Re: [Enigmail] spontaneous change of message status

2015-03-16 Thread Philip Jackson
On 16/03/15 08:40, Patrick Brunschwig wrote:
 On 14.03.15 17:39, Philip Jackson wrote:
 On 14/03/15 15:22, Patrick Brunschwig wrote:
 On 13.03.15 20:06, Philip Jackson wrote:
 On 13/03/15 17:16, Patrick Brunschwig wrote:
 On 13.03.15 15:45, Philip Jackson wrote:
 For this spontaneous change to occur, one needs these 
 factors to exist :

 1. the 'To' field is in red type (with a red cursor)
 2. the 'To' field must be completed and not left blank
 3. the spontaneous change in message status occurs
 around five or six minutes into the creation of the
 email - the body can be blank or partly filled.

 Could it be triggered by auto-saving a draft message?

 Thanks Patrick - you're spot on !  After all the years of
 using it, I didn't even know Thunderbird did periodic
 backups.  I've never seen a backup directory in the file
 system nor in the profiles. However, it was doing a backup
 every 5 minutes.

 I was rather inexact in the original description above.
 Only the different check box is ticked.  The change in the
 displayed message status and the icons on the enigmail
 toolbar doesn't happen until I click 'ok'.

 What I don't understand is why sometimes I get a red 
 cursor/ text in the 'To' field and sometimes black.  I
 can provoke a red address field entry by making any
 address incomplete but my address for enigmail-users
 seems correct and complete.

 That's Thunderbird behavior - nothing Enigmail
 influences and nothing Enigmail could do to improve it.

 True.  But I still don't understand why sometimes
 Thunderbird considers the To address broken.  The emails
 always arrive at destination ok.  And it is not consistent
 for any given address.

 But I do consider that a spontaneous change to
 established message conditions should not occur.

 Agreed

 The change induced by Thunderbird seems to be one way only
 : sign - encrypt. It doesn't reverse itself back to 'sign
 only' after a further backup period. But if you reset to
 'sign only', after another backup period, it flips again to
 encrypt.

 I'm trying to reproduce it, but so far didn't succeed. What
 are your account settings and other rules when this happens?


 My account settings on OpenPGP Security : enable PGP support,
 Use specific PGP key, sign by default, PGP/MIME by default,
 sign non encrypted messages, sign encrypted messages, encrypt
 draft messages on saving.

 Nothing set under account settings Security.

 Enigmail preferences / Sending = Convenient encryption
 settings, Key Selection : By Per-recipient, By email addresses

 For this to happen when writing an email :

 1. Thunderbird preferences/Composition/General : check
 autosave (every 5 minutes), confirm when using keyboard
 shortcuts, check for missing attachments 2. 'To' field in email
 must be red.  This happens at random for any given email
 address but I can provoke it by breaking the address.  (I
 assumed the red indicated that Thunderbird considered the
 address broken ) 3.  The 'To' field must have an entry 4. The
 enigmail setting for that email must be 'sign only'

 Then just sit and wait for five minutes while checking the
 enigmail toolbar button from time to time.

 I still cannot reproduce it. Could you send me a debug log file
 (menu Enigmail  Debugging Options  View Log)?

 
 sent to you at your address.
 
 Apart from the Thunderbird peculiarity of turning the address field
 red (even though the address is already in my address book since
 years), it looks like the tick box flips from 'sign' to 'encrypt'
 when Thunderbird auto-saves a copy of the mail being prepared for
 sending.
 
 Unless the sender actually clicks on the enigmail button in the
 enigmail toolbar and also clicks on ok, this autosave process
 doesn't actually affect the final email status when it is sent.  If
 it was originally 'sign' only, that is the way it gets sent.  The
 encrypt only affects the auto-backup, as far as I can tell.
 
 This should be fixed with the latest nightly build.
 
