[E-devel] Background displays Weather
I just had an idea that seemed kinda cool. What if your background represented the weather/moonphase/etc. You could have some sort of outdoor scenery and then on top place clouds and show animated rain to represent the weather in your area. You could also have the moon/sun positioned to represent their positions in the sky and show the moonphase. You might even show the weather forecast by animating a change in weather. If someone was really creative you might show the actual constellations and planets that are visible that day. Is this possible within the current Enlightenment vision? -Arlo -- Arlo White [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SlickEdit Inc. Develop an edge. The most comprehensive and flexible code editor you can use. Code faster. C/C++, C#, Java, HTML, XML, many more. FREE 30-Day Trial. www.slickedit.com/sourceforge ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Background displays Weather
On Fri, 21 Feb 2003 18:33:27 -0800 "Arlo White" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > I just had an idea that seemed kinda cool. > What if your background represented the weather/moonphase/etc. You could > have some sort of outdoor scenery and then on top place clouds and show > animated rain to represent the weather in your area. You could also have > the moon/sun positioned to represent their positions in the sky and show > the moonphase. You might even show the weather forecast by animating a > change in weather. If someone was really creative you might show the > actual constellations and planets that are visible that day. > > Is this possible within the current Enlightenment vision? yes, possible with some of the things planned for 0.17 and beyond. -- --- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile Phone: +61 (0)413 451 899Home Phone: 02 9698 8615 --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SlickEdit Inc. Develop an edge. The most comprehensive and flexible code editor you can use. Code faster. C/C++, C#, Java, HTML, XML, many more. FREE 30-Day Trial. www.slickedit.com/sourceforge ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Background displays Weather
Heh, Yea and drop shadows on the windows that reflect where the current postion of the sun or moon are.. based on the locale of the computer. - Original Message - From: "Arlo White" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 9:33 PM Subject: [E-devel] Background displays Weather > I just had an idea that seemed kinda cool. > What if your background represented the weather/moonphase/etc. You could > have some sort of outdoor scenery and then on top place clouds and show > animated rain to represent the weather in your area. You could also have > the moon/sun positioned to represent their positions in the sky and show > the moonphase. You might even show the weather forecast by animating a > change in weather. If someone was really creative you might show the > actual constellations and planets that are visible that day. > > Is this possible within the current Enlightenment vision? > > -Arlo > > -- > Arlo White > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > --- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: SlickEdit Inc. Develop an edge. > The most comprehensive and flexible code editor you can use. > Code faster. C/C++, C#, Java, HTML, XML, many more. FREE 30-Day Trial. > www.slickedit.com/sourceforge > ___ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SlickEdit Inc. Develop an edge. The most comprehensive and flexible code editor you can use. Code faster. C/C++, C#, Java, HTML, XML, many more. FREE 30-Day Trial. www.slickedit.com/sourceforge ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Background displays Weather
Robert Benton wrote: Heh, Yea and drop shadows on the windows that reflect where the current postion of the sun or moon are.. based on the locale of the computer. Now we're talking. ETA anyone? Please remain calm. I'm kidding. --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SlickEdit Inc. Develop an edge. The most comprehensive and flexible code editor you can use. Code faster. C/C++, C#, Java, HTML, XML, many more. FREE 30-Day Trial. www.slickedit.com/sourceforge ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Background displays Weather
Dan wrote: Robert Benton wrote: Heh, Yea and drop shadows on the windows that reflect where the current postion of the sun or moon are.. based on the locale of the computer. Now we're talking. ETA anyone? Please remain calm. I'm kidding. If this was the gnome list I would have taken this thread seriously ;) -b -- They read good books, and quote, but never learn a language other than the scream of rocket-burn Our straighter talk is drowned but ironclad; elections, money, empire, oil and Dad. -- Andrew Motion (Poet Laureate) on GWB and Iraq smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [E-devel] Background displays Weather
