigmail's key manager by clicking on the Thunderbird menu icon while leaving the enigmail alert message displayed on the side for reference. The Thunderbird menu icon is disabled while the enigmail alert is displayed. I can get to the key manager by selecting Enigmail/key management from the Thunderbird menu bar which I normally don't have displayed because I use the toolbar icon instead. It looks like the Thunderbird Menu bar behaves independently of the Thunderbird menu icon on the toolbar although they provide equivalent functionality. Generally, using the toolbar icon allows to save some vertical real estate on the display so it would be nice if the enigmail alert didn't disable this icon. Alerts are always modal. A modal window block the underlying window. What you can do with a modal window and how the OS handles windows depends on the OS; as I don't know your OS, I can't say more than that. - -Patrick -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJVApEGAAoJENsRh7ndX2k7e3UQAITMcIvO/e3mgKj7ppJHSvZo f08oUTsPDyCFz9EqhIv9fFbsKygNPIbeTzq2x37ge70eBVTfooTX+dyLqOmPAKb2 bHJ1JvTKiRD3z3R7eXPwhroy5bZhdfJ6qrtqSktA8LZMo1J/vbQMjhQb0PRAhNrg /cG5g6nLWDfOEgYwUkdN3Nx2n3E7hgvaTO+/RtqA13eE7yGBK+NGVVWLmJ1uoKAI 97Pfu1yfWS8JGOC/e6FMRn8v9whTwsVASFKHAcq2uw+LWLvzlgOrajHiXO0Cr4CI cG0EDw25Vi2U2Pm9jrMod5GIjheDnK9UbAVNUt+6Nt/SzyiableizQwf1ofOcU+2 PgZ8SxjSmLWi+FK57FgPhp1DD+QgDdZtOao3UaSEMO/U+rGJUeqMarJdgY6v2vHp al7eQ7kWQSerFTpa4FPFFU9+6YzGW7ktgqdTzmXhLcwh3Xruubo4yI8nYMVuMci2 rVJu6D2PoDkjTK8WKsXb/0gHIqNG9H4a+tuMHPVdyn9Ckf8OY6lM5/tBKAx5akGJ 8yXM8Fm4AxpJuRvsyz/DTrNhpdL7arUWoHKlBIMC0QJbvE61FbW9W0ygdrsbIW2T vcSUPom7BuUzGlXxHJh5SYdLXXRbMamAVP19rSCVHYo1IuLBaCdenzruEg4gGXoh b2bh6DcOk+jz2DZBgIMT =iKlV -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ enigmail-users mailing list enigmail-users@enigmail.net To unsubscribe or make changes to your subscription click here: https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net
Re: [Enigmail] spontaneous change of message status
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 12.03.15 20:38, Philip Jackson wrote: Using Thunderbird 31.5.0 with Enigmail version 1.8a1pre (20150312-0013) on linux. Recently, I've been paying a lot of attention to the new interface in enigmail especially the enigmail toolbar when writing emails. From time to time, I've had the impression that a message which started out as 'This message will be signed' with only the 'sign message' check box checked in the Enigmail Encryption and Signing Settings box, has changed itself without my intervention to 'This message will be encrypted' with the 'Encrypt Message' box ticked instead of the 'sign message' box. I've spent a little time this evening trying to track it down. (and incidentally, it has just happened in this message). I do not understand exactly why it's happening but I've found a couple of parameters involved. For this spontaneous change to occur, one needs these factors to exist : 1. the 'To' field is in red type (with a red cursor) 2. the 'To' field must be completed and not left blank 3. the spontaneous change in message status occurs around five or six minutes into the creation of the email - the body can be blank or partly filled. Could it be triggered by auto-saving a draft message? What I don't understand is why sometimes I get a red cursor/ text in the 'To' field and sometimes black. I can provoke a red address field entry by making any address incomplete but my address for enigmail-users seems correct and complete. That's Thunderbird behavior - nothing Enigmail influences and nothing Enigmail could do to improve it. Anyway - that is what I've found. If anyone can shed any light on this 'happening', I would be pleased. But I do consider that a spontaneous change to established message conditions should not occur. Agreed - -Patrick -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJVApG4AAoJENsRh7ndX2k7Qw4QALVX9X3RsXlhl6wtNM01iWRZ Uk1GI6J4bfqNzQJhCftuMzhWXwVaTN5o6lKnqE8iYwbpwCSFLFzMRJbWrdRpr17h YdimDlzUSci+s7ybtY5DY86Y4yr+2amY0wMCJ27NK5AHsVZF9g7yLo6WpB+JZBGc T1h+fGZIuv7jchhYD5j3d+a4BGD+O5w/P1sIRZqdXfE4koBCfyoPDlOyZt7u/rx1 cTd1g0cS+On5Gh7eQbXhXLVnT54fdclcTTYrEUdTBw8T3ma8TUHCmk1MGnZJFklI n0fxB315WwhHjvI1Mg1rxk/DM5ZMAYx8Bvodn9PULF/LsX/aLf7v5wjK+Ahu2uwP CRJEThay/wctLuqf9TKivOFPlM8dG42OZa0ZVp99KsyWhH7vA38XnVeIa6ZuHCAr QuYRWuG1ST8IHFRHjUtZ4j03Tz3JvRnr+U+StNpju1bMSArxU+U6YyhgwB86C3Qh J5r0GnurBxBaqq0+mUM8stB/G5paniUadr/5hN4BYmCSNQQ+o4dst0/kIdnTOfpd rowoRfsYdubBUg52oMigI4DD0wvZRl7QH9R6GoQ+46IWs+dpayauI0csSTlT+1bF KkyfsRb2RMMxq4V7OhHcJuRy9y8BgtYZS/8Umk0Wqwdlvm5XGPhwp08c3TKX3yDC Lgs/AflJfyHiLDdv0blV =2hbv -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ enigmail-users mailing list enigmail-users@enigmail.net To unsubscribe or make changes to your subscription click here: https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net
Re: [Enigmail] spontaneous change of message status