Looks ok with 16 March nightly
Philip



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Re: [Enigmail] spontaneous change of message status

2015-03-16 Thread Patrick Brunschwig
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On 14.03.15 17:39, Philip Jackson wrote:
 On 14/03/15 15:22, Patrick Brunschwig wrote:
 On 13.03.15 20:06, Philip Jackson wrote:
 On 13/03/15 17:16, Patrick Brunschwig wrote:
 On 13.03.15 15:45, Philip Jackson wrote:
 For this spontaneous change to occur, one needs these 
 factors to exist :
 
 1. the 'To' field is in red type (with a red cursor)
 2. the 'To' field must be completed and not left blank
 3. the spontaneous change in message status occurs
 around five or six minutes into the creation of the
 email - the body can be blank or partly filled.
 
 Could it be triggered by auto-saving a draft message?
 
 Thanks Patrick - you're spot on !  After all the years of
 using it, I didn't even know Thunderbird did periodic
 backups.  I've never seen a backup directory in the file
 system nor in the profiles. However, it was doing a backup
 every 5 minutes.
 
 I was rather inexact in the original description above.
 Only the different check box is ticked.  The change in the
 displayed message status and the icons on the enigmail
 toolbar doesn't happen until I click 'ok'.
 
 What I don't understand is why sometimes I get a red 
 cursor/ text in the 'To' field and sometimes black.  I
 can provoke a red address field entry by making any
 address incomplete but my address for enigmail-users
 seems correct and complete.
 
 That's Thunderbird behavior - nothing Enigmail
 influences and nothing Enigmail could do to improve it.
 
 True.  But I still don't understand why sometimes
 Thunderbird considers the To address broken.  The emails
 always arrive at destination ok.  And it is not consistent
 for any given address.
 
 But I do consider that a spontaneous change to
 established message conditions should not occur.
 
 Agreed
 
 The change induced by Thunderbird seems to be one way only
 : sign - encrypt. It doesn't reverse itself back to 'sign
 only' after a further backup period. But if you reset to
 'sign only', after another backup period, it flips again to
 encrypt.
 
 I'm trying to reproduce it, but so far didn't succeed. What
 are your account settings and other rules when this happens?
 
 
 My account settings on OpenPGP Security : enable PGP support,
 Use specific PGP key, sign by default, PGP/MIME by default,
 sign non encrypted messages, sign encrypted messages, encrypt
 draft messages on saving.
 
 Nothing set under account settings Security.
 
 Enigmail preferences / Sending = Convenient encryption
 settings, Key Selection : By Per-recipient, By email addresses
 
 For this to happen when writing an email :
 
 1. Thunderbird preferences/Composition/General : check
 autosave (every 5 minutes), confirm when using keyboard
 shortcuts, check for missing attachments 2. 'To' field in email
 must be red.  This happens at random for any given email
 address but I can provoke it by breaking the address.  (I
 assumed the red indicated that Thunderbird considered the
 address broken ) 3.  The 'To' field must have an entry 4. The
 enigmail setting for that email must be 'sign only'
 
 Then just sit and wait for five minutes while checking the
 enigmail toolbar button from time to time.
 
 I still cannot reproduce it. Could you send me a debug log file
 (menu Enigmail  Debugging Options  View Log)?
 
 
 sent to you at your address.
 
 Apart from the Thunderbird peculiarity of turning the address field
 red (even though the address is already in my address book since
 years), it looks like the tick box flips from 'sign' to 'encrypt'
 when Thunderbird auto-saves a copy of the mail being prepared for
 sending.
 
 Unless the sender actually clicks on the enigmail button in the
 enigmail toolbar and also clicks on ok, this autosave process
 doesn't actually affect the final email status when it is sent.  If
 it was originally 'sign' only, that is the way it gets sent.  The
 encrypt only affects the auto-backup, as far as I can tell.

This should be fixed with the latest nightly build.

- -Patrick

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Re: [Enigmail] spontaneous change of message status

2015-03-15 Thread Patrick Brunschwig
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On 14.03.15 17:39, Philip Jackson wrote:
 
 sent to you at your address.
 
 Apart from the Thunderbird peculiarity of turning the address field
 red (even though the address is already in my address book since
 years), it looks like the tick box flips from 'sign' to 'encrypt'
 when Thunderbird auto-saves a copy of the mail being prepared for
 sending.
 