You read my MIND! On Sun, 23 Feb 2003 04:04:00 -0500 "Robert Benton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Heh, Yea and drop shadows on the windows that reflect where the > current postion of the sun or moon are.. based on the locale of the > computer. > > - Original Message - > From: "Arlo White" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 9:33 PM > Subject: [E-devel] Background displays Weather > > > > I just had an idea that seemed kinda cool. > > What if your background represented the weather/moonphase/etc. You > > could have some sort of outdoor scenery and then on top place clouds > > and show animated rain to represent the weather in your area. You > > could also have the moon/sun positioned to represent their positions > > in the sky and show the moonphase. You might even show the weather > > forecast by animating a change in weather. If someone was really > > creative you might show the actual constellations and planets that > > are visible that day. > > > > Is this possible within the current Enlightenment vision? > > > > -Arlo > > > > -- > > Arlo White > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > --- > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: SlickEdit Inc. Develop an edge. > > The most comprehensive and flexible code editor you can use. > > Code faster. C/C++, C#, Java, HTML, XML, many more. FREE 30-Day > > Trial. www.slickedit.com/sourceforge > > ___ > > enlightenment-devel mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > > > > > --- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: SlickEdit Inc. Develop an edge. > The most comprehensive and flexible code editor you can use. > Code faster. C/C++, C#, Java, HTML, XML, many more. FREE 30-Day Trial. > www.slickedit.com/sourceforge > ___ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Background displays Weather
If I recall correctly, there are already a couple of programs out there that can display a continuously changing wallpaper reflecting the daytime (sun moon etc) out there making use of a simple timer script and xsetroot. And KDE even has similar functionality built in already. Of course xsetroot won't really work for E17, so it's still a good idea. I'm thinking more of a generally programmable/customizable background manager that can do much more than just rotate between a bunch of static pictures, but actually do some animation, dynamic content etc. (this sounds like some feature expansion for ebg). --Ibukun Bartley J.Kleypas said: > You read my MIND! > > > On Sun, 23 Feb 2003 04:04:00 -0500 > "Robert Benton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Heh, Yea and drop shadows on the windows that reflect where the >> current postion of the sun or moon are.. based on the locale of the >> computer. >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Arlo White" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 9:33 PM >> Subject: [E-devel] Background displays Weather >> >> >> > I just had an idea that seemed kinda cool. >> > What if your background represented the weather/moonphase/etc. You >> could have some sort of outdoor scenery and then on top place clouds >> and show animated rain to represent the weather in your area. You >> could also have the moon/sun positioned to represent their positions >> in the sky and show the moonphase. You might even show the weather >> forecast by animating a change in weather. If someone was really >> creative you might show the actual constellations and planets that >> are visible that day. >> > >> > Is this possible within the current Enlightenment vision? >> > >> > -Arlo >> > >> > -- >> > Arlo White >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> > >> > --- >> > This SF.net email is sponsored by: SlickEdit Inc. Develop an edge. >> The most comprehensive and flexible code editor you can use. >> > Code faster. C/C++, C#, Java, HTML, XML, many more. FREE 30-Day >> Trial. www.slickedit.com/sourceforge >> > ___ >> > enlightenment-devel mailing list >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel >> > >> >> >> >> --- >> This SF.net email is sponsored by: SlickEdit Inc. Develop an edge. The >> most comprehensive and flexible code editor you can use. >> Code faster. C/C++, C#, Java, HTML, XML, many more. FREE 30-Day Trial. >> www.slickedit.com/sourceforge >> ___ >> enlightenment-devel mailing list >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > > --- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! > Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. > Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. > www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp > ___ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- | /*\ Ibukun Olumuyiwa | \ / Join the ASCII Ribbon Campaign http://xcomputerman.com| X against HTML mail today! | / \ --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Background displays Weather
Actualy, I was kidding. I hang out on the IRC channel a lot, and people laff at me for wanting realtime satalight picture backgrounds, auto updating with a website, while having backgrounds that would be kinda like old-school side scrolling video games, ie mario and sonic. Where the background has multi layers, with the canvas taking mouse cursor position and determining the backgrounds layer position according. Imagin like your mouse is a character in a sonic game, and the backgrounds layer and move based on the mouse position. My comment was more or less a joke at my expence. ;) On Wed, 26 Feb 2003 21:17:32 -0600 (CST) "Ibukun Olumuyiwa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If I recall correctly, there are already a couple of programs out > there that can display a continuously changing wallpaper reflecting > the daytime(sun moon etc) out there making use of a simple timer > script and xsetroot. And KDE even has similar functionality built in > already. Of course xsetroot won't really work for E17, so it's still a > good idea. I'm thinking more of a generally programmable/customizable > background manager that can do much more than just rotate between a > bunch of static pictures, but actually do some animation, dynamic > content etc. (this sounds like some feature expansion for ebg). > > --Ibukun > > > Bartley J.Kleypas said: > > You read my MIND! > > > > > > On