[Enigmail] Thunderbird:OpenPGP:2020 - MozillaWiki

[Ian Mann]

https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird:OpenPGP:2020

Ian Mann
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Re: [Enigmail] revoked key and other questions

[Ian Mann]

What version of Thunderbird are you running?
What version of enigmail are you using?
On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 at 20:24, Doris Behrendt
 wrote:
>
> Hi list,
>
> first I want to say hello, I am a new subscriber.
>
> I have been using enigmail on a windows 7 machine with thunderbird for
> half a year now.
>
> I have two key-pairs, one of length 2048 and one of length 4096.
>
> About two weeks ago I got error messages telling me that my key (the
> longer one) had missing trust, out of nowhere, I did not change anything.
>
> Then I made updates and klicked everything to >>ultimate<< (though I
> didn't have to do that before, it just worked before).
>
> Now the larger key has status >>validity: revoked<<, but I never revoked
> that key by myself.
>
> This morning, when I opened an encrypted mail sent to me by someone, I
> got another enigmail-error-message:
>
> <\beginquote>
>
> Decrypted message
>
> Error - no matching secret key found to decrypt message
>
> Note: The message is encrypted for the following user ID's / Keys>
>
> ... (Doris Behrendt) ...,
>
> ... (the name of the sender of the mail) ...
>
> <\stopquote>
>
> Yesterday I openend this message without any error message. After
> restarting, the error message doesn't reemerge, it seems.
>
> So here are my questions:
>
> 1. Why do I have two keys? (perhaps I don't remember generating 2 keys,
> perhaps it is the default to get 2?)
>
> 2. Why is my key revoked without me actively revoking it? It seems that
> I cannot re-revoke it?
>
> 3. What mechanism is telling enigmail, which key to take, if there are
> more than one?
>
> 4. What could be the reason for the error message telling me >>no
> matching secret key found<
>
> Thanks in advance, I must admit, I am a little bit confused ... I'm
> going to do another restart, perhaps the reason is only some windows
> updates?
>
> Doris
>
>
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Re: [Enigmail] The Dear Leader speaks!

[Ian Mann]

​You guys do amazing work. So glad you exist and work so hard at
maintaining Enigmail.

Thank you


On Sat, 19 May 2018 at 03:12, Robert J. Hansen  wrote:

> Patrick, the Dear Leader of Enigmail,[1] has an interview with Heise.de.
>  (I apologize if this is a repeat, but looking in my email spool I don't
> think this has been posted here before.)
>
>
> https://www.heise.de/security/meldung/Enigmail-Chefentwickler-im-Interview-Efail-Veroeffentlichung-war-unueberlegt-4049783.html
>
>
> [1] Guido van Rossum is the Benevolent Dictator for Life of Python.
> Enigmail can have a Dear Leader, can't we?  :)
>
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Re: [Enigmail] Fwd: Fwd: [Private Internet Access] Re: pia and thunderbird

[Ian Mann]

​Try having/selecting the PIA server in your own country​


On Thu, 17 May 2018 at 21:28, christophe salomon via enigmail-users <
enigmail-users@enigmail.net> wrote:

>
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: christophe salomon 
> To: enigmail-users@enigmail.net
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Thu, 17 May 2018 13:27:34 +0200
> Subject: Fwd: Fwd: [Private Internet Access] Re: pia and thunderbird
>
>
> sending it again i am a member now
>
>  Message transféré 
> Sujet : Fwd: [Private Internet Access] Re: pia and thunderbird
> Date : Thu, 17 May 2018 13:23:39 +0200
> De : christophe salomon  
> Pour : enigmail-users@enigmail.net
>
> Dear support and users,
>
> As you will see below , Pia is not letting send encrypted enigmail.
>
> Does anyone have a solution to use enigmail with vpn pia.
>
> Regards
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  Message transféré 
> Sujet : [Private Internet Access] Re: pia and thunderbird
> Date : Wed, 16 May 2018 07:20:21 +
> De : Jason V. (Private Internet Access)
> 
> 
> Répondre à : Private Internet Access
> 
> 
> Pour : Csalomon26  
>
> ##- Please type your reply above this line -##
>
> Your request (654860) has been updated. To add additional comments, reply
> to this email.
>
> *Jason V.* (Private Internet Access)
>
> May 16, 01:20 MDT
> Hello Salomon,
>
> Any VPN provider that does not retain logs must block outgoing SMTP
> traffic due to rampant spam associated with usage of VPN services. This is
> necessary for the security and privacy of our customers, and we apologize
> for any inconvenience this may cause.
>
> With that said, we can whitelist (allow) any outgoing email server that a)
> require authentication, and b) is correctly setup so as not to be an open
> relay.
>
> Unfortunately at this time we have temporarily suspended whitelisting SMTP
> servers.
>
> This is due to extreme excessive abuse and as a result we are currently
> making some technical and policy changes to prevent it from occurring again.
>
> We will make an announcement regarding our new policy and procedure in the
> near future.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jason V.
> Customer Support Agent
> Private Internet Access™
>
> Private Internet Access: We've Got Your Back
> Links: Security Best Practices
> 
> | Private Internet Access: FOSS Repositories 
>
> *Csalomon26*
>
> May 15, 12:54 MDT
>
> Hi i cant send emails from thunderbird when i use pia
>
> i get messages "L’envoi du message a échoué.
> Le message n’a pas pu être envoyé en utilisant le serveur sortant (SMTP) «
> smtp-mail.outlook.com » pour une raison inconnue. Veuillez vérifier que
> les paramètres de votre serveur sortant (SMTP) sont corrects et essayez à
> nouveau." which means in french outgoing smtp server could not be used to
> send the email , it asks me to check the parameters of my outgoing smtp
> server and then try again
> i have tried and tried the pia settings but they seem tobe refused by
> thunderbird, can you help me
> This email is a service from Private Internet Access. Delivered by Zendesk
> 
> [5L3MW7-Y302]
>
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: christophe salomon via enigmail-users 
> To: enigmail-users@enigmail.net
> Cc: christophe salomon 
> Bcc:
> Date: Thu, 17 May 2018 13:27:34 +0200
> Subject: [Enigmail] Fwd: Fwd: [Private Internet Access] Re: pia and
> thunderbird
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Re: [Enigmail] [ANN] Enigmail v1.9.9 available

[Ian Mann]

Many thanks Patrick & Seasons Greetings to you – Ian Mann (Australia)



Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10




From: enigmail-users  on behalf of Patrick 
Brunschwig 
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 6:45:29 PM
To: Enigmail user discussion list
Subject: [Enigmail] [ANN] Enigmail v1.9.9 available

I'm happy to announce the availability of Enigmail v1.9.9 for
Thunderbird version 52.x and SeaMonkey 2.46.

This version addresses a number of security vulnerabilities discovered
by Cure53 during an audit of Thunderbird with Enigmail. The audit report
covers both Thunderbird and Enigmail. As some vulnerabilities are still
unfixed on the side of Thunderbird, we currently only publish an excerpt
of the report with the issues found in Enigmail [1].

Enigmail is one of the most widely used tool for OpenPGP email
encryption. Yet it took 16(!) years of development until the first
security audit was performed. It was more than overdue, and I would like
to thank Posteo (www.posteo.de<http://www.posteo.de>) for taking the initiative 
and
co-financing an audit report together with the Mozilla Foundation. Not
very surprising for such an old project, the audit report revealed a
number of important issues that were addressed now.


Changes
===

See the Pentest Report for Enigmail by Cure53 [1].
In addition, Bug 709 was fixed [2].


Obtaining Enigmail
==
Enigmail can be downloaded from
<https://www.enigmail.net/index.php/en/download/>

The changelog is available from
<https://www.enigmail.net/index.php/en/download/changelog>


Additional Remarks
==
Beta versions of Thunderbird require a nightly build of Enigmail,
i.e. Enigmail v1.9.x will not work with Thunderbird 56b1 and newer.

-Patrick



[1]
<https://enigmail.net/download/other/Enigmail%20Pentest%20Report%20by%20Cure53%20-%20Excerpt.pdf>
[2] <https://sourceforge.net/p/enigmail/bugs/709/>

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Re: [Enigmail] [ANN] Enigmail v1.9.7 available

[Ian Mann]

Many thanks - Ian Mann

On 14 May 2017 at 02:50, Patrick Brunschwig  wrote:

> I'm happy to announce the availability of Enigmail v1.9.7 for
> Thunderbird versions 45 and 52, and SeaMonkey 2.35 and newer.
>
>
> Changes
> ===
> This version fixes a compatibility bug with Thunderbird 52 that renders
> keyserver up-/downloads unusable.
>
>
>
> Obtaining Enigmail
> ==
> Enigmail can be downloaded from
> <https://www.enigmail.net/index.php/en/download/
> <https://mailtrack.io/trace/link/a93529d113669f7404a5f14f9d4a0d90babe6b3d?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.enigmail.net%2Findex.php%2Fen%2Fdownload%2F&userId=1341325&signature=8dcb43b1b88a5fd1>
> >
>
> The changelog is available from
> <https://www.enigmail.net/index.php/en/download/changelog
> <https://mailtrack.io/trace/link/b0fbfac5388e47a6051989ce5ea643767dc877ac?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.enigmail.net%2Findex.php%2Fen%2Fdownload%2Fchangelog&userId=1341325&signature=8b884d81975bd4a1>
> >
>
>
> Additional Remarks
> ==
> The new version is still waiting for approval on
> https://addons.mozilla.org
> <https://mailtrack.io/trace/link/c95151a0c99dd996ee591e6e1621396259ed0382?url=https%3A%2F%2Faddons.mozilla.org&userId=1341325&signature=f7beaf5017ef4982>;
> you should receive it automatically via the
> addons-update once the approval is done.
>
> -Patrick
>
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Re: [Enigmail] Thunderbird and Enigmail on multiple computers?

[Ian Mann]

Yes, perhaps I did do that manually. I also had uploaded my Public Keys to
the server.

On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Robert J. Hansen 
wrote:

> > I have Thunderbird with enigmail on three machines and I just saved the
> > private/Public keys onto a USB and installed them on the two other
> > machines and set the same settings for use. Never worried about
> > config/agent etc, and all works just fine.
>
> You didn't copy your trustdb file, which means GnuPG had no way of
> knowing your private certificate should have implicit trust attached to
> it, which means all your trust calculations were (maybe still are) off.
>
> Now, maybe you edited the certificate later and manually set the trust
> level.  But it isn't true that you can just import a private cert into a
> new environment and have things work correctly.
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Re: [Enigmail] Thunderbird and Enigmail on multiple computers?

[Ian Mann]

I have Thunderbird with enigmail on three machines and I just saved the
private/Public keys onto a USB and installed them on the two other machines
and set the same settings for use. Never worried about config/agent etc,
and all works just fine.

On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 6:11 PM, Robert J. Hansen 
wrote:

> > indeed you can; available optione on [gpg2]:
> >
> > --export-secret-keys [ names ], --export-secret-subkeys [ names ]
>
> This is insufficient.  He needs to migrate his entire GnuPG profile,
> including his gpg.conf and gpg-agent.conf files.
>
> Migrating just the private certificates is insufficient.
>
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Re: [Enigmail] Adele the friendly robot

[Ian Mann]

On 3/08/2016 05:59, Richard Croy wrote:
> Thank you Ian,
> 
> Yes, it works perfectly. I can send the message encrypted, and decrypt
> the message without issue.

I have in my mind that another user raised a similar complaint about Adele a 
few weeks back. I cannot recall how it was resolved Richard, some one who 
remembers will chime in hopefully. At least you know the enigmail is 
functioning.

Ian

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Re: [Enigmail] Adele the friendly robot

[Ian Mann]

On 2/08/2016 20:53, Richard Croy wrote:
> Is it just me, or is Adele the friendly robot (adele...@gnupp.de) not
> replying to emails?
> I have sent a few emails in the past 24 hours, but have not received one
> reply.
> 
> Regards,
> Richard

If you send encrypted to yourself does it work?

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Re: [Enigmail] Got a question

[Ian Mann]

On 24/07/16 19:41, Ludwig Hügelschäfer wrote:
>> On 24.07.16 10:49, Ian Mann wrote:
>>> >> On 24/07/2016 18:43, Ludwig Hügelschäfer wrote:
>>>> >>> You can do this manually instead. Fetch
>>>> >>> https://files.gpg4win.org/gpg4win-vanilla-2.3.2.exe and start it.
>>> >> 
>>> >> How do you find out which gpg4win you have currently installed?
>> >
>> > Found the answer
> Would you please share it? Thanks!