 Unless the sender actually clicks on the enigmail button in the
 enigmail toolbar and also clicks on ok, this autosave process
 doesn't actually affect the final email status when it is sent.  If
 it was originally 'sign' only, that is the way it gets sent.  The
 encrypt only affects the auto-backup, as far as I can tell.

As far as I can tell, I actually disagree. Debugging the code, it
looks like the defaults get overwritten which may lead to unexpected
behavior.
I will fix this before v1.8 gets out of the door.

- -Patrick

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Re: [Enigmail] spontaneous change of message status

2015-03-13 Thread Philip Jackson
On 13/03/15 17:16, Patrick Brunschwig wrote:
 On 13.03.15 15:45, Philip Jackson wrote:
 For this spontaneous change to occur, one needs these factors
 to exist :

 1. the 'To' field is in red type (with a red cursor) 2. the
 'To' field must be completed and not left blank 3. the
 spontaneous change in message status occurs around five or six
 minutes into the creation of the email - the body can be blank
 or partly filled.

 Could it be triggered by auto-saving a draft message?
 
 Thanks Patrick - you're spot on !  After all the years of using it,
 I didn't even know Thunderbird did periodic backups.  I've never
 seen a backup directory in the file system nor in the profiles.
 However, it was doing a backup every 5 minutes.
 
 I was rather inexact in the original description above.  Only the
 different check box is ticked.  The change in the displayed message
 status and the icons on the enigmail toolbar doesn't happen until I
 click 'ok'.
 
 What I don't understand is why sometimes I get a red cursor/
 text in the 'To' field and sometimes black.  I can provoke a
 red address field entry by making any address incomplete but my
 address for enigmail-users seems correct and complete.

 That's Thunderbird behavior - nothing Enigmail influences and
 nothing Enigmail could do to improve it.
 
 True.  But I still don't understand why sometimes Thunderbird
 considers the To address broken.  The emails always arrive at
 destination ok.  And it is not consistent for any given address.
 
 But I do consider that a spontaneous change to established
 message conditions should not occur.

 Agreed
 
 The change induced by Thunderbird seems to be one way only : sign
 - encrypt. It doesn't reverse itself back to 'sign only' after a
 further backup period. But if you reset to 'sign only', after
 another backup period, it flips again to encrypt.
 
 I'm trying to reproduce it, but so far didn't succeed. What are your
 account settings and other rules when this happens?
 

My account settings on OpenPGP Security : enable PGP support, Use specific PGP
key, sign by default, PGP/MIME by default, sign non encrypted messages, sign
encrypted messages, encrypt draft messages on saving.

Nothing set under account settings Security.

Enigmail preferences / Sending = Convenient encryption settings,
Key Selection : By Per-recipient, By email addresses

For this to happen when writing an email :

1. Thunderbird preferences/Composition/General : check autosave (every 5
minutes), confirm when using keyboard shortcuts, check for missing attachments
2. 'To' field in email must be red.  This happens at random for any given email
address but I can provoke it by breaking the address.  (I assumed the red
indicated that Thunderbird considered the address broken )
3.  The 'To' field must have an entry
4. The enigmail setting for that email must be 'sign only'

Then just sit and wait for five minutes while checking the enigmail toolbar
button from time to time.

Hope this helps,
Philip



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Re: [Enigmail] spontaneous change of message status

2015-03-13 Thread Matthew Woehlke
On 2015-03-13 10:45, Philip Jackson wrote:
 On 13/03/15 08:28, Patrick Brunschwig wrote:
 On 12.03.15 20:38, Philip Jackson wrote:
 Using Thunderbird 31.5.0 with Enigmail version 1.8a1pre
 (20150312-0013) on linux.

 snip

 For this spontaneous change to occur, one needs these factors to
 exist :

 1. the 'To' field is in red type (with a red cursor) 
 2. the 'To' field must be completed and not left blank 
 3. the spontaneous change in message status occurs around five or six 
 minutes into the
 creation of the email - the body can be blank or partly filled.

 Could it be triggered by auto-saving a draft message?
 
 Thanks Patrick - you're spot on !  After all the years of using it, I didn't
 even know Thunderbird did periodic backups.  I've never seen a backup 
 directory
 in the file system nor in the profiles.  However, it was doing a backup every 
 5
 minutes.

