Re: [Enigmail] strange logic re keys information
On 28/08/14 21:21, Ludwig Hügelschäfer wrote: >> Ludwig, >> > >> > I've not seen any further events of this type since I changed to >> > the nightly build (above) but the difficulty is that most of the >> > people writing on the lists are the same and I already have their >> > keys. > To test again, you could delete their keys from your keyring, so > reselecting their messages later or the day after > Sorry, I forgot to say but I did try that. I found that if a key is deleted, and the message is selected, the enigmail header is still displayed as for example " untrusted good signature from " but the Details/View key properties does NOT bring up the key details. You can select other mails and come back to the one whose key was deleted and the View key properties still does NOT work. However, if you close Thunderbird and restart and then select the email, gpg collects the key and Details/View Key properties works fine. Deleting a key makes this test somewhat artificial and I'm not sure if you would expect enigmail to display key properties without restarting Thunderbird. It would perhaps be nice if it did so but I think the restarting Thunderbird case is perhaps more representative. What do you think ? Philip signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ enigmail-users mailing list enigmail-users@enigmail.net To unsubscribe or make changes to your subscription click here: https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net
Re: [Enigmail] strange logic re keys information
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 27.08.14 15:31, Philip Jackson wrote: > Ludwig, > > I've not seen any further events of this type since I changed to > the nightly build (above) but the difficulty is that most of the > people writing on the lists are the same and I already have their > keys. To test again, you could delete their keys from your keyring, so reselecting their messages later or the day after > However, today, I had an instance where there was no enigmail > header but the email contained the typical text of gpg signature at > the end. Before my eyes, I saw appear the "untrusted good > signature header" and when I clicked on Details/View key > properties, there were all the normal infos. Ok that's good to hear. > I checked in the debug log and saw that gpg had been to the > keyservers to collect a missing key for this email. I still don't > use enigmail's preferences/keyserver option to collect missing keys > but I do use gpg.conf. > > Clearly in this case, the key was collected by gpg and the updated > keyring was re-read by enigmail before displaying the enigmail > header. > > So it is beginning to look like the problem does not exist now. Good :-) But please look out for this and other sorts of misbehaviour. We intend to release 1.7.1 soon. Thanks! Ludwig -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJT/4EiAAoJEA52XAUJWdLjMXQH/0wCODN8Elk13kw1PK7txC63 jY4ULAtcpDYXbvYlOA72TBso4Qu1s7U/E+AupaoZq+3Sei78VGixn4/WRHyLx3VX hVaoL074hVxCOA/I6j/qwL6qhnD5LETyRjCvWAinQvfHcDMkp418IqLB0n2W4xqt bXlJTXUB2v0uV4W/nLxADXCxM/glGR98uzmT8LU11WGqtrONqXbuOuz3CSpcJzNK CoDSQdn7TkytZ9WfoXK2GXbnPq0SM3juGeTMAK1zfOkW1f4tDjKjJ+eqSbKtSm7s +0oZ0e9oDl4xGEScH5xabPpFcL51abUcVcTf01eFqqBuE8ZmK4nRMC2qhB5TwEQ= =lwMn -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ enigmail-users mailing list enigmail-users@enigmail.net To unsubscribe or make changes to your subscription click here: https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net
Re: [Enigmail] strange logic re keys information
On 24/08/14 17:03, Philip Jackson wrote: > On 24/08/14 16:34, Ludwig Hügelschäfer wrote: >> On 17.08.14 15:06, Ludwig Hügelschäfer wrote: >>> JFTR: I have opened ticket 310 >>> (https://sourceforge.net/p/enigmail/bugs/310/) for this issue. > .. >> >> I cannot reproduce this any more. Even high stress on gpg in the >> background (like on my first sight importing keys did trigger >> check-trustdb) did not cause Enigmail to fail again. >> >> Philip, would you mind trying to install a nightly version of Enigmail >> (https://www.enigmail.net/download/nightly.php) and see if it happens >> to you again? >> >> I have left the bug open, but did set importance to "minor". >> > > I've just installed latest nightly build - > >> build date: 2014-08-24, version: 1.8a1pre, git rev: >> e4b0addf0919594fbd4706425c6f54bfe0bbfe4d > > We'll see how it goes - and if I get another example I'll let you know. Ludwig, I've not seen any further events of this type since I changed to the nightly build (above) but the difficulty is that most of the people writing on the lists are the same and I already have their keys. However, today, I had an instance where there was no enigmail header but the email contained the typical text of gpg signature at the end. Before my eyes, I saw appear the "untrusted good signature header" and when I clicked on Details/View key properties, there were all the normal infos. I checked in the debug log and saw that gpg had been to the keyservers to collect a missing key for this email. I still don't use enigmail's preferences/keyserver option to collect missing keys but I do use gpg.conf. Clearly in this case, the key was collected by gpg and the updated keyring was re-read by enigmail before displaying the enigmail header. So it is beginning to look like the problem does not exist now. Philip 0x23543A63.