Windows
Looked under control panel, programs, uninstall and the list displayed the 
version

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Re: [Enigmail] Got a question

[Ian Mann]

On 24/07/2016 19:41, Ludwig Hügelschäfer wrote:
>>> How do you find out which gpg4win you have currently installed?
>> >
>> > Found the answer
> Would you please share it? Thanks!

Looked under control panel, programs, uninstall and the list displayed the 
version

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Re: [Enigmail] Got a question

[Ian Mann]

On 24/07/2016 18:43, Ludwig Hügelschäfer wrote:
> You can do this manually instead. Fetch
> https://files.gpg4win.org/gpg4win-vanilla-2.3.2.exe and start it.

Found the answer

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Re: [Enigmail] Got a question

[Ian Mann]

On 24/07/2016 18:43, Ludwig Hügelschäfer wrote:
> You can do this manually instead. Fetch
> https://files.gpg4win.org/gpg4win-vanilla-2.3.2.exe and start it.

How do you find out which gpg4win you have currently installed?

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Re: [Enigmail] [ANN] Enigmail v1.9.3 available

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On 04/06/16 01:09, Patrick Brunschwig wrote:
> I'm happy to announce the availability of Enigmail v1.9.3 for
> Thunderbird versions 38, 45 and newer, and SeaMonkey 2.35 and newer.

Thanks for all the work you do - Ian

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Re: [Enigmail] Enigmail remembers old GPG password

[Ian Mann]

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On 9/05/2016 8:20 PM, Duncan Guthrie wrote:
> I hope this helps anyone with a similar problem!

Thanks for posting the solution

Ian
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Re: [Enigmail] NOT DOWNLOADING GnuPG

[Ian Mann]

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On 8/05/2016 6:56 PM, Sebastian wrote:
> Hi Todd,
> 
> Please explain in more detail, what does not work. Are you talking about
> the installation of the Enigmail extension?

Todd seems to have vanished Sebastian, it was a cryptic issue he described. Not 
much to go on.

Ian
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Re: [Enigmail] Asking for password many times?

[Ian Mann]

On 2/05/2016 7:01 AM, Olav Seyfarth wrote:
> I have set Enigmail to remember the password for the maximum time but, if I 
> send an e-mail it asks for it and then if I go to the "sent" folder and click 
> in the encrypted e-mail I sent, it asks again. Couldn't Enigmail be improved 
> to avoid that? Just asking one time in the period selected.

Try just ticking "encrypt" rather than checking both "sign" and "encrypt", the 
request for the pass phrase on "send" is usually to sign the "signature", which 
if you receive a singed email it will state signed at a certain time on a 
certain date. That is my understanding.

After sending the initial email in a series of chats back and forth it seems 
pointless to sign each piece of correspondence.


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Re: [Enigmail] [ANN] Enigmail v1.9.2 available

[Ian Mann]

On 26/04/2016 1:13 AM, Patrick Brunschwig wrote:
> I'm happy to announce the availability of Enigmail v1.9.2 for
> Thunderbird 38 and newer, and SeaMonkey 2.35 and newer.

Many Thanks - Ian



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Re: [Enigmail] Is Adele down?

[Ian Mann]

On 6/04/2016 11:57 AM, B00ze/Empire wrote:
> believe it or not, Hotmail blocks Adele's emails completely,

That is strange - glad it is resolved

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Re: [Enigmail] Is Adele down?

[Ian Mann]

On 1/04/2016 12:28 PM, B00ze/Empire wrote:
>
> I realize this isn't Adele's support list,

did you attach your public key so she can reply to you?

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Re: [Enigmail] Decrypt button not visible in Japanese

[Ian Mann]

On 11/03/2016 6:13 PM, anatak wrote:
> enigmail works, he can receive,send, encrypt and decrypt mails so I am
> going to stop trying to get this solved.
> thank again for trying to help me.
Check out the second video clip I sent, NOTE WELL hit the restart displayed, do 
not hit the X, wait the 40 or so seconds for it to install correctly, otherwise 
enigmail will be corrupted.

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Re: [Enigmail] Decrypt button not visible in Japanese

[Ian Mann]

On 11/03/2016 5:44 PM, anatak wrote:
> yes it was on the lower toolbar when I first dragged it.

well, that is the correct place...

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Re: [Enigmail] Decrypt button not visible in Japanese

[Ian Mann]

On 11/03/2016 5:43 PM, anatak wrote:
> Yes I have decrypt on my other machines. but they are both linux mint
> computers.
I run Ubuntu as well with Thunderbird and two W10 with Thuderbird, all seem 
fine, but I am using english. Don't see how wording could cause a problem, 
Thunderbird must be the same software wise.

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Re: [Enigmail] Decrypt button not visible in Japanese

[Ian Mann]

On 11/03/2016 5:32 PM, anatak wrote:
> I hope you understand the problem
Is it on the 'lower toolbar' like your english version PC and laptop?

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Re: [Enigmail] Decrypt button not visible in Japanese

[Ian Mann]

On 11/03/2016 5:32 PM, anatak wrote:
> I hope you understand the problem

I think I do...

So do you have 'decrypt' on the other two machines just fine?

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Re: [Enigmail] Decrypt button not visible in Japanese

[Ian Mann]

On 11/03/2016 5:20 PM, anatak wrote:
> but still no decrypt button in the toolbar customization menu

right click on menu, select customise and drag the 'decrypt' to the menu bar.

It will only work when you have an encrypted message to decrypt



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Re: [Enigmail] Decrypt button not visible in Japanese

[Ian Mann]

On 11/03/2016 5:13 PM, anatak wrote:
> how can I manually update enigmail ?
1. Download new version of enigmail

2. Three bars on top right of Thunderbird click left
3. select 'add ons' click left
4. cog at top, pull down menu, install from file select
5. Browse to file and click

note it will say restart, click that 'restart' word.

Be patient it may take 40 seconds before it restarts then by itself



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Re: [Enigmail] Decrypt button not visible in Japanese

[Ian Mann]

On 11/03/2016 3:09 PM, anatak wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Thunderbird 38.6.0
> Enigmail 1.8.2 (20150416-1748)
>
> How can I update enigmail ?
https://www.enigmail.net/index.php/en/

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[Enigmail] Olease help

[Ian Mann]

I wish to change from receiving the 'digest' to receiving each email, I cannot 
recall or find my password to make the change.

-- 


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Re: [Enigmail] [Off-topic] France

[Ian Mann]

On 14/11/2015 9:58 AM, Robert J. Hansen wrote:
> To all our users in France, please know that we're with you.  There are
> no words for such a thing as has happened today in Paris

Watching it live in Australia. Terrible. This is an attack on all the free world

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Re: [Enigmail] Facebook and OpenPGP

[Ian Mann]

On 25/09/2015 1:05 AM, Robert J. Hansen wrote:
> I know nothing more about this than what's in the page.  Figured some
> people here might find it interesting, though

Yes, I use that encrypted message service.

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Re: [Enigmail] No more "Untrusted Good Signature"s

[Ian Mann]

On 24/09/2015 6:54 AM, Patrick Brunschwig wrote:
> I'm fine with this approach. I'd suggest that once the deadline is
> over, you create a bug that describes to conclusions.

As a non technically minded user I would like a conclusion and summary so I can 
understand where this is heading, once this discussion is finalised. 

Ian

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Re: [Enigmail] Key Management Owner Trust

[Ian Mann]

As an elderly user of Enigmail the biggest issue has been finding folks to use 
it with.

I did not find it difficult to install or to set up using the wizard. Some new 
terms and notions threw me for a bit, key trust and key signing was one area 
that I did not realise the implications of. I have most things set to manual, 
as I wasn't happy with the automated features.

I am always amazed by the wonderful work the developers here perform. A lot of 
thought and effort goes into each revision. I tend to use the nightly builds to 
stay abreast of developments and features.

Like most men, reading the user manual was a last resort, more reference book 
really. Had I have actually read the User Manual I might have avoided earlier 
mistakes. That said, Enigmail is pretty intuitive. I love the new icons and 
layout, especially in the 'write' window. This has been a huge step forward.

A few short "How To' videos on the Enigmail web site might be an adjunct to the 
User Handbook. However, the User at some point must take responsibility for 
informing themselves on the best use of the application.

I have also learnt a great deal from joining the forum. There are useful tips 
that surface from time to time in the forum comments and remarks.

Thanks for all the hard work you folks do to bring this application to us.

Ian

 






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Re: [Enigmail] Key Management Owner Trust

[Ian Mann]

On 19/09/2015 6:57 AM, Robert J. Hansen wrote:
>> After thinking about this for a time, I'd rather suggest to
>> > completely remove the feature "Display untrusted keys".
> After thinking about this and the poor-language issue in general, I've
> come to the following conclusions:

I am a new user, had Enigmail for about 12 months. I like the current system 
that is in place. It did take time to understand what it meant when those 
things were displayed.




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[Enigmail] Enigmail V1.9

[Ian Mann]

http://sourceforge.net/p/enigmail/wiki/Planning%20for%20version%201.9/


How do we turn on support for encrypted subject and other headers in the 
nightly build of V1.9

support encrypted subject and other headers [[Done]]

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Re: [Enigmail] Weird behaviour using "Import Key" button

[Ian Mann]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA512

How do we turn on support for encrypted subject and other headers in the 
nightly build of V1.9

support encrypted subject and other headers [[Done]]
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Re: [Enigmail] Weird behaviour using "Import Key" button

[Ian Mann]

How do we turn on support for encrypted subject and other headers in the 
nightly build of V1.9

support encrypted subject and other headers [[Done]]

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Re: [Enigmail] Unexpected order of questions

[Ian Mann]

On 12/06/15 01:09, Lachezar Dobrev wrote:
>   Hello all,
>   Xubuntu 15.04 @ x86-64
>   Thunderbird 31.7.0
>   Enigmail 1.8.2 (from Mozilla Extensions, not OS package)
> 
>   When writing a message I can see, that the encrypt and sign buttons
> are toggled on based on my rules. Nice!
>   When I (try to) send the message (using CTRL+ENTER mostly) I am
> asked for the password for my key (from the pinentry I suppose), and
> *THEN* I am asked if I want to send an encrypted and signed mail.
>   This looks like a bit inverse. I believe it should ask me for the
> password AFTER I have instructed it to do so (by choosing Yes).
> 
>   Confirm before sending = Always

I think you are asked for your 'pass phrase' because you have 'sign' ticked. 
This is in the PIN ENTRY pop up. It sets the date and time the 'sign' took 
place and by whom. This is my understanding. I have everything set to manual 
and do not use the rules method.

Ian 



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Re: [Enigmail] enigmail blocks sending mails

[Ian Mann]

On 06/06/15 01:27, François Patte wrote:
> Le 05/06/2015 13:19, Ian Mann a écrit :
>> > Bonjour,
>> > 
>> > I have an issue with enigmail: if I want to send a signed mail, it
>> > is impossible, thunderbird does nothing and the window of the mail
>> > stay opened. If I untick the box "sign the message", I can send the
>> > mail
>> > 
>> > Strange: the only signed messages I can send, are messages to my
>> > own mail address! They are crypted, but when I receive them,
>> > enigmail cannot decrypt them.
>> > 
>> > thunderbird 31.7.0
>> > 
>> > enigmail 1.8.2
>> > 
>> > Thank you for any help.
>> > 
>> > You don't mention entering your 'pass phrase' in the Pin Entry pop
>> > up.
>> > 
>> > When a person signs an email you get the Pin Entry pop up when you
> press 'send' and you have to enter your pass phrase. The same with
> decryption, you get the Pin entry pop up when you hit 'decrypt'.
> 
> 
> Thank you for answering.
> 
> I said that thunderbird does nothing: even asking for the passphrase!
> Asolutely nothing!

Have you just installed Thunderbird/enigmail at this is your first experience 
or are you saying you have used it for a while and now it is performing badly?

If you have just installed it I presume you have set, "use a specific Open PGP 
Key"

Ian

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Re: [Enigmail] Facebook and OpenPGP

[Ian Mann]

On 02/06/15 22:29, Jean-David Beyer wrote:
> I tried that one, and it did not work. The one I got that worked was the
> one that started like this:

Well at least it is all fine now, you said. Thank Goodness for that mate.

I am in Goulburn NSW Australia, I see you are in New Jersey. I have been there, 
Morris Town and East Hanover and Hacketts Town, back in 1985.

Ian



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Re: [Enigmail] Facebook and OpenPGP

[Ian Mann]

On 02/06/15 22:08, Jean-David Beyer wrote:
> Now back to why it will not remember that I have entered my passphrase...