(Draft mails go in a local drafts folder that presumably is stored the
same way as any other mail folder. You can also view the folder from
within TB, same as any other.)

 Further testing shows pretty well that the automatic backup is linked with a
 change in the settings in the Enigmail Encryption and Settings dialog box.
 Prior to the backup interval, only the sign check box was ticked.  After the
 backup interval, the encrypt box was ticked and the sign box was blank.

The message becoming encrypted may be a symptom of drafts being saved
encrypted. This *ought* to be decoupled from whether or not the message
is ultimately *sent* encrypted, but I'd believe a bug exists here.

I might also believe that signing is the same way; probably the draft is
not signed (that seems rather silly, after all). Again, this *ought* to
be decoupled from how the message is finally sent, but...

 The change induced by Thunderbird seems to be one way only : sign - encrypt. 
 It
 doesn't reverse itself back to 'sign only' after a further backup period. But 
 if
 you reset to 'sign only', after another backup period, it flips again to 
 encrypt.

That isn't surprising if what's happening is the settings for how the
draft is saved are overwriting how you've asked the mail to be sent...

-- 
Matthew


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Re: [Enigmail] spontaneous change of message status

2015-03-13 Thread Patrick Brunschwig
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On 12.03.15 20:38, Philip Jackson wrote:
 Using Thunderbird 31.5.0 with Enigmail version 1.8a1pre
 (20150312-0013) on linux.
 
 Recently, I've been paying a lot of attention to the new interface
 in enigmail especially the enigmail toolbar when writing emails.
 From time to time, I've had the impression that a message which
 started out as 'This message will be signed' with only the 'sign
 message' check box checked in the Enigmail Encryption and Signing
 Settings box, has changed itself without my intervention to 'This
 message will be encrypted' with the 'Encrypt Message' box ticked 
 instead of the 'sign message' box.
 
 I've spent a little time this evening trying to track it down.
 (and incidentally, it has just happened in this message).  I do not
 understand exactly why it's happening but I've found a couple of
 parameters involved.
 
 For this spontaneous change to occur, one needs these factors to
 exist :
 
 1. the 'To' field is in red type (with a red cursor) 2. the 'To'
 field must be completed and not left blank 3. the spontaneous
 change in message status occurs around five or six minutes into the
 creation of the email - the body can be blank or partly filled.

Could it be triggered by auto-saving a draft message?

 What I don't understand is why sometimes I get a red cursor/ text
 in the 'To' field and sometimes black.  I can provoke a red address
 field entry by making any address incomplete but my address for
 enigmail-users seems correct and complete.

That's Thunderbird behavior - nothing Enigmail influences and nothing
Enigmail could do to improve it.

 Anyway - that is what I've found.  If anyone can shed any light on
 this 'happening', I would be pleased.
 
 But I do consider that a spontaneous change to established message
 conditions should not occur.

Agreed

- -Patrick

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Re: [Enigmail] spontaneous change of message status

2015-03-13 Thread Patrick Brunschwig
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On 13.03.15 15:45, Philip Jackson wrote:
 For this spontaneous change to occur, one needs these factors
 to exist :
 
 1. the 'To' field is in red type (with a red cursor) 2. the
 'To' field must be completed and not left blank 3. the
 spontaneous change in message status occurs around five or six
 minutes into the creation of the email - the body can be blank
 or partly filled.
 
 Could it be triggered by auto-saving a draft message?
 
 Thanks Patrick - you're spot on !  After all the years of using it,
 I didn't even know Thunderbird did periodic backups.  I've never
 seen a backup directory in the file system nor in the profiles.
 However, it was doing a backup every 5 minutes.
 
 I was rather inexact in the original description above.  Only the
 different check box is ticked.  The change in the displayed message
 status and the icons on the enigmail toolbar doesn't happen until I
 click 'ok'.
 
 What I don't understand is why sometimes I get a red cursor/
 text in the 'To' field and sometimes black.  I can provoke a
 red address field entry by making any address incomplete but my
 address for enigmail-users seems correct and complete.
 