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ enigmail-users mailing list enigmail-users@enigmail.net To unsubscribe or make changes to your subscription click here: https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net
Re: [Enigmail] strange logic re keys information
On 24/08/14 16:34, Ludwig Hügelschäfer wrote: > On 17.08.14 15:06, Ludwig Hügelschäfer wrote: >> JFTR: I have opened ticket 310 >> (https://sourceforge.net/p/enigmail/bugs/310/) for this issue. .. > > I cannot reproduce this any more. Even high stress on gpg in the > background (like on my first sight importing keys did trigger > check-trustdb) did not cause Enigmail to fail again. > > Philip, would you mind trying to install a nightly version of Enigmail > (https://www.enigmail.net/download/nightly.php) and see if it happens > to you again? > > I have left the bug open, but did set importance to "minor". > I've just installed latest nightly build - > build date: 2014-08-24, version: 1.8a1pre, git rev: > e4b0addf0919594fbd4706425c6f54bfe0bbfe4d We'll see how it goes - and if I get another example I'll let you know. Philip 0x23543A63.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ enigmail-users mailing list enigmail-users@enigmail.net To unsubscribe or make changes to your subscription click here: https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net
Re: [Enigmail] strange logic re keys information
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 17.08.14 15:06, Ludwig Hügelschäfer wrote: > JFTR: I have opened ticket 310 > (https://sourceforge.net/p/enigmail/bugs/310/) for this issue. > > Thanks for reporting. I cannot reproduce this any more. Even high stress on gpg in the background (like on my first sight importing keys did trigger check-trustdb) did not cause Enigmail to fail again. Philip, would you mind trying to install a nightly version of Enigmail (https://www.enigmail.net/download/nightly.php) and see if it happens to you again? I have left the bug open, but did set importance to "minor". Ludwig -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJT+ffiAAoJEA52XAUJWdLjfv0H/i1nQmxiPac9IO+41I0lQMCj 7LtkwDC6WFnmpd0qb69g1++rE24SG+9sjVO5w4PYnjxytTcIM1J+wCMrUp/Dhp0/ i3ifQ7TyOWkUoGTHirnCnmscarhuu6mxrXIopQoeMNYeo2LeYosSbg/mo232m5Po TV9OK1mr0sM9H4zXq+XCnmf7KVAH6SjmH3k9sIuv/uEpD+WOYv6jvJtKtLTgaGI7 eUMYvHMSP1eL7A7X7dcR/ku/zPKmz7730+ThmCBIGrf3FdHgAJFdSxNYOmaPmJZk Fw4VhDv9JtxnSmwa+pYaA2JHsyUzgrysBmB7fgn0vt+oQClBMLWGiHwbifaKpZ8= =TmvC -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ enigmail-users mailing list enigmail-users@enigmail.net To unsubscribe or make changes to your subscription click here: https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net
Re: [Enigmail] strange logic re keys information
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 JFTR: I have opened ticket 310 (https://sourceforge.net/p/enigmail/bugs/310/) for this issue. Thanks for reporting. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJT8KjXAAoJEA52XAUJWdLjTh0H/3yqiLGm3ycm10IvhBaP+jeK kZYJyDDEQ8FIAj44Hr6jP3Agc8m9KGYNfzSmFhrO6E41YhcrJTdbnJOiLfAHv3b5 ZL9HyUksbZf3l4+wdgjs0msyErfHh5R4WS4s5lh2rNg46sgNNj7mLJT7EYxPbCzg XE7ZHukeSw2R7QodPXVEjM6LVbZBQOqJnRKjoC+tiKkTiwqnf4PSzFZ299b1dQEi e5blz67x/HwxUVKdt8poljdsvR1DByA+m0YdiCoJgxqKEO/f9jxub6BClWWnPH0z 84sKkjnOTMppVfpR9pp7qUZy9Csd3VBr8eUxmhT/24/HW69v4xe3hDnFvcoLy2o= =iviz -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ enigmail-users mailing list enigmail-users@enigmail.net To unsubscribe or make changes to your subscription click here: https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net
Re: [Enigmail] strange logic re keys information
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 14.08.14 14:13, Philip Jackson wrote: > I would be happy to send you the file but would prefer it to be off > list. Please send the debug file encrypted to Patrick and me. Thanks! Ludwig -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJT7PKvAAoJEA52XAUJWdLj0/cIAK0s9NJX4a8tLwOHhC/14VYv +I274F6mIiXPCCXcUc6Inap12egDqVPHaXFLkYbSowVIM1v2kqKCTPMYA7Ulozhu bsUN7cvY4j6OK8HA60rPVyVjRT/YtNj+hv7vxzhciBrBF8rUFIWyvB1SF77Wgl4y U+CRmWx78lDT9iSjPxcfW0IpTyLDgbZXponjsATCzX+zZdYL5Z2y53xKPR7Bv5i2 VwefHxrmhZVlvTsKOt3LTZKht4shBHlt1m8jSCpyKQ1mV0c4H+CjgvOC+VhqFLo1 RiKeiO710SgH9Liy5vDP+LQMUawDdjOiEetqIBf8i1QY/26WVM2qEXb2hum0fsQ= =Kd2o -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ enigmail-users mailing list enigmail-users@enigmail.net To unsubscribe or make changes to your subscription click here: https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net