There is a time limit, which you can change

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Re: [Enigmail] Facebook and OpenPGP

[Ian Mann]

attached is an uncorrupted version of your Public Key, I got it from the Ubuntu 
Key server, other servers seem to now have a corrupted version of this key

The text below is your public key, you need to copy this and paste it into the 
location Facebook provides, from the first --at thop left to the last -- bottom 
right

This is what FB is expecting to be given


-BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-
Version: SKS 1.1.5
Comment: Hostname: keyserver.ubuntu.com
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aJKhIRb866hZ3p1hW90mS5Ei8UDBh7LcSqiMW6ZrdWlQP+AXWYgZEihLyjANZMkVcYFebg0M
8hl8jyYgwGv1ui05C1thyjPHcHJl+VC2pX3vMoo5v1Cn9tWCD9oj3QOMq9fveowLOmVs+LAB
ltvqS9xqTo8hlRG1uqMgHrI4oZwYPIi+bOb6wnu6a8KurJO0LWKbLGnlh8WrIWcKK2GvPcP+
ptAb5c9v4ZFnv7WcvvIK+ie5AQ0EULoGRQEIAKY26TXeS4y1cIovNO7ztv2q13AjbDN5bX+r
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phtpEBI2LUC0emTbn/JM0CoyOf7yCg/wSnRsfaOYHB4RSHzOLhgVWTpSPyVYDd34A+dT0nON
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wgl2r4FMxCO+OQw=
=YRc+
-END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-


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Re: [Enigmail] Facebook and OpenPGP

[Ian Mann]

On 02/06/15 21:46, Jean-David Beyer wrote:
> If I look at their example, they show what appears to be the entire
> fingerprint. I tried that too.

Forget the fingerprint


This is what they say to do

1. Grab a full copy of you Public Key, you can get that from a keyserver you 
uploaded your key to, the one that matches the email you ask Facebook to 
contact you on.
2. Paste it into the location they provide
3. check encryption activate
4. Save and close

Ian



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[Enigmail] This is your public key add this to the box, all of it.

[Ian Mann]

-BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-
Version: SKS 1.1.5
Comment: Hostname: keyserver.ubuntu.com

mQENBFC6BkUBCADjWI4CqM1+YopY3HwBmh7kRa0mpYYMaHgWRU+EptjEWm3h8Ol3hH2f90Uu
hDk2Q4vo7DqKlHUhXZbB5srJkrBfWjrvgDm3kRQCs6zh3X4L1Fiun7FkpHZYyi7q08sKfD+M
4Wlh1c/N8LEI+MUy8BRpwm5hYIUuJBEfVGrRPfkfP2x1BpYANbbr1S6iO9bsSjavQZQuYAVI
sPwY+FlTW/WiV+OmsaFGlmvogf54oxefw/mMcmga2cb5LAuCTOU1ZDd5CqTS4dQj6fVZMq66
iSLHZU5GPANdNQI0VQknEqtDygHWwEIoksOvZr5BBwtcYopi23gvycFn4zBJfcqveBL7ABEB
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Re: [Enigmail] Facebook and OpenPGP

[Ian Mann]

On 02/06/15 12:10, Jean-David Beyer wrote:
> Do you mean I should use
> 
> 166D840A 0C610C8B

Are you telling me you are trying to stuff two keys in the space provided? Just 
select one key and add one.

Ian

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Re: [Enigmail] Facebook and OpenPGP

[Ian Mann]

On 02/06/15 13:07, Jean-David Beyer wrote:
> the tricks you
> suggested seem to make no difference.

No tricks Jean,
Just grab (copy) the key correctly and place it in the space provided and it 
all works fine for me after checking the encryption box and saving. Pretty 
straight forward. I get encrypted email from Facebook now.

You key I grabbed from the server and sent an email direct to you, that seemed 
to work. So your public key seems fine.





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Re: [Enigmail] Facebook and OpenPGP

[Ian Mann]

On 02/06/15 13:07, Jean-David Beyer wrote:
> Sure. I have always done this, but it does not care until I fill in my
> public key the way they want, and their example, and the tricks you
> suggested seem to make no difference.

I can only think you are not copying your key fully, I will test your key by 
sending you and email direct, but I think your key is probably fine.

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Re: [Enigmail] Facebook and OpenPGP

[Ian Mann]

On 02/06/15 13:06, Jean-David Beyer wrote:
> On 06/01/2015 10:14 PM, Ian Mann wrote:
>> > On 02/06/15 12:10, Jean-David Beyer wrote:
>>> >> Do you mean I should use
>> > 
>> > Try deleting what you have there, then go to the key server like MIT
>> > and copy your Public key and paste that in the area, all worked fine
>> > for me David.
>> > 
>> > Ian
>> > 
> OK, I did this:
> 
> $ gpg --send-keys 0x0C610C8B
> gpg: sending key 0C610C8B to hkp server pool.sks-keyservers.net
> 
> which probably did not make much difference. I mean it did not fail.
> 
> I then tried this in the box:
> 
> ECE1 52C4 50CA AF73 59A3  CE13 166D 840A 0C61 0C8B
> 
> and got this again.
> Invalid PGP Public Key
> You have entered data that does not look like a properly formatted PGP
> public key. Please check that the value you entered is a valid PGP key
> and does not contain any missing or corrupted data, and that if headers
> are present they are separated from the body by a blank line.
> 
> I then tried it this way
> 
> ECE1 52C4 50CA AF73 59A3
> CE13 166D 840A 0C61 0C8B
> 
> and it failed the same way.
> 
> 0C610C8B
> and
> 0x0C610C8B
> do not work either.

Are you sure you copied your key fully?

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Re: [Enigmail] Facebook and OpenPGP

[Ian Mann]

On 02/06/15 12:14, Ian Mann wrote:
> On 02/06/15 12:10, Jean-David Beyer wrote:
>> > Do you mean I should use
> Try deleting what you have there, then go to the key server like MIT and copy 
> your Public key and paste that in the area, all worked fine for me David.

Jean,

I have them sending me encrypted emails now. They do email an encrypted email 
once you have set up the process, and they ask you to click the link to confirm 
you want that service.

All working fine for me.

Ian

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Re: [Enigmail] Facebook and OpenPGP

[Ian Mann]

On 02/06/15 12:10, Jean-David Beyer wrote:
> Do you mean I should use
> 
> 166D840A 0C610C8B

You also have to tick the check box, Use encrypted
then save.

In order to activate the process.

Ian

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Re: [Enigmail] Facebook and OpenPGP

[Ian Mann]

On 02/06/15 12:10, Jean-David Beyer wrote:
> Do you mean I should use

Try deleting what you have there, then go to the key server like MIT and copy 
your Public key and paste that in the area, all worked fine for me David.

Ian

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Re: [Enigmail] Facebook and OpenPGP

[Ian Mann]

On 02/06/15 12:00, Jean-David Beyer wrote:
> I then took the armored version of my public key -- the whole thing --
> and it did not like that either.
> 
> Any idea what they are checking that I am failing on?

It worked for me dropping my emails public key in the box.

Ian

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Re: [Enigmail] Facebook and OpenPGP

[Ian Mann]

On 02/06/15 00:30, Robert J. Hansen wrote:
> Facebook has just this morning announced limited support for OpenPGP.
> At present, it's limited to allowing users to upload an OpenPGP
> certificate, and Facebook using that certificate to encrypt all email
> communications between Facebook and the user.
> 
> It's a small step forwards, but an exceptionally welcome one.
> 
> Also, thanks to the individual in Facebook's security team[*] who tipped
> me off to this minutes after the release was official.  I had no advance
> notice of it, but the very instant it got rolled out FB made contact --
> with the expectation, I think, that I would spread the word, although no
> one asked me to do anything.
> 
> Thanks, Facebook.  We really appreciate not just the new feature, but
> your reaching out to make sure the people who would most love this new
> feature know about it.  :)
> 
> 
> 
> [*] This individual has requested his affiliation with Facebook not be
> published, lest he start getting 50,000 emails a day from people asking
> him to reset their passwords.  If you know or have figured out who he
> is, please honor his request.  They've done us a favor: the least we can
> do is return it.

added my P{ublic Key, thanks for the alert - Ian


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Re: [Enigmail] thunderbird - Which is the correct GnuPG executable to use to configure Enigmail? - Ask Ubuntu

[Ian Mann]

On 15/04/15 23:33, Patrick Brunschwig wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA256
> 
> On 15.04.15 15:19, Ian Mann wrote:
>> > Under OpenPGP -> Preferences, check "Override with" and put in the
>> > following in the link next to it:
>> > 
>> > /usr/bin/gpg2
> This is actually NOT required. It's fully sufficient to install
> gnupg2. If both gpg2 and gpg are available, Enigmail will
> _automatically_ prefer gpg2.

I wasn't aware of that, thanks Patrick

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Re: [Enigmail] thunderbird - Which is the correct GnuPG executable to use to configure Enigmail? - Ask Ubuntu

[Ian Mann]

Under OpenPGP -> Preferences, check "Override with" and put in the following in 
the link next to it:

/usr/bin/gpg2

If it gives you a further error message, install gnupg2

sudo apt-get install gnupg2

Note, do NOT uninstall gnupg. This is still used by many other parts of the 
operating system, including aptitude itself.

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[Enigmail] thunderbird - Which is the correct GnuPG executable to use to configure Enigmail? - Ask Ubuntu

[Ian Mann]

http://askubuntu.com/questions/55236/which-is-the-correct-gnupg-executable-to-use-to-configure-enigmail

This may help some Ubuntu users move to gpg2 required for enigmail greater than 
1.8. I tried it and it worked ok for me, I use 14.04LTS

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Re: [Enigmail] Anyone else having problems refreshing keys with 1.8.1 on Linux?

[Ian Mann]

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Hash: SHA512

126 keys 

On 14/04/15 12:32, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote:
>  * how many keys are in your keyring (roughly)?
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Re: [Enigmail] Anyone else having problems refreshing keys with 1.8.1 on Linux?

[Ian Mann]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA512

gpg2 version 2.0.22

On 14/04/15 12:32, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote:
> gpg 2.1.x appears to still have problems dealing with a refresh of more
> than about a hundred keys at once, at least over hkps transport for me.
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Re: [Enigmail] Anyone else having problems refreshing keys with 1.8.1 on Linux?

[Ian Mann]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA512

yes, I use gpg 2

On 14/04/15 12:32, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote:
> gpg 2.1.x appears to still have problems dealing with a refresh of more
> than about a hundred keys at once, at least over hkps transport for me
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Re: [Enigmail] Anyone else having problems refreshing keys with 1.8.1 on Linux?

[Ian Mann]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA512

correct

On 14/04/15 12:32, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote:
> * which keyserver are you using exactly, via what protocol?  Ian, i
>think "mit" means hkp://pgp.mit.edu , right?
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Re: [Enigmail] Anyone else having problems refreshing keys with 1.8.1 on Linux?

[Ian Mann]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA512

enigmail 1.9a1pre

Refresh all Public Keys works fine from mit.

Ian

On 14/04/15 07:23, Anthony Papillion wrote:
> I usually update my keys once a week from within Enigmail since it's
> convenient. As of the last update, every time I try to interact with a
> keyserver (send or receive), it fails. If I drop to the terminal and
> issue the commands manually, they succeed.
> 
> Anyone else having this problem with Enigmail?
> 
> Thanks!
> Anthony
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Re: [Enigmail] Enigmail 2.0.x upgrade

[Ian Mann]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA512

For Ubuntu

I think it is under enigmail, preferences, Basic, tick 'override with' and type 
in /usr/bin/gpg2

Just in case it doesn't work, write down what is in there now.

I am pretty sure GPG2 is already in Ubuntu, just needs to be selected. It 
worked for me doing the above, I run Ubuntu 14.04LTS

Ian




On 05/04/15 21:40, garlicxsa...@distruzione.org wrote:
> hi everyone,
>
> My enigmail just informed me that:
>
> This is the last version of Enigmail to support this version of GnuPG.
> Future version only work with GnuPG 2.0 and newer.
> We therefore recommend that you upgrade to the latest version of GnuPG
> 2.0.x
>
> With an ubuntu OS and using KGpg as encrypting software how to i do
> that? Can i do it directly from Thunderbird and Enigmail?
>
> I know it sounds like a silly question but it's a while that i dont
> upgrade and i have no idea how to do it manually
>
> Many thanks in advance
>
> Enrico
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Re: [Enigmail] Enigmail 2.0.x upgrade

[Ian Mann]

For Ubuntu

I think it is under enigmail, preferences, Basic, tick override with and type 
in /usr/bin/gpg2

Just in case it doesn't work, write down what is in there now.