Sun, 23 Feb 2003 04:04:00 -0500 > > "Robert Benton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> Heh, Yea and drop shadows on the windows that reflect where the > >> current postion of the sun or moon are.. based on the locale of the > >> computer. > >> > >> - Original Message - > >> From: "Arlo White" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 9:33 PM > >> Subject: [E-devel] Background displays Weather > >> > >> > >> > I just had an idea that seemed kinda cool. > >> > What if your background represented the weather/moonphase/etc. > >You> could have some sort of outdoor scenery and then on top place > >clouds> and show animated rain to represent the weather in your area. > > You > >> could also have the moon/sun positioned to represent their > >positions> in the sky and show the moonphase. You might even show > >the weather> forecast by animating a change in weather. If someone > >was really> creative you might show the actual constellations and > >planets that> are visible that day. > >> > > >> > Is this possible within the current Enlightenment vision? > >> > > >> > -Arlo > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Arlo White > >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > > >> > > >> > --- > >> > This SF.net email is sponsored by: SlickEdit Inc. Develop an > >edge.> The most comprehensive and flexible code editor you can use. > >> > Code faster. C/C++, C#, Java, HTML, XML, many more. FREE 30-Day > >> Trial. www.slickedit.com/sourceforge > >> > ___ > >> > enlightenment-devel mailing list > >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> --- > >> This SF.net email is sponsored by: SlickEdit Inc. Develop an edge. > >The> most comprehensive and flexible code editor you can use. > >> Code faster. C/C++, C#, Java, HTML, XML, many more. FREE 30-Day > >Trial.> www.slickedit.com/sourceforge > >> ___ > >> enlightenment-devel mailing list > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > > > > > --- > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! > > Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive > > scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, > > Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp > > ___ > > enlightenment-devel mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > > -- >| /*\ > Ibukun Olumuyiwa | \ / Join the
Re: [E-devel] Background displays Weather
Bartley J.Kleypas ?: Actualy, I was kidding. I hang out on the IRC channel a lot, and people laff at me for wanting realtime satalight picture backgrounds, auto updating with a website, while having backgrounds that would be kinda like old-school side scrolling video games, ie mario and sonic. Where the background has multi layers, with the canvas taking mouse cursor position and determining the backgrounds layer position according. Imagin like your mouse is a character in a sonic game, and the backgrounds layer and move based on the mouse position. My comment was more or less a joke at my expence. ;) Enaa is Not a joke ;) --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Etnus, makers of TotalView, The debugger for complex code. Debugging C/C++ programs can leave you feeling lost and disoriented. TotalView can help you find your way. Available on major UNIX and Linux platforms. Try it free. www.etnus.com ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Background displays Weather
Sorry to kick up this thread again, but... Why not make the background an html browser which supports plug-ins. That way backgrounds could be written in plain html, html with _javascript_ or even Flash. You can't get more flexible than that. Corey Donohoe wrote: * Ibukun Olumuyiwa ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Thu 27 Feb 2003, Corey Donohoe wrote: * Ibukun Olumuyiwa ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I'm thinking more of a generally programmable/customizable background manager that can do much more than just rotate between a bunch of static pictures, but actually do some animation, dynamic content etc. (this sounds like some feature expansion for ebg). I thought that was what ebits2 would eventually do? No need to add it to ebg imo. =) Hmm, so ebits will be replacing ebg as well? If so it's a good thing, some library convergence has been needed for some time anyway. The way raster described the keying structure of ebits2 a while back should make it relatively easy to embed one or more backgrounds into an ebits2 file. The current api calls for ebg shouldn't need modification, migrating from edb to whatever format ebits2 will use only really requires work in the load/save functions with a possibility of expanding ebg's really small api if it wanted backward compatability support(atleast until there was sufficient other stuff to constitute its abandonment). Eventually merge this functionality into ebits2. Then with your ebits2 builder thingie you say the background should be foo(a file on disk, a path in a ebits2 file, or somethin), I want it on layer n, it should be resized to w and h, and i want it at x,y. Dunno how raster would feel about all this, but that's kinda the way I had envisioned it. Ask not what ebits2 can do for you, but what you can do for ebits2! (sorry i couldn't help it) --Ibukun __ Corey Donohoe [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- | /*\ Ibukun Olumuyiwa | \ / Join the ASCII Ribbon Campaign http://xcomputerman.com| X against HTML mail today! | / \ __ Corey Donohoe [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel == This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. All information is the view of the individual and not necessarily the company. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication and its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ==