Re: [Enigmail] strange logic re keys information
On 13/08/14 19:59, Ludwig Hügelschäfer wrote: > If it's not reproducible, please watch out for further occurences and > try to note the circumstances and report here. Ludwig : it has happened again with a different email, another person whose key was not in my keyring. The behavior was exactly as described in my previous mail (the first one). This time I've got the enigdbug.txt file. The file shows that enigmail did download the public key using the first named of the standard set of keyservers in the preferences/keyservers tab although I had not filled in the subsequent field nominating a particular keyserver. Is this normal ? Somehow enigmail did not catch up with the fact that that particular key had been received. Key manager when opened independently had not been updated. I exited Thunderbird, saved the debug file and restarted. This time that key was visible in key manager. I would be happy to send you the file but would prefer it to be off list. Please let me know. Philip 0x23543A63.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ enigmail-users mailing list enigmail-users@enigmail.net To unsubscribe or make changes to your subscription click here: https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net
Re: [Enigmail] strange logic re keys information
On 13/08/14 19:59, Ludwig Hügelschäfer wrote: > On 13.08.14 11:49, Philip Jackson wrote: >> [No display of signing key] > > Your whole description reads as if Enigmail respectively the > underlying gnupg thinks, it has the key, but for some unknown reason > can't display it. > Yes it seems to have thought it had the key but it did not. > The expected behaviour for Enigmail is to display a _yellow_ ribbon > when the signing key is not locally available and offer to download > it, not to examine/sign/etc. > > Did some other application - even in the background - try to access > your gnupg keyring at that time? > The only other applications running were Firefox and keepassX (which I use to auto-type passphrase for pinentry) > Could you please try to open/view the same mail again and try to > reproduce this behaviour? If yes, please enable logging within > Enigmail and send us the debug log. Instructions on how to do this can > be found here: https://www.enigmail.net/support/bugs.php (lower half). > Sorry - that mail has gone. I thought the debug log would be there because I had defined a logging directory some time ago. However, I made a mistake and entered the directory as '~/philip/enigmail' and the logfile did not get created. (I forgot to check at the time.) I have now defined the log directory as '/home/philip/enigmail' and the logfile has been created (I just checked) > If it's not reproducible, please watch out for further occurences and > try to note the circumstances and report here. Will do ! Philip 0x23543A63.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ enigmail-users mailing list enigmail-users@enigmail.net To unsubscribe or make changes to your subscription click here: https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net
Re: [Enigmail] strange logic re keys information
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 13.08.14 11:49, Philip Jackson wrote: > [No display of signing key] Your whole description reads as if Enigmail respectively the underlying gnupg thinks, it has the key, but for some unknown reason can't display it. The expected behaviour for Enigmail is to display a _yellow_ ribbon when the signing key is not locally available and offer to download it, not to examine/sign/etc. Did some other application - even in the background - try to access your gnupg keyring at that time? Could you please try to open/view the same mail again and try to reproduce this behaviour? If yes, please enable logging within Enigmail and send us the debug log. Instructions on how to do this can be found here: https://www.enigmail.net/support/bugs.php (lower half). If it's not reproducible, please watch out for further occurences and try to note the circumstances and report here. Thanks! Ludwig -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJT66eKAAoJEA52XAUJWdLjcoUH/2b3U/09n0av5V3OiGZLWOOI XcuXwnGUBUgdQR5/BE5QxJ+fDnK/RSJt5op9HVidCqDTKR55GuAbZ958zYQskGm5 c9r78dSCB8FS1HoAxc4uk2AhcRdzLzbpczaK/C2qXYy5JvubtyMWphhhb7V4Dya+ btA1ouzcBhypydm3tM/4Lb+QMqefBfBmASzfCquKjqRbPWG2Mo1EMAT8vQSg8IJj u/9HoUIknRd49+u1Y0Mp6LNc07Z71CBBWX6N5m6VlIvgePsK5Dt4OJJKg0vGYRVS h+UorcEl6swjF4DalLNN/2aY5+eoVVX6u30Y7g12minRl07O5EM7LMZTU7kxYaY= =Dhdl -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ enigmail-users mailing list enigmail-users@enigmail.net To unsubscribe or make changes to your subscription click here: https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net