Ian


On 05/04/15 21:40, garlicxsa...@distruzione.org wrote:
> hi everyone,
>
> My enigmail just informed me that:
>
> This is the last version of Enigmail to support this version of GnuPG.
> Future version only work with GnuPG 2.0 and newer.
> We therefore recommend that you upgrade to the latest version of GnuPG
> 2.0.x
>
> With an ubuntu OS and using KGpg as encrypting software how to i do
> that? Can i do it directly from Thunderbird and Enigmail?
>
> I know it sounds like a silly question but it's a while that i dont
> upgrade and i have no idea how to do it manually
>
> Many thanks in advance
>
> Enrico
>
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Re: [Enigmail] Enigmail 1.8.2 - Beta 3

[Ian Mann]

Have installed beta version Patrick, will let you know if any issues arise.

On 03/04/15 03:32, Patrick Brunschwig wrote:
> I fixed a few bugs over the last couple of days. As some of the
> changes were not straight forward, I have uploaded a new beta version
> for public testing.
>
> The fixed bugs mainly cover message composition, saving (encrypted)
> drafts and improvements to the "Decrypt Permanently" / "Create
> decrypted copy" message filters.
>
> Please let me know of any regressions compared to v1.8.0 / v1.8.1
>
> https://www.enigmail.net/download/beta/enigmail-1.8.2-pre3.xpi
>
> Thanks,
> Patrick
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Re: [Enigmail] PGP/MIME in web mail clients ( was: Re: some thoughts about usability)

[Ian Mann]

Thanks for that feedback Olav, especially that it works in Gmail, I tested and 
it does now work there.



On 31/03/15 18:23, Olav Seyfarth wrote:
> Hi Ian,
>
> > I wonder how it looks in Outlook now.
>
> Outlook shows body text fine, and an attachment. OK.
>
> Windows 8.1 Desktop Mail App ignores signature.asc (appears not to be there at
> all). Not nice, but OK.
>
> Olav
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Re: [Enigmail] PGP/MIME in web mail clients ( was: Re: some thoughts about usability)

[Ian Mann]

Your right Olav, now using PGP/Mime the body can be read now in the gmail web 
browser. I wonder when Gmail changed. I can recall my friends complaints that 
there was nothing in the message. I wonder how it looks in Outlook now.

In Line can look 'ugly' , but I have got use to it now. I will gibe PGP/Mime a 
try again.

On 31/03/15 02:38, Olav Seyfarth wrote:
> Hi Ian,
>
> > I started off using PGP/MIME, it seemed neat. However, some contacts read
> > their mail in web browsers, eg Gmail, and all they saw was the signature
> > and could not view content of the message.
>
> It is true that web mail clients often do not handle PGP/MIME (or PGP at all).
> But what you describe above is that Google Mail would not display the message
> body AT ALL. I just tried to reproduce this but cannot!
>
> Gmail inbox DOES show the CONTENT of the message body for all PGP/MIME 
> messages
> (plain text, HTML only, mixed) I sent to myself.
>
> It cannot display the SIGNATURE properly, though! (Your receipient may not
> verify the message within the Google mail web interface. But that applies to
> ALL non PGP-enabled mail clients.)
>
> > It was a hassle trying to remember which contacts used the web browser to
> > read email in.
>
> You could have used per-receipient rules for that...
>
> > Switching to in-line solved the issue for me. Now the see the signature
> > and email content.
>
> Sure. That's the beauty of INLINE. It ALWAYS works (with plain text). But 
> looks
> ugly ;-)
>
> > It is nice we have the choice to select from.
>
> Sure. And this will stay in Enigmail. You may set your personal preference,
> let Enigmail automatically change this personal per-identity setting using
> per-receipient rules and you may switch while composing messages. But the
> program default will be PGP/MIME in our next release.
>
> Olav
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Re: [Enigmail] PGP/MIME in web mail clients ( was: Re: some thoughts about usability)

[Ian Mann]

Your right Olav, bow using PGP/Mime the body can be read now. I wonder when 
Gmail changed. I can recall my friends complaing there was nothing in the 
message. I wonder how it looks in Outlook now.

In Line can look 'ugly' , but I have got use to it now. I will gibe PGP/Mime a 
try again.

On 31/03/15 02:38, Olav Seyfarth wrote:
> Hi Ian,
>
> > I started off using PGP/MIME, it seemed neat. However, some contacts read
> > their mail in web browsers, eg Gmail, and all they saw was the signature
> > and could not view content of the message.
>
> It is true that web mail clients often do not handle PGP/MIME (or PGP at all).
> But what you describe above is that Google Mail would not display the message
> body AT ALL. I just tried to reproduce this but cannot!
>
> Gmail inbox DOES show the CONTENT of the message body for all PGP/MIME 
> messages
> (plain text, HTML only, mixed) I sent to myself.
>
> It cannot display the SIGNATURE properly, though! (Your receipient may not
> verify the message within the Google mail web interface. But that applies to
> ALL non PGP-enabled mail clients.)
>
> > It was a hassle trying to remember which contacts used the web browser to
> > read email in.
>
> You could have used per-receipient rules for that...
>
> > Switching to in-line solved the issue for me. Now the see the signature
> > and email content.
>
> Sure. That's the beauty of INLINE. It ALWAYS works (with plain text). But 
> looks
> ugly ;-)
>
> > It is nice we have the choice to select from.
>
> Sure. And this will stay in Enigmail. You may set your personal preference,
> let Enigmail automatically change this personal per-identity setting using
> per-receipient rules and you may switch while composing messages. But the
> program default will be PGP/MIME in our next release.
>
> Olav
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Re: [Enigmail] some thoughts about usability

[Ian Mann]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA512

I am relatively new to enigmail. I started off using PGP/MIME, it seemed neat. 
However, some contacts read their mail in web browsers, eg Gmail, and all they 
saw was the signature and could not view content of the message. It was a 
hassle trying to remember which contacts used the web browser to read email in. 
Switching to in-line solved the issue for me. Now the see the signature and 
email content.

It is nice we have the choice to select from.

Ian


On 30/03/15 03:55, Patrick Brunschwig wrote:
> On 29.03.15 18:44, Mike Acker wrote:
> [...]
> >> Fixed in v1.9.
> > I think we need to re-think this protocol question: if the user
> > selects either (a PGP Signature or PGP Encryption or both) and (the
> > message is in HTML format) then the user needs to use PGP/MIME and
> > that should be the automatic default.   certainly OK to have a
> > switch to change the message to plain-text and shift to PGP/Inline
> > but at this point I think most eMail messages are written in HTML.
>
> > as things stand I have to go back to the Enigmail dialog and
> > re-select PGP-MIME each time I want to use it.   Not Good.
>
> The protocol question has already been decided. Enigmail 1.9 will use
> PGP/MIME by default.
>
> Furthermore, you can change the default to PGP/MIME in the account
> settings, and you can specify PGP/MIME to be the protocol for certain
> specific email addresses using per-recipient rules. I doubt that more
> automatic changes would make things easier.
>
> -Patrick
>
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Re: [Enigmail] [ANN] Enigmail v1.8.1 available

[Ian Mann]

Thanks Patrick

Ian

On 24/03/15 04:19, Patrick Brunschwig wrote:
> I'm happy to announce the availability of Enigmail v1.8.1 for
> Thunderbird 31, and SeaMonkey 2.29 and newer.
>
>
> Changes
> ===
> This is a bugfix release addressing some disturbing regressions
> introduced in the last release.
>
>
> Important Note
> ==
> Enigmail v1.8.x is the last branch of Enigmail to support GnuPG v1.4.x.
> Future version of Enigmail (v1.9 and later) will require GnuPG 2.0.7
> or newer.
>
>
> Obtaining Enigmail
> ==
> Enigmail can be downloaded from
> 
> The changelog is available from
> 
>
>
> Additional Remarks
> ==
> As usually, it will take up to 2 weeks until the version will be
> available on addons.mozilla.org.
>
>
> -Patrick
>
>
>
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Re: [Enigmail] New 1.8 toolbar on the composition window

[Ian Mann]

A few thoughts on my own experience...

My friends who do not encrypt all say they have nothing to hide, or I only 
email regular stuff and the government are welcome to read it and get bored, 
that's the standard response I get.

Only one commented, "Will I have to do anything different from what I do now?"

What convinced me was the idea of putting email in an envelope to improve 
privacy.

I had no one to guide me. Some articles were confusing and sounded complicated 
when I read them. I spent about 7-10 days researching before I had a go at 
setting up encryption using Thunderbird and Enigmail.

I am an elderly, law abiding, Old Aged Pensioner with little computer knowledge 
who just thinks folks are entitled to privacy.

If everyone who emailed was required to have a certificate I can imagine spam 
would vanish, and if everyone encrypted then encryption would not be extra 
ordinary. This should be easy to achieve as almost all people put their surface 
mail in an envelope, and few send Postcards.

Ian

On 19/03/15 08:34, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote:
> On Wed 2015-03-18 15:24:50 -0400, Doug Barton wrote:
>> I've done what you've done in the past, sit down with a room full of 
>> people and explain to them how PGP works, the barest of fundamentals 
>> they need to know in order to get started, and walked through some demo 
>> e-mails. I've done this with groups, and I've done it with individuals. 
>> I have a near-zero uptake percentage on these presentations. When I ask 
>> people later why they aren't using the tools, they give a variety of 
>> reasons ... Too hard, Confusing, Weird, No one else I know uses it, etc.
> We're currently trying to address the "Too hard, Confusing, Weird"
> aspects by making the tool easier to use for novices.  If it's easier,
> some of the folks who rejected it on these grounds might use it.  If
> more people use it, this will in turn start to address the "No one else
> I know uses it" aspect.
>
>> I could make a very persuasive argument that social engineering isn't 
>> enigmail's job. We've already committed to social engineering for the 
>> transition to GnuPG 2.x, and now we're doing more social engineering to 
>> try and attract new users? This is a very disturbing trend.
> If by "social engineering" you mean "trying to change something about
> how society works for the better", then i agree that enigmail is trying
> to do this, but i don't find it disturbing at all.
>
> As tool developers and distributors, we do have an influence on what's
> possible and what's easy for people to do.  i think it's only
> responsible to try to use that influence for good.
>
>> Yes, more of them know, AND THEY STILL DON'T CARE. I saw a report on 
>> post-snowden user behavior the other day that said that among people who 
>> were knowledgeable about what Snowden is revealing that less than 10% 
>> had previously done anything to secure their communication, and less 
>> then 30% were doing *anything* new, and the steps they were taking were 
>> weak. I apparently didn't even bookmark the page, which I vaguely recall 
>> thinking wasn't necessary because it just demonstrated stuff I already 
>> knew.
> yes, it's pretty sad, and i've seen the same results.
>
>   
> http://www.pewinternet.org/2015/03/16/Americans-Privacy-Strategies-Post-Snowden/
>
> i'm not sure i reach the same conclusion that you do from it, though:
>
>> You are making the typical security nerd mistake of thinking that IF 
>> PEOPLE ONLY KNEW that their communication was insecure that they would 
>> do something about it. But studies and experience have shown over and 
>> over again that this is not true at all. People either know that their 
>> communication is insecure, and don't care; or they don't know, and don't 
>> care after it's pointed out to them.
>>
>> No amount of making tools easier is going to change that.
> I'm not just a security nerd -- i'm a transit infrastructure nerd!
>
> I think life is better for more people when more people bike or use mass
> transit instead of driving private automobiles.  When biking or mass
> transit is clunky, difficult, slow, ugly, dangerous, or expensive,
> people tend to avoid these modes of transit.  That's why i am involved
> with groups that try to improve the experience for bikers and mass
> transit riders in the city where i live.  It makes life better for
> everyone!
>
> And it's not that people near me don't know that mass transit is
> probably better for public health than individual automobiles, or even
> that they don't care at all (though i admit they probably don't care as
> much as i wish they would).  It's that they're busy, distracted, and
> they have other priorities.  So any hurdle (however small) that makes
> biking/transit worse is enough to turn off some set of people who decide
> "meh, i can't be bothered".
>
> Increasing the frequency of trains, keeping them clean, lowering the
> fares, providing indicators so we know when the bus will arrive, having
> b

Re: [Enigmail] New 1.8 toolbar on the composition window

[Ian Mann]

A few thoughts on my own experience...

My firiends who do not encrypt all say they have nothing to hide, or I only 
email regular stuff and the government are welcome to read it and get bored, 
that's the standard response I get.

Only one commented, "Will I have to do anything different from what I do now?"

What convinced me was the idea of putting email in an envelope to improve 
privacy.

I had no one to guide me. Some articles were confusing and sounded complicated 
when I read them. I spent about 7-10 days researching before I had a go at 
setting up encryption using Thunderbird and Enigmail.

I am an elderly, law abiding, Old Aged Pensioner with little computer knowledge 
who just thinks folks are entitled to privacy.

If everyone who emailed was required to have a certificate I can imagine spam 
would vanish, and if everyone encrypted then encryption would not be extra 
ordinary. This should be easy to achieve as almost all people put their surface 
mail in an envelope, and few send Postcards.