 That's Thunderbird behavior - nothing Enigmail influences and
 nothing Enigmail could do to improve it.
 
 True.  But I still don't understand why sometimes Thunderbird
 considers the To address broken.  The emails always arrive at
 destination ok.  And it is not consistent for any given address.
 
 But I do consider that a spontaneous change to established
 message conditions should not occur.
 
 Agreed
 
 The change induced by Thunderbird seems to be one way only : sign
 - encrypt. It doesn't reverse itself back to 'sign only' after a
 further backup period. But if you reset to 'sign only', after
 another backup period, it flips again to encrypt.

I'm trying to reproduce it, but so far didn't succeed. What are your
account settings and other rules when this happens?

- -Patrick
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Re: [Enigmail] spontaneous change of message status

2015-03-13 Thread David
On 3/13/2015 3:28 AM, Patrick Brunschwig wrote:
 On 12.03.15 20:38, Philip Jackson wrote:
 Using Thunderbird 31.5.0 with Enigmail version 1.8a1pre
 (20150312-0013) on linux.
 
 Recently, I've been paying a lot of attention to the new interface
 in enigmail especially the enigmail toolbar when writing emails.
 From time to time, I've had the impression that a message which
 started out as 'This message will be signed' with only the 'sign
 message' check box checked in the Enigmail Encryption and Signing
 Settings box, has changed itself without my intervention to 'This
 message will be encrypted' with the 'Encrypt Message' box ticked 
 instead of the 'sign message' box.
 
 I've spent a little time this evening trying to track it down.
 (and incidentally, it has just happened in this message).  I do not
 understand exactly why it's happening but I've found a couple of
 parameters involved.
 
 For this spontaneous change to occur, one needs these factors to
 exist :
 
 1. the 'To' field is in red type (with a red cursor) 2. the 'To'
 field must be completed and not left blank 3. the spontaneous
 change in message status occurs around five or six minutes into the
 creation of the email - the body can be blank or partly filled.
 
 Could it be triggered by auto-saving a draft message?
 
 What I don't understand is why sometimes I get a red cursor/ text
 in the 'To' field and sometimes black.  I can provoke a red address
 field entry by making any address incomplete but my address for
 enigmail-users seems correct and complete.
 
 That's Thunderbird behavior - nothing Enigmail influences and nothing
 Enigmail could do to improve it.
 
 Anyway - that is what I've found.  If anyone can shed any light on
 this 'happening', I would be pleased.
 
 But I do consider that a spontaneous change to established message
 conditions should not occur.
 
 Agreed
 
 -Patrick



Excuse me.  Could be this.

Bug 1042561 - Addressing autocomplete widget: Typed text in red despite
results/matches found if suggestions change by last input 

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1042561

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  David



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[Enigmail] spontaneous change of message status

2015-03-12 Thread Philip Jackson
Using Thunderbird 31.5.0 with Enigmail version 1.8a1pre (20150312-0013) on 
linux.

Recently, I've been paying a lot of attention to the new interface in enigmail
especially the enigmail toolbar when writing emails.  From time to time, I've
had the impression that a message which started out as 'This message will be
signed' with only the 'sign message' check box checked in the Enigmail
Encryption and Signing Settings box, has changed itself without my intervention
to 'This message will be encrypted' with the 'Encrypt Message' box ticked
instead of the 'sign message' box.

I've spent a little time this evening trying to track it down.  (and
incidentally, it has just happened in this message).  I do not understand
exactly why it's happening but I've found a couple of parameters involved.

For this spontaneous change to occur, one needs these factors to exist :

1. the 'To' field is in red type (with a red cursor)
2. the 'To' field must be completed and not left blank
3. the spontaneous change in message status occurs around five or six minutes
into the creation of the email - the body can be blank or partly filled.

What I don't understand is why sometimes I get a red cursor/ text in the 'To'
field and sometimes black.  I can provoke a red address field entry by making
any address incomplete but my address for enigmail-users seems correct and 
complete.

Anyway - that is what I've found.  If anyone can shed any light on this
'happening', I would be pleased.

But I do consider that a spontaneous change to established message conditions
should not occur.

Philip



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