Re: [E-devel] Linux subsystem on windows

2019-01-22 Thread Felipe Magno de Almeida 
BTW, if you're really willing to do the work, when you prove it is
feasible, maybe you could get some help from Microsoft ($$$?). They
were trying to get distros involved in their Linux Subsystem. Don't
know if they offered any money for it, though.

On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 11:25 AM Felipe Magno de Almeida
 wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 4:05 AM Vincent Torri  wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 6:53 PM Jonathan Aquilina
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > That’s another way things could go but how would you interact and restyle 
> > > the windows windows lol
> >
> > like E does...
> >
> > If you are interested in the Windows port, then help me for the EFL :-)
>
> The Windows native applications are not going to talk to you. They
> will just happily drawn themselves through Win32 API and GDI.
>
> However, I do like the idea of having Linux applications being managed
> by E. Though I doubt the X11-way is a good idea. I think the only
> viable, but which I'm not willing to help now, would be through
> wayland. Because in Wayland, E already does almost everything anyway.
> It may just CreateWindowEx with the correct sizes and draw on them.
> Get Input from it through its Message Loop. Only problem is that all
> GUI windows will be under the same PID.
>
> > Vincent
>
> Regards,
>
> > > Get Outlook for iOS
> > >
> > > 
> > > From: Vincent Torri 
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 10:48
> > > To: Enlightenment developer list
> > > Subject: Re: [E-devel] Linux subsystem on windows
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 10:43 AM Felipe Magno de Almeida
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 6:39 PM Vincent Torri  
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 10:33 AM Felipe Magno de Almeida
> > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 6:12 PM Vincent Torri 
> > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 10:06 AM Felipe Magno de Almeida
> > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 5:40 PM Jonathan Aquilina
> > > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I say why not. I am willing to work on it slowly slowly.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > My question becomes do we have any stats of enlightenement 
> > > > > > > > > usage by windows users?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Considering it is completely impossible to use enlightenment on
> > > > > > > > Windows
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > not impossible, but really difficult
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I would like to mention that in the late 90's, a Windows NT port 
> > > > > > > of E
> > > > > > > 0.14 or 0.15 has been done, called e-sense (I have the sources
> > > > > > > somewhere on my HD). It was using Litestep for the windows 
> > > > > > > management.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I meant impossible now. I mentioned the possibility of porting 
> > > > > > Enlightenment
> > > > > > wayland. I think it is probably easier than trying to use X11. 
> > > > > > However, you
> > > > > > would end up with Enlightenment as an application with all 
> > > > > > applications
> > > > > > inside.
> > > > >
> > > > > the current desktop shell of Windows is a fullscreen application with
> > > > > all the applications inside
> > > >
> > > > Yes. But then Windows applications do not work the same way as
> > > > Linux ones would. It would be fine for people only using Linux
> > > > applications. Maybe we could have a wayland that actually creates
> > > > normal CreateWindowsEx for their clients, but that is a lot of work.
> > >
> > > i was having another idea, which would make all the Windows
> > > sapplications behave like the ones in a Unix WM : content is managed
> > > by the application, decoration (title bar, etc ..) managed by E
> > >
> > > Vincent
> > >
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Re: [E-devel] Linux subsystem on windows

2019-01-22 Thread Felipe Magno de Almeida 
On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 4:05 AM Vincent Torri  wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 6:53 PM Jonathan Aquilina
>  wrote:
> >
> > That’s another way things could go but how would you interact and restyle 
> > the windows windows lol
>
> like E does...
>
> If you are interested in the Windows port, then help me for the EFL :-)

The Windows native applications are not going to talk to you. They
will just happily drawn themselves through Win32 API and GDI.

However, I do like the idea of having Linux applications being managed
by E. Though I doubt the X11-way is a good idea. I think the only
viable, but which I'm not willing to help now, would be through
wayland. Because in Wayland, E already does almost everything anyway.
It may just CreateWindowEx with the correct sizes and draw on them.
Get Input from it through its Message Loop. Only problem is that all
GUI windows will be under the same PID.