Ian



On 19/03/15 08:34, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote:
> On Wed 2015-03-18 15:24:50 -0400, Doug Barton wrote:
>> I've done what you've done in the past, sit down with a room full of 
>> people and explain to them how PGP works, the barest of fundamentals 
>> they need to know in order to get started, and walked through some demo 
>> e-mails. I've done this with groups, and I've done it with individuals. 
>> I have a near-zero uptake percentage on these presentations. When I ask 
>> people later why they aren't using the tools, they give a variety of 
>> reasons ... Too hard, Confusing, Weird, No one else I know uses it, etc.
> We're currently trying to address the "Too hard, Confusing, Weird"
> aspects by making the tool easier to use for novices.  If it's easier,
> some of the folks who rejected it on these grounds might use it.  If
> more people use it, this will in turn start to address the "No one else
> I know uses it" aspect.
>
>> I could make a very persuasive argument that social engineering isn't 
>> enigmail's job. We've already committed to social engineering for the 
>> transition to GnuPG 2.x, and now we're doing more social engineering to 
>> try and attract new users? This is a very disturbing trend.
> If by "social engineering" you mean "trying to change something about
> how society works for the better", then i agree that enigmail is trying
> to do this, but i don't find it disturbing at all.
>
> As tool developers and distributors, we do have an influence on what's
> possible and what's easy for people to do.  i think it's only
> responsible to try to use that influence for good.
>
>> Yes, more of them know, AND THEY STILL DON'T CARE. I saw a report on 
>> post-snowden user behavior the other day that said that among people who 
>> were knowledgeable about what Snowden is revealing that less than 10% 
>> had previously done anything to secure their communication, and less 
>> then 30% were doing *anything* new, and the steps they were taking were 
>> weak. I apparently didn't even bookmark the page, which I vaguely recall 
>> thinking wasn't necessary because it just demonstrated stuff I already 
>> knew.
> yes, it's pretty sad, and i've seen the same results.
>
>   
> http://www.pewinternet.org/2015/03/16/Americans-Privacy-Strategies-Post-Snowden/
>
> i'm not sure i reach the same conclusion that you do from it, though:
>
>> You are making the typical security nerd mistake of thinking that IF 
>> PEOPLE ONLY KNEW that their communication was insecure that they would 
>> do something about it. But studies and experience have shown over and 
>> over again that this is not true at all. People either know that their 
>> communication is insecure, and don't care; or they don't know, and don't 
>> care after it's pointed out to them.
>>
>> No amount of making tools easier is going to change that.
> I'm not just a security nerd -- i'm a transit infrastructure nerd!
>
> I think life is better for more people when more people bike or use mass
> transit instead of driving private automobiles.  When biking or mass
> transit is clunky, difficult, slow, ugly, dangerous, or expensive,
> people tend to avoid these modes of transit.  That's why i am involved
> with groups that try to improve the experience for bikers and mass
> transit riders in the city where i live.  It makes life better for
> everyone!
>
> And it's not that people near me don't know that mass transit is
> probably better for public health than individual automobiles, or even
> that they don't care at all (though i admit they probably don't care as
> much as i wish they would).  It's that they're busy, distracted, and
> they have other priorities.  So any hurdle (however small) that makes
> biking/transit worse is enough to turn off some set of people who decide
> "meh, i can't be bothered".
>
> Increasing the frequency of trains, keeping them clean, lowering the
> fares, providing indicators so we know when the bus will arrive, having

Re: [Enigmail] New 1.8 toolbar on the composition window

[Ian Mann]

I like the 'Attach My Public Key' button, its so handy where it now is...

Ian

On 19/03/15 06:35, Doug Barton wrote:
> On 3/18/15 7:53 AM, Robert J. Hansen wrote:
>>> But what percentage of overall enigmail users are they, and how
>>> likely are they to blindly send their key to a keyserver rather then
>>> blindly click a button to attach their public key?
>>
>> Try turning your question around.  Consider if one of them were to ask,
>> "But what percentage of overall Enigmail users live in liberal Western
>> democracies, and how likely are they to use this 'send to keyserver'
>> option rather than the sensible 'attach public key' button?
>
> That's a totally non-sequitur argument, as you're positing a number of 
> straw-men that I didn't put up. (You're also not answering my question about 
> what percentage of the user base these people form.)
>
>> Do we
>> really need to make it easy to send keys to the keyserver?"
>>
>> The answer is, both groups are very important to us.
>
> I'm not saying that either group is unimportant. In fact I would argue that 
> people who are actually using cryptography for real, meaningful purposes are 
> far more important than the dilettantes like us.
>
> But the question is not, "Which group is important?" the question is, "What 
> should the defaults be?"
>
>> If you don't like the button, great.  Don't use it.  :)
>
> Well that's not only non-sequitur, it's childish. But I'll give you a 
> smiley-based pass. :)
>
> I have said repeatedly now that I'm not concerned with what experts can or 
> cannot do. I think the new defaults are bad on several levels, and will lead 
> to bad outcomes.
>
>> But we did get
>> feedback from a large number of trainers at the Circumvention
>> conference, and I did not hear one single complaint about the 1.8 beta I
>> showed them with the "Attach public key" button.
>
> Sure, but again, non-sequitur. I would definitely expect that if you show the 
> feature to a group for whom the feature would be wildly useful that they 
> would approve. :)  What percentage of the overall user population was 
> represented, and should we tailor the defaults for that tiny group?
>
>> As always, Patrick's in the driver's seat and gets to make the final
>> decisions on everything... but my feeling is the "Attach public key"
>> button is something that an important fraction of our users approve of,
>> and for that reason we're not going to get rid of it.  We might figure
>> out better ways to present it or make it fit in the UI, but we're going
>> to continue to make it extremely easy for users to attach public keys to
>> an email message.
>
> It already was easy. There is already an option to attach it to every 
> message, and there is already a menu item to attach it to individual 
> messages. I'm not hearing any rationale for putting an attractive nuisance 
> button in every user's face for a feature that most of them do not need.
>
>
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Re: [Enigmail] [ANN] Enigmail v1.8 Available

[Ian Mann]

Was very keen to get the final version and in my haste did not read all the 
email and missed the new handbook remark, have now downloaded it and it is 
beautiful. Thanks Ludwig, you did a great job on it.

Ian

On 18/03/15 04:15, Patrick Brunschwig wrote:
> I'm happy to announce the availability of Enigmail v1.8 for
> Thunderbird 31, and SeaMonkey 2.29 and newer.
>
>
> Major Changes
> =
> * Improved user interface for message composition
> * Simplified setup wizard
> * Possibility to permanently decrypt messages via filter rules
> * Improved support for PGP/MIME messages from GPGTools sent from MS
> Exchange Server
> * Many fixed bugs
>
>
> Important Note
> ==
> This is the last major version of Enigmail to support GnuPG v1.4.x.
> Future version of Enigmail (v1.9 and later) will require GnuPG 2.0.7
> or newer.
>
>
> Obtaining Enigmail
> ==
> Enigmail can be downloaded from
> 
> The changelog is available from
> 
>
> Additional Remarks
> ==
> We also released an updated version of the Handbook that matches the
> current version of Enigmail. Special thanks to Ludwig for this!
>
> Starting with this release, the Enigmail packages are no longer signed
> with the old key from 2004, but with my current key ID 0xDD5F693B.
>
> As usually, it will take about 2 weeks until the version will be
> available on addons.mozilla.org.
>
> -Patrick
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Re: [Enigmail] New 1.8 toolbar on the composition window

[Ian Mann]

It just seems common sense to send your key to a new contact. I use it all the 
time when making a new contact.


On 18/03/15 17:03, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote:
> On Wed 2015-03-18 01:39:06 -0400, Doug Barton wrote:
>> I buy that argument, but it seems much more reasonable to me to make 
>> sign and encrypt buttons that show up in the composition toolbar. This 
>> would mean that we get the same usability improvement, but no additional 
>> screen real estate would be necessary.
> My composition toolbar currently already has:
>
>  Send | Spelling | Attach | S/MIME | Save
>
> Depending on how you select icons and text, these can take up a fair
> amount of width already.  The four enigmail features
> (encrypt,sign,pubkey,status) would also need to be effectively grouped
> somehow conceptually (though i understand it sounds like you don't
> particularly want pubkey or status at all).
>
> The "Attach My Public Key" button is almost certainly a bad idea, as
> it will cause new users to think that this is an action that should
> be done frequently, rather than rarely.
>>> This is one of the most common actions that new users *should* take,
>> Um, since when? Hasn't the CW always been to have the user upload their 
>> key to a key server? If they are corresponding with someone who isn't 
>> smart enough to get the key Id from the signature, the new user can 
>> simply send the fingerprint to their correspondent, and they can 
>> download the key that way.
> I used to think so too.  I'm not as sure any more, and attaching the
> public key like this avoids a lot of uncertainty and doubt for new
> users.  in particular, i've seen these questions during training
> sessions:
>
>  * "What's a keyserver?"
>
>  * "how do i tell enigmail to send my key to the public keyservers?"
>
>  * "Wait, which keyserver should i publish to?"
>
>  * "You mean my e-mail address will be listed up there publicly? i don't
> feel comfortable with this..."
>
>  * "You think i should e-mail my friend with my fingerprint?  what's my
>fingerprint?  how do i get enigmail to put it in the message for me?"
>
>  * "ok, i've uploaded my public key to the keyservers, and sent my
>friend my fingerprint; how does my friend get my key now?"
>
>  * "hm, my friend is trying to get it, but the keyserver says it doesn't
> have it; how long do we have to wait?"  (this is often caused by
> pool propagation delay)
>
> and so on.
>
> I'm not saying all of these concerns are dealbreakers, or even that any
> of them are unanswerable.  But the mechanism enigmail 1.8 is providing
> avoids basically all of them.
>
> S/MIME by default includes the user's certificate in each message, iirc,
> perhaps to try to short-circuit this entire process as well.
>
> I don't particularly *want* users to attach their keys willy-nilly, and
> i don't want everyone to stop using the keyservers (they're quite useful
> for initial contact and search), but i think ithis is a useful
> complement to that approach.
>
>>> I see this as comparable to browsers degrading the UI for http:
>>>
>>>http://www.chromium.org/Home/chromium-security/marking-http-as-non-secure
>> Um, no, that's not the same thing at all. It's quite disturbing that you 
>> don't see the many ways that they are different.
>>
>> Routine *encryption* has some similarities to deprecating http vs. 
>> https, but we already have the opportunistic encryption feature. That 
>> feature should be enabled by default (if it isn't already).
> Opportunistic encryption *is* enabled by default, and it clears the red
> warning when it gets turned on.  i'm curious to hear details of why this
> is so radically different from 
>
>
>>> This is entirely a good thing.  The red warning will go away if you
>>> encrypt, even if you don't sign.
>>>
>>> If we don't want to encourage routine signing, maybe the warning could
>>> stay red as long as it's unencrypted?  Or maybe it could be:
>> I'm sorry, but this is total nonsense. Routine signing is a BAD idea. 
>> Messages sent to mailing lists cannot be encrypted. And I use 
>> thunderbird for business communication where I cannot do either, ever.
> fwiw, i agree with you that associating RED with unsigned and NOTRED
> with signed maybe doesn't seem important to me.  I'd prefer the warning
> color/font to be used with unencrypted mail, and the non-warning
> color/font to be used with encrypted mail, regardless of signing.
>
> Unencrypted mail will be in the clear, just like the many web sites we
> still use that are in the clear (for routine business communications
> like http://amazon.com/, for example).  Users should know about this.
>
>> I am conducting an experiment in the efficacy of PGP/MIME signatures. 
>> This message should be signed. If it is not, or the signature does not 
>> validate, please let me know how you received this message (direct, or 
>> to a list) and the mail software you use. Thanks!
> Message received on-list and signature validated prope

Re: [Enigmail] New 1.8 toolbar on the composition window

[Ian Mann]

I second that

On 18/03/15 14:00, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote:
> On Tue 2015-03-17 22:51:18 -0400, Ian Mann wrote:
>> I have used the beta, and participated in nightly, and 1.8 is perfect to me. 
>> I like it just how it is.
> I also think the message composition toolbar is a great usability
> improvement.  Thanks for all the hard work that went into making
> something that looks this simple :)
>
>> On 18/03/15 12:43, Doug Barton wrote:
>>> Were the buttons for encrypt and sign moved up to their own toolbar
>>> instead of the old icons at the bottom because the latter was too
>>> subtle? Would it not make more sense to put them in as default
>>> buttons on the Composition toolbar? Also the icons used seem very
>>> fuzzy to me.
> the icons at the bottom were two small for most people to notice, and it
> was not clear that users could interact with them.  The toolbar is an
> improvement, even at the cost of extra screen real estate.
>
>>> The "Attach My Public Key" button is almost certainly a bad idea, as
>>> it will cause new users to think that this is an action that should
>>> be done frequently, rather than rarely.
> This is one of the most common actions that new users *should* take,
> since their correspondents don't have their key yet.  I've hesistated in
> the past to ask people to send me their key because i didn't want to
> have to ask them to dig in the menu.  This makes it much esier.
>
>>> And given that most of my messages are unsigned and unencrypted I
>>> find the big red message to be ... offputting to say the least. Do we
>>> really want to encourage routine signing?
> I see this as comparable to browsers degrading the UI for http:
>
>   http://www.chromium.org/Home/chromium-security/marking-http-as-non-secure
>
> This is entirely a good thing.  The red warning will go away if you
> encrypt, even if you don't sign.
>
> If we don't want to encourage routine signing, maybe the warning could
> stay red as long as it's unencrypted?  Or maybe it could be:
>
>  "This message will be signed but is not encrypted" ?
>
>  --dkg
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Re: [Enigmail] New 1.8 toolbar on the composition window

[Ian Mann]

I have used the beta, and participated in nightly, and 1.8 is perfect to me. I 
like it just how it is.