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 13.03.15 15:45, Philip Jackson wrote: For this spontaneous change to occur, one needs these factors to exist : 1. the 'To' field is in red type (with a red cursor) 2. the 'To' field must be completed and not left blank 3. the spontaneous change in message status occurs around five or six minutes into the creation of the email - the body can be blank or partly filled. Could it be triggered by auto-saving a draft message? Thanks Patrick - you're spot on ! After all the years of using it, I didn't even know Thunderbird did periodic backups. I've never seen a backup directory in the file system nor in the profiles. However, it was doing a backup every 5 minutes. I was rather inexact in the original description above. Only the different check box is ticked. The change in the displayed message status and the icons on the enigmail toolbar doesn't happen until I click 'ok'. What I don't understand is why sometimes I get a red cursor/ text in the 'To' field and sometimes black. I can provoke a red address field entry by making any address incomplete but my address for enigmail-users seems correct and complete. That's Thunderbird behavior - nothing Enigmail influences and nothing Enigmail could do to improve it. True. But I still don't understand why sometimes Thunderbird considers the To address broken. The emails always arrive at destination ok. And it is not consistent for any given address. But I do consider that a spontaneous change to established message conditions should not occur. Agreed The change induced by Thunderbird seems to be one way only : sign - encrypt. It doesn't reverse itself back to 'sign only' after a further backup period. But if you reset to 'sign only', after another backup period, it flips again to encrypt. I'm trying to reproduce it, but so far didn't succeed. What are your account settings and other rules when this happens? - -Patrick -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJVAw1UAAoJENsRh7ndX2k7inYP/1pvBTuvWQMPl1P/H5ogy4ai 7tj2N4p3TeD7sUIZty8B4hRb4HXEjg0K0kge2sPJfRgordkSNC58QISOkm76IjTq fiPFHY6PQ+1DhGVisDmGTWqFZKWVZUOnsByzKeNEuokvJhwcN3rk1p/zgu/1R7QZ nTUqoCQrryQuNhCGtEDKwbhrvWMAd4EJUGYEbrFlBNaJSLrQ5vd9ZGOlkxc4XJin AwPIOXQXh73iZu4rh85z3abH9d9ZP6xhzT7Iv9ewo6Durc9IRX/rJ+mVXnV1YZi6 Vz4F4lh5kOtu+Qw86QGrZg22yLmgAr/g0JJeOPOnwy4928J46O/2j6umis63oXj6 LXyQnSIM67ZzHtG5KBpElHI9mbN/erBkx4GKMM/BkWUBV6zVntuOUg1jg+AtQA4U XZGlPtu/ZrADiOEHJtz2L8eKkpRrCNmVtCaEPanB9Ai/xf8We4/tad58hNNTcHLm kst+cXUZWPzsOvvm/lV9WJ0jrE3X/9jvRLFQd2T8iLIT8LUgxEw4My3DV9hc7Y23 rfZ3yTKokguUFv4gniA7j0UdIgFqonsVuqX1Z259mp1363Cw6fM0y2UcH3L2zYf2 I678f34PcJVxk6ykQ473DWMZdpSKYLFs8iOFdDdf2vAHnL3bXng48jtOhb1IiWQL 27qLl29tOZn19GELKkb9 =c90O -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ enigmail-users mailing list enigmail-users@enigmail.net To unsubscribe or make changes to your subscription click here: https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net
Re: [Enigmail] spontaneous change of message status
On 3/13/2015 3:28 AM, Patrick Brunschwig wrote: On 12.03.15 20:38, Philip Jackson wrote: Using Thunderbird 31.5.0 with Enigmail version 1.8a1pre (20150312-0013) on linux. Recently, I've been paying a lot of attention to the new interface in enigmail especially the enigmail toolbar when writing emails. From time to time, I've had the impression that a message which started out as 'This message will be signed' with only the 'sign message' check box checked in the Enigmail Encryption and Signing Settings box, has changed itself without my intervention to 'This message will be encrypted' with the 'Encrypt Message' box ticked instead of the 'sign message' box. I've spent a little time this evening trying to track it down. (and incidentally, it has just happened in this message). I do not understand exactly why it's happening but I've found a couple of parameters involved. For this spontaneous change to occur, one needs these factors to exist : 1. the 'To' field is in red type (with a red cursor) 2. the 'To' field must be completed and not left blank 3. the spontaneous change in message status occurs around five or six minutes into the creation of the email - the body can be blank or partly filled. Could it be triggered by auto-saving a draft message? What I don't understand is why sometimes I get a red cursor/ text in the 'To' field and sometimes black. I can provoke a red address field entry by making any address incomplete but my address for enigmail-users seems correct and complete. That's Thunderbird behavior - nothing Enigmail influences and nothing Enigmail could do to improve it. Anyway - that is what I've found. If anyone can shed any light on this 'happening', I would be pleased. But I do consider that a spontaneous change to established message conditions should not occur. Agreed -Patrick Excuse me. Could be this. Bug 1042561 - Addressing autocomplete widget: Typed text in red despite results/matches found if suggestions change by last input https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1042561 -- David signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ enigmail-users mailing list enigmail-users@enigmail.net To unsubscribe or make changes to your subscription click here: https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net