> Vincent

Regards,

> > Get Outlook for iOS
> >
> > 
> > From: Vincent Torri 
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 10:48
> > To: Enlightenment developer list
> > Subject: Re: [E-devel] Linux subsystem on windows
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 10:43 AM Felipe Magno de Almeida
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 6:39 PM Vincent Torri  
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 10:33 AM Felipe Magno de Almeida
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 6:12 PM Vincent Torri 
> > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 10:06 AM Felipe Magno de Almeida
> > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 5:40 PM Jonathan Aquilina
> > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I say why not. I am willing to work on it slowly slowly.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > My question becomes do we have any stats of enlightenement 
> > > > > > > > usage by windows users?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Considering it is completely impossible to use enlightenment on
> > > > > > > Windows
> > > > > >
> > > > > > not impossible, but really difficult
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I would like to mention that in the late 90's, a Windows NT port of 
> > > > > > E
> > > > > > 0.14 or 0.15 has been done, called e-sense (I have the sources
> > > > > > somewhere on my HD). It was using Litestep for the windows 
> > > > > > management.
> > > > >
> > > > > I meant impossible now. I mentioned the possibility of porting 
> > > > > Enlightenment
> > > > > wayland. I think it is probably easier than trying to use X11. 
> > > > > However, you
> > > > > would end up with Enlightenment as an application with all 
> > > > > applications
> > > > > inside.
> > > >
> > > > the current desktop shell of Windows is a fullscreen application with
> > > > all the applications inside
> > >
> > > Yes. But then Windows applications do not work the same way as
> > > Linux ones would. It would be fine for people only using Linux
> > > applications. Maybe we could have a wayland that actually creates
> > > normal CreateWindowsEx for their clients, but that is a lot of work.
> >
> > i was having another idea, which would make all the Windows
> > sapplications behave like the ones in a Unix WM : content is managed
> > by the application, decoration (title bar, etc ..) managed by E
> >
> > Vincent
> >
> >
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Re: [E-devel] Linux subsystem on windows

2019-01-22 Thread Vincent Torri 
On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 6:53 PM Jonathan Aquilina
 wrote:
>
> That’s another way things could go but how would you interact and restyle the 
> windows windows lol

like E does...

If you are interested in the Windows port, then help me for the EFL :-)

Vincent

> Get Outlook for iOS
>
> 
> From: Vincent Torri 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 10:48
> To: Enlightenment developer list
> Subject: Re: [E-devel] Linux subsystem on windows
>
> On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 10:43 AM Felipe Magno de Almeida
>  wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 6:39 PM Vincent Torri  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 10:33 AM Felipe Magno de Almeida
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 6:12 PM Vincent Torri  
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 10:06 AM Felipe Magno de Almeida
> > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 5:40 PM Jonathan Aquilina
> > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I say why not. I am willing to work on it slowly slowly.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > My question becomes do we have any stats of enlightenement usage 
> > > > > > > by windows users?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Considering it is completely impossible to use enlightenment on
> > > > > > Windows
> > > > >
> > > > > not impossible, but really difficult
> > > > >
> > > > > I would like to mention that in the late 90's, a Windows NT port of E
> > > > > 0.14 or 0.15 has been done, called e-sense (I have the sources
> > > > > somewhere on my HD). It was using Litestep for the windows management.
> > > >
> > > > I meant impossible now. I mentioned the possibility of porting 
> > > > Enlightenment
> > > > wayland. I think it is probably easier than trying to use X11. However, 
> > > > you
> > > > would end up with Enlightenment as an application with all applications
> > > > inside.
> > >
> > > the current desktop shell of Windows is a fullscreen application with
> > > all the applications inside
> >
> > Yes. But then Windows applications do not work the same way as
> > Linux ones would. It would be fine for people only using Linux
> > applications. Maybe we could have a wayland that actually creates
> > normal CreateWindowsEx for their clients, but that is a lot of work.
>
> i was having another idea, which would make all the Windows
> sapplications behave like the ones in a Unix WM : content is managed
> by the application, decoration (title bar, etc ..) managed by E
>
> Vincent
>
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Re: [E-devel] Linux subsystem on windows

2019-01-22 Thread Jonathan Aquilina 
That’s another way things could go but how would you interact and restyle the 
windows windows lol

Get Outlook for iOS


From: Vincent Torri 
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 10:48
To: Enlightenment developer list
Subject: Re: [E-devel] Linux subsystem on windows