Ian

On 18/03/15 12:43, Doug Barton wrote:
> I just installed 1.8, and I'm seeing the attached ... is this intended? I 
> have a lot of concerns ...
>
> Were the buttons for encrypt and sign moved up to their own toolbar instead 
> of the old icons at the bottom because the latter was too subtle? Would it 
> not make more sense to put them in as default buttons on the Composition 
> toolbar? Also the icons used seem very fuzzy to me.
>
> The "Attach My Public Key" button is almost certainly a bad idea, as it will 
> cause new users to think that this is an action that should be done 
> frequently, rather than rarely.
>
> And given that most of my messages are unsigned and unencrypted I find the 
> big red message to be ... offputting to say the least. Do we really want to 
> encourage routine signing?
>
> I realize that the release is already cut, and that I did not participate in 
> the betas due to lack of time. But given that the new release won't be 
> available on the addons site for a couple of weeks perhaps it is not too late 
> to reconsider some of these new additions?
>
> Doug
>
>
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Re: [Enigmail] Enigmail speed geeking

[Ian Mann]

Nice essay Robert, thanks.

On 12/03/15 04:10, Robert J. Hansen wrote:
> At the Circumvention Tech Festival there was an event called
> speed-geeking, where the people responsible for a tool would speak for a
> few minutes on something related to the tool and field a few minutes of
> Q&A from the audience about the tool.  I received a number of requests
> afterwards to reprise my Enigmail speed-geeking presentation, so I wrote
> it up and put it online.
>
> "Things you're doing wrong with Enigmail" is a short (500-word) essay on
> four mistakes I repeatedly see Enigmail users making.  However, it's not
> limited to Enigmail: most of the content is broadly applicable to any
> cryptosystem.
>
> http://robert-hansen.com/?p=83
>
>
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Re: [Enigmail] Version 1.8 release

[Ian Mann]

Thanks..


Ian

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Setting up PGP encryption is simple



On 09/03/15 17:40, Patrick Brunschwig wrote:
> On 09.03.15 02:06, Ian Mann wrote:
> > Is this version close to release? Love what I see in the Nightly
> > version, especially the User Interface changes, thanks for all the
> > hard work
>
> Yes. I still have to fix some small bugs and improvements, and I'm
> waiting for the translations to be completed.
>
> -Patrick
>
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Re: [Enigmail] General Opinion and unverified bug

[Ian Mann]

I had no problems installing and implementing PGP via Enigmail and Thunderbird 
all on my own. Granted the new user interface in 1.8 is heaps more intuitive 
than the 1.7 version. What I am struggling to say is that if an older. 
inexperienced, person like me can install and use it, why should it be an issue 
for the journalists this lassie is training.

I just don't have the issues this lassie is talking about, and I am bewildered 
by her remarks. I don't know technically how encryption works, and I don't much 
care to find out. All I know is it works fine and is simple to use. I suppose 
you have to get your head around the idea of a two key process, and get folks 
Public Keys to encrypt to them, but that isn't a big issue in my opinion.

Maybe I am missing her point somehow.

Ian

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Setting up PGP encryption is simple
https://whyencryptemail.net/


On 09/03/15 14:32, Robert J. Hansen wrote:
>> I know that, there were already discussions about the (GnuPG) 
>> terminology of Enigmail. I don't think that an addon, which should 
>> easily provide signing and encrypting mails for the masses, should
>> use very technical terms, which are coming from a "low-level" tool
>> for rather tech-savy people like GnuPG. Just use abstractions. The
>> users on Layer 8 just wants to know, if they can trust an e-mail or
>> not. Or if they are doing it right or not.
> This is your prejudice.  Until and unless you've done a statistically
> significant polling of a representative cross-section of users, you just
> don't know.  If the people you're training are like this, great, but
> please don't assume your experiences are representative of either the
> userbase or the trainerbase.
>
>> When recieving a signed email there are only four possibilities: 1.
>> the message is manipulated (wrong signature)
> No.  99% of bad signatures are actually attached to untampered emails.
> This is why we cannot conclude based on a bad sig that the message has
> been changed.
>
>> In the first case, you can just show a huge red bar, telling the
>> user, that the message can't be trusted.
> No.  You show them a message saying the integrity is not assured.  This
> is semantically different.
>
>> This makes not much sense to me. It's even irrational to me. And I
>> tell you why:
> At this point it has been explained to you many times, in great detail.
> I no longer care whether you understand it, and I never cared about
> your approval of my choice.  Drop it.
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[Enigmail] Version 1.8 release

[Ian Mann]

Is this version close to release? Love what I see in the Nightly version, 
especially the User Interface changes, thanks for all the hard work


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Re: [Enigmail] From Circumvention

[Ian Mann]

Frank,
Thanks for the response.I live in Goulburn, NSW Australia.My Grandson was born 
in Austin Texas in 2013, my Son-in-Law brought the family to Melbourne later 
that year and emigrated here.

I have a Pal in California, a Publisher, and relatives there as well.

I read the forum as the mail comes in, most of the information is beyond me.I 
became interested in encryption after reading a web article around a year ago.

Ian

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On 08/03/15 21:58, FederalHill wrote:
> Hello Mr Ian ;
>
> I do not participate in this forum very much.  It was my privilege to read 
> from an OAP today.  Securing our nations medical data is becoming more and 
> more essential. this very need is driven by those that you claim you do not 
> wish to be around. Both big business and little business require cost 
> effective ways to communicate and store data.  I am not an OAP yet. I have 
> restarted my insurance agency and now I find the need for protecting our data 
> base more and more important.  Insurance agencies in America are small 
> business.
>
> When we talk about governments harassing people, many times we are talking 
> about isolated instances or racketeering groups or Iron triangles. Those are 
> criminal elements in out governments.
>  
> Frank C Spruill III
> 500 West Martin Luther King Boulevard 1301
> Chattanooga TN 37402
>
> ------
> *From:* Ian Mann 
> *To:* enigmail-users@enigmail.net
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 7, 2015 9:37 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Enigmail] From Circumvention
>
> Doug,
> I am not into an rebellious or criminal activity. I became 
> interested in enigmail and PGP around a year ago as a matter of general 
> interest. I am an OAP, (Old Aged Pensioner). I was surprised at how easy it 
> was to set up, perhaps I just found the right material. The link below was 
> the web site I used.
>
> https://whyencryptemail.net/
>
> The biggest draw back is that friends don't use encryption, all the chaps I 
> know have their wives operate the computer for them! The second draw back is 
> that most young folks use the cell or mobile phone with SMS to chat, so email 
> encryption is not big with them either.
>
> By what I read on the web, it is business that seems to be the big adopter of 
> end-to-end encryption. I cannot speak for dissidents as I don't mix in those 
> circles, but I can imagine encryption and security is very important to them. 
> Here in Australia new Data retention Laws are proposed, I think the agencies 
> do that illegally now, and our government just wants to make it legal to 
> prevent a court case failing in law on a technicality.
>
> All that said, Ladar Levison said, at the Defcon that there are 3 billion 
> email users today, if everyone encrypted then encrypted message would not 
> seem abnormal. His team is trying to make it 'auto-magical' so as to 
> encourage more folks to encrypt.
>
> I joined the forum so as to be up to date on enigmail events, and practice 
> sending encrypted emails with like minded contacts, as trying to get ordinary 
> Pals to encrypt was a futile exercise. The forum has been fantastic, I am 
> amazed at the work done by the developers here, a small team but with a 
> tremendous output through dedication. The ordinary forum members have been 
> very helpful and don't hold back. Each week I learn a bit more.
>
> Thanks everyone,
>
> Ian
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 08/03/15 11:02, Doug Barton wrote:
>> I took a look at that URL, and I see two problems there. First the data
>> that they suggest you hide is not particularly meaningful. Second, the
>> fact that you are hiding it will make you stand out from the crowd more
>> than not hiding it would.
>&g

Re: [Enigmail] From Circumvention

[Ian Mann]

Doug,
I am not into an rebellious or criminal activity. I became 
interested in enigmail and PGP around a year ago as a matter of general 
interest. I am an OAP, (Old Aged Pensioner). I was surprised at how easy it was 
to set up, perhaps I just found the right material. The link below was the web 
site I used.

https://whyencryptemail.net/

The biggest draw back is that friends don't use encryption, all the chaps I 
know have their wives operate the computer for them! The second draw back is 
that most young folks use the cell or mobile phone with SMS to chat, so email 
encryption is not big with them either.

By what I read on the web, it is business that seems to be the big adopter of 
end-to-end encryption. I cannot speak for dissidents as I don't mix in those 
circles, but I can imagine encryption and security is very important to them. 
Here in Australia new Data retention Laws are proposed, I think the agencies do 
that illegally now, and our government just wants to make it legal to prevent a 
court case failing in law on a technicality.

All that said, Ladar Levison said, at the Defcon that there are 3 billion email 
users today, if everyone encrypted then encrypted message would not seem 
abnormal. His team is trying to make it 'auto-magical' so as to encourage more 
folks to encrypt.

I joined the forum so as to be up to date on enigmail events, and practice 
sending encrypted emails with like minded contacts, as trying to get ordinary 
Pals to encrypt was a futile exercise. The forum has been fantastic, I am 
amazed at the work done by the developers here, a small team but with a 
tremendous output through dedication. The ordinary forum members have been very 
helpful and don't hold back. Each week I learn a bit more.

Thanks everyone,

Ian








On 08/03/15 11:02, Doug Barton wrote:
> I took a look at that URL, and I see two problems there. First the data
> that they suggest you hide is not particularly meaningful. Second, the
> fact that you are hiding it will make you stand out from the crowd more
> than not hiding it would.
>
> One could argue that a better tactic might be to send the headers, but
> populate them with valid data from a different platform. I'm still not
> sure how much value that would have though.
>
> Compare this for to get an idea of my context ...
>
> https://panopticlick.eff.org/
>
> hth,
>
> Doug
>
>
> On 3/7/15 10:52 AM, Rainer Blome wrote:
> | Ian, good point, thanks for this link!
> | Just followed the instructions, let's see what's left.
> |
> | @All:
> | Some people can see some of my social network.
> | That's just a fact of life, and I live with this, as everyone else does.
> |
> | Does this mean that I tell some people about all my contacts?
> | No, I try to avoid that.
> |
> | Firms such as Google, which set the default to "upload the whole
> | address book" make it difficult to avoid this.
> | Enigmail should not follow their example.
> |
> | -Rainer
> |
> |
> | Am 07.03.2015 um 02:39 schrieb Ian Mann:
> |>
> http://blog.linuxprogrammer.org/How%20to%20Sanitize%20Thunderbird%20and%20Enigmail.html
> |
> |>   This sanitizes some of the information.
> |
> |> Ian
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Re: [Enigmail] From Circumvention

[Ian Mann]

Read a PDF on DIME and viewed a You Tube video made at DefCon. Lavinson's 
system has a server, Magma and an email client Volcano, built on Thunderbird. 
The gist of it was that the metaddata would be hidden more and encrypted as 
part of the email process.

That would make the emails more of a target based on the statements you refer 
to Doug. Nevertheless, the process would be more secure in my opinion.