Re: [E-devel] Background displays Weather
Security is the browser's responsibility. You cannot blame a language for insecure implementations of it. (You *can* blame for trying to be too much like Java whilst discarding type-safety, using a different inheritance model etc. -- but that is another story.) I think the html with plug-ins model is so ubiquitous now for presenting dynamic content that, although it may have flaws, it is much better to use the standard than to invent a new one (we are not Micro$oft, after all). Plug-ins will continue to evolve. E users will have much more flexibility if they have the option to install, for example, the latest flash player in their background manager. Also, the mechanisms already exist for specifying content from local or remote locations - great for people with always-online machines. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 09:17:48 GMT, Richard Martin said: Why not make the background an html browser which supports plug-ins. That way backgrounds could be written in plain html, html with _javascript_ or even Flash. You can't get more flexible than that. _javascript_ has enough security issues in a browser. You want it on your *DESKTOP*??? == This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. All information is the view of the individual and not necessarily the company. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication and its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ==
Re: [E-devel] Background displays Weather
Am Die, 2003-03-11 um 10.17 schrieb Richard Martin: > Sorry to kick up this thread again, but... > > Why not make the background an html browser which supports plug-ins. > That way backgrounds could be written in plain html, html with > javascript or even Flash. You can't get more flexible than that. > Come on guys you ever watched your CPU Stress if you look at a flash site with mozilla? I think nobody realy want's a background that is eating 30% of their CPU's power. Get back to the Ground. -- ___ / / (_)__ __ __-*- If Linux doesn't have the solution, / /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / you have the wrong problem -*- /_/_/_//_/\___/ /_/\_\ --- Stefan Held[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- pgp-keys can be found @ http://www.to.com signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil
Re: [E-devel] Background displays Weather
At 06:36 PM 3/12/2003 +0100, Stefan Held wrote: Am Die, 2003-03-11 um 10.17 schrieb Richard Martin: > Sorry to kick up this thread again, but... > > Why not make the background an html browser which supports plug-ins. > That way backgrounds could be written in plain html, html with > javascript or even Flash. You can't get more flexible than that. > Come on guys you ever watched your CPU Stress if you look at a flash site with mozilla? I think nobody realy want's a background that is eating 30% of their CPU's power. Get back to the Ground. Is this seriously being considered for E 17 ?? Hah, I remember someone suggested it two years ago maybe, a la MS Windows "Active Desktop", and it was promptly shot down. Comments like it will "never" happen were made by Rasterman himself. Hall --- This SF.net email is sponsored by:Crypto Challenge is now open! Get cracking and register here for some mind boggling fun and the chance of winning an Apple iPod: http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?thaw0031en ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Background displays Weather
On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 09:12:13 GMT, Richard Martin said: > Security is the browser's responsibility. You cannot blame a language > for insecure implementations of it. (You *can* blame for trying to be > too much like Java whilst discarding type-safety, using a different > inheritance model etc. -- but that is another story.) And does this mean that security is the desktop's responsibility? Or that you can't blame E for allowing leaky Flash plugins? Note that I don't have a problem with the *concept* of plugins. It was the choice of a particularly egregious offender that pushed my button, although the concept of *scriptable* plugins has lots of security uglies. I don't think you *can* make Javascript secure - its basic security model is just so fucked - so yeah, I'm blaming JS for discarding type safety and having a b0rken inheritance model, etc etc. ;) -- Valdis Kletnieks Computer Systems Senior Engineer Virginia Tech pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [E-devel] Background displays Weather
Hall Stevenson wrote: At 06:36 PM 3/12/2003 +0100, Stefan Held wrote: Am Die, 2003-03-11 um 10.17 schrieb Richard Martin: > Sorry to kick up this thread again, but... > > Why not make the background an html browser which supports plug-ins. > That way backgrounds could be written in plain html, html with > javascript or even Flash. You can't get more flexible than that. > Come on guys you ever watched your CPU Stress if you look at a flash site with mozilla? I think nobody realy want's a background that is eating 30% of their CPU's power. Get back to the Ground. Is this seriously being considered for E 17 ?? Hah, I remember someone suggested it two years ago maybe, a la MS Windows "Active Desktop", and it was promptly shot down. Comments like it will "never" happen were made by Rasterman himself. I sincerely hope not. -b -- They read good books, and quote, but never learn a language other than the scream of rocket-burn Our straighter talk is drowned but ironclad; elections, money, empire, oil and Dad. -- Andrew Motion (Poet Laureate) on GWB and Iraq smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [E-devel] Background displays Weather