On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 10:43 AM Felipe Magno de Almeida
 wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 6:39 PM Vincent Torri  wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 10:33 AM Felipe Magno de Almeida
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 6:12 PM Vincent Torri  
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 10:06 AM Felipe Magno de Almeida
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 5:40 PM Jonathan Aquilina
> > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I say why not. I am willing to work on it slowly slowly.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My question becomes do we have any stats of enlightenement usage by 
> > > > > > windows users?
> > > > >
> > > > > Considering it is completely impossible to use enlightenment on
> > > > > Windows
> > > >
> > > > not impossible, but really difficult
> > > >
> > > > I would like to mention that in the late 90's, a Windows NT port of E
> > > > 0.14 or 0.15 has been done, called e-sense (I have the sources
> > > > somewhere on my HD). It was using Litestep for the windows management.
> > >
> > > I meant impossible now. I mentioned the possibility of porting 
> > > Enlightenment
> > > wayland. I think it is probably easier than trying to use X11. However, 
> > > you
> > > would end up with Enlightenment as an application with all applications
> > > inside.
> >
> > the current desktop shell of Windows is a fullscreen application with
> > all the applications inside
>
> Yes. But then Windows applications do not work the same way as
> Linux ones would. It would be fine for people only using Linux
> applications. Maybe we could have a wayland that actually creates
> normal CreateWindowsEx for their clients, but that is a lot of work.

i was having another idea, which would make all the Windows
sapplications behave like the ones in a Unix WM : content is managed
by the application, decoration (title bar, etc ..) managed by E

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Re: [E-devel] Linux subsystem on windows

2019-01-22 Thread Jonathan Aquilina 
My idea is this we start with enlightenment inside windows non native then we 
do like VMware fusion does work on native integration l. That is how I’m seeing 
it

Get Outlook for iOS


From: Vincent Torri 
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 10:39
To: Enlightenment developer list
Subject: Re: [E-devel] Linux subsystem on windows

On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 10:33 AM Felipe Magno de Almeida
 wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 6:12 PM Vincent Torri  wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 10:06 AM Felipe Magno de Almeida
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 5:40 PM Jonathan Aquilina
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I say why not. I am willing to work on it slowly slowly.
> > > >
> > > > My question becomes do we have any stats of enlightenement usage by 
> > > > windows users?
> > >
> > > Considering it is completely impossible to use enlightenment on
> > > Windows
> >
> > not impossible, but really difficult
> >
> > I would like to mention that in the late 90's, a Windows NT port of E
> > 0.14 or 0.15 has been done, called e-sense (I have the sources
> > somewhere on my HD). It was using Litestep for the windows management.
>
> I meant impossible now. I mentioned the possibility of porting Enlightenment
> wayland. I think it is probably easier than trying to use X11. However, you
> would end up with Enlightenment as an application with all applications
> inside.

the current desktop shell of Windows is a fullscreen application with
all the applications inside

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Re: [E-devel] Linux subsystem on windows

2019-01-22 Thread The Rasterman 
On Tue, 22 Jan 2019 10:11:31 +0100 Vincent Torri  said:

> On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 10:06 AM Felipe Magno de Almeida
>  wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 5:40 PM Jonathan Aquilina
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > I say why not. I am willing to work on it slowly slowly.
> > >
> > > My question becomes do we have any stats of enlightenement usage by
> > > windows users?
> >
> > Considering it is completely impossible to use enlightenment on
> > Windows
> 
> not impossible, but really difficult
> 
> I would like to mention that in the late 90's, a Windows NT port of E
> 0.14 or 0.15 has been done, called e-sense (I have the sources
> somewhere on my HD). It was using Litestep for the windows management.

that wasn't a port. it was just taking ideas from e and duplicating them in a
windows shell kind of thing. from memory anyway... :)

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Re: [E-devel] Linux subsystem on windows

2019-01-22 Thread The Rasterman 
On Tue, 22 Jan 2019 06:07:41 + Jonathan Aquilina 
said:

> I say why not. I am willing to work on it slowly slowly.
> 
> My question becomes do we have any stats of enlightenement usage by windows
> users?

that's not likely to happen. just like enlightenment won't be ported to macos.
x11 has a very specific concept of window managers and how they work. wayland
is similar enough since we're fully compositing for us to do as well.

doing something like a windows port is just not going to be sane, unless you are
an expert at deep dark internals of windows crufty areas, and you also know e
very well and x11... :) it's just not going to be happening any time soon, and
then maintaining it alongside everything else is just not going to be
sustainable.

i am willing to bet windows' idea of "window manager" is vastly different to
x11 or even wayland (thought windows vista on might be more like wayland),
maintaining an abstraction is going to be huge effort and then there is the
added technical debt it creates.

the EFL port TO windows is already at our very limits. that should get more
attention, and that has nothing to do with WSL. WSL may allow for
cross-compiling EFL inside WSL on windows for use on win32 but it won't
fundamentally change EFL's windows port. it'd just be a POSSIBLE cross-dev
environment. i know vtorri does try and build EFL under msys2 with mingw32 (and
there are issues right now).

my take is efforts should be on this as we have a "mostly there" windows port
of EFL and it really just needs love and attention. an enlightenment port to
windows is is like many many many more orders of magnitude of work vs. giving
EFL love and attention.

> -Original Message-
> From: Felipe Magno de Almeida  
> Sent: 22 January 2019 06:53
> To: Enlightenment developer list 
> Subject: Re: [E-devel] Linux subsystem on windows
> 
> On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 3:04 PM Jonathan Aquilina 
> wrote:
> >
> > As far as I know no, but cant we use what ever windows uses to display
> > their UI?
> 
> Yes, but then it is not a window manager is it? I think you could port
> Enlightenment Wayland to Windows, running in Fullscreen. You will probably
> find a lot of difficults, but I guess it can be possible.
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Felipe Magno de Almeida 
> > Sent: 22 January 2019 06:49
> > To: Enlightenment developer list 
> > 
> > Subject: Re: [E-devel] Linux subsystem on windows
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 2:16 PM Jonathan Aquilina 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I was just wondering given the fact that it's a part of windows now how
> > > it would simplify the building of enlightenment on windows in the sense
> > > before you probably would have needed mingw or Cygwin. I might give it a
> > > try this coming weekend and start documenting on the wiki if I can or on
> > > phab.
> >
> > The Linux Subsystem doesn't work with X11, you need a a Windows X11 server.
> > And I don't know any X11 server which runs window managers on Windows. Is
> > there?
> >
> > > Regards,
> > > Jonathan.
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Felipe Magno de Almeida 
> > > Sent: 22 January 2019 04:09
> > > To: Enlightenment developer list
> > > 
> > > Subject: Re: [E-devel] Linux subsystem on windows
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 2:18 AM Jonathan Aquilina
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Guys,
> > > >
> > > > I have an interesting thing I would like to work on.
> > > >
> > > > Has anyone tried to build enlightenement through the linux subsystem on
> > > > windows?
> > >
> > > Not yet, but I'll probably try soon.
> > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Jonathan
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Re: [E-devel] Linux subsystem on windows

2019-01-22 Thread Jonathan Aquilina 
Isn’t that the best way to start and then work on integrating things natively?

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From: Felipe Magno de Almeida 
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 10:33
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Subject: Re: [E-devel] Linux subsystem on windows

On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 6:12 PM Vincent Torri  wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 10:06 AM Felipe Magno de Almeida
>  wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 5:40 PM Jonathan Aquilina
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > I say why not. I am willing to work on it slowly slowly.
> > >
> > > My question becomes do we have any stats of enlightenement usage by 
> > > windows users?
> >
> > Considering it is completely impossible to use enlightenment on
> > Windows
>
> not impossible, but really difficult
>
> I would like to mention that in the late 90's, a Windows NT port of E
> 0.14 or 0.15 has been done, called e-sense (I have the sources
> somewhere on my HD). It was using Litestep for the windows management.

I meant impossible now. I mentioned the possibility of porting Enlightenment
wayland. I think it is probably easier than trying to use X11. However, you
would end up with Enlightenment as an application with all applications
inside.

> Vincent

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Re: [E-devel] Linux subsystem on windows

2019-01-22 Thread Vincent Torri 
On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 10:43 AM Felipe Magno de Almeida
 wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 6:39 PM Vincent Torri  wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 10:33 AM Felipe Magno de Almeida
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 6:12 PM Vincent Torri  
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 10:06 AM Felipe Magno de Almeida
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 5:40 PM Jonathan Aquilina
> > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I say why not. I am willing to work on it slowly slowly.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My question becomes do we have any stats of enlightenement usage by 
> > > > > > windows users?
> > > > >
> > > > > Considering it is completely impossible to use enlightenment on
> > > > > Windows
> > > >
> > > > not impossible, but really difficult
> > > >
> > > > I would like to mention that in the late 90's, a Windows NT port of E
> > > > 0.14 or 0.15 has been done, called e-sense (I have the sources
> > > > somewhere on my HD). It was using Litestep for the windows management.
> > >
> > > I meant impossible now. I mentioned the possibility of porting 
> > > Enlightenment
> > > wayland. I think it is probably easier than trying to use X11. However, 
> > > you
> > > would end up with Enlightenment as an application with all applications
> > > inside.
> >
> > the current desktop shell of Windows is a fullscreen application with
> > all the applications inside
>
> Yes. But then Windows applications do not work the same way as
> Linux ones would. It would be fine for people only using Linux
> applications. Maybe we could have a wayland that actually creates
> normal CreateWindowsEx for their clients, but that is a lot of work.

i was having another idea, which would make all the Windows
sapplications behave like the ones in a Unix WM : content is managed
by the application, decoration (title bar, etc ..) managed by E

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Re: [E-devel] Linux subsystem on windows

2019-01-22 Thread Felipe Magno de Almeida 
On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 6:39 PM Vincent Torri  wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 10:33 AM Felipe Magno de Almeida
>  wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 6:12 PM Vincent Torri  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 10:06 AM Felipe Magno de Almeida
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 5:40 PM Jonathan Aquilina
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I say why not. I am willing to work on it slowly slowly.
> > > > >
> > > > > My question becomes do we have any stats of enlightenement usage by 
> > > > > windows users?
> > > >
> > > > Considering it is completely impossible to use enlightenment on
> > > > Windows
> > >
> > > not impossible, but really difficult
> > >
> > > I would like to mention that in the late 90's, a Windows NT port of E
> > > 0.14 or 0.15 has been done, called e-sense (I have the sources
> > > somewhere on my HD). It was using Litestep for the windows management.
> >
> > I meant impossible now. I mentioned the possibility of porting Enlightenment
> > wayland. I think it is probably easier than trying to use X11. However, you
> > would end up with Enlightenment as an application with all applications
> > inside.
>
> the current desktop shell of Windows is a fullscreen application with
> all the applications inside

Yes. But then Windows applications do not work the same way as
Linux ones would. It would be fine for people only using Linux
applications. Maybe we could have a wayland that actually creates
normal CreateWindowsEx for their clients, but that is a lot of work.

> Vincent
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Re: [E-devel] Linux subsystem on windows

2019-01-22 Thread Vincent Torri 
On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 10:33 AM Felipe Magno de Almeida
 wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 6:12 PM Vincent Torri  wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 10:06 AM Felipe Magno de Almeida
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 5:40 PM Jonathan Aquilina
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I say why not. I am willing to work on it slowly slowly.
> > > >
> > > > My question becomes do we have any stats of enlightenement usage by 
> > > > windows users?
> > >
> > > Considering it is completely impossible to use enlightenment on
> > > Windows
> >
> > not impossible, but really difficult
> >
> > I would like to mention that in the late 90's, a Windows NT port of E
> > 0.14 or 0.15 has been done, called e-sense (I have the sources
> > somewhere on my HD). It was using Litestep for the windows management.
>
> I meant impossible now. I mentioned the possibility of porting Enlightenment
> wayland. I think it is probably easier than trying to use X11. However, you
> would end up with Enlightenment as an application with all applications
> inside.

the current desktop shell of Windows is a fullscreen application with
all the applications inside

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Re: [E-devel] Linux subsystem on windows

2019-01-22 Thread Felipe Magno de Almeida 
On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 6:12 PM Vincent Torri  wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 10:06 AM Felipe Magno de Almeida
>  wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 5:40 PM Jonathan Aquilina
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > I say why not. I am willing to work on it slowly slowly.
> > >
> > > My question becomes do we have any stats of enlightenement usage by 
> > > windows users?
> >
> > Considering it is completely impossible to use enlightenment on
> > Windows
>
> not impossible, but really difficult
>
> I would like to mention that in the late 90's, a Windows NT port of E
> 0.14 or 0.15 has been done, called e-sense (I have the sources
> somewhere on my HD). It was using Litestep for the windows management.

I meant impossible now. I mentioned the possibility of porting Enlightenment
wayland. I think it is probably easier than trying to use X11. However, you
would end up with Enlightenment as an application with all applications
inside.

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Re: [E-devel] Linux subsystem on windows

2019-01-22 Thread Vincent Torri 
On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 10:08 AM Vincent Torri  wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 9:46 AM Al Poole  wrote:
> >
> > Yes, stats are as follows:
> >
> > Total users: 0.
>
> 1 user : me, if E works on Windows.

i've also heard that some samsung guys were working on Windows with
EFL (iirc). I don't know if it is still true these days

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Re: [E-devel] Linux subsystem on windows

2019-01-22 Thread Jonathan Aquilina 
If you are saying that al is it worth the time and effort?

Get Outlook for iOS


From: Al Poole 
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 09:46
To: Enlightenment developer list
Subject: Re: [E-devel] Linux subsystem on windows

Yes, stats are as follows:

Total users: 0.

;-)

On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 8:40 AM Jonathan Aquilina 
wrote:

> I say why not. I am willing to work on it slowly slowly.
>
> My question becomes do we have any stats of enlightenement usage by
> windows users?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Felipe Magno de Almeida 
> Sent: 22 January 2019 06:53
> To: Enlightenment developer list <
> enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
> Subject: Re: [E-devel] Linux subsystem on windows
>
> On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 3:04 PM Jonathan Aquilina 
> wrote:
> >
> > As far as I know no, but cant we use what ever windows uses to display
> their UI?
>
> Yes, but then it is not a window manager is it? I think you could port
> Enlightenment Wayland to Windows, running in Fullscreen.
> You will probably find a lot of difficults, but I guess it can be possible.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Felipe Magno de Almeida 
> > Sent: 22 January 2019 06:49
> > To: Enlightenment developer list
> > 
> > Subject: Re: [E-devel] Linux subsystem on windows
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 2:16 PM Jonathan Aquilina <
> jaquil...@eagleeyet.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > I was just wondering given the fact that it's a part of windows now
> how it would simplify the building of enlightenment on windows in the sense
> before you probably would have needed mingw or Cygwin. I might give it a
> try this coming weekend and start documenting on the wiki if I can or on
> phab.
> >
> > The Linux Subsystem doesn't work with X11, you need a a Windows X11
> server. And I don't know any X11 server which runs window managers on
> Windows. Is there?
> >
> > > Regards,
> > > Jonathan.
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Felipe Magno de Almeida 
> > > Sent: 22 January 2019 04:09
> > > To: Enlightenment developer list
> > > 
> > > Subject: Re: [E-devel] Linux subsystem on windows
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 2:18 AM Jonathan Aquilina <
> jaquil...@eagleeyet.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Guys,
> > > >
> > > > I have an interesting thing I would like to work on.
> > > >
> > > > Has anyone tried to build enlightenement through the linux subsystem
> on windows?
> > >
> > > Not yet, but I'll probably try soon.
> > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Jonathan
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Re: [E-devel] Linux subsystem on windows

2019-01-22 Thread Vincent Torri 
On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 10:06 AM Felipe Magno de Almeida
 wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 5:40 PM Jonathan Aquilina
>  wrote:
> >
> > I say why not. I am willing to work on it slowly slowly.
> >
> > My question becomes do we have any stats of enlightenement usage by windows 
> > users?
>
> Considering it is completely impossible to use enlightenment on
> Windows

not impossible, but really difficult

I would like to mention that in the late 90's, a Windows NT port of E
0.14 or 0.15 has been done, called e-sense (I have the sources
somewhere on my HD). It was using Litestep for the windows management.

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Re: [E-devel] Linux subsystem on windows

2019-01-22 Thread Vincent Torri 
On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 9:46 AM Al Poole  wrote:
>
> Yes, stats are as follows:
>
> Total users: 0.

1 user : me, if E works on Windows.

porting E to Windows is difficult. But I have already think about it a lot.
but for now, I have to fix the EFL on Windows.

with LSW, you would cross compile the EFL with mingw-w64, like on
Windows (MSYS2+mingw-w64) or in a linux distro. There is no
difference.

X11 server on Windows : I know one free : cygwin, but it's not native
of course, and other which are not free like
http://www.straightrunning.com/XmingNotes/

Note that to really have E on Windows you would have to manage
entirely the windows that are created so that they have the same
decorations (it is cass window subclassing), to bypass what Windows
does.

it's really difficult. But if I'm paid... ;-)

Vincent


>
> ;-)
>
> On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 8:40 AM Jonathan Aquilina 
> wrote:
>
> > I say why not. I am willing to work on it slowly slowly.
> >
> > My question becomes do we have any stats of enlightenement usage by
> > windows users?
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Felipe Magno de Almeida 
> > Sent: 22 January 2019 06:53
> > To: Enlightenment developer list <
> > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
> > Subject: Re: [E-devel] Linux subsystem on windows
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 3:04 PM Jonathan Aquilina 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > As far as I know no, but cant we use what ever windows uses to display
> > their UI?
> >
> > Yes, but then it is not a window manager is it? I think you could port
> > Enlightenment Wayland to Windows, running in Fullscreen.
> > You will probably find a lot of difficults, but I guess it can be possible.
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Felipe Magno de Almeida 
> > > Sent: 22 January 2019 06:49
> > > To: Enlightenment developer list
> > > 
> > > Subject: Re: [E-devel] Linux subsystem on windows
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 2:16 PM Jonathan Aquilina <
> > jaquil...@eagleeyet.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I was just wondering given the fact that it's a part of windows now
> > how it would simplify the building of enlightenment on windows in the sense
> > before you probably would have needed mingw or Cygwin. I might give it a
> > try this coming weekend and start documenting on the wiki if I can or on
> > phab.
> > >
> > > The Linux Subsystem doesn't work with X11, you need a a Windows X11
> > server. And I don't know any X11 server which runs window managers on
> > Windows. Is there?
> > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Jonathan.
> > > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Felipe Magno de Almeida 
> > > > Sent: 22 January 2019 04:09
> > > > To: Enlightenment developer list
> > > > 
> > > > Subject: Re: [E-devel] Linux subsystem on windows
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 2:18 AM Jonathan Aquilina <
> > jaquil...@eagleeyet.net> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Guys,
> > > > >
> > > > > I have an interesting thing I would like to work on.
> > > > >
> > > > > Has anyone tried to build enlightenement through the linux subsystem
> > on windows?
> > > >
> > > > Not yet, but I'll probably try soon.
> > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > Jonathan
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Re: [E-devel] Linux subsystem on windows

2019-01-22 Thread Felipe Magno de Almeida 
On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 5:40 PM Jonathan Aquilina
 wrote:
>
> I say why not. I am willing to work on it slowly slowly.
>
> My question becomes do we have any stats of enlightenement usage by windows 
> users?

Considering it is completely impossible to use enlightenment on
Windows, there are certainly 0. EFL usage, OTH, will get more and more
users.

> -Original Message-
> From: Felipe Magno de Almeida 
> Sent: 22 January 2019 06:53
> To: Enlightenment developer list 
> Subject: Re: [E-devel] Linux subsystem on windows
>
> On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 3:04 PM Jonathan Aquilina  
> wrote:
> >
> > As far as I know no, but cant we use what ever windows uses to display 
> > their UI?
>
> Yes, but then it is not a window manager is it? I think you could port 
> Enlightenment Wayland to Windows, running in Fullscreen.
> You will probably find a lot of difficults, but I guess it can be possible.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Felipe Magno de Almeida 
> > Sent: 22 January 2019 06:49
> > To: Enlightenment developer list
> > 
> > Subject: Re: [E-devel] Linux subsystem on windows
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 2:16 PM Jonathan Aquilina  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I was just wondering given the fact that it's a part of windows now how 
> > > it would simplify the building of enlightenment on windows in the sense 
> > > before you probably would have needed mingw or Cygwin. I might give it a 
> > > try this coming weekend and start documenting on the wiki if I can or on 
> > > phab.
> >
> > The Linux Subsystem doesn't work with X11, you need a a Windows X11 server. 
> > And I don't know any X11 server which runs window managers on Windows. Is 
> > there?
> >
> > > Regards,
> > > Jonathan.
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Felipe Magno de Almeida 
> > > Sent: 22 January 2019 04:09
> > > To: Enlightenment developer list
> > > 
> > > Subject: Re: [E-devel] Linux subsystem on windows
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 2:18 AM Jonathan Aquilina 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Guys,
> > > >
> > > > I have an interesting thing I would like to work on.
> > > >
> > > > Has anyone tried to build enlightenement through the linux subsystem on 
> > > > windows?
> > >
> > > Not yet, but I'll probably try soon.
> > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Jonathan
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Re: [E-devel] Linux subsystem on windows

2019-01-22 Thread Al Poole 
Yes, stats are as follows:

Total users: 0.