If you want the PDF or video email me and I can send a link. Similarly, a quick 
Google can bring them up. The system is not available yet, they have just 
started coding . github has some of the code up already.

https://github.com/lavabit/magma.classic?files=1


Ian



On 08/03/15 11:02, Doug Barton wrote:
> I took a look at that URL, and I see two problems there. First the data
> that they suggest you hide is not particularly meaningful. Second, the
> fact that you are hiding it will make you stand out from the crowd more
> than not hiding it would.
>
> One could argue that a better tactic might be to send the headers, but
> populate them with valid data from a different platform. I'm still not
> sure how much value that would have though.
>
> Compare this for to get an idea of my context ...
>
> https://panopticlick.eff.org/
>
> hth,
>
> Doug
>
>
> On 3/7/15 10:52 AM, Rainer Blome wrote:
> | Ian, good point, thanks for this link!
> | Just followed the instructions, let's see what's left.
> |
> | @All:
> | Some people can see some of my social network.
> | That's just a fact of life, and I live with this, as everyone else does.
> |
> | Does this mean that I tell some people about all my contacts?
> | No, I try to avoid that.
> |
> | Firms such as Google, which set the default to "upload the whole
> | address book" make it difficult to avoid this.
> | Enigmail should not follow their example.
> |
> | -Rainer
> |
> |
> | Am 07.03.2015 um 02:39 schrieb Ian Mann:
> |>
> http://blog.linuxprogrammer.org/How%20to%20Sanitize%20Thunderbird%20and%20Enigmail.html
> |
> |>   This sanitizes some of the information.
> |
> |> Ian
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Re: [Enigmail] From Circumvention

[Ian Mann]

The comments on the original web page state the aim of the changes...namely 
disclosing less.

Comments
You should take care to disclose as little as possible about the privacy tools 
you use, if only to make it harder to run automated, targeted attacks against 
your computers and accounts.


  Conclusion

After making these changes to your stock Thunderbird and Enigmail installation, 
the encrypted emails you send will be much more sanitary and will disclose less 
information about the tools you use.




On 08/03/15 11:02, Doug Barton wrote:
> I took a look at that URL, and I see two problems there. First the data
> that they suggest you hide is not particularly meaningful. Second, the
> fact that you are hiding it will make you stand out from the crowd more
> than not hiding it would.
>
> One could argue that a better tactic might be to send the headers, but
> populate them with valid data from a different platform. I'm still not
> sure how much value that would have though.
>
> Compare this for to get an idea of my context ...
>
> https://panopticlick.eff.org/
>
> hth,
>
> Doug
>
>
> On 3/7/15 10:52 AM, Rainer Blome wrote:
> | Ian, good point, thanks for this link!
> | Just followed the instructions, let's see what's left.
> |
> | @All:
> | Some people can see some of my social network.
> | That's just a fact of life, and I live with this, as everyone else does.
> |
> | Does this mean that I tell some people about all my contacts?
> | No, I try to avoid that.
> |
> | Firms such as Google, which set the default to "upload the whole
> | address book" make it difficult to avoid this.
> | Enigmail should not follow their example.
> |
> | -Rainer
> |
> |
> | Am 07.03.2015 um 02:39 schrieb Ian Mann:
> |>
> http://blog.linuxprogrammer.org/How%20to%20Sanitize%20Thunderbird%20and%20Enigmail.html
> |
> |>   This sanitizes some of the information.
> |
> |> Ian
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Re: [Enigmail] From Circumvention

[Ian Mann]

Yes, the browser tests show up a great deal of information.

Ian


On 08/03/15 11:02, Doug Barton wrote:
> I took a look at that URL, and I see two problems there. First the data
> that they suggest you hide is not particularly meaningful. Second, the
> fact that you are hiding it will make you stand out from the crowd more
> than not hiding it would.
>
> One could argue that a better tactic might be to send the headers, but
> populate them with valid data from a different platform. I'm still not
> sure how much value that would have though.
>
> Compare this for to get an idea of my context ...
>
> https://panopticlick.eff.org/
>
> hth,
>
> Doug
>
>
> On 3/7/15 10:52 AM, Rainer Blome wrote:
> | Ian, good point, thanks for this link!
> | Just followed the instructions, let's see what's left.
> |
> | @All:
> | Some people can see some of my social network.
> | That's just a fact of life, and I live with this, as everyone else does.
> |
> | Does this mean that I tell some people about all my contacts?
> | No, I try to avoid that.
> |
> | Firms such as Google, which set the default to "upload the whole
> | address book" make it difficult to avoid this.
> | Enigmail should not follow their example.
> |
> | -Rainer
> |
> |
> | Am 07.03.2015 um 02:39 schrieb Ian Mann:
> |>
> http://blog.linuxprogrammer.org/How%20to%20Sanitize%20Thunderbird%20and%20Enigmail.html
> |
> |>   This sanitizes some of the information.
> |
> |> Ian
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Re: [Enigmail] From Circumvention

[Ian Mann]

Thanks Rainer - Ian



On 08/03/15 05:52, Rainer Blome wrote:
> Ian, good point, thanks for this link!
> Just followed the instructions, let's see what's left.
>
> @All:
> Some people can see some of my social network.
> That's just a fact of life, and I live with this, as everyone else does.
>
> Does this mean that I tell some people about all my contacts?
> No, I try to avoid that.
>
> Firms such as Google, which set the default to "upload the whole
> address book" make it difficult to avoid this.
> Enigmail should not follow their example.
>
> -Rainer
>
>
> Am 07.03.2015 um 02:39 schrieb Ian Mann:
> > http://blog.linuxprogrammer.org/How%20to%20Sanitize%20Thunderbird%20and%20Enigmail.html
>
> >  This sanitizes some of the information.
>
> > Ian
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Re: [Enigmail] Enigmail v1.8 Beta 1

[Ian Mann]

Thank you Ludwig - Ian



On 08/03/15 05:55, Ludwig Hügelschäfer wrote:
> On 07.03.15 19:23, Ian Mann wrote:
>
> > How do I get a new copy of 1.8 beta that is fixed on master?
>
> You have to use tomorrows nightly
> (https://www.enigmail.net/download/nightly.php).
>
> Ludwig
>
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Re: [Enigmail] Enigmail v1.8 Beta 1

[Ian Mann]

How do I get a new copy of 1.8 beta that is fixed on master?


On 08/03/15 05:05, Patrick Brunschwig wrote:
> On 01.03.15 22:07, Philip Jackson wrote:
> > Hi Patrick :
>
> > On 26/02/15 18:36, Patrick Brunschwig wrote:
> >> I have created the first *beta* release of Enigmail v1.8. It
> >> contains many changes to the user interface, especially message
> >> composition, and quite a lot of bugs were fixed.
> >>
> >> I would appreciate to get as many bugs reported as possible such
> >> that we will have a stable release.
> >>
> > I've found a glitch in enigmail 1.8beta  connected with "sender's
> > key" options.
>
> > If the mail has been signed, you have 3 ways to be offered some
> > options for the sender's key :
>
> > 1. from the 'Details' button in the message header 2. from the menu
> > bar Enigmail/ Sender's key/ 3. from the strange little icon (3
> > small horizontal bars) on the right hand end of Thunderbird's Mail
> > Toolbar.
>
> > It is this latter which gives most often defective options.
>
> > If there is no PhotoID with the key concerned, the PhotoID option
> > is not greyed out, clicking it does however provide the message
> > that no such id is available.
>
> > If the message has not been signed at all, the Details button of
> > course is not present and the other two ways still provide a range
> > of options.
>
> > The menu bar Enigmail/Senders key/ provides four options not greyed
> > out (only the photoID is greyed out).  Whether any response is
> > received from clicking on any of these items depends on whether the
> > message is 'stand-alone' or a reply within a thread.  If within a
> > thread, clicking on 'View key properties' can produce the details
> > of a key from another thread message higher up in the chain (even
> > though there appears no quote from that message).
>
> > The 'funny icon' /Enigmail/Sender's key/ provides all five options
> > (not greyed out).  Some do nothing, some attempt an action on a key
> > higher up in the chain, the photoID option may show an image from
> > higher up or do nothing.
>
> > The most common of these is the offer to check a non-existant
> > photoid in the senders key options from the message toolbar icon.
> > The other incoherent offerings seem to be connected with unsigned
> > messages inside a thread containing some signed messages.  You can
> > find instances in this thread.
>
> Fixed on master; thanks for reporting.
>
> -Patrick
>
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Re: [Enigmail] From Circumvention

[Ian Mann]

There is a comprehensive video on DIME on You Tube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWzvXaxR6us

Ian




On 07/03/15 13:14, Ian Mann wrote:
> Sent a message with attachment, but is too large. I was unaware of size 
> limit, sorry for the problem.
>
> I was saying Dark Mail addresses the issue of headers I read some time back. 
> They have a PDF out now on their system.
>
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20903929/dark-internet-mail-environment-december-2014.pdf
>
>
>
> Ian
>
>
>
>
> On 07/03/15 13:00, David wrote:
>> On 3/6/2015 8:39 PM, Ian Mann wrote:
>>> http://blog.linuxprogrammer.org/How%20to%20Sanitize%20Thunderbird%20and%20Enigmail.html
>>>
>>> This sanitizes some of the information.
>>>
>>> Ian
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 07/03/15 11:23, David wrote:
>>>> On 3/6/2015 3:37 PM, Phil Stracchino wrote:
>>>>> On 03/06/15 15:16, David wrote:
>>>>>> I am confused by this request. What difference does it make if
>>>>>> 'someone else' knows whose public is on your public keyring?
>>>>> If they know whose public keys are on your keyring, they know who you
>>>>> talk to.  You may not wish them to know this.  Depending on who you
>>>>> are and who you talk to, their knowing it could be very dangerous to you.
>>>> You are aware that the *body* of the message is encrypted but the
>>>> *header*, the email address you send to and the email address that you
>>>> send from, and the complete path of all the email servers that the
>>>> emails traveled though, is still open to the world? And that those
>>>> emails are stored on all of those servers. Or at least they used to be
>>>> stored.
>>>>
>>>> Which means that the whole world 'knows' just who you send emails to and
>>>> receive emails from? You are using Thunderbird on a Linux OS.
>>>>
>>>> Select an email that you have sent to your friends, or one that they
>>>> have sent to you, or anyone, and press Ctrl-U to open a new window of
>>>> information. read carefully and closely.
>>>>
>>>> So if some admin of a key-server in some place 'knows' who you is on
>>>> your Public-Keyring for email it is of little importance.
>>>>
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>> This is from your post which was a reply to me that you posted here. As
>> you can see it is of little to no consequence if some one can see your
>> Public Key Ring. I edited the body parts to shorten the post since that
>> had nothing to do with my point here.
>>
>> As for 'someone' spying on you? If 'they' want to do that then they will
>> do that.  :-)
>>
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>> From - Fri Mar 06 20:46:13 2015
>> X-Account-Key: account3
>> X-UIDL: GmailId14bf1e33208c3a47
>> X-Mozilla-Status: 0011
>> X-Mozilla-Status2: 
>> X-Mozilla-Keys:
>>
>> Delivered-To: thetinsm...@gmail.com
>> Received: by 10.27.157.195 with SMTP id g186csp214059wle;
>> Fri, 6 Mar 2015 17:39:34 -0800 (PST)
>> X-Received: by 10.180.105.136 with SMTP id gm8mr140041wib.13.1425692373922;
>> Fri, 06 Mar 2015 17:39:33 -0800 (PST)
>> Return-Path: 
>> Received: from mailman012.mail.hostpoint.ch
>> (mailman012.mail.hostpoint.ch. [2a00:d70:0:e::722])
>> by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id
>> h2si6483710wiv.16.2015.03.06.17.39.31
>> (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128);
>> Fri, 06 Mar 2015 17:39:33 -0800 (PST)
>> Received-SPF: none (google.com: enigmail-users-boun...@enigmail.net does
>> not designate permitted sender hosts) client-ip=2a00:d70:0:e::722;
>> Authentication-Results: mx.google.com;
>>spf=none (google.com: enigmail-users-boun...@enigmail.net does
>> not designate permitted sender ho

Re: [Enigmail] From Circumvention

[Ian Mann]

Sent a message with attachment, but is too large. I was unaware of size limit, 
sorry for the problem.