On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 12:59:47PM -0500, Hall Stevenson wrote: > > Is this seriously being considered for E 17 ?? Hah, I remember someone > suggested it two years ago maybe, a la MS Windows "Active Desktop", and it > was promptly shot down. Comments like it will "never" happen were made by > Rasterman himself. > > Hall The lack of any active developers jumping up and saying "Oh hell yeah!!! That's a great idea!!" Should give you a clue as to how seriously this is being considered. ;-) -- | Nathan Ingersoll \\ Computer Systems & Network Coordinator | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]\\ http://www.ruralcenter.org| | http://ningerso.atmos.org/ \\ Minnesota Center for Rural Health| pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [E-devel] Background displays Weather
On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 12:59:47 -0500 Hall Stevenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > At 06:36 PM 3/12/2003 +0100, Stefan Held wrote: > >Am Die, 2003-03-11 um 10.17 schrieb Richard Martin: > > > Sorry to kick up this thread again, but... > > > > > > Why not make the background an html browser which supports plug-ins. > > > That way backgrounds could be written in plain html, html with > > > javascript or even Flash. You can't get more flexible than that. > > > > > > >Come on guys you ever watched your CPU Stress if you look at a flash > >site with mozilla? I think nobody realy want's a background that is > >eating 30% of their CPU's power. > > > >Get back to the Ground. > > Is this seriously being considered for E 17 ?? Hah, I remember someone > suggested it two years ago maybe, a la MS Windows "Active Desktop", and it > was promptly shot down. Comments like it will "never" happen were made by > Rasterman himself. I'm not having html on e's desktop. it's a limited formatting language, slow to parse & turn into usable data for a process to display. and bugger if i'm going to write a web browser to make people happy & do this. if someone else wants to go write a web browser/html display widget for this.. more power to them, BUT i have no plans on supporting this. i have much better plans in place & am working (slowly) towards making them a reality. my eventual plans are to have the desktop background managed by a separate process to e - evidence would be one, or any other you want to put there that works with e. i'm working (slowly) to build the infrastructure to eventually have shared canvases and that means any number of processes can run and display in the "desktop canvas" sharing it nicely with alpha blending, layering etc. i repeat. there's enough work as is, without writing a web browser. and no we're not going to go "use moilla/geko" and suddenly make that part of a wm. :) -- --- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile Phone: +61 (0)413 451 899Home Phone: 02 9698 8615 --- This SF.net email is sponsored by:Crypto Challenge is now open! Get cracking and register here for some mind boggling fun and the chance of winning an Apple iPod: http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?thaw0031en ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Background displays Weather
Strange... I thought E was about user choice and flexibility, not making assumptions about what people will or will not want. Personally I would never have a flash backdrop (actually my desktops are so cluttered I never even see my backdrops), but I can imagine people wanting it. Question: Could this whole discussion be made irrelevant if people could "full-screen" (borderless) an application and push it to the bottom layer? Then anyone could effectivly make *any* application their background. I am struggling to think how this would differ from the conventional notion of a background. Stefan Held wrote: Am Die, 2003-03-11 um 10.17 schrieb Richard Martin: Sorry to kick up this thread again, but... Why not make the background an html browser which supports plug-ins. That way backgrounds could be written in plain html, html with _javascript_ or even Flash. You can't get more flexible than that. Come on guys you ever watched your CPU Stress if you look at a flash site with mozilla? I think nobody realy want's a background that is eating 30% of their CPU's power. Get back to the Ground. == This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. All information is the view of the individual and not necessarily the company. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication and its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ==
Re: [E-devel] Background displays Weather
Am Don, 2003-03-13 um 11.28 schrieb Richard Martin: > Strange... I thought E was about user choice and flexibility, not > making assumptions about what people will or will not want. > Youre Right. It is. > Personally I would never have a flash backdrop (actually my desktops > are so cluttered I never even see my backdrops), but I can imagine > people wanting it. > So do i, but do you agree that people are waiting a long time for getting the stuff finished? Wouldn't it be better to have a working version and bring out an e17.1 which supports that silly stuff? I think nobody will realy miss that 1337 function. As i supposed, watch your CPU Stress with flash animations. Greetings -- ___ / / (_)__ __ __-*- If Linux doesn't have the solution, / /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / you have the wrong problem -*- /_/_/_//_/\___/ /_/\_\ --- pgp-keys can be found @ http://www.to.com signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil
Re: [E-devel] Background displays Weather
At 01:56 PM 3/13/2003 +0100, Stefan Held wrote: Am Don, 2003-03-13 um 11.28 schrieb Richard Martin: > Personally I would never have a flash backdrop (actually my desktops > are so cluttered I never even see my backdrops), but I can imagine > people wanting it. > So do i, but do you agree that people are waiting a long time for getting the stuff finished? Wouldn't it be better to have a working version and bring out an e17.1 which supports that silly stuff? You don't normally add "features" with point releases. Something like this, since it's obviously not in the 0.17.x timeframe would go into a later version. Say version 1.0 ! :-) Hall --- This SF.net email is sponsored by:Crypto Challenge is now open! Get cracking and register here for some mind boggling fun and the chance of winning an Apple iPod: http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?thaw0031en ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Background displays Weather
On Thu, 13 Mar 2003 10:28:41 GMT, Richard Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Could this whole discussion be made irrelevant if people could > "full-screen" (borderless) an application and push it to the bottom > layer? Then anyone could effectivly make *any* application their > background. I am struggling to think how this would differ from the > conventional notion of a background. Well, there's the pesky notion of 'left/middle/right mouse over the root window pops up WM menus while they do program-dependent things over application windows" However, if the "at the bottom" window sets itself to NoInput and the WM is grabbing the events, that can be finessed. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [E-devel] Background displays Weather
On Thu 13 Mar 2003, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > > I'm not having html on e's desktop. it's a limited formatting language, slow to > parse & turn into usable data for a process to display. and bugger if i'm going > to write a web browser to make people happy & do this. if someone else wants to > go write a web browser/html display widget for this.. more power to them, BUT i > have no plans on supporting this. i have much better plans in place & am working > (slowly) towards making them a reality. my eventual plans are to have the > desktop background managed by a separate process to e - evidence would be one, > or any other you want to put there that works with e. i'm working (slowly) to > build the infrastructure to eventually have shared canvases and that means any > number of processes can run and display in the "desktop canvas" sharing it > nicely with alpha blending, layering etc. > > i repeat. there's enough work as is, without writing a web browser. and no we're > not going to go "use moilla/geko" and suddenly make that part of a wm. :) > Two words: Hell No. I could almost barf at the though of having a flash animation on my desktop, not to mention JavaScript. Going back to the original topic of this thread, right now I'm actually leaning towards the use of enaa code to do dynamic backgrounds (actually in general, special effects/dynamic animation and interaction). Enaa seems to be perfect for that purpose. I still wouldn't use it to create "themes" per se because I feel the barrier to creating themes would be too high, but I like the idea of creating special fx eets that can be applied to any object or group of objects in an evas application. > -- > --- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" > The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Mobile Phone: +61 (0)413 451 899Home Phone: 02 9698 8615 > -- | /*\ Ibukun Olumuyiwa | \ / Join the ASCII Ribbon Campaign http://xcomputerman.com| X against HTML mail today! | / \ --- This SF.net email is sponsored by:Crypto Challenge is now open! Get cracking and register here for some mind boggling fun and the chance of winning an Apple iPod: http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?thaw0031en ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Background displays Weather
Cristalle Azundris Sabon wrote: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: my eventual plans are to have the desktop background managed by a separate process to e - evidence would be one, or any other you want to put there that works with e. I think that was just about everybody's plan, really, with the sole reason for it not having been implemented yet being that we've never sat down and defined the IPC between the background-handler and its clients? X-like ;) Piece of cake ;) --- This SF.net email is sponsored by:Crypto Challenge is now open! Get cracking and register here for some mind boggling fun and the chance of winning an Apple iPod: http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?thaw0031en ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Background displays Weather
On 17 Mar 2003 10:27:18 +0100 Cristalle Azundris Sabon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > my eventual plans are to have the desktop background managed by a > > separate process to e - evidence would be one, or any other you want > > to put there that works with e. > > I think that was just about everybody's plan, really, with the sole > reason for it not having been implemented yet being that we've never > sat down and defined the IPC between the background-handler and its > clients? well i looked at it more as being just a shared canvas and the file manager is just "yet another client" using the shared desktop canvas... :) how to share i'm still tossing around. you may have noticed ecore gaining ipc and tcp/ip wrappers of late... :) i'm not putting anything in stone right now, but i'm building a comprehensive set of tools/code that can/will be used... it's just the details of how exactly.. but the way i have it planned it isnt that relevant as we can just expand the protocol as things move on with more calls etc. as long as the basic design is right.. and i'm pretty sure i have that idea well thought out. though this will be on hold till i do some ebits work first :) -- --- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile Phone: +61 (0)413 451 899Home Phone: 02 9698 8615 --- This SF.net email is sponsored by:Crypto Challenge is now open! Get cracking and register here for some mind boggling fun and the chance of winning an Apple iPod: http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?thaw0031en ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Background displays Weather
On Mon 17 Mar 2003, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > On 17 Mar 2003 10:27:18 +0100 Cristalle Azundris Sabon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > babbled: > > > Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > my eventual plans are to have the desktop background managed by a > > > separate process to e - evidence would be one, or any other you want > > > to put there that works with e. > > > > I think that was just about everybody's plan, really, with the sole > > reason for it not having been implemented yet being that we've never > > sat down and defined the IPC between the background-handler and its > > clients? > > well i looked at it more as being just a shared canvas and the file manager is > just "yet another client" using the shared desktop canvas... :) how to share i'm > still tossing around. you may have noticed ecore gaining ipc and tcp/ip wrappers > of late... :) i'm not putting anything in stone right now, but i'm building a > comprehensive set of tools/code that can/will be used... it's just the details > of how exactly.. but the way i have it planned it isnt that relevant as we can > just expand the protocol as things move on with more calls etc. as long as the > basic design is right.. and i'm pretty sure i have that idea well thought out. > though this will be on hold till i do some ebits work first :) > This is actually one of the planned features for Entrance as well - a shared canvas based on IPC or some similar mechanism that will allow plugins to operate. This would probably be made easier if there was some sort of "canvas server" library (with the appropriate protection features). This is put off for the not-so-near future though, and the priority at the moment is actually to migrate to the new ecore as soon as it is finished (meaning others have started to migrate to it!) :p -- | /*\ Ibukun Olumuyiwa | \ / Join the ASCII Ribbon Campaign http://xcomputerman.com| X against HTML mail today! | / \ --- This SF.net email is sponsored by:Crypto Challenge is now open! Get cracking and register here for some mind boggling fun and the chance of winning an Apple iPod: http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?thaw0031en ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Background displays Weather
On 17 Mar 2003 16:52:25 +0100 Cristalle Azundris Sabon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I think that was just about everybody's plan, really, with the sole > > > reason for it not having been implemented yet being that we've never > > > sat down and defined the IPC between the background-handler and its > > > clients? > > > > well i looked at it more as being just a shared canvas and the file > > manager is just "yet another client" using the shared desktop > > canvas... :) > > Isn't that what I just said? i read it more that evidence would provide the shared canvas... :) > On a side-note, ev can do the old-style faux desktop thingie that > efm did until then, but I never considered that a permanent solution. for now thats fine :) -- --- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile Phone: +61 (0)413 451 899Home Phone: 02 9698 8615 --- This SF.net email is sponsored by:Crypto Challenge is now open! Get cracking and register here for some mind boggling fun and the chance of winning an Apple iPod: http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?thaw0031en ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: Re: [E-devel] Background displays Weather
* Ibukun Olumuyiwa ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > I'm thinking more of a generally programmable/customizable background > manager that can do much more than just rotate between a bunch of > static pictures, but actually do some animation, dynamic content etc. > (this sounds like some feature expansion for ebg). I thought that was what ebits2 would eventually do? No need to add it to ebg imo. =) > > --Ibukun > __ Corey Donohoe [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: Re: [E-devel] Background displays Weather
* Richard Martin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Sorry to kick up this thread again, but... > > Why not make the background an html browser which supports plug-ins. > That way backgrounds could be written in plain html, html with > javascript or even Flash. You can't get more flexible than that. I personally don't think this is best. It'd be moving from one data format(edb/ebits) to a flat text(html) file. The idea of where this is going is that you have a tool to create these ebits2 files and all the functionality that you'd get from javascript and prolly a subset of the functionality flash provides. This allows us to define the rules of the game and not be limited to what html/javascript provides us. Comparing it to an html file isn't that far off from what it'll do. As most of the sizing, placement, timers etc information will be kept in the ebits2 file, kinda like ENAA. If I'm way off with this idea, somebody shout. > > Corey Donohoe wrote: > > >* Ibukun Olumuyiwa ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > > > >>On Thu 27 Feb 2003, Corey Donohoe wrote: > >> > >> > >>>* Ibukun Olumuyiwa ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > >>> > >>> > I'm thinking more of a generally programmable/customizable background > manager that can do much more than just rotate between a bunch of > static pictures, but actually do some animation, dynamic content etc. > (this sounds like some feature expansion for ebg). > > > >>>I thought that was what ebits2 would eventually do? No need to add it > >>>to ebg imo. =) > >>> > >>> > >>Hmm, so ebits will be replacing ebg as well? If so it's a good thing, some > >>library convergence has been needed for some time anyway. > >> > >> > > > >The way raster described the keying structure of ebits2 a while back should > >make it relatively easy to embed one or more backgrounds into an ebits2 > >file. The current api calls for ebg shouldn't need modification, migrating > >from edb to whatever format ebits2 will use only really requires work in > >the > >load/save functions with a possibility of expanding ebg's really small api > >if it wanted backward compatability support(atleast until there was > >sufficient other stuff to constitute its abandonment). > > > >Eventually merge this functionality into ebits2. Then with your ebits2 > >builder thingie you say the background should be foo(a file on disk, a path > >in a ebits2 file, or somethin), I want it on layer n, it should be resized > >to w and h, and i want it at x,y. Dunno how raster would feel about all > >this, but that's kinda the way I had envisioned it. > > > >Ask not what ebits2 can do for you, but what you can do for ebits2! > >(sorry i couldn't help it) > > > > > >> > >> > --Ibukun > > > > >>>__ > >>>Corey Donohoe > >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> > >>> > >>-- > >> | /*\ > >>Ibukun Olumuyiwa | \ / Join the ASCII Ribbon Campaign > >>http://xcomputerman.com| X against HTML mail today! > >> | / \ > >> > >> > >> > >> > >__ > >Corey Donohoe > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > >--- > >This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > >Welcome to geek heaven. > >http://thinkgeek.com/sf > >___ > >enlightenment-devel mailing list > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > > > > > > > > == > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended > solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. > All information is the view of the individual and not necessarily the > company. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that > any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication and its > attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in > error please notify: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > == __ Corey Donohoe [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This SF.net email is sponsored by:Crypto Challenge is now open! Get cracking and register here for some mind boggling fun and the chance of winning an Apple iPod: http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?thaw0031en ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: Re: Re: [E-devel] Background displays Weather
* Ibukun Olumuyiwa ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Thu 27 Feb 2003, Corey Donohoe wrote: > > * Ibukun Olumuyiwa ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > I'm thinking more of a generally programmable/customizable background > > > manager that can do much more than just rotate between a bunch of > > > static pictures, but actually do some animation, dynamic content etc. > > > (this sounds like some feature expansion for ebg). > > I thought that was what ebits2 would eventually do? No need to add it > > to ebg imo. =) > > Hmm, so ebits will be replacing ebg as well? If so it's a good thing, some > library convergence has been needed for some time anyway. The way raster described the keying structure of ebits2 a while back should make it relatively easy to embed one or more backgrounds into an ebits2 file. The current api calls for ebg shouldn't need modification, migrating from edb to whatever format ebits2 will use only really requires work in the load/save functions with a possibility of expanding ebg's really small api if it wanted backward compatability support(atleast until there was sufficient other stuff to constitute its abandonment). Eventually merge this functionality into ebits2. Then with your ebits2 builder thingie you say the background should be foo(a file on disk, a path in a ebits2 file, or somethin), I want it on layer n, it should be resized to w and h, and i want it at x,y. Dunno how raster would feel about all this, but that's kinda the way I had envisioned it. Ask not what ebits2 can do for you, but what you can do for ebits2! (sorry i couldn't help it) > > > > > > > > --Ibukun > > > > > __ > > Corey Donohoe > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- >| /*\ > Ibukun Olumuyiwa | \ / Join the ASCII Ribbon Campaign > http://xcomputerman.com| X against HTML mail today! >| / \ > > __ Corey Donohoe [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