;-)

On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 8:40 AM Jonathan Aquilina 
wrote:

> I say why not. I am willing to work on it slowly slowly.
>
> My question becomes do we have any stats of enlightenement usage by
> windows users?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Felipe Magno de Almeida 
> Sent: 22 January 2019 06:53
> To: Enlightenment developer list <
> enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
> Subject: Re: [E-devel] Linux subsystem on windows
>
> On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 3:04 PM Jonathan Aquilina 
> wrote:
> >
> > As far as I know no, but cant we use what ever windows uses to display
> their UI?
>
> Yes, but then it is not a window manager is it? I think you could port
> Enlightenment Wayland to Windows, running in Fullscreen.
> You will probably find a lot of difficults, but I guess it can be possible.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Felipe Magno de Almeida 
> > Sent: 22 January 2019 06:49
> > To: Enlightenment developer list
> > 
> > Subject: Re: [E-devel] Linux subsystem on windows
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 2:16 PM Jonathan Aquilina <
> jaquil...@eagleeyet.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > I was just wondering given the fact that it's a part of windows now
> how it would simplify the building of enlightenment on windows in the sense
> before you probably would have needed mingw or Cygwin. I might give it a
> try this coming weekend and start documenting on the wiki if I can or on
> phab.
> >
> > The Linux Subsystem doesn't work with X11, you need a a Windows X11
> server. And I don't know any X11 server which runs window managers on
> Windows. Is there?
> >
> > > Regards,
> > > Jonathan.
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Felipe Magno de Almeida 
> > > Sent: 22 January 2019 04:09
> > > To: Enlightenment developer list
> > > 
> > > Subject: Re: [E-devel] Linux subsystem on windows
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 2:18 AM Jonathan Aquilina <
> jaquil...@eagleeyet.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Guys,
> > > >
> > > > I have an interesting thing I would like to work on.
> > > >
> > > > Has anyone tried to build enlightenement through the linux subsystem
> on windows?
> > >
> > > Not yet, but I'll probably try soon.
> > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Jonathan
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Re: [E-devel] Linux subsystem on windows

2019-01-22 Thread Jonathan Aquilina 
I say why not. I am willing to work on it slowly slowly.

My question becomes do we have any stats of enlightenement usage by windows 
users?

-Original Message-
From: Felipe Magno de Almeida  
Sent: 22 January 2019 06:53
To: Enlightenment developer list 
Subject: Re: [E-devel] Linux subsystem on windows

On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 3:04 PM Jonathan Aquilina  
wrote:
>
> As far as I know no, but cant we use what ever windows uses to display their 
> UI?

Yes, but then it is not a window manager is it? I think you could port 
Enlightenment Wayland to Windows, running in Fullscreen.
You will probably find a lot of difficults, but I guess it can be possible.

> -Original Message-
> From: Felipe Magno de Almeida 
> Sent: 22 January 2019 06:49
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> Subject: Re: [E-devel] Linux subsystem on windows
>
> On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 2:16 PM Jonathan Aquilina  
> wrote:
> >
> > I was just wondering given the fact that it's a part of windows now how it 
> > would simplify the building of enlightenment on windows in the sense before 
> > you probably would have needed mingw or Cygwin. I might give it a try this 
> > coming weekend and start documenting on the wiki if I can or on phab.
>
> The Linux Subsystem doesn't work with X11, you need a a Windows X11 server. 
> And I don't know any X11 server which runs window managers on Windows. Is 
> there?
>
> > Regards,
> > Jonathan.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Felipe Magno de Almeida 
> > Sent: 22 January 2019 04:09
> > To: Enlightenment developer list
> > 
> > Subject: Re: [E-devel] Linux subsystem on windows
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 2:18 AM Jonathan Aquilina  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Guys,
> > >
> > > I have an interesting thing I would like to work on.
> > >
> > > Has anyone tried to build enlightenement through the linux subsystem on 
> > > windows?
> >
> > Not yet, but I'll probably try soon.
> >
> > > Regards,
> > > Jonathan
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