I was saying Dark Mail addresses the issue of headers I read some time back. 
They have a PDF out now on their system.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20903929/dark-internet-mail-environment-december-2014.pdf



Ian




On 07/03/15 13:00, David wrote:
> On 3/6/2015 8:39 PM, Ian Mann wrote:
>> http://blog.linuxprogrammer.org/How%20to%20Sanitize%20Thunderbird%20and%20Enigmail.html
>>
>> This sanitizes some of the information.
>>
>> Ian
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 07/03/15 11:23, David wrote:
>>> On 3/6/2015 3:37 PM, Phil Stracchino wrote:
>>>> On 03/06/15 15:16, David wrote:
>>>>> I am confused by this request. What difference does it make if
>>>>> 'someone else' knows whose public is on your public keyring?
>>>> If they know whose public keys are on your keyring, they know who you
>>>> talk to.  You may not wish them to know this.  Depending on who you
>>>> are and who you talk to, their knowing it could be very dangerous to you.
>>>
>>> You are aware that the *body* of the message is encrypted but the
>>> *header*, the email address you send to and the email address that you
>>> send from, and the complete path of all the email servers that the
>>> emails traveled though, is still open to the world? And that those
>>> emails are stored on all of those servers. Or at least they used to be
>>> stored.
>>>
>>> Which means that the whole world 'knows' just who you send emails to and
>>> receive emails from? You are using Thunderbird on a Linux OS.
>>>
>>> Select an email that you have sent to your friends, or one that they
>>> have sent to you, or anyone, and press Ctrl-U to open a new window of
>>> information. read carefully and closely.
>>>
>>> So if some admin of a key-server in some place 'knows' who you is on
>>> your Public-Keyring for email it is of little importance.
>>>
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> This is from your post which was a reply to me that you posted here. As
> you can see it is of little to no consequence if some one can see your
> Public Key Ring. I edited the body parts to shorten the post since that
> had nothing to do with my point here.
>
> As for 'someone' spying on you? If 'they' want to do that then they will
> do that.  :-)
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> X-Account-Key: account3
> X-UIDL: GmailId14bf1e33208c3a47
> X-Mozilla-Status: 0011
> X-Mozilla-Status2: 
> X-Mozilla-Keys:
>
> Delivered-To: thetinsm...@gmail.com
> Received: by 10.27.157.195 with SMTP id g186csp214059wle;
> Fri, 6 Mar 2015 17:39:34 -0800 (PST)
> X-Received: by 10.180.105.136 with SMTP id gm8mr140041wib.13.1425692373922;
> Fri, 06 Mar 2015 17:39:33 -0800 (PST)
> Return-Path: 
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> (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128);
> Fri, 06 Mar 2015 17:39:33 -0800 (PST)
> Received-SPF: none (google.com: enigmail-users-boun...@enigmail.net does
> not designate permitted sender hosts) client-ip=2a00:d70:0:e::722;
> Authentication-Results: mx.google.com;
>spf=none (google.com: enigmail-users-boun...@enigmail.net does
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Re: [Enigmail] From Circumvention

[Ian Mann]

http://blog.linuxprogrammer.org/How%20to%20Sanitize%20Thunderbird%20and%20Enigmail.html

This sanitizes some of the information.

Ian




On 07/03/15 11:23, David wrote:
> On 3/6/2015 3:37 PM, Phil Stracchino wrote:
>> On 03/06/15 15:16, David wrote:
>>> I am confused by this request. What difference does it make if
>>> 'someone else' knows whose public is on your public keyring?
>> If they know whose public keys are on your keyring, they know who you
>> talk to.  You may not wish them to know this.  Depending on who you
>> are and who you talk to, their knowing it could be very dangerous to you.
>
>
> You are aware that the *body* of the message is encrypted but the
> *header*, the email address you send to and the email address that you
> send from, and the complete path of all the email servers that the
> emails traveled though, is still open to the world? And that those
> emails are stored on all of those servers. Or at least they used to be
> stored.
>
> Which means that the whole world 'knows' just who you send emails to and
> receive emails from? You are using Thunderbird on a Linux OS.
>
> Select an email that you have sent to your friends, or one that they
> have sent to you, or anyone, and press Ctrl-U to open a new window of
> information. read carefully and closely.
>
> So if some admin of a key-server in some place 'knows' who you is on
> your Public-Keyring for email it is of little importance.
>
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Re: [Enigmail] Certificate signing policy

[Ian Mann]

For folks I correspond with routinely I just accept their certificate, don't 
care if its signed.
Ian


On 04/03/15 17:48, Robert J. Hansen wrote:
> Here at Circumvention I've been surprised by the number of people who
> have been asking me to sign their certificates.  For all that the Web of
> Trust is mostly a broken technology, there are still clearly a lot of
> people who rely on it.  There are also a lot of disconnected, isolated
> communities of privacy enthusiasts who would like to have some way to
> communicate in a trusted way with other communities.
>
> They're hoping that Enigmail will be able to help, since we have a
> certificate set which is widely trusted within the community.  (Set
> aside for right now arguments over whether people *should* trust our
> certificates without doing face-to-face meet-ups and fingerprint
> verifications and everything else; clearly, people *do* trust our
> certificates.)
>
> So, if you see my signature on a certificate, here's what it means.  I have:
>
>   1.  Met this person face-to-face
>   2.  Received their fingerprint from them
>   3.  Received their email address from them
>   4.  Seen at least one form of government-issued
>   identification
> 5.  Verified the email address on their user ID
> matches the email address they gave me
> 6.  Verified the fingerprint on their certificate
> matches the fingerprint they gave me
>
> Finally, I do not upload certificates to the keyservers without the
> certificate owner's permission.
>
>
>
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Re: [Enigmail] From Circumvention

[Ian Mann]

"Enigmail saved my family's life."

That is a real enlightening statement. Living in Australia it's hard to imagine 
what it must be like for some folk in the countries where an email can get you 
arrested. Thanks for that insight. You folks do great work, glad you are 
enjoying the fellowship of the event.

Ian



On 04/03/15 01:44, Robert J. Hansen wrote:
> I'm attending Circumvention in Valencia, Spain right now.  Circumvention
> is a conference for people interested in using technology to circumvent
> oppression, mostly oppressive governments and corporations in the
> developing world.  A particular focus is on technology trainers --
> people who train others in how to effectively use security technologies.
>  Trainers are force multipliers; a good trainer can easily teach 50
> people a month how to use basic privacy and confidentiality tools.
> Multiply that over a year, and you quickly see that one trainer can help
> facilitate an entire cluster of electronic freedom.
>
> My impressions so far:
>
> - The Eniglove is thick, palpable, and real.  I literally have not
>   been able to buy my own beer.  If I was so inclined, I could get
>   stone drunk every night and *still* wind up turning down half the
>   offers of free beer.  I also get random bone-crushing hugs from
>   attractive women and the occasional activist has taken me apart
>   from the crowd to tell me, "Enigmail saved my family's life."
>
> - Everyone it seems has a different take on an Enigmail feature
>   they'd like to see included.  Some of them are just "no, we won't
>   do that" (such as pushing for Enigmail to get integrated wholesale
>   into Thunderbird), some are really easy, and others are worth
>   thinking about.
>
>   Really easy:
>
>   1.  The "Help" button beside "Convenient encryption settings" is
>   sometimes unresponsive.  I saw this bug with my own two eyes
>   (thanks, Dmitri!) and can confirm it.
>
>   2.  There's a huge outcry for a Farsi translation.  The bad news:
>   the people who most need it are unable/unwilling to contribute
>   to it (they need to keep a low profile).  The good news:
>   Localization Lab really wants to help us out with this.
>   See http://www.localizationlab.org/translation/ for an overview
>   of Localization Lab's efforts.  I've got a point of contact
>   there, so we should probably reach out and see what they can do
>   for us.
>
>   3.  The trainers say there's a slight visual difference in how
>   inline messages are composed versus how PGP/MIME messages are
>   composed.  Inline messages are briefly flashed in the compose
>   window in encrypted form before sending, while PGP/MIME
>   messages are not.  It would be good if there were only one
>   behavior, because it sometimes leads to people believing they
>   sent an email unencrypted because when they were in training
>   (using inline PGP) they saw it briefly in encrypted form, but
>   in the real world (using PGP/MIME) they didn't.  I think this
>   is minor, but ... people are serious about it.  One uniform
>   behavior, please.
>
>   4.  If you've disabled encryption and/or signing for a message (when
>   it would normally be present), Enigmail is too polite about it.
>   They'd like to see a red banner or somesuch, warning the user
>   "You have manually disabled encryption and/or signing for this
>   email".  The icons, although accurate, are too easy for newcomers
>   to overlook.
>
>   5.  It should default to encrypting drafts.
>
>
>   Worth thinking about:
>
>   6.  Add an "Easy Revocation Reminder" feature.  When revoking a key,
>   one major problem is convincing one's correspondents to check
>   the keyservers.  Clicking "Easy Revocation Reminder" (needs a
>   better name) would walk through your mail folders accumulating
>   the email addresses of everyone who has sent you encrypted email
>   or anyone you've sent signed email to.  Enigmail would then open
>   a new compose window, with all of these email addresses as bcc,
>   with pre-composed text about how "I have had a key compromise,"
>   blah blah blah.  Allow the user to edit the text how they like,
>   particularly listing a new key to use, and hit "Send" to notify
>   all recipients.
>
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Re: [Enigmail] 1.8 beta

[Ian Mann]

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Many Thanks Ludwig

regards Ian Mann



On 01/03/15 01:19, Ludwig Hügelschäfer wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 28.02.15 14:32, Ian Mann wrote:
> > Would someone be kind enough to send me the link to enigmail 1.8
> > beta again pleas
>
> here it is:
>
> https://www.enigmail.net/download/beta/enigmail-1.8b1-tb+sm.xpi
>
> Ludwig
>
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[Enigmail] 1.8 beta

[Ian Mann]

Would someone be kind enough to send me the link to enigmail 1.8 beta again 
pleas

Ian




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Re: [Enigmail] Enigmail v1.8 Beta 1

[Ian Mann]

Installed fine for me too. Though I use everything set to manual, so I am not 
sure how some of the automatic features might behave. Sent a few emails, and 
all works as expected, thanks for all the hard work, you've done a great job.


Ian



On 27/02/15 09:00, Philip Jackson wrote:
> On 26/02/15 18:36, Patrick Brunschwig wrote:
>> I would appreciate to get as many bugs reported as possible such that
>> we will have a stable release.
>>
>> The package (XPI) is available from
>> https://www.enigmail.net/download/beta/enigmail-1.8b1-tb+sm.xpi
>>
> installed fine - seems good
> Philip
>
>
>
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Re: [Enigmail] Enigmail v1.8 Beta 1

[Ian Mann]

Thanks Patrick, have installed the release. Will let you know if I have any 
issues.

Ian



On 27/02/15 04:36, Patrick Brunschwig wrote:
> I have created the first *beta* release of Enigmail v1.8. It contains
> many changes to the user interface, especially message composition,
> and quite a lot of bugs were fixed.
>
> I would appreciate to get as many bugs reported as possible such that
> we will have a stable release.
>
> The package (XPI) is available from
> https://www.enigmail.net/download/beta/enigmail-1.8b1-tb+sm.xpi
>
> SHA-1:83c755876e41a3e452ab5a4297572ce7816b85cd
>
> -Patrick
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Re: [Enigmail] Cannot sign or decrypt messages

[Ian Mann]

http://muddledramblings.com/macgpg2-step-by-step/

Ian

On 14/02/15 09:41, Juergen Fenn wrote:
> 2015-02-11 16:48 GMT+01:00 Patrick Brunschwig :
>
>> The problem is that the message from GnuPG is very much misleading if
>> gpg-agent cannot launch pinentry. GnuPG reports that the key is not
>> found instead of telling that something went wrong in the interaction
>> between gpg, gpg-agent and pinentry.
>>
>> Please add the following line to gpg-agent.conf
>> pinentry-program /full/path/to/pinentry-...
>>
>> where ... is gtk, gtk2, qt, qt4 or similar (depending on what is
>> installed).
>>
>> Then killall gpg-agent and retry.
> I'm on a Mac with Mavericks 10.9.5, having the same problem as the OP.
> I installed gpg2 and pinentry from MacPorts and edited gpg-agent.conf
> to include the full path to pinentry. This worked after a reboot for
> sending two mails (only encrypted, signing failed), but it stopped
> working completely ever since. When I type gpg-agent in terminal it
> now complains about a bad GPG_AGENT_INFO environment variable. As
> before, gpg2 yields the error message that it cannot find my key. :(
>
> Since it seems I've done everything by the book and since there was a
> discussion about stopping support for gpg1, could you please provide a
> guide explaining how to configure enigmail with gpg2 step by step?
> This would be awesome.
>
> I'd like to start using encryption for email as soon as possible.
> However, it seems this has not been properly tested on the Mac so far.
>
> Thanks,
> Jürgen.
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Re: [Enigmail] Uninstall

[Ian Mann]

https://whyencryptemail.net/

Jim,

I used this web site when I installed Thunderbird and enigmail.
The steps were straight forward. However, someone may have better instructions 
that match your device and email client.

Ian


On 11/02/15 09:39, Jim wrote:
> Hello,
> I work with the State and they are having trouble sending and receiving
> email messages to me. Please give me updated instructions on installing
> Enigmail?
> Thank you,
> Jim